Re: Rutgers University writes malware for Freerunner
On 2/23/10, Michael Smith openm...@netapps.com.au wrote: Having your web browser run as root is very dangerous. I hope we fix that soon. -- Michael Smith +61 416 062 898 http://glitch.tl ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community It's not hard to run your browser on the neo as user. Though it should be made default. e.g. in SHR one could ask the user at first startup to create a user and then run the browser, piding and all those internet applications with the rights of this user. Jake ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: discharge the battery during the long charge (trigger very wide)
Yoric Kotchukov yori...@yandex.ru writes: POWER_SUPPLY_CAPACITY=83 POWER_SUPPLY_ONLINE=1 1/5 the charge is lost at the moment ((( That's a feature afaik. Look at the bug reports on similar issues. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OM future
Actually, I don't know, why everybody needs a phone. The community should aim at simple PDA with GPS, WiFi, BT and camera. This all is without any license fees and can be made to work. The phone is nice, but do you really need such a device, where you can navigate in car/outdoors and in the same time take a call? I will prefer a simple small commercial phone with other such device. If I drive in car, I don't need WiFi, just a GSP, if I'm outdoors, I need GSP, if I'm in restaurant, I need WiFi, if I'm in bus stop, I need BT to connect to my phone with GPSR. I need only one such a function at a time, but what I need always - is a phone. I want to call when I'm in a car, in a bus stop, in a restaurant, in a wood and I don't want to break my navigation, mailing, browsing every time I get a phone. A phone has wifi and GPS as a nice option, but to have separate device with all that functionality is much more usable. I'm using Neo as PDA without sim card. I'm glad how it works - in last update to xorg 7.5 the glamo works very well and fast. EFL is very fast on that, GTK is worse. We should aim at software now. The next step should be to make nice PDA device with GPS, WiFi and BT and with OLED display (LCD is out). Camera would be nice, but not needed. Forget the phone, it will be always problem for open source. There is not big problem in designing such a device. And also, it will have longer life then a phone. But - will there be enough people, who will buy it? It needs to manufacture thousands of units - so thousands of buyers. Will be? If yes, we can design such a device and I will be first, who will start to draw a schematic. We can create a phone as a next step in the future, but not now. This is a very bad idea. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/OM-future-tp4526699p4617760.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Rutgers University writes malware for Freerunner
Em 23-02-2010 08:23, Jakob escreveu: On 2/23/10, Michael Smith openm...@netapps.com.au wrote: Having your web browser run as root is very dangerous. I hope we fix that soon. -- Michael Smith +61 416 062 898 http://glitch.tl ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community It's not hard to run your browser on the neo as user. Though it should be made default. e.g. in SHR one could ask the user at first startup to create a user and then run the browser, piding and all those internet applications with the rights of this user. Everything should be run as the user. Using dbus should be enough for getting the priviledged stuff done at FSO level. Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Rutgers University writes malware for Freerunner
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org writes: Everything should be run as the user. Using dbus should be enough for getting the priviledged stuff done at FSO level. Note that running as a normal user might not limit your privileges that much on openmoko: #2321 any user can run wmiconfig -i eth0 --power maxperf http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2321 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Mic volume extremely soft after buzz fix with SHR unstable
On Tuesday 23 February 2010, Jan Girlich wrote: Am Dienstag, den 23.02.2010, 10:03 +0300 schrieb Vladimir Berezenko: В Пнд, 22/02/2010 в 16:00 +0100, Jan Girlich пишет: I'm afraid something might be gone wrong with my buzz fix. Had a look at it yesterday evening and noticed one of the soldering points is really weak. Maybe that could be a reason? Too little of a connection from the capacitor to the resistor? It might be that you have your mic dead. I've replaced my own because it came already dead. The symptoms were the same. You must cry loud to micro and on the other end someone hears you very silent. Any way to conclusively check if it's the mic? And how did you get it replaced? I wouldn't be able to do the soldering work myself. The short to ground at R4303 means that even with a working mic you will have little to no signal. You will need to get that fixed before you can test the mic. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Rutgers University writes malware for Freerunner
