Re: [ANNOUNCE] qi-bootmenu-0.2
Dnia 2010-10-06, śro o godzinie 21:55 +0200, Marc Andre Tanner pisze: Hi, I finally had some time to hack on qi-bootmenu the result is a new 0.2 release [cut] Great! Shouldn't it also go to annou...@lists.openmoko.org -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANNOUNCE] qi-bootmenu-0.2
Hi, I finally had some time to hack on qi-bootmenu the result is a new 0.2 release http://www.brain-dump.org/projects/qi-bootmenu/ with the following changes: - based on 2.6.34 this should hopefully fix some sd card related problems - static NAND boot option in the menu, the NAND partition is only mounted upon selection so there is no delay for sd based boots. To make NAND booting work out of the box it would be nice if the distros (I tried SHR and QtMoko) could add their kernels to the jffs2 images too. At the moment you have to ssh into the device mount the NAND partition, download their kernel and put it at the right place. Something along the lines of: ssh r...@$freerunner # the password is empty mkdir /mnt/mtdblock6 mount -t jffs2 /dev/mtdblock6 /mnt/mtdblock6 mkdir /mnt/mtdblock6/boot cd /mnt/mtdblock6/boot wget $KERNEL mv $KERNEL uImage-GTA02.bin Bonus points if the distros would place a bootlogo.png alongside the kernel (current preferred dimension is 100x80) - visual feedback upon boot selection. There seems to be a issue which ocassionally garbles parts of the font/text but I think it's better than before. - userspace updated to latest versions including EFL 1.0 beta release - integration of a cross toolchain into the build scripts. this should make rebuilding everything a matter of executing one shell script. Well at least in theory... Kernel and Qi ready to flash to your Freerunner can be found at: http://www.brain-dump.org/projects/qi-bootmenu/uImage-GTA02-bootmenu-0.2.bin http://www.brain-dump.org/projects/qi-bootmenu/qi-s3c2442-bootmenu-0.1.udfu If you flash the above Qi version, pressing AUX should boot from NAND and thus present the bootmenu independently of the content of your sd card. If you don't want to use my patched Qi then get it to boot from NAND in some other way, for example by putting noboot-GTA02 files into your sd partitions. Let me know how it works for you. The build scripts, in case anyone wants to rebuild the whole thing, can be found at: http://repo.or.cz/w/qi-bootmenu-system.git/snapshot/7c3a92f22e9498198212e4682b2fe078a676f1b5.tar.gz download and extract the tarball then run ./build.sh this will download everything that is needed and then build the kernel + initramfs. See the README file for further information. What remains to be done is - add ubifs support - read partition labels? or some other way to display custom text in the menu - gta01 support, this basically means kernel support in = 2.6.34 the kernel maximum size of 2MB including the initramfs should be doable - ... Patches welcome. Have fun, Marc Thanks. __ Do You Yahoo!? Poco spazio e tanto spam? Yahoo! Mail ti protegge dallo spam e ti da tanto spazio gratuito per i tuoi file e i messaggi http://mail.yahoo.it ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: wiki.openmoko.org unreachable?
On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 00:41:29 +0200 urodelo urodelomuta...@yahoo.com mentioned: Yes, at least since 15.00 (6th October) o'clock I couldn't connect to it. Same here. Anyone knows what happened to it? -- Stanislav Sedov ST4096-RIPE pgpYZQAbkYwee.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Phone Project (MiniMoko) : Which functionalities ?
Le 06/10/2010 17:18, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra a écrit : Em 06-10-2010 13:41, Thomas HOCEDEZ escreveu: * 480x320 3.5 capacitive touchscreen A phone is the perfect size to integrate: * personal communication (phone, IM, social network) * always present camera (still or moving pictures) * computational needs (ssh somewhere, do stuff) * run useful programs (like email, web browser, games, other apps) For these to run well in a phone you need at least 480x800. The Freerunner's 480x640 is definitly too small for most web browsing. If I go one step further in size, I'm talking about tablets: From personal experience with a SmartQ7 (now sadly broken), I attest the following: 480x800 is *not* enough for displaying a more complex document properly (eg, a PDF with readable text and pleasently displayed), you need a bigger screensize. So when you consider such small resolutions... it's definitely not for me. I'll have to agree with you. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANNOUNCE] qi-bootmenu-0.2
On Miércoles, 6 de Octubre de 2010 21:55:44 Marc Andre Tanner escribió: Hi, I finally had some time to hack on qi-bootmenu the result is a new 0.2 release http://www.brain-dump.org/projects/qi-bootmenu/ Only a question Does the modified Qi includes 242 glamo timings patch? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANNOUNCE] qi-bootmenu-0.2
On Miércoles, 6 de Octubre de 2010 21:55:44 Marc Andre Tanner escribió: Hi, I finally had some time to hack on qi-bootmenu the result is a new 0.2 release Thanks a lot for the new release BTW :o) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Phone Project (MiniMoko) : Which functionalities ?
