Re: gta02-core (was Re: OM future)
You can't just separate software from hardware. The fact is you can't have open software without hardware specs, so open soft and open hard comes close together. Go try to rebuild a kernel on a nokia open phone for instance, and see what part of the phone hardware still works. So what should we do ? a) crack open closed phones by reverse engeneering ? b) wait for a manufacturer to compromise its pot of gold by producing an open phone ? c) put our head in a bag and pretend an iphone or an android is open enough ? d) aim at building one collectively despite all the unbelievers trying to discourage the effort ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: gta02-core (was Re: OM future)
Am Samstag, den 27.02.2010, 10:46 +0100 schrieb ri...@happyleptic.org: You can't just separate software from hardware. The fact is you can't have open software without hardware specs, so open soft and open hard comes close together. Go try to rebuild a kernel on a nokia open phone for instance, and see what part of the phone hardware still works. So what should we do ? a) crack open closed phones by reverse engeneering ? b) wait for a manufacturer to compromise its pot of gold by producing an open phone ? c) put our head in a bag and pretend an iphone or an android is open enough ? d) aim at building one collectively despite all the unbelievers trying to discourage the effort ? a), b) and d) can be parallized; it's different tasks anyways. FSO will be ready for any whatever comes out of a), b), and d) :) Cheers, -- :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: gta02-core (was Re: OM future)
a) crack open closed phones by reverse engeneering ? b) wait for a manufacturer to compromise its pot of gold by producing an open phone ? c) put our head in a bag and pretend an iphone or an android is open enough ? d) aim at building one collectively despite all the unbelievers trying to discourage the effort ? d) And Mickey is right :-) Wolfgang On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 10:46:47AM +0100, ri...@happyleptic.org wrote: You can't just separate software from hardware. The fact is you can't have open software without hardware specs, so open soft and open hard comes close together. Go try to rebuild a kernel on a nokia open phone for instance, and see what part of the phone hardware still works. So what should we do ? a) crack open closed phones by reverse engeneering ? b) wait for a manufacturer to compromise its pot of gold by producing an open phone ? c) put our head in a bag and pretend an iphone or an android is open enough ? d) aim at building one collectively despite all the unbelievers trying to discourage the effort ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Rutgers University writes malware for Freerunner
On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 21:02 +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: I'd like to help with that, if someone could introduce me to the right people. I think that you need to send some patches or to shr-devel mailing list or to to openembedded-devel. I think you also may want to read the openembedded manual: http://docs.openembedded.org/usermanual/usermanual.html Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [PATCH] frameworkd battery status reporting
Hi Neil, can you point me to an example why this patch is necessary? On a related note, I think this code path is not in use since we moved to fsodeviced. -- :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Mcnavi maps and ipk
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Davide Scaini dsca...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, after the release of mcnavi - in which we're all really interested - i tought that it may be useful to share osm processed maps for mcnavi (since it took me some hour and some GBs to convert whole italy). So I made a project on sourceforge to collect the maps: https://sourceforge.net/projects/mcnavimaps/files/ (I had no idea how to share huge files in a good-fashioned way.) There you can find right now Italy and Belgium maps (thanks to Luca). If you're interested in sharing your maps contact me. I plan to release at least Italy every month. Now the second part... is there someone interested in building ipk packages of mcnavi : ? And obviously share his packages :P I have no experience on that... thanks d I added Croatia, Switzerland and Slovenia. Austria crashes :P Mike don't worry I process maps only when I'm bored and I want to ear my fan whistling :) d ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OM future
On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.comwrote: or get a nokia n900 (though my experience is that its a pile of junk - as i sit here now with my n900 having bricked itself spontaneously over a week ago, so i'm without a phone, 6000km from home, not to mention that windows 3.1 seems like a paragon of stability and solid performance compared to the n900 - the n900 would literally crash and restart the whole ui very few minutes or sooner at times, but it'd do this at least 5-10 times per day at a minimum). Well, I'm pretty late replying to this, since I've been so happily playing with my n900 that I haven't checked this list in a while. :-) There's apparently a HW/SW problem affecting a few n900s that cause very common reboots - they seem to have fixed it in the latest firmwarm - you can see the details in https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6334 Also - this has some advice on how to unbrick the n900 - http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Flash I tend to get reboots a few times a week, which is still more often than most people seem to, so I'm going to try flashing the new firmware this weekend. Even with the reboots, I *love* my n900... It's not perfect, but coming from using my FR as my daily phone for a year - the n900 is fantastic!! Of course, maybe there will be even better options available soon! ;-) Warren -- Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist http://www.synergisticimages.ca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Problems with NWA
Nicola Mfb nicola@gmail.com writes: On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Ben Thompson b...@york.ac.uk wrote: [...] I think this is a different bug. It happens occasionally with me too, but it was also there with the old QT libs. Niko - are you aware of this problem? If you are talking about complete system freeze it happens to mee too sometimes and is related to weak wifi kernel drivers. If you are lucky and have an open ssh connection with usb you should see the oops with dmesg, after that the reboot command itself seg faults. I guess we can and should fix oops especially if they force one to fully reboot, is that reported somewhere? -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [PATCH] frameworkd battery status reporting
On 27 February 2010 12:29, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de wrote: Hi Neil, Hi Mickey, Thanks for taking a look at this... can you point me to an example why this patch is necessary? Isn't that covered by the quoted section of my previous email? In summary, after installing the non-debug kernel, my openmoko-panel-plugin no longer showed the battery charging status correctly. On a related note, I think this code path is not in use since we moved to fsodeviced. Ah, good, that sounds like a likely explanation for why no one else has reported this. I'm sure that SHR is using fsodeviced, and it may also be the default now for new Debian installs. So I'll try switching to fsodeviced too; if that solves the problem, I agree that it's probably not worth changing the old Python code. Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian] new kernel package
' Apart from factoring out those modules, is the new kernel improved in some way? And is it built without the debug settings? It's the latest upstream andy-tracking, mostly meaning that if compared to July snapshot Bluetooth, GPS etc. should handle suspend better among else. Debug is disabled. WLAN should work, but because of the debug being disabled one usually hits this bug quite soon: I just tried it and the boot fails with unable to mount rootfs on unknown block. My Debian / partition is on the NAND, if it matters. Any idea what might be the problem? Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Rutgers University writes malware for Freerunner
It's not hard to run your browser on the neo as user. Though it should be made default. It is the default if you install Debian on your Freerunner, Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [PATCH] frameworkd battery status reporting
On 27 February 2010 19:04, Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.com wrote: So I'll try switching to fsodeviced too; if that solves the problem, I agree that it's probably not worth changing the old Python code. Well, the Debian version of fsodeviced seems not to work straightforwardly yet. It dates from 10th Jan and appears not to provide the GetPower method of org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerControl, and the GetInfo method of org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply. Also, FWIW, with fsodeviced instead of odeviced, and with notification-daemon installed, I get lots of spurious notification popups about resource state changes (when nothing is really changing). So, I'm going back to odeviced for now, but will try fsodeviced again after it's been updated. Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
