Re: ANN: GTA04A2 engineering sample is now running Linux / will be shown at LinuxTag
The time is near my friend ! The time is near ! (it's a really good news though!) On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 23:09:44 +0200 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: Dear all, after all the previous announcements that were certainly not encouraging and making everybody happy, I have this time really good news. And hope that there are only good news to report in the future... We have finally found a way to patch the power supply issue of our first engineering sample board and are since this morning able to boot Linux and demonstrate LXDE on Debian. We will present this unique unit during LinuxTag on 11-14th May in Berlin. So please come! This power supply hack was to solder an additional 1.2V LDO chip (TPS73601DCQ) to give the CPU more supply power [1]. Apparently this is sufficient to solve the spurious shutdown issue, which was coming from a very suboptimal PCB layout of our engineering board. Anyway, the new GTA04A3 boards (which are already in production) have a heavily improved board layout so that I expect that they will never show this problem and are much more robust. After knowing how much the layout can and should be improved, I am still surprised that hacking the hardware with a 2 € LDO chip was a sufficient work-around... Here is finally a brand new video showing the device in (battery!) operation: [2] So we are looking forward to get the new GTA04A3 boards from SMD assembly (in approx. 4 weeks), connecting a display, inserting a SD card and a battery ... Happy easter time to everyone, Nikolaus Schaller [1]: http://download.goldelico.com/gta04/images/DSC00784.jpeg [2]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KnJc7eImQ4 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Thomas HOCEDEZ tho...@hocedez.fr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ANN: GTA04A2 engineering sample is now running Linux / will be shown at LinuxTag
Hallo Nikolaus, On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 23:09, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: after all the previous announcements that were certainly not encouraging and making everybody happy, I have this time really good news. And hope that there are only good news to report in the future... Looks very nioce! I'm looking forward to be able to send my GTA-02 to you and receive a GTA-04 back!! Keep up the great work, and a Happy Easter! Christ van Willegen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Building QtMoko
Hello everyone, just to avoid a new thread... I am (to be honest a friend of mine is...) trying to make some improvements in QtMoko. I was able to compile it but, after a small modification in a single file, I noticed that make took a very long time. Instead, in build/path/to/mod/file/ a found a Makefile and, there, I was able to generate a new, single, binary file. I was also able to scp the file on the phone and it worked perfectly. What I'd like to know is: is this the right way to modify and compile? Thanks Giacomo -- ## giacomo 'giotti' mariani gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-key 0x99bfa859 O ASCII ribbon campaign: stop HTML mail www.asciiribbon.org ## ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Article: What happened to real open source phones?
Hi all, To those of you who didn't see summary flying by on Linuxtoday.com, there is recent article published about the Openmoko: http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/mowi/article.php/3931296/What-Happened-to-Real-Open-Source-Phones.htm I'm sure that after reading the article, you'll have the urge to react. At least I know I did ;-) Regards, Niels. -- Microsoft gives you windows, Linux gives you the whole house. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ANN: GTA04A2 engineering sample is now running Linux / will be shown at LinuxTag
Congrats I knew you can do it I knew it . Rgds Juergen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Article: What happened to real open source phones?
Le 21/04/2011 12:10, Niels Heyvaert a écrit : Hi all, To those of you who didn't see summary flying by on Linuxtoday.com, there is recent article published about the Openmoko: http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/mowi/article.php/3931296/What-Happened-to-Real-Open-Source-Phones.htm I'm sure that after reading the article, you'll have the urge to react. At least I know I did ;-) Regards, Niels. -- Microsoft gives you windows, Linux gives you the whole house. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Thanks for this very interesting link ! I have also posted a comment. Regards, Thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Building QtMoko
On Thursday 21 April 2011 11:39:20 giacomo 'giotti' mariani wrote: Hello everyone, just to avoid a new thread... I am (to be honest a friend of mine is...) trying to make some improvements in QtMoko. I was able to compile it but, after a small modification in a single file, I noticed that make took a very long time. Instead, in build/path/to/mod/file/ a found a Makefile and, there, I was able to generate a new, single, binary file. I was also able to scp the file on the phone and it worked perfectly. What I'd like to know is: is this the right way to modify and compile? Yes, i do it the same way. You dont even have to cd to build/path/to/blabla. You can just do /path/to/build/bin/qbuild in directory where is qbuild.pro project file. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Article: What happened to real open source phones?