Am 22.02.2010 22:52, schrieb Andrew Stephen: http://www.technewsdaily.com/hacked-smartphones-could-be-used-to-spy-on-you-100222-0237/ --8-- The researchers say their intent is not to just scare people, but to inspire action. What we’re doing today is raising a warning flag, Iftode said. We’re showing that people with general computer proficiency can create rootkit malware for smart phones. The next step is to work on defenses. The team used an open-source smartphone called the Openmoko FreeRunner running Linux software, but they emphasized that with enough time and effort, any smartphone operating system can be attacked with malware. The Rutgers team plans to use their results to inspire developers to create new ways to detect and prevent rootkit attacks on smartphones because none exist right now. --8-- Pff - what a headline... Don't forget, we're talking unix here. Some folks with different OS in their smartphones should worry a bit more. I guess. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Rutgers University writes malware for Freerunner
On Tuesday 23 February 2010, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org writes: Everything should be run as the user. Using dbus should be enough for getting the priviledged stuff done at FSO level. Note that running as a normal user might not limit your privileges that much on openmoko: #2321 any user can run wmiconfig -i eth0 --power maxperf http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2321 It does make it harder to install a rootkit though, and without a rootkit the actions and the malware remain detectable. It has been noted before that most of the things we care about on a phone are things the user has to have access to. What we want is a permission system that limits access to resources by application, not just by user. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: discharge the battery during the long charge (trigger very wide)
On Tuesday 23 February 2010, Yoric Kotchukov wrote: Saluto! Linux neo 2.6.29-GTA02_qtmoko-v16-mokodev #1 PREEMPT Sun Dec 20 18:36:16 CET 2009 armv4tl GNU/Linux When you long to find a charger (usb/wall), FR A6 first gaining charge (CAPACITY = 100), then runs down a small current. After a half days: POWER_SUPPLY_STATUS=Not charging POWER_SUPPLY_HEALTH=Good POWER_SUPPLY_VOLTAGE_NOW=4027000 POWER_SUPPLY_CURRENT_NOW=9375 POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL=1163463 POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_NOW=970861 POWER_SUPPLY_TEMP=286 POWER_SUPPLY_TECHNOLOGY=Li-ion POWER_SUPPLY_PRESENT=1 POWER_SUPPLY_TIME_TO_EMPTY_NOW=391620 POWER_SUPPLY_TIME_TO_FULL_NOW=3932100 POWER_SUPPLY_CAPACITY=83 POWER_SUPPLY_ONLINE=1 1/5 the charge is lost at the moment ((( It's not a bug, it's a feature ;-) Seriously, it really is a feature. Holding LiIon batteries at 100% charge for extended periods degrades the battery. If we did that then you would soon have a battery that could only hold 80% (or less) of the charge that it could originally. Instead we let the battery discharge a bit, then top it up, which helps preserve the battery's ability to hold charge. The worst case is that you unplug the charger just before charging starts again. You still have ~80% of the original capacity, so runtime is no worse than with the battery damaged by holding at full charge. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Mcnavi maps and ipk
Hi guys, after the release of mcnavi - in which we're all really interested - i tought that it may be useful to share osm processed maps for mcnavi (since it took me some hour and some GBs to convert whole italy). So I made a project on sourceforge to collect the maps: https://sourceforge.net/projects/mcnavimaps/files/ (I had no idea how to share huge files in a good-fashioned way.) There you can find right now Italy and Belgium maps (thanks to Luca). If you're interested in sharing your maps contact me. I plan to release at least Italy every month. Now the second part... is there someone interested in building ipk packages of mcnavi : ? And obviously share his packages :P I have no experience on that... thanks d ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Jefliks Jabber-Client release
Thanks I'll give a try then feedback :) d On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.orgwrote: Em 17-02-2010 16:16, Davide Scaini escreveu: Yes i found that :) I tried with that sever, but it gives me IO Error 7 gmail wants ssl, my guess is that sasl is not ok (and tsl of course)... (i'm not an expert, not at all) so right now it does not work :) d Perhaps it will work if you apply this fix: http://code.google.com/p/elmdentica/wiki/httpsSupport Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OM future
