Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
Am 21.10.2010 um 19:59 schrieb Alfa21: 2010-10...@19:06 David Lanzendörfer True, but they're available from many more suppliers than moko plastics! Shame there isn't a transreflective version though... I today recieved the plastic parts for a RepRap. So we can soon start to design and produce the case for new OpenMokos. Only barrier: We need an extruder and some kilogram of granule first... -_- lg leviathan you should try 3d print like this: http://www.printo3d.com/ (and many others sellers!) I have asked them for a quotation (using STL data). Independently of the resulting quality we have to expect that a single set of plastic parts costs more than a complete Freerunner... So it confirms (again) our observation that all rapid prototyping methods are too expensive. I.e. we have to get quantity, i.e. enough people who clearly want a (new) case. This is more about revitalizing this community, and creating new hype for completely free and open smartphones. Ideas? Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
Am 22.10.2010 um 02:17 schrieb Al Johnson: On Friday 22 October 2010, EdorFaus wrote: On 10/21/2010 07:59 PM, Alfa21 wrote: you should try 3d print like this: snip made in ABS which is a good plastic and up to 0.01 inches resolution Unfortunately, that's not quite good enough (different units). 0.01 inches = 0.254 mm, which is 2.54 times the required size: On 10/21/2010 07:32 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: the required precision (0.1 mm, 0.5 mm wall thickness, etc.) 0.1 mm is approximately 0.0039 inches. I have a question, though - is this precision required for making *any* well-working case design (due to the electronics etc.), or is it just for making more of the current case design? If it's the latter, it would be possible to create a new case design that would be easier to get manufactured... The electronics don't need much precision in the case design. Cases that clip together firmly and securely do need precision though, and that's true of the current design. An alternative design needing less precision is possible, especially if we accept things being screwed together. Generally yes. If we sacrifice quality, ergonomics, and size, we can find simpler and less expensive case constructions. One aspect to keep in mind for precision are the push-buttons (AUX and Power). The buttons [1] are specified for a Travel 0.3 mm +0.1 –0.2 mm. I.e. if we don't want that the buttons get stuck we come to this 0.1mm precision. We have experienced the same with the PCB design where the position of the buttons must be within these 0.1mm... The same is with mounting the display. If that is not precise enough, touch operation will be deteriorated. So if we reduce precision of the case production process, the buttons become larger and finally, the phone is more a brick than a handheld phone :) Personally, I am in favour of high-end high-quality design (like the iPhone) even if it costs money. But it should never cost freedom and independence... Nikolaus [1]: http://industrial.panasonic.com/www-data/pdf/ATV/ATVCE5.pdf ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
2010-10...@08:24 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller So if we reduce precision of the case production process, the buttons become larger and finally, the phone is more a brick than a handheld phone :) Personally, I am in favour of high-end high-quality design (like the iPhone) even if it costs money. I agree... but is 3d printing etc. just for prototypes or do you plan to use that also for the final product (with big volumes mass production)? I think 3d printing is ok only for the first case, to try also different shapes before but finalized to build the final and more precise mould. also I think a classic mould process is expensive just for small scales but for a mass production it's cheaper (on a single unit) and _faster_ than 3d print. and also it's more appealing to the eye of the final customer to see a smoth and higrade product. btw I think this is the really last step in the production process. by now imho it's more adequate to replace the current circuit board from our gta0x and eventually drill holes if you plan to add some different connector to the pcb (maybe a hdmi?) ;) -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Carrier in Belgium
Hi Atilla, I use t-mobile in holland and have good experience with them for GRPS and normal GSM calls. I had also a good experience in the USA with t-mobile, also with both GPRS and GSM calls. So you could give them a try. Kind regards, Ed PS i am in no way associated with t-mobile :-) On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 23:36 +0200, Atilla Filiz wrote: (sorry for the duplicate) Hi list I am moving to Belgium in a couple of weeks and will buy a(probably prepaid) line from there. Can anyone tell which company plays well with FR hardware? I had problems with Vodafone NL before(GSM OK but no GPRS) also with Globul BG and I don't want this to happen again. -- Atilla ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Carrier in Belgium
