Re: Ericsson releases free cell-id lookup API
2009/11/3 jeanmatthew jeanmatthewjohns...@gmail.com: Is it very much different than the Google location API? Definately - It only gives you 1 cell position (latitude/longitude, is this the position of the cell tower?), a locality name and an accuracy measure in meters per API call. This is unlike the Google API where the whole locating operation can be considered server side and other attributes such as rxlevel and timing advance can be considered. So you would have to develop your own application to combine results from both serving and neighbour cells in a meaningful way (their example only tells you the serving cell location) and you still would not have rxlevel/timing advance information. All cell-id based positioning is done server side (unless you have the whole database in your device) Which is the intention of openbmap-locator Do you have any indication that Google is using rxlevels and timing advance? http://code.google.com/apis/gears/geolocation_network_protocol.html See the signal_strength and timing_advance specifications for more detail. Are there any devices that supports access to these measures? To do any kind of combination you still need to extract all of the data from the device and send to the server. Google doesn't have access to any kind of data from the network. Google Maps apps even on pre-android phones (Java Mobile Edition) have had access to cell-id via the various proprietary java interfaces (com.sonyericsson.net.cellid, net.rim.device.api.system.GPRSInfo.getCellInfo().getCellId() on the blackberry etc). These interfaces are what allowed the OpenCellID project to exist before the freerunner was released. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [wikireader] Images on the WR not so imposible :P [was [wikireader]Error on parsing the spanish wikipedia]
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 03:06, David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: An now some numbers the average image are 10kb so with the hypotesis than there are one image per article (yes I know there articles with more than a image but there a lot of articles without images) there will be about 3.000.000 images so 30Gb of images :P there are any 32Gb uSD cards out there? Can we run zlib and, wait-wait... libpng on the device? :) -- Alex ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ericsson releases free cell-id lookup API
Are there any devices that supports access to these measures? To do any kind of combination you still need to extract all of the data from the device and send to the server. Google doesn't have access to any kind of data from the network. Google Maps apps even on pre-android phones (Java Mobile Edition) have had access to cell-id via the various proprietary java interfaces (com.sonyericsson.net.cellid, net.rim.device.api.system.GPRSInfo.getCellInfo().getCellId() on the blackberry etc). These interfaces are what allowed the OpenCellID project to exist before the freerunner was released. But are there any devices that support the reading of signal_strength and timing_advance from all neighbouring cells so that these can be supplied in the request to the Geolocation Network API? The proprietary interfaces I have seen only supports the cell you are currently registered to and not the neighbours. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Ericsson-releases-free-cell-id-lookup-API-tp3869908p3937224.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Oh you were lucky! v0.01
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 12:36 AM, Pieter Colpaert freep...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I made a small (demo) script which asks for a string on a commandline, matches that string with a youtube video, and will play that video using mplayer. Framerate is not that high, but both video and sound are comprehensible. Please take a look here: http://code.google.com/p/oywl/ Please email me when you want to be added to the list of commiters and help out. I want to write a GUI for it that should become as usable as eldentica (maybe we should steal some code). When I got a little spare time this week I'll add this project to opkg. If someone else is into packaging, feel free to do so. Pieter Nice one Pieter! when I find the time I will surely try it out ! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [wikireader] Images on the WR not so imposible :P [was [wikireader]Error on parsing the spanish wikipedia]
hi, the wish is clear:), but the images on wikipedia are slightly problematic, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_download#Images_and_uploaded_files and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyrights#Non-free_materials_and_special_requirements on the other hand, see:): http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikix -Jörn David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote: 2009/10/31 Sean Moss-Pultz s...