On 06/10/2010 16:31, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Thomas HOCEDEZthomas.hoce...@free.fr writes: There's nothing much to improve, nothing to remove, just adding GSM/3G chip. Nikolaus Schaller pointed the OPTION GTM501, which is a brilliant little chip ! And if we use the same one, the porting of distros/software will be easier from one machine to another. I read http://www.option.com/en/products/products/modules/gtm501/specifications/#start that promises Fully documented APIs. Do you have access to these documents? This is the chip used for the GTA04, but I'm not working on it. I can ask the ones involved in the project if you want. (or find Dr Nikolaus Schaller on this ML) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Phone Project (MiniMoko) : Which functionalities ?
On 06/10/2010 17:17, Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau wrote: On 10/6/10, Thomas HOCEDEZthomas.hoce...@free.fr wrote: So, the first question is : What to add for this project being interresting ? Those will be minimal functions (forget Wimax, 4G, coffe machines or color printer ...). As for me I just want Voice Calls/SMS and thats all. Even gprs/3G not important, because I can attach separate dongle inside smartbook itself. Similar about GPS. Quality of FR's GPS was much worse than in separate devices, GPS inside MID might be even worse than in FR, implement nice GPS signal in MID could be very hard task. I'll prefer use separate GPS dongle. -- So you wan the ability to plug some dongles on it ...? Second question : Debian is able to run on such a device, but does developpers of other distributions can tell if it would be possible to port their on it ? MID is very similar to n900, we can say that SHR already supports it, similar for all others distros which supports BeagleBoard. Touchbook now supported by many OS'es. So it is a question which distros have FSO support. Andoid also could be a option, especially if AI's multi-OS support works nice. -- And an OS that is commercialy vendor is mandatory for the merketing plan. Maksim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Phone Project (MiniMoko) : Which functionalities ?
On 10/7/10, Thomas HOCEDEZ thomas.hoce...@free.fr wrote: Similar about GPS. Quality of FR's GPS was much worse than in separate devices, GPS inside MID might be even worse than in FR, implement nice GPS signal in MID could be very hard task. I'll prefer use separate GPS dongle. So you wan the ability to plug some dongles on it ...? I might be was misunderstood, I see on MiniBook as *part of* Smartbook, and Smartbook already have a lot of space inside[1] where I can I attach usb dongles, I don't want attach anything in MiniBook. MiniBook for me, just should be able make calls. All other staff can be attached to Smartbook tablet part. [1] http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/Smart_Book_top_part ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: community Digest, Vol 204, Issue 8
Hi Gennady, I'm proud of your answer. My idea for the future is based on the FR story. Building a device, that should be sold used immediatly after opening the box (not 2 years after ;-) ). So the nobody person, with just an idea of FOSS (or not) will be taunted, and everyone like here too. That's why FR got those problems : OS lacks. The hardware is still good now, 3 or 4 years after which is ENORMOUS on this market. It has some 'marketing issues' : no camera, no Faceboob application, but it was the first. And we can compare it to a teenager, not knowing how to handle his body. So no credibility. Now we have Android that can be ported being used a the commercial argument. So the software won't be a problem for the customer. Then if we have enough power inside the beast to let developpers have fun with it, it would be a double win ! And as you said, the Community is there, and as clever as active, so, it won't be a problem to find answers more ideas of what to do. This project can represent a 'step 2' of the Freerunner/Free phone adventure, there is one big chance to do something this way, and I will do whatever I can to make it happen. AstHrO. On 06/10/2010 21:59, Gennady Kupava wrote: Hey, Paul, disagree with your idea about impossibility of commercial success of opensource device. Declaimer: all things below is just my opinion, which is formed mostly by reading community ml from time to time in past. It would be interesting to read where and why i am wrong. :) В Срд, 06/10/2010 в 22:31 +0400, Paul Fertser пишет: openm...