Hello Atilla, Welcome to Belgium ;-) I don't have a freerunner, only a Neo1973 model. Have always used Belgacom (telephone only, never tried GPRS) and never had troubles. AFAIK there are only 3 major players here: - proximus - base - mobistar See also (in dutch, sorry) http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM_%28communicatie%29#Belgi.C3.AB All the others 'rent' from them. Oh, and BTW, Belgium is not the cheapest of countries for telephone, so better look out for the tariffs. Regards, Marc On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Atilla Filiz atilla.fi...@gmail.comwrote: (sorry for the duplicate) Hi list I am moving to Belgium in a couple of weeks and will buy a(probably prepaid) line from there. Can anyone tell which company plays well with FR hardware? I had problems with Vodafone NL before(GSM OK but no GPRS) also with Globul BG and I don't want this to happen again. -- Atilla ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Carrier in Belgium
Hi ! I'm from Belgian but live in spain ... There is 3 main gsm operator in Belgium : - Proximus (Vodafone group) - Mobistar (france telecome) - Base - Proximus is the most powerfull and used by entreprise but the cost of the calls is hight - Mobistar was my choice, work fine with freerunner, less cost than Proximus good network - Base has a badder network than the others and is less used Than you have virtual operators. A friend of me is using simyo and is happy with it, it's really cheaper than others, don't know if it works with FR. Christophe 2010/10/22 Ed Kapitein e...@kapitein.org Hi Atilla, I use t-mobile in holland and have good experience with them for GRPS and normal GSM calls. I had also a good experience in the USA with t-mobile, also with both GPRS and GSM calls. So you could give them a try. Kind regards, Ed PS i am in no way associated with t-mobile :-) On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 23:36 +0200, Atilla Filiz wrote: (sorry for the duplicate) Hi list I am moving to Belgium in a couple of weeks and will buy a(probably prepaid) line from there. Can anyone tell which company plays well with FR hardware? I had problems with Vodafone NL before(GSM OK but no GPRS) also with Globul BG and I don't want this to happen again. -- Atilla ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - * * Not sent from an iBad ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Carrier in Belgium
On 22 October 2010 09:47, Christophe M meumeu1...@gmail.com wrote: Than you have virtual operators. A friend of me is using simyo and is happy with it, it's really cheaper than others, don't know if it works with FR. Christophe I'm using simyo in the Netherlands and am pretty happy with it. Gprs works for me (in the Netherlands). Cheers, Edwin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Carrier in Belgium
On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 23:36:44 +0200, Atilla Filiz atilla.fi...@gmail.com wrote: (sorry for the duplicate) Hi list I am moving to Belgium in a couple of weeks and will buy a(probably prepaid) line from there. Can anyone tell which company plays well with FR hardware? I had problems with Vodafone NL before(GSM OK but no GPRS) also with Globul BG and I don't want this to happen again. -- Atilla I've been with Proximus all my life and have always been happy with the coverage, technical service. I do not use GPRS. Proximus is not the cheapest (as mentioned by others). Proximus is big so you are a number, I do not get frustrated by that, others do. Hans ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Carrier in Belgium
Hi, I would recommend Mobile Vikings if you want to use a bit of data, they are by far the cheapest. (and normal rates for text messages and calls) I use this carrier for my Freerunner this their website: (in English) https://mobilevikings.com/en/ https://mobilevikings.com/en/if you pay 15 euro you will get 2000 free SMS, and 2GB data (the free data and sms will expire after a month, but then you still have your 15 euro's which you can use for texts, calling or data) if you have any questions just let me know and i'll gladly answer them regards, y On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Hans Zimmerman h...@everlasting.be wrote: On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 23:36:44 +0200, Atilla Filiz atilla.fi...@gmail.com wrote: (sorry for the duplicate) Hi list I am moving to Belgium in a couple of weeks and will buy a(probably prepaid) line from there. Can anyone tell which company plays well with FR hardware? I had problems with Vodafone NL before(GSM OK but no GPRS) also with Globul BG and I don't want this to happen again. -- Atilla I've been with Proximus all my life and have always been happy with the coverage, technical service. I do not use GPRS. Proximus is not the cheapest (as mentioned by others). Proximus is big so you are a number, I do not get frustrated by that, others do. Hans ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Carrier in Belgium