@openmoko.com: On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 4:22 PM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: Are you uploading this changes to git? can I take a look? Btw is there any plan to implement images rendering? Math (images) are on our roadmap. Hopefully before the end of this year. The screen is only 1bit. So anything else would look kinda funny. -Sean Well due I have clear than Internationalization and running other apps are totally posible and in fact it can be done without much hacking, I have spend some time investigating the posibility of include image other than maths on the device and I think is at least more closer than it can seems. I have find a process[1] I think it can be industrialized to transform any image of the wikipedia to one more or less good to the device is clear than we can expect a real time 3D zoomable render on the WR but I think results are quite promising Just some questions, is hard to do a image viewer able to scroll vertically as we do in text? Any good tutorial of scripting using gimp? An now some numbers the average image are 10kb so with the hypotesis than there are one image per article (yes I know there articles with more than a image but there a lot of articles without images) there will be about 3.000.000 images so 30Gb of images :P there are any 32Gb uSD cards out there? I have to do a more in depth analisis on how many images(meaningful) are there using the data on the dumps of wikipedia so we will see. [1]http://www.tuxbrain.com/en/content/images-wikireader-posible ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [wikireader] Images on the WR not so imposible :P [was [wikireader]Error on parsing the spanish wikipedia]
David Samblas Martinez wrote: 2009/10/31 Sean Moss-Pultz s...@openmoko.com: On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 4:22 PM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: Are you uploading this changes to git? can I take a look? Btw is there any plan to implement images rendering? Math (images) are on our roadmap. Hopefully before the end of this year. The screen is only 1bit. So anything else would look kinda funny. -Sean Well due I have clear than Internationalization and running other apps are totally posible and in fact it can be done without much hacking, I have spend some time investigating the posibility of include image other than maths on the device and I think is at least more closer than it can seems. I have find a process[1] I think it can be industrialized to transform any image of the wikipedia to one more or less good to the device is clear than we can expect a real time 3D zoomable render on the WR but I think results are quite promising Just some questions, is hard to do a image viewer able to scroll vertically as we do in text? Any good tutorial of scripting using gimp? An now some numbers the average image are 10kb so with the hypotesis than there are one image per article (yes I know there articles with more than a image but there a lot of articles without images) there will be about 3.000.000 images so 30Gb of images :P there are any 32Gb uSD cards out there? I have to do a more in depth analisis on how many images(meaningful) are there using the data on the dumps of wikipedia so we will see. [1]http://www.tuxbrain.com/en/content/images-wikireader-posible ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community This is an awasome idea David, but you have first to consider two things: 1- Not all English wikipedia images are under a cc license or similar. There're a lot of copyrighted images: logos, photograpsh, captured images from videogames... You've one warning in this wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_database#Images_and_uploaded_files 2- It's possible to automatically download all the wikipedia images using a program called wikix (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikix) but someone tried it back in 2007 and the result had a size of ¡¡407 gb!! (http://yousefourabi.com/blog/2007/10/download-all-wikipedia-images-with-wikix/). Then, the task of downloading all the images and convert them should be done with a very good machine or cluster. PS: I know that for spanish wikipedia copyrighted images are not allowed and we don't have the point 2 problem :P -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/wikireader-Images-on-the-WR-not-so-imposible-P-was-wikireader-Error-on-parsing-the-spanish-wikipedia-tp3935879p3937360.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [wikireader] Images on the WR not so imposible :P [was [wikireader]Error on parsing the spanish wikipedia]
2009/11/3 David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com An now some numbers the average image are 10kb so with the hypotesis than there are one image per article (yes I know there articles with more than a image but there a lot of articles without images) there will be about 3.000.000 images so 30Gb of images :P there are any 32Gb uSD cards out there? Your pbm files are not compressed. I've tried compressing one with gzip and it went down by 50%. If you use some smart image format you can probably go down much more. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [wikireader] Images on the WR not so imposible :P [was [wikireader]Error on parsing the spanish wikipedia]
On Tuesday 03 November 2009 09:46:44 Alexander Shulgin wrote: Can we run zlib and, wait-wait... libpng on the device? :) Good point! png compress 1 bit images a lot! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [wikireader] Images on the WR not so imposible :P [was [wikireader]Error on parsing the spanish wikipedia]
Davide wrote: On Tuesday 03 November 2009 09:46:44 Alexander Shulgin wrote: Can we run zlib and, wait-wait... libpng on the device? :) Good point! png compress 1 bit images a lot! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community You're right! One sample done with treshold tool in gimp and saved in png format: http://tinypic.com/r/mjs58m/4 -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/wikireader-Images-on-the-WR-not-so-imposible-P-was-wikireader-Error-on-parsing-the-spanish-wikipedia-tp3935879p3937629.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [wikireader] Images on the WR not so imposible :P [was [wikireader]Error on parsing the spanish wikipedia]