@pulster.de (Christoph Pulster) writes: an intelligent marketing idea. My idea on the later is, to point the finger in the Apple direction and naming the evil by name. It already has at least 1 good idea, no other smartphones have - OS and hardware separation. On a related note, i think there's no commercial future with such a device. Openmoko proved that. Sorry, but openmoko proved only that it is really possible to make open phone. Too few interested people, really too few. Now imagine, linus tovalds wrote linux initially... alone. yeah. it wrote it while big DOSes, Solarises, BSDs, MacOSes, mimixes, already existed and were fully functional. Yeah, OS he did lack of all features, had no chances to compete with that big giants, it were complete crap. Were this 'too much people'? Despite Freerunner still being the only one. Bwware, big portion of critics below: Why freerunner commercially failed (is it truth at all btw?), my version: 1. People got scarified with tons of grave software bugs (WSOD, partition table corruption, sd card speed, graphical subsystem speed, overall FR speed, events/0, debug kernel, that just _i_ know). All this were fixable, What would happen if all this were fixed in a week after FR release? 2. People scarified by core openmoko's own _developers_ who declare various subsystems are 'outdated' (CPU) or 'wrong' (glamo), and did nice PR. And all this were not really true. HW is good enought to do many things. 3. Community managment may be much better. I am usure if openmoko had dedicated guy to spend all time managing community. I saw some mails from people who offer help, unanswered. Yes, may be some offers were funny, may be 50% of that people will do nothing, but other 50% may easily build excellent community and greatly help project. I guess this is main cause of 'few people'. 4. Team were too small to handle such huge innovative project as freerunner (completely new software stack, adapt linux from almost 0 to be usable on such multifunctional device) from almost 0 to commercial success in reasonable time. One man did qt/x11. Other man did whole kernel and bootloader. One more man did testing. Yeahhh. One more whole graphical subsystem. 5. Tons of hardware bugs on initial release. And knowing that all them were fixed... just proves that it were possible to fix that faster, with bigger team. 6. Openmoko's team fixed problems is complete weird way. They did one interface, found it has some problems and instead of fixing problems they used qt interface, then instead of fixing problems of qt they switched to fsoe17, which i bet, still has problems on it's own. Instead of careful calculation why their device is slow and how fast it should be, then solved boot speed problem with disabling logs. Instead of fixing grave issues they draw fancy boot pictures. Instead of fixing u-boot Qi were implemented. (just things _i_ noticed) 7. Raster need special mentioning. Being smart and very professional man, he thought only about his own project, refusing to optimize latest interface for FR, injecting myths about hw slowness (320x200, 16 bit graphics, glamo bus speed, etc) and injecting that myths in _smart way_. This scarified poor community even more. All this bad PR were magnified greatly by openess
Re: community Digest, Vol 204, Issue 8
On 06/10/2010 19:37, Christoph Pulster wrote: Once again my rants, Touchbook from A.I. is a piece of crap. Pointing with the stylus on the touchscreen and the device is bending back to the table. This problem was solved 20 years ago with Psion Series 3. Besides case has a ugly plastic touch and feel, very bad end-quality, unit is getting hot, is heavy, sliding in/out of docking is pain etc etc. I read a lot of reviews of TouchBook, and there is actually a problem on the device design. (the fact that the motherboard is on the screen might be one). But A.I. tried something, and they often came back with new versions. And here we are talking about the MiniBook, I didn't review for now. All in all, I see no reason to spend any effords in this way. What we need is a updated GTA02 (a mobile 100% FOSS device) and a intelligent marketing idea. My idea on the later is, to point the finger in the Apple direction and naming the evil by name. Considering ourselves on the light side of gadgets :-) I'm a pacifist in the heart, and I don't want to start battle against something. My philosophy is to build things, not destroying. If you kill something, you've got one thing less : If it's a friend, so bad, one friend lost, if it's an ennemy, one less to compare with you that your idea is better than his. We're not on the same level than Big A. We all know it. But if we can be the little annoying thing in its eye, why not ! When I see all the answers here, I think It worth to spend time energy. Everyone waits for it, and some of the readers are ready to give a hand. We inherited the FR community, and the community Work, we can't let such a chance letting go. And As you are here, Christoph, If this phone is build one day, would you agree to sell it ? Your point of view is really interresting I think. Thanks a lot, AstHrO Christoph ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: wiki.openmoko.org unreachable?