Hello! After reading the article, I think it is just a waste of time. The article does not even deserve to react on it. By commenting you just give importance to it and that's what the post seek. In my opinion it is just a confusing and lousy article with no relevant information to make a bit of noise in order to attract the attention and to increase the hit count of the domain. Regards, Balint On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 10:10:37 + Niels Heyvaert nielsheyva...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi all, To those of you who didn't see summary flying by on Linuxtoday.com, there is recent article published about the Openmoko: http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/mowi/article.php/3931296/What-Happened-to-Real-Open-Source-Phones.htm I'm sure that after reading the article, you'll have the urge to react. At least I know I did ;-) Regards, Niels. -- Microsoft gives you windows, Linux gives you the whole house. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Article: What happened to real open source phones?
The article pretty well sums up my experience with the GTA02, although I certainly have no regrets about buying one. All things considered, the idea of the machine was great, but it is really unfortunate that the performance, stability and general quality of the applications was somewhat below expectations. In particular, the glamo chip was a disaster for any advanced use of the screen resolution available, and the battery life issues made it not much use unless plugged into a power source. I hope that the GTA04, when it gets fully shaken down, will address at least those 2 issues. For the applications I would like to implement, more memory, performance that at least resembles a 500 Mhz laptop, although most phones now are dual core 1 Ghz chips, and excellent WIFI/GSM functionality would be critical. In terms of additional features, an IRDA facility, and geo-environment sensors (temp, pressure) and compass would be nice. Whatever the outcome of the GTA04 project, I support the effort and even if its another hobbyist toy, I will likely find it interesting. While I don't use the GTA02 as a regular phone, its in regular use for software development and for GPS applications. For some reason, I have yet to get stable and reliable information out of the accelerometers, but even they are useful for some purposes. Unfortunately, I feel the struggle for a Linux phone is pretty much submerged by the Android phenomenon, which is in my opinion, too bad. Phone hardware that ran linux out of the box would be wonderful. Niels Heyvaert wrote: Hi all, To those of you who didn't see summary flying by on Linuxtoday.com, there is recent article published about the Openmoko: http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/mowi/article.php/3931296/What-Happened-to-Real-Open-Source-Phones.htm I'm sure that after reading the article, you'll have the urge to react. At least I know I did ;-) Regards, Niels. -- Microsoft gives you windows, Linux gives you the whole house. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Iain B. Findleton 514-457-0744 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ANN: GTA04A2 engineering sample is now running Linux / will be shown at LinuxTag
Hello! This is really great news, many thanks for your work. It seems to be running fast. Regards, Balint ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Article: What happened to real open source phones?
Balint, I think it is just a waste of time. Actually, I disagree. What the article's author is saying is what a lot of people outside the project have said, and with the GTA04 on the threshold of moving forward, I think it is time to start putting down the naysayers again. From my viewpoint there was never a clear agreement (or even a clear statement) as to what the Openmoko Project's real goal was. I think the first person to comment on the article, Jason, echoed what I heard a lot of people say on the mailing lists over the years: o I bought a phone (in his case a Neo 1973) o It was never even functional as a phone o I am stuck with it (or perhaps they sold it) The FreeRunner suffered a better fate overall, but still fell short of various people's expectations. Obviously Jason never bought into the concept of the phone as a developer's tool...he actually wanted to make calls with it. If the goal of the project was to create a platform for people to investigate developing code for a mobile in a free and open way, then you could make the argument that Openmoko was fairly successful. If the goal was to create a complete Open Source software stack that would successfully compete with the iPhone to the iConsumer, I think that the project was not successful. Using Android, which was mostly developed in a closed manner, does not really count. If the goal was to create a commercially successful Open Phone platform or to show that such a phone could be a success, I think it was less than successfulbut not necessarily because of its Openness. I meant what I said in my response to the article. I had a manufacturing company all set to license the necessary designs from Openmoko, to buy the spare inventory and to make the business relationships to buy new components. They had the facilities and expertise to make the phone, but they needed to make a certain volume just to make back their tooling costs. We had many customers standing by to purchase the phones, and these customers were not price sensitiveonly there were no new components to buy, so the whole business plan fell apart. We could not make the volume necessary to break even from tooling. I hope that the GTA04 will be positioned so that every purchaser will know why they are buying it, and what they can expect from it. Then perhaps we will have fewer disappointed customers. Perhaps this is too much to ask, but it could be a goal. md ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Article: What happened to real open source phones?
Unfortunately, I feel the struggle for a Linux phone is pretty much submerged by the Android phenomenon, which is in my opinion, too bad. Phone hardware that ran linux out of the box would be wonderful. It depends on what you mean by Linux. Personally I would like the GTA04 to run a Linux kernel with two personalities, one of them being Debian and the other Android. Just my preferences. md ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