Regarding compression, I believe lzma is already builded in the wikireader application and it compress the images a 50%. enough for start I guess. but I have to recongnize than the image on png looks really good do maybe it worth the meaning to implemente it on the device if it's not much resource hungry Regarding licensing , well until OM or/and Wikipiedia doesn't say the contrary (for example considering Wikireader as an extension of the Wikipedia and allow all wikipedia image to be on Wikireader) we must stay in the save side so only explicitly free licenced images will be safe to use, I'm working on the http://download.wikimedia.org/enwiki/latest/enwiki-latest-image.sql.gz table to know how many pictures we are talking about. Also some way to not infringe the authoring and licencing text includings clauses must be used by the images viewer. but I guess it can be done by links to text as other wikipage more. Regarding machine needed to do so, due we just need at maximum of 240 pixel with we can tweak the Wikix to use the thumb url like this http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/HN_Pegasi_B.jpg/240px-HN_Pegasi_B.jpg instead of the full url http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/HN_Pegasi_B.jpg and this will save us a lot disk space and a step in the process :P Also Wikix must be tweaked to just download free licenced images using the info on the enwiki-latest-image.sql.gz file then sure we will save a lot more disk space. David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! 2009/11/3 David Garabana Barro da...@garabana.com: On Tuesday 03 November 2009 09:46:44 Alexander Shulgin wrote: Can we run zlib and, wait-wait... libpng on the device? :) Good point! png compress 1 bit images a lot! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [wikireader] Images on the WR not so imposible :P [was [wikireader]Error on parsing the spanish wikipedia]
On Tue, Nov 03, 2009 at 12:15:11PM +0100, David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote: Regarding licensing , well until OM or/and Wikipiedia doesn't say the contrary (for example considering Wikireader as an extension of the Wikipedia and allow all wikipedia image to be on Wikireader) we must stay in the save side so only explicitly free licenced images will be safe to use, I'm working on the http://download.wikimedia.org/enwiki/latest/enwiki-latest-image.sql.gz table to know how many pictures we are talking about. Also some way to not infringe the authoring and licencing text includings clauses must be used by the images viewer. but I guess it can be done by links to text as other wikipage more. The problem isn't so much about WikiMedia or OpenMoko, but that the original authors did not free the images. As such, whilst maybe they can be on Wikipedia, which is on a non-profit environment, distributing on the WikiReader (which is for-profit) may be legally problematic. If there's a way to automatically determine if the image is safe to copy (for instance, being licensed with a good CC license like by, by-sa) then it's doable. If not... it requires a lot of human filtering... Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Babiloo on Openmoko - Second milestone
Hi guys, I just release the second milestone of Babiloo, a offline dictionaries reader, for SHR. Please note that it works only with MrMoku SHR branch. Babiloo for Neo page: http://babiloo-project.org/wiki/index.php/Babiloo:Neo Ciao Luca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [wikireader] Images on the WR not so imposible :P [was [wikireader]Error on parsing the spanish wikipedia]
On Tuesday 03 November 2009 12:15:11 David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote: Regarding compression, I believe lzma is already builded in the wikireader application and it compress the images a 50%. enough for start I guess. but I have to recongnize than the image on png looks really good do maybe it worth the meaning to implemente it on the device if it's not much resource hungr Both png and pbm are 1 bit images without lossy compression. You can obtain exactly the same final image quality on both formats, but png will have smaller disk size. Final result only depends on RGB-1 bit indexed conversion method used. AFAIK png decompression is not resource hungry. Compression *IS*. PS For minimal png archive size, you *MUST* convert image to 1 bit indexed palette before saving it. If you use greyscale, RBG or more than 1 bit palette, png will waste space saving palette or RBG/greyscale info. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Babiloo on Openmoko - Second milestone
On Tuesday 03 November 2009 12:47:31 Vaudano Luca wrote: Hi guys, I just release the second milestone of Babiloo, a offline dictionaries reader, for SHR. WOW According to data on wiki, performance improvements seems HUGE! Thanks for this (very) useful program! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [wikireader] Images on the WR not so imposible :P [was [wikireader]Error on parsing the spanish wikipedia]
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Tue, Nov 03, 2009 at 12:15:11PM +0100, David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote: Also some way to not infringe the authoring and licencing text includings clauses must be used by the images viewer. but I guess it can be done by links to text as other wikipage more. The problem isn't so much about WikiMedia or OpenMoko, but that the original authors did not free the images. As such, whilst maybe they can be on Wikipedia, which is on a non-profit environment, distributing on the WikiReader (which is for-profit) may be legally problematic. I'm not sure if this is a desired workflow. But I don't think whis will be a problem if everybody builds his own wikireder offline database. Meaning, Wikireader ships and maintains a database with all safe content. And if you like more you do it yourself. PS: I think it would be a good idea to only use pics with low dnamic in the first place. There is no use to have a van Gough on a 1bit low res screen. But having maps, flags, schematics and other low dynamic stuff makes total sense. I especially think about the huge amount of svg content. I imagine, that this can be fairly easily detected. (Maybe just simply by compression factor) PPS: Apropos SVG. I guess we can keep them as some kind of vector format to save space. PPPS: We need a mailinglist Tilman ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [wikireader] Images on the WR not so imposible :P [was [wikireader]Error on parsing the spanish wikipedia]