Mobile Vikings seem cool. I wonder how their coverage is in Antwerpen. I think I'll try them. On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I would recommend Mobile Vikings if you want to use a bit of data, they are by far the cheapest. (and normal rates for text messages and calls) I use this carrier for my Freerunner this their website: (in English) https://mobilevikings.com/en/ https://mobilevikings.com/en/if you pay 15 euro you will get 2000 free SMS, and 2GB data (the free data and sms will expire after a month, but then you still have your 15 euro's which you can use for texts, calling or data) if you have any questions just let me know and i'll gladly answer them regards, y On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Hans Zimmerman h...@everlasting.bewrote: On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 23:36:44 +0200, Atilla Filiz atilla.fi...@gmail.com wrote: (sorry for the duplicate) Hi list I am moving to Belgium in a couple of weeks and will buy a(probably prepaid) line from there. Can anyone tell which company plays well with FR hardware? I had problems with Vodafone NL before(GSM OK but no GPRS) also with Globul BG and I don't want this to happen again. -- Atilla I've been with Proximus all my life and have always been happy with the coverage, technical service. I do not use GPRS. Proximus is not the cheapest (as mentioned by others). Proximus is big so you are a number, I do not get frustrated by that, others do. Hans ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Atilla Filiz Eindhoven University of Technology Embedded Systems, Master's Programme ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
В Птн, 22/10/2010 в 05:36 -0700, RANJAN пишет: Hello, Recommendations for better hardware on Openmoko. 1)A 600 Mhz processor is minimally required to run the OS at usable speeds.An 800 Mhz processor would be good across all OSes.A 1Ghz processor would be too costly Hi, Ranjan. I just want to say that memory subsystem speed is much more important for speed than cpu speed. While testing freerunner, i've found that performance of system primitives of 500/83 CPU is similar to 400/100. So, really it is much more important to have fast memory subsystem. So, for example, 600/100 will be really not so far from to freerunner's at 440/110. Memory subsystem speed become extremly important if CPU lack of L2 cache. What is cache(s) size(s) of GTA04's CPU? Regards, Gennady. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
Well First my cold has to cure. Then I will organize the still missing parts for the RepRap Then we will assemble it all Then we will print a first chassis Lets hope the granule extruder is in fact that precise, as the docs are telling. If yes, we can put the new board into it, and have the first prototype. As well the others will get one, so basically, there will already be 6 prototypes around. And as soon as we got something, which doesnt disassemble itself, after some days of usage, we will do a webshop for do-it-your-self prototype set to buy. With PCB+chassis+additional parts for self assembly. But this last step - the most wanted by most of you - will take some time. Mostly: Development speed + my cold + reprap slowness, as soon as it is running. best regards leviathan signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qmoko v28 with jitterless kernel
Hi, i have rebuilt kernel for qtmoko v28 with patch that eliminates touchscreen jitter from Gennady. You can download from uImage-v28.1.bin from here [1]. If you run from NAND you can reflash, if you run from uSD you can replace old one in /boot. Please note that i have changed the version only in file, so that you can use modules from old kernel. Regards Radek [1] http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtmoko/files/Experimental/ Thank you very much, QtMoko v28 installed in NAND boots with uboot in a very short time and works flawles: it is wonderful! But, yes there is a but, I can't ssh to the mobile. Looking, in qterminal, at the output of ifconfig everything looks as usual, but demsg givs some strange error when the USB cable is attached: g_ether gadget: full speed config #2: RNDIS is followed by a groing (maybe one per second) list of s3c24xx-ts s2c2440-ts: stylus_irq: count=1 Anyway it is a great distribution, thanks again Giacomo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