afaik the whole infrastructure is hosted by Hetzner sub yourserver which in turn is our wellknown openmoko central services alias roh and gismo. Looks like a misconfic in one of the boxes not routing correctly to one of the vhosts. I pinged roh about it signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: wiki.openmoko.org unreachable?
http://www.robtex.com/dns/wiki.openmoko.org.html#records No errors found. jo...@openmoko.org wrote afaik the whole infrastructure is hosted by Hetzner sub yourserver which in turn is our wellknown openmoko central services alias roh and gismo. Looks like a misconfic in one of the boxes not routing correctly to one of the vhosts. I pinged roh about it ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: wiki.openmoko.org unreachable?
hetzner moved irons. fs needed fsck and other service, after 2 years 'uptime' Central Services (aka roh, gismo) is taking care of it. ETA unknown yet. sorry for the inconvenience /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANNOUNCE] qi-bootmenu-0.2
David Garabana Barro schrieb: On Miércoles, 6 de Octubre de 2010 21:55:44 Marc Andre Tanner escribió: Hi, I finally had some time to hack on qi-bootmenu the result is a new 0.2 release http://www.brain-dump.org/projects/qi-bootmenu/ Only a question Does the modified Qi includes 242 glamo timings patch? No. It's the same as in the initial release (built sometime in February) I am not really up to date regarding the glamo timings, is it stable? What are the prefered settings? If you provide a patch I can add it. Or better yet someone should commit it to the openmoko git repository then I will pick it up 'automatically'. I only found: http://dos.openmoko.pl/overclock/ but it seems you can change the timings at runtime too. ./memwrite $((0x4808)) $((0x1380)) Marc -- Marc Andre Tanner http://www.brain-dump.org/ GPG key: CF7D56C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANNOUNCE] qi-bootmenu-0.2
On Jueves, 7 de Octubre de 2010 16:25:03 Marc Andre Tanner escribió: David Garabana Barro schrieb: Does the modified Qi includes 242 glamo timings patch? No. It's the same as in the initial release (built sometime in February) I am not really up to date regarding the glamo timings, is it stable? What are the prefered settings? If you provide a patch I can add it. Or better yet someone should commit it to the openmoko git repository then I will pick it up 'automatically'. I only found: http://dos.openmoko.pl/overclock/ but it seems you can change the timings at runtime too. ./memwrite $((0x4808)) $((0x1380)) Nop, it's no related with overclock (which is not stable for everyone). Glamo timings are totally stable, because they are simply put at the values the glamo documentation says they should be. More info: http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg60256.html Here you have uboot patch: http://www.bsdmn.com/openmoko/glamo/242/ And patched Qi: http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg60284.html As it's not overclocking, and speedup is noticeable, it would be great if you put it by default on your Qi. Thank you signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ANNOUNCE] qi-bootmenu-0.2
On Thursday 07 October 2010 16:25:03 Marc Andre Tanner wrote: No. It's the same as in the initial release (built sometime in February) I am not really up to date regarding the glamo timings, is it stable? What are the prefered settings? If you provide a patch I can add it. Or better yet someone should commit it to the openmoko git repository then I will pick it up 'automatically'. I am using it for 2 weeks now and it's stable. You can cherry pick commit from my repo: http://github.com/radekp/qi.git http://github.com/radekp/qi/commit/b214400c048857e0f2156028bcd7a16397094a7d Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: community Digest, Vol 204, Issue 8
Le 07/10/2010 14:42, Thomas HOCEDEZ a écrit : This project can represent a 'step 2' of the Freerunner/Free phone adventure, there is one big chance to do something this way, and I will do whatever I can to make it happen. AstHrO. +1 :) /Swap38 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