David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! 2009/11/3 David Garabana Barro da...@garabana.com: On Tuesday 03 November 2009 12:15:11 David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote: Regarding compression, I believe lzma is already builded in the wikireader application and it compress the images a 50%. enough for start I guess. but I have to recongnize than the image on png looks really good do maybe it worth the meaning to implemente it on the device if it's not much resource hungr Both png and pbm are 1 bit images without lossy compression. You can obtain exactly the same final image quality on both formats, but png will have smaller disk size. As I said lzma compresed pbm files are about the same size like a png file so if same results can be achieved, I vote for stay on what's already implemented And seems this way isi commpressed a litte bit more I see the sample png file is 4263 bytes and the same pmb+lzma is about 2937 (sucotronic please can you email me with the name of treshold tool in spanish and post the values you chose if any?) Final result only depends on RGB-1 bit indexed conversion method used. AFAIK png decompression is not resource hungry. Compression *IS*. well compresion is done on host so no problem on this side, in fact WR is decompresing huge amount of text in lzma quite fast so a tiny file of 2-4Kb will be no problem PS For minimal png archive size, you *MUST* convert image to 1 bit indexed palette before saving it. If you use greyscale, RBG or more than 1 bit palette, png will waste space saving palette or RBG/greyscale info. totally agree :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Babiloo on Openmoko - Second milestone
Thanks for the feedback Yeah I made some tuning on the dictionaries engine... the other guys didn't pay a lot of attention on it because they only test it on the desktop. From 1 second to 4 seconds it is fine for the desktop application but from 7 seconds to 76 secs is a hell for our openmoko! :) On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 1:01 PM, David Garabana Barro da...@garabana.com wrote: On Tuesday 03 November 2009 12:47:31 Vaudano Luca wrote: Hi guys, I just release the second milestone of Babiloo, a offline dictionaries reader, for SHR. WOW According to data on wiki, performance improvements seems HUGE! Thanks for this (very) useful program! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [wikireader] Images on the WR not so imposible :P [was [wikireader]Error on parsing the spanish wikipedia]
I'm not sure if this is a desired workflow. But I don't think whis will be a problem if everybody builds his own wikireder offline database. Meaning, Wikireader ships and maintains a database with all safe content. And if you like more you do it yourself. If the viewer is already implemented you parse/render the whole Wikipedia to include the images links already rip off in the official version with a --include-non-free option in make or a unnoficial patch to avoid this filtering..., It seems a great idea to me. then is up the (advanced)user to include this image or not and he is not taking any more profit than enjoying the images . I think is a good aproach for the licencing issue. PS: I think it would be a good idea to only use pics with low dnamic in the first place. There is no use to have a van Gough on a 1bit low res screen. I not agree with this, is clear than you cannot appreciate the subtle mastering of colors or the smart use of lights in a 1 bit color depth 240px width image :P but you can see How it looks like and in WR for me is far from enough, But having maps, flags, schematics and other low dynamic stuff makes total sense. I see the flags more problematic than van Gough ... a lot of them relies on colors to diferentiate each other so italian,french,irish, and all the miriad trhee vertical colors flags will be very hard differentiable I especially think about the huge amount of svg content. I imagine, that this can be fairly easily detected. (Maybe just simply by compression factor) or by his extension :P PPS: Apropos SVG. I guess we can keep them as some kind of vector format to save space. With the sizes we are talking abuout (3-4Kb once compressed), rarely a svg will be smaller than this, and I think reder a vector image is more resouce hungry than just a plain bitmap, but if the device can hold it it can be awesome as map viewer :) PPPS: We need a mailinglist Meanwhile people tag the topic I feel confortable in the OM list for a OM device Tilman ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [wikireader] Images on the WR not so imposible :P [was [wikireader]Error on parsing the spanish wikipedia]
David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote: But having maps, flags, schematics and other low dynamic stuff makes total sense. I see the flags more problematic than van Gough ... a lot of them relies on colors to diferentiate each other so italian,french,irish, and all the miriad trhee vertical colors flags will be very hard differentiable You see that effect on cheap newspaper prints. They have fairly large 1bit pixels. It works good enough. It's ugly for pictures. But very well for diagrams or anything like that. You won't have absolute colours but that still works well. PPS: Apropos SVG. I guess we can keep them as some kind of vector format to save space. With the sizes we are talking abuout (3-4Kb once compressed), rarely a svg will be smaller than this, and I think reder a vector image is more resouce hungry than just a plain bitmap, but if the device can hold it it can be awesome as map viewer :) True. 1 bit images are probably smaller then vector graphics. What would be a miss could maybe 'scrolling' (Paging) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [wikireader] Images on the WR not so imposible :P [was [wikireader]Error on parsing the spanish wikipedia]