Mike Crash wrote: Actually, I don't know, why everybody needs a phone. The community should aim at simple PDA with GPS, WiFi, BT and camera. This all is without any license fees and can be made to work. The phone is nice, but do you really need such a device, where you can navigate in car/outdoors and in the same time take a call? I will prefer a simple small commercial phone with other such device. If I drive in car, I don't need WiFi, just a GSP, if I'm outdoors, I need GSP, if I'm in restaurant, I need WiFi, if I'm in bus stop, I need BT to connect to my phone with GPSR. I need only one such a function at a time, but what I need always - is a phone. I want to call when I'm in a car, in a bus stop, in a restaurant, in a wood and I don't want to break my navigation, mailing, browsing every time I get a phone. A phone has wifi and GPS as a nice option, but to have separate device with all that functionality is much more usable. I'm using Neo as PDA without sim card. I'm glad how it works - in last update to xorg 7.5 the glamo works very well and fast. EFL is very fast on that, GTK is worse. We should aim at software now. The next step should be to make nice PDA device with GPS, WiFi and BT and with OLED display (LCD is out). Camera would be nice, but not needed. Forget the phone, it will be always problem for open source. There is not big problem in designing such a device. And also, it will have longer life then a phone. But - will there be enough people, who will buy it? It needs to manufacture thousands of units - so thousands of buyers. Will be? If yes, we can design such a device and I will be first, who will start to draw a schematic. We can create a phone as a next step in the future, but not now. This is a very bad idea. Don't really agree at all with this position. It appears to me to be pretty clear that as hardware improves more and more things now done on laptops will be done on handheld devices with phone/wifi/bluetooth/ir capabilities. Right now you can comfortably run a small business on your Neo. In future, such a device will have large memory, fast processing, low power consumption, better graphics and more applications. If anything, more sensors (weather, compass, software radio, broadcast signals, ir) would expand the use of the single device. I observe my kids, who pretty much do everything I use a laptop or desktop for on their phones. Theonly complaint is the phone is slow compared to the other machines. This will certainly become an artifact over the next few years. The Neo to me is the rough equivalent of a 2000 vintage laptop with significant improvements in capabilities. While I don't know if the openmoko crowd can make any progress on a next generation device, someone will make such progress, and I believe that is where the future of personal use computing will go. Improvements in human interface design are needed to make these things easier to use, but think of MSDOS and what we consider normal today. The same leap of technology will occur on these phone like devices. I also want to have to carry less techno-junk, not more. Its true that single purpose devices are easier to produce, but a pocket full of them weighs you down, requires you to learn more procedures for different devices, and you run out of plugs in the house for chargers. Iain F. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: RTC failure in January (was: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner)
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 06:04:02PM +, Neil Jerram wrote: 2010/1/24 Andy Poling a...@realbig.com: I finally looked into it, and this is the problem (with RTC debugging enabled): [...] Wow, what a fantastic bug! So, IIUC, it will only strike someone who upgraded in January from a kernel without Werner's change, to one with Werner's change - because the old kernel will have left a 0 value in pcf-time[PCF50606_TI_MONTH]. Amazing :-) Great investigation too. I'm really pleased that this is understood now and is going to be fixed. What about the attached patch to ease transition, and to get a working RTC before February? Regards, Neil Hi, what happened with this patch? My FR ran out of power, which resulted in a reset RTC. Now I can't set it back to current time, because of hwclock's read. -- Sebastian signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OM future
You talk something else than me. I didn't said anything about usage and development, only about the phone. Take a today phone and try to use it as GPS. In some hours you are out of battery, not very usable for a weekend in nature. You say, that Neo is like laptop in 2000? Nope, on laptop you can write documents, make programming etc. On neo you cannot. The small screen is very limited. Neo can be used as GPS, for access to internet (especially reading), book reading, as MP3 player etc. But not as mobile office. If you are clicker, yes, but for real work no. Also consider the open source community - it has not the power to take the lead. And no power to make really open phone. Not without any involvement of some big manufacturer. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/OM-future-tp4526699p4620887.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Rutgers University writes malware for Freerunner