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 4:06 AM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: [snip] I have find a process[1] I think it can be industrialized to transform any image of the wikipedia to one more or less good to the device is clear than we can expect a real time 3D zoomable render on the WR but I think results are quite promising One option for such industrialization of images converting may be something like this onliner using ImageMagic convert infile.png -geometry 240 +dither -colors 2 -colorspace gray -contrast-stretch 0 -normalize outfile.pbm For reference see http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/quantize/ [snip] -- So long, and thanks for all the fish. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [wikireader] Images on the WR not so imposible :P [was [wikireader]Error on parsing the spanish wikipedia]
2009/11/3 Evgeniy Ginzburg nad@gmail.com On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 4:06 AM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: [snip] I have find a process[1] I think it can be industrialized to transform any image of the wikipedia to one more or less good to the device is clear than we can expect a real time 3D zoomable render on the WR but I think results are quite promising One option for such industrialization of images converting may be something like this onliner using ImageMagic convert infile.png -geometry 240 +dither -colors 2 -colorspace gray -contrast-stretch 0 -normalize outfile.pbm For reference see http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/quantize/ Ascii art could be nice too. And wouldn't require much hacking on the device side :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tangogps 0.9.8
On 2 Nov 2009, at 23:46, Robin Paulson wrote: 2009/11/2 Marcus Bauer marcus.ba...@gmail.com: I have currently no working OE here and there are now too many distribs. However, you can try the armel.deb. Just extract the tangogps binary from the .deb (do it on your desktop/laptop) and copy it to your Neo. .deb packages can be installed natively with opkg. you'll need to edit /etc/opkg/arch.conf, and add 'arch armel 36' (without the quotes) to the bottom then do wget http://www.tangogps.org/downloads/tangogps_0.9.8-1_armel.deb and opkg install tangogps_0.9.8-1_armel.deb I tried this but get an error saying: Enlightenment was unable to run the application tangogps. The application failed to start. Any other ideas. Or pointers as to how to package 0.9.8 for shr? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [wikireader] Images on the WR not so imposible :P [was [wikireader]Error on parsing the spanish wikipedia]
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:55 PM, Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fm wrote: 2009/11/3 Evgeniy Ginzburg nad@gmail.com On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 4:06 AM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: [snip] I have find a process[1] I think it can be industrialized to transform any image of the wikipedia to one more or less good to the device is clear than we can expect a real time 3D zoomable render on the WR but I think results are quite promising One option for such industrialization of images converting may be something like this onliner using ImageMagic convert infile.png -geometry 240 +dither -colors 2 -colorspace gray -contrast-stretch 0 -normalize outfile.pbm For reference see http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/quantize/ Ascii art could be nice too. And wouldn't require much hacking on the device side :-) I've just tried to view 240 pixel wide images in ASCII, cannot see nothing. Using .PBM let you see (in worst case) something. -- So long, and thanks for all the fish. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tangogps 0.9.8
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Niall Haslam ni...@sgenomics.org wrote: On 2 Nov 2009, at 23:46, Robin Paulson wrote: 2009/11/2 Marcus Bauer marcus.ba...@gmail.com: I have currently no working OE here and there are now too many distribs. However, you can try the armel.deb. Just extract the tangogps binary from the .deb (do it on your desktop/laptop) and copy it to your Neo. .deb packages can be installed natively with opkg. you'll need to edit /etc/opkg/arch.conf, and add 'arch armel 36' (without the quotes) to the bottom then do wget http://www.tangogps.org/downloads/tangogps_0.9.8-1_armel.deb and opkg install tangogps_0.9.8-1_armel.deb I tried this but get an error saying: Enlightenment was unable to run the application tangogps. The application failed to start. Any other ideas. Or pointers as to how to package 0.9.8 for shr? add a ticket in shr trac ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tangogps 0.9.8
On 11/3/09, Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Niall Haslam ni...@sgenomics.org wrote: On 2 Nov 2009, at 23:46, Robin Paulson wrote: 2009/11/2 Marcus Bauer marcus.ba...@gmail.com: I have currently no working OE here and there are now too many distribs. However, you can try the armel.deb. Just extract the tangogps binary from the .deb (do it on your desktop/laptop) and copy it to your Neo. .deb packages can be installed natively with opkg. you'll need to edit /etc/opkg/arch.conf, and add 'arch armel 36' (without the quotes) to the bottom then do wget http://www.tangogps.org/downloads/tangogps_0.9.8-1_armel.deb and opkg install tangogps_0.9.8-1_armel.deb I tried this but get an error saying: Enlightenment was unable to run the application tangogps. The application failed to start. Any other ideas. Or pointers as to how to package 0.9.8 for shr? add a ticket in shr trac I've just sent recipe for 0.9.8 to shr-devel. I'll try to build it soon. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tangogps 0.9.8
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/3/09, Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Niall Haslam ni...@sgenomics.org wrote: On 2 Nov 2009, at 23:46, Robin Paulson wrote: 2009/11/2 Marcus Bauer marcus.ba...@gmail.com: I have currently no working OE here and there are now too many distribs. However, you can try the armel.deb. Just extract the tangogps binary from the .deb (do it on your desktop/laptop) and copy it to your Neo. .deb packages can be installed natively with opkg. you'll need to edit /etc/opkg/arch.conf, and add 'arch armel 36' (without the quotes) to the bottom then do wget http://www.tangogps.org/downloads/tangogps_0.9.8-1_armel.deb and opkg install tangogps_0.9.8-1_armel.deb I tried this but get an error saying: Enlightenment was unable to run the application tangogps. The application failed to start. Any other ideas. Or pointers as to how to package 0.9.8 for shr? add a ticket in shr trac I've just sent recipe for 0.9.8 to shr-devel. I'll try to build it soon. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos Was the enlightenment error related to the libcurl issue discussed in this thread some mails before? If yes the solution described by Marcus should help for now. At least for me it did. I am using shr-u as well. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tangogps 0.9.8
On 3 Nov 2009, at 16:53, Michele Brocco wrote: On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/3/09, Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Niall Haslam ni...@sgenomics.org wrote: On 2 Nov 2009, at 23:46, Robin Paulson wrote: 2009/11/2 Marcus Bauer marcus.ba...@gmail.com: I have currently no working OE here and there are now too many distribs. However, you can try the armel.deb. Just extract the tangogps binary from the .deb (do it on your desktop/laptop) and copy it to your Neo. .deb packages can be installed natively with opkg. you'll need to edit /etc/opkg/arch.conf, and add 'arch armel 36' (without the quotes) to the bottom then do wget http://www.tangogps.org/downloads/tangogps_0.9.8-1_armel.deb and opkg install tangogps_0.9.8-1_armel.deb I tried this but get an error saying: Enlightenment was unable to run the application tangogps. The application failed to start. Any other ideas. Or pointers as to how to package 0.9.8 for shr? add a ticket in shr trac I've just sent recipe for 0.9.8 to shr-devel. I'll try to build it soon. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos Was the enlightenment error related to the libcurl issue discussed in this thread some mails before? If yes the solution described by Marcus should help for now. At least for me it did. I am using shr-u as well. Yeah - when I launched from the command line I got the same error as you. So enlightenment was just hiding the error. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tangogps 0.9.8
On 11/3/09, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/3/09, Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Niall Haslam ni...@sgenomics.org wrote: On 2 Nov 2009, at 23:46, Robin Paulson wrote: 2009/11/2 Marcus Bauer marcus.ba...@gmail.com: I have currently no working OE here and there are now too many distribs. However, you can try the armel.deb. Just extract the tangogps binary from the .deb (do it on your desktop/laptop) and copy it to your Neo. .deb packages can be installed natively with opkg. you'll need to edit /etc/opkg/arch.conf, and add 'arch armel 36' (without the quotes) to the bottom then do wget http://www.tangogps.org/downloads/tangogps_0.9.8-1_armel.deb and opkg install tangogps_0.9.8-1_armel.deb I tried this but get an error saying: Enlightenment was unable to run the application tangogps. The application failed to start. Any other ideas. Or pointers as to how to package 0.9.8 for shr? add a ticket in shr trac I've just sent recipe for 0.9.8 to shr-devel. I'll try to build it soon. tangogps 0.9.8-r0 is already in our tests/unstable feed :) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [wikireader] Images on the WR not so imposible :P [was [wikireader]Error on parsing the spanish wikipedia]
2009/11/3 Evgeniy Ginzburg nad@gmail.com: On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 4:06 AM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: [snip] I have find a process[1] I think it can be industrialized to transform any image of the wikipedia to one more or less good to the device is clear than we can expect a real time 3D zoomable render on the WR but I think results are quite promising One option for such industrialization of images converting may be something like this onliner using ImageMagic convert infile.png -geometry 240 +dither -colors 2 -colorspace gray -contrast-stretch 0 -normalize outfile.pbm For reference see http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/quantize/ [snip] -- So long, and thanks for all the fish. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community GIMP also alows to work with bactch process and scripting , I have to find how but I know it can, we will choose the option than better results will give David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Can my FreeRunner remind me to shut it down if it is still running at 22:00?