On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 00:08 +0100, Petr Vanek wrote: as my middleware fails to bring up GSM interface 9 of 10 times lately, i guess i am pretty safe from any bad hackers' attacks! But what if you get attacked from wifi? I think we need help on security in openembedded(the build system SHR uses): *no security team and potentially outdated and vulnerable packages,but sometimes people fix security bugs... *On SHR and many default images root is the only user *I bet we have no selinux support but because of the previous issues it becomes irrelevant. Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Jefliks Jabber-Client release
Am Mittwoch 17 Februar 2010 schrieb Davide Scaini: IO Error 7 I have the same error. After some debugging with wireshark i filed a bug: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailaid=2956954group_id=302757atid=1276407 maybe this is also the origin of your error signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR Stable Party
As we build up to the SHR Stable renaming of SHR Testing and (hopefully) a number of SHR Stable parties across the world, I have been thinking about what all we can do to create more awareness about SHR (and FSO) among embeded developers as well as users. Three ideas have come to me (as in within the last miniute so please excuse if they are not developed properly) 1) We need to create press releases that we can emai/ mail/ fax to our local (or global for that matter) tech media outlets. Actually I am thinking of 2 sets of press releases. One for the various developer communities who may be interested and one for the general public focuses media. The general public press release needs to give an idea of what SHR is, what it is trying to acheive,its benifits and usefullness etc with screen shots. The community announcement can be more technical and also acknowledge the core developers (if they agree). I see these going out to the tech editor of your local newspaper, tech blogging sites, news agencies, maybe some companies too along with the big tech news websites. If we all send these out in our own regions we may get some coverage 2) This weekend I am going to make a questionnaire for the SHR core team asking questions about the history of SHR (how it came to be, who were the key people in the begining etc), who all are working on it currently and what all are they contributing, what technologies and toolkits SHR uses and supports, Why SHR should be used, What are the future plans and new targeted platforms, What help do they need, What contributions the community can make etc. I will post the questionnaire on these mailing lists and maybe the SHR-devloper list too. Once the answers are there maybe some of you with bolgs can edit and make an article for your blogs/ for sending to magazines for publication. 3) If someone can make a small SHR user logo, the SHR users can put it on their blogs/ websites. Please send feedback and more ideas. Rakshat PS - Also add your names for the various SHR Stable parties http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_Party_Page On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:53 PM, rakshat hooja raks...@gmail.com wrote: As promised I have put together a very basic framework of the SHR Stable release party planning page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_Party_Page Please go through it and add your information/ improve it/ send feedback. Currently it is only linked from the SHR page on the OM wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR#SHR.2FStable_release_party Please let me know the other places it should be linked from (main SHR wiki?) Rakshat -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Mcnavi maps and ipk
I plan to write script which will generate the maps and upload it to gps-routes.info for download. Also it would be nice to package the maps as deb and make a regular updates via apt-get. I'm only waiting for fixing the bugs in osm2mcmap - so please be patient, there is much to do. You can download only the boundaries data, which may be usefull now. If you send me the IPK, i can add it to this site too. And - for download is new version with some bugs fixed and some new functionality. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Mcnavi-maps-and-ipk-tp4619065p4621513.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Rutgers University writes malware for Freerunner
Em 23-02-2010 18:42, GNUtoo escreveu: On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 00:08 +0100, Petr Vanek wrote: as my middleware fails to bring up GSM interface 9 of 10 times lately, i guess i am pretty safe from any bad hackers' attacks! But what if you get attacked from wifi? I think we need help on security in openembedded(the build system SHR uses): *no security team and potentially outdated and vulnerable packages,but sometimes people fix security bugs... *On SHR and many default images root is the only user *I bet we have no selinux support but because of the previous issues it becomes irrelevant. I'd like to help with that, if someone could introduce me to the right people. My technical background is on systems and firewalls administration at the portuguese payments network. Best, Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OM future
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Mike Crash m...@mikecrash.com wrote: Actually, I don't know, why everybody needs a phone. The community should aim at simple PDA with GPS, WiFi, BT and camera. This all is without any license Personally I don't talk on the phone a lot, but it's nice to have an always-on wireless network rather than having to find WiFi access points (which use encryption or require some kind of sign-in way too often anyway). I use my iPhone to google stuff a lot, even though it's only edge (pretty slow). Most of the time when I'm away from home I'd rather put up with the slow edge network than mess around with connecting to an AP, figuring out why it doesn't work, and then having it go away when I'm out of range. Of course it depends on how much you pay for your GSM and whether the limits are reasonable. But it's easy to imagine the future, that say 10 years from now the internet is mostly wireless and your devices are nearly always connected, with transparent roaming... no need to manually scan and connect to networks. That's how it needs to be for the best usability. So these comments that a PDA is good enough sound luddite to me, although they do follow the pattern than the open-source world is usually behind the curve, repeating what has been done rather than innovating. Personally I don't like carrying multiple devices either. I use an iPhone because it just works, does everything that can be done on either a PDA or a phone so far (except multitasking), and I can develop for it too. (Too bad it's so darn closed though.) Maybe the next OM device ought to be on one of the next-gen networks like WiMax or LTE. I have no idea what kind of hardware is required for that, but early on I didn't get the impression that WiMax was any more of a closed architecture than usual (e.g. there would be multiple radio suppliers, and the spec is obtainable). Or even invent a new, open network. That would be far-out (in both senses: very cool, and quite the project). GnuRadio provides a starting point. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OM future
Em 23-02-2010 18:41, Mike Crash escreveu: You talk something else than me. I didn't said anything about usage and development, only about the phone. Take a today phone and try to use it as GPS. In some hours you are out of battery, not very usable for a weekend in nature. I think that can be said of each and every computer with Neo's capabilities (or better). You say, that Neo is like laptop in 2000? Nope, on laptop you can write documents, make programming etc. On neo you cannot I beg your pardon? WRT typing: Neo doesn't have a keyboard (only on screen emulation). Get a laptop from 2000 without a keyboard or mouse. Neo can do more (you can type on the screen). Now add a bluetooth keyboard: suddenly you can type a lot better. The small screen is very limited. Yes and no. The advantage of being a nice GNU/Linux computer is that you get your normal applications. The advantage is, you get your normal applications but they are not thought for small screens. We need smaller UIs, I recently asked the AbiWord guys to promote a Google SoC Neo can be used as GPS, for access to internet (especially reading), book reading, as MP3 player etc. But not as mobile office. If you are clicker, yes, but for real work no. Also consider the open source community - it has not the power to take the lead. And no power to make really open phone. Not without any involvement of some big manufacturer. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OM future
Mike Crash wrote: You talk something else than me. I didn't said anything about usage and development, only about the phone. Take a today phone and try to use it as GPS. In some hours you are out of battery, not very usable for a weekend in nature. You say, that Neo is like laptop in 2000? Nope, on laptop you can write documents, make programming etc. On neo you cannot. The small screen is very limited. Neo can be used as GPS, for access to internet (especially reading), book reading, as MP3 player etc. But not as mobile office. If you are clicker, yes, but for real work no. Also consider the open source community - it has not the power to take the lead. And no power to make really open phone. Not without any involvement of some big manufacturer. Well, I make extensive use of the Neo via usb networking and X forwarding. You can program on it. I have a pretty good editor(s) on the Neo, and I mostly write script applications, so pretty well all development can be done right on the phone. The display and keyboard are non-issues with X forwarding. Cross compilation is faster than the Neo compilations, but even that works fine. I have a word processor on the Neo which I also use via X forwarding. There are lots of other apps available as well. Yes the power is a pain, but its a development box. Next generations will not have the power problems. I am thinking of the future, not the past. As to the powerless open source community, I wonder what Linus or Stallman would say to that? Actually, I don't care. You can always crack an HTC or a Nokia or a iPhone or an Android phone and install Linux. Perhaps Openmoko won't get anywhere, but someone will. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: RTC failure in January (was: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner)