I never ended up configuring my FreeRunner to do anything automatically before I go to bed because there is no reason to do so: no one calls me during the night, and even if they did, I would probably sleep through it because I sleep through the cordless phone in my room ringing. Shutting down my Nokia 6103b before going to bed is practical because it boots in about 5 seconds, but I try to always keep my FreeRunner charged because it takes so much longer to boot (using QtMoko v11 installed in the onboard NAND). While I am at home, I leave my FreeRunner connected to my PC via USB to charge, so it is easier to leave my FreeRunner suspended while I sleep than shut it down before going to bed and boot it again after I get up, which is usually still in the morning during the week, but often after noon on the weekend. ;) Incidentally, I noticed Alishams Hassam (Ali) replied in this thread before I was introduced to him by his reply to my thread “OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interests and personality /in person/?”, which I started on 2009-09-10. I have met Alishams twice in Vancouver and chatted with him on the phone (on our US FreeRunners. We both even use the same carrier: Fido.); I like him so far. I hope we can become closer friends. :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tangogps 0.9.8
SHR version (mrmoku/unstable feed) segfaults for me, on try to download map (4 levels): tile_data: http://tile.openstreetmap.org/16/37796/21088.png|/home/root/Maps/OSM/16/37796/21088.png|/home/root/Maps/OSM/16/37796/ URL: http://tile.openstreetmap.org/16/37796/21088.png FILE: /home/root/Maps/OSM/16/37796/21088.png DIR: /home/root/Maps/OSM/16/37796/ *** timer_tile_download(): ** expose event 0 0 455 455 map_scale_indicator(): lat 0.939628 = lat_m 1.119339 DISTANCE: acos(1.00), ll1: 0.939628, -3.141593 -- ll2: 0.939628, -3.140394 *** timer_tile_download(): *** timer_tile_download(): *** timer_tile_download(): *** timer_tile_download(): Segmentation fault ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[SHR-U] NumberX - a mathematical puzzle game
Hi, I'm proud to announce the first release of NumberX. NumberX is a mathematical puzzle game that will challenge your mental math abilities! Four random numbers, between 1 and 9, you are given and you must put them all together using the basic arithmetic operators in such a way as to arrive at a given target random number. Every puzzle has a solution. The difficulty of the puzzles varies, some are easy and others are much more difficult! It's written in Python / Elementary. NumberX is tested on SHR unstable only. Normally, it should run on any system with a revision of python-elementary equal or greater to 40756. Homepage : http://code.google.com/p/numberx/ Package : http://numberx.googlecode.com/files/numberx_1.0.0-r0_all.ipk Happy puzzles, -- Valéry ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Some questions about android on Freerunner
no, the page you can't access only contains software ... to use android on freerunner, you only need content from that page : Index of /android Hi Dehqan, If this reply did not help you, try to post your question on the project mailing list: http://groups.google.com/group/android-on-freerunner In case you have issues posting to the list, just let me know and I'll try to help you where I can. Niels. Access to this page is forbidden from server to iranians . To installing and using android on Freerunner do we need that address content ? but android.com is open for us . by and large can we use android legally ? _ Hebben jij en je vrienden leuke foto's van jullie feestje? Maak een groepsalbum en geniet nog extra na. http://www.microsoft.com/belux/nl/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Wikireader] Linux
Hi! My wikireader is still in path to me, but may be some people have it already, and/or Openmoko(company) can help me with investigating next thing: Linux on Wikireader According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiReader , it have enough RAM, CPU, ROM; no mmu - no problem with uclibc. Also I find: that some axLinux have S1C33 support http://www.arm.com/community/display_product/rw/ProductId/2906/ http://www.axlinux.net/english/ So, is it possible? (linux on wikireader), did someone tried it? I know it might be useless, but.. who cares? :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Help with alsa states
Hi, guys I figured out the setting for my music, I set the pcm, bass etc levels while using intone with my headsets. when ever I pause and resume I believe is changes sound states. So which file does is take to restore , I tried replacing /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/stereoout.state , headsetout.state, gsmspeakerout.state, gsmhandset.state and gsmheadset.state. But it does not load any of these, I can see it in the alsamixer if any change has taken place, but I cannot get my settings back. can anyone guide me where to look for these config files ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some questions about android on Freerunner
no, the page you can't access only contains software ... to use android on freerunner, you only need content from that page : Index of /android http://panicking.kicks-ass.org/download/ -- Gand' On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:31 PM, a dehqan dehqa...@gmail.com wrote: In The Name Of God The compassionate merciful Good day everyone ; Access to this page http://code.google.com/ is forbidden from server to iranians . To installing and using android on Freerunner do we need that address content ? but android.com is open for us . by and large can we use android legally ? Regards dehqan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Help with google apps for Neo Freerunner
Hi guys can I record my lcd data as show in this video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2S2rQUETwc ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Hi ho do I record my display into a file or over usb...