On 23 February 2010 18:18, Sebastian Reichel elektra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, what happened with this patch? My FR ran out of power, which resulted in a reset RTC. Now I can't set it back to current time, because of hwclock's read. I wasn't able to test it myself, because I don't have a cross-compilation setup, and I never heard of anyone else trying it either. For me, the problem was actually solved by trying out SHR-T briefly - while still in January. Then when I switched back to Debian, the RTC was fine again. I remember thinking that I understood this at the time, but right now I can't remember the detailed explanation. In fact, if switching temporarily to another distro/kernel works for you (and for anyone else), that's probably better than having cruft like this patch in your ongoing kernel. Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR Stable Party
[Not copying shr-user because I'm not subscribed there and so my email will be bounced... But please feel free to add shr-user back again in any followups.] On 23 February 2010 19:26, rakshat hooja raks...@gmail.com wrote: As we build up to the SHR Stable renaming of SHR Testing and (hopefully) a number of SHR Stable parties across the world, I have been thinking about what all we can do to create more awareness about SHR (and FSO) among embeded developers as well as users. For me personally, the most effective demonstrations - and hence publicity - are good Youtube videos. So I would recommend SHR users to prepare some really slick ones, showing lots of different uses of the phone - and including for phone calls! :-) Then the best of those can be linked from any press releases. I think your other ideas are good too, but some slick, well produced videos would be great. Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR Stable Party
Awesome plan, Rakshat, thanks for your work! We're probably not doing enough PR in general -- next week I'll work on giving the FSO website a new couple of entry pages that document what we're after and why we're better than the competition ;) Cheers, :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: RTC failure in January (was: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner)
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 10:40:26PM +, Neil Jerram wrote: On 23 February 2010 18:18, Sebastian Reichel elektra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, what happened with this patch? My FR ran out of power, which resulted in a reset RTC. Now I can't set it back to current time, because of hwclock's read. I wasn't able to test it myself, because I don't have a cross-compilation setup, and I never heard of anyone else trying it either. For me, the problem was actually solved by trying out SHR-T briefly - while still in January. Then when I switched back to Debian, the RTC was fine again. I remember thinking that I understood this at the time, but right now I can't remember the detailed explanation. In fact, if switching temporarily to another distro/kernel works for you (and for anyone else), that's probably better than having cruft like this patch in your ongoing kernel. I just tried the patch and it seems to work. It will be included in the next Debian kernel. -- Sebastian signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: RTC failure in January (was: New significant speedups coming to FreeRunner)
On 23 February 2010 23:19, Sebastian Reichel elektra...@gmail.com wrote: I just tried the patch and it seems to work. It will be included in the next Debian kernel. OK, cool, thanks. (Wow, my first ever kernel patch!) Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko predictive keyboard weirdness
I know this reply is 2 months late, but better late than never, right? Anyway, have you tried using the Docked Keyboard? I use it; it suggests completions based on the letters of a word entered so far. I do not know if this is what you meant by “predictive keyboard”, but it is sufficient for me. I am still using QtMoko v14 but, AFAIK, the Docked Keyboard’s behaviour has not changed since I started using QtMoko at v11. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OM future
OK, but this is not what I mean. Also I talk about hardware, not software. The beginning of OM was because of FIC. We need a manufacturer, who can refund manufacturing of samples and the final fabrication. Also look at other devices and how many software there is for. There is a lot of software for Neo ported from desktop, but on Neo unusable. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/OM-future-tp4526699p4623910.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