Hi guys can I record my lcd data as show in this video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2S2rQUETwc sorry for the last mail, my browser filled in the subject, mybad ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Ideal screen rotation
Having just written an automatic screen rotation program (like omnewrotate), I'm now wondering about the best way of using it, so that everything Just Works the way that it should. In particular, I've realized now that - for many apps there is a preferred orientation (e.g. zhone and hex-a-hop), and the best thing is to rotate the screen to what is best for each app, regardless of how the phone is being held - for some apps you definitely don't want the screen to be rotated underneath them, e.g. mokomaze - for the apps where autorotation makes sense, you want the control to be easily accessible - certainly a lot easier than switching back to the launcher or an xterm and doing something there :-) Have others already thought about this and devised solutions? I think a good solution might involve the window manager - since the window manager knows which app is at the front of the screen and so could rotate the screen correctly for it (including enabling autorotation for the apps where that makes sense). Alternatively - at least for e17 - an easily accessible gadget in the top shelf could make it very simple to choose a specific orientation and to enable and disable autorotation. Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Some questions about android on Freerunner
In The Name Of God The compassionate merciful Good day everyone ; Access to this page http://code.google.com/ is forbidden from server to iranians . To installing and using android on Freerunner do we need that address content ? but android.com is open for us . by and large can we use android legally ? Regards dehqan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tangogps 0.9.8
Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau maxpose...@gmail.com writes: SHR version (mrmoku/unstable feed) segfaults for me, on try to download map (4 levels): [...] *** timer_tile_download(): *** timer_tile_download(): *** timer_tile_download(): *** timer_tile_download(): Segmentation fault I'm seeing a segfault on line #370 of gps_functions.c (in set_label()); it seems to coincide with the end of map-download, in at least some configurations (I can reproduce it if I disable auto-download), so this may be what you're seeing: There's a buffer-overflow problem that results in the `label70' pointer being overwritten with what's supposed to be text-data (and ends up being a garbage pointer) because the `buffer' variable (actually named buffer :)) is not always big enough to hold the text that's being g_sprintf'd into it. As a quick hack, you can try just making the buffer bigger, but it may be a better solution to use g_strdup_printf() instead of g_sprintf() (and remembering to g_free() the resulting pointer when done with it, of course!). -- Don't be afraid to ask (λf.((λx.xx) (λr.f(rr. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some questions about android on Freerunner
In The Name Of God The compassionate merciful Good day everyone ; Thanks for your attentions ; no, the page you can't access only contains software ... to use android on freerunner, you only need content from that page : Index of /android http://panicking.kicks-ass.org/download/ -- Gand' Which softwares ? android softwares ? Do you mean we can not use android sofware ? Are contents of Index of /androidhttp://panicking.kicks-ass.org/download/made from those http://code.google.com/ code ? or there is not any relation between http://code.google.com/ and Index of /androidhttp://panicking.kicks-ass.org/download/? Regards dehqan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GPS application for QTExtended 4.4.3
Hello, I developed my own GPS application for QtExtended 4.4.3 on my Neo Freerunner. It use native Qt APIs and doesn't require X. It display maps from OpenStreetMap by default, but can also be configured to get them from Yahoo or VirtualEarth. I'm not sure for Google, I gave up trying for now. I will continue to maintain it for my personal usage. I have no idea if it may interest someone, but, if any interest, I released the package, the source code, and some documentation here: http://tvuillaume.free.fr/NeronGPS The User's Guide provide you with some screenshots and information about what the application is able to achieve. Unfortunately, pixmap drawing performances looks degraded on QtMoko (I tested with v14), impacting performances when moving in the map. This is much better on the original QtExtended 4.4.3. If anybody have an idea about where it may come from, and if something can be done to improve, I would be interested. Best Regards, Thierry ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[SHR] Build with openembedded
Dear all, I am trying to build shr image with openembedded but the git download step gets stuck at 17% or 18% in the make setup phase. Any hints what to do? On shr build page they mentioned a change in build steps will occur but can't find any info on the new steps. -- Shaz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS application for QTExtended 4.4.3
You are the MAN! On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 3:08 PM, tvuilla...@free.fr wrote: Hello, I developed my own GPS application for QtExtended 4.4.3 on my Neo Freerunner. It use native Qt APIs and doesn't require X. It display maps from OpenStreetMap by default, but can also be configured to get them from Yahoo or VirtualEarth. I'm not sure for Google, I gave up trying for now. I will continue to maintain it for my personal usage. I have no idea if it may interest someone, but, if any interest, I released the package, the source code, and some documentation here: http://tvuillaume.free.fr/NeronGPS The User's Guide provide you with some screenshots and information about what the application is able to achieve. Unfortunately, pixmap drawing performances looks degraded on QtMoko (I tested with v14), impacting performances when moving in the map. This is much better on the original QtExtended 4.4.3. If anybody have an idea about where it may come from, and if something can be done to improve, I would be interested. Best Regards, Thierry ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Best Regards HouYu Li, Karajan karajan_ii (at) hotmail.com karadog (at) gmail.com lihouyu (at) phpex.net PHP Developer Red Hat Certified Engineer Shanghai, China ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: kbosd, or fatfingereverything
-[ Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 02:53:02PM +0100, Michal Brzozowski ] Could you make an ipk for SHR too? Sory but life is too short for anything but debian :-) Probably you have git and gcc packaged as ipk ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: kbosd, or fatfingereverything
but the package libh1settings0 is missing in debian repository. How can I solve? Sorry, this package is specific to H:1. It's not stricly required, through, so I'm removing it from dependencies, and uploading a new package in a minute (will be : http://happyleptic.org/~rixed/kbosd_20091104_armel.deb ) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
