Re: Sharing literki work
2011/10/16 Neil Jerram n...@ossau.homelinux.net: Hi there. I'm doing some incremental work with literki, and wanted to share that in case it's of interest to more than just me. Yes! I still found literki the most interesting keyboard around, which is why I packaged it in Debian (some patches at [1], probably not interesting if not the 03). If only I could find out how to force it to stay on top on my setup so that I wouldn't need to restart it every time I switch a window and want to write something... (I have a button for that in my tihos program). -Timo [1] http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-fso/literki.git;a=tree;f=debian/patches;h=76282552a74781095cb65e8330a4383eea5df808;hb=debian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sharing literki work
Interesting! d ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sharing literki work
On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:34:12 +0300, Timo Jyrinki wrote: Yes! I still found literki the most interesting keyboard around, Me too. Its code is nicely organised and easy to read and modify. I like the transparent overlay approach, and its target of being finger-usable, and the hide/show control by swiping. And the touchpad idea... My only reservation is that I've found it not to look very beautiful. Plus I'm interested at the moment in optimising for a landscape UI. Those are the motivations for my current work. which is why I packaged it in Debian (some patches at [1], probably not interesting if not the 03). I have those already, apart from 02, because I started from the Debian package. I've independently implemented something like 02. If only I could find out how to force it to stay on top on my setup so that I wouldn't need to restart it every time I switch a window and want to write something... (I have a button for that in my tihos program). Yes. My idea about that is that I'd like the Input Method (IM) system to tell a small server program (which is pretending to be an IM engine) when keyboard input is needed, and then that program could run literki and make sure that it is on top. Do you think that might work? I believe that ibus is the most modern and actively developed IM system, so I've installed that and am looking at its doc, but haven't got far yet with working out the detail of what would be needed. Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sharing literki work
On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 09:55:36 +0200, Davide Scaini wrote: Interesting! d Thanks. I've popped up another screenshot - but only showing a little more incremental change - at http://www.screenshots.cc/show/50531/frk2a. Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sharing literki work
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Neil Jerram n...@ossau.homelinux.net wrote: Me too. Its code is nicely organised and easy to read and modify. I like the transparent overlay approach, and its target of being finger-usable, and the hide/show control by swiping. And the touchpad idea... I'm glad to hear it! If only I could find out how to force it to stay on top on my setup so that I wouldn't need to restart it every time I switch a window and want to write something... (I have a button for that in my tihos program). Yes. My idea about that is that I'd like the Input Method (IM) system to tell a small server program (which is pretending to be an IM engine) when keyboard input is needed, and then that program could run literki and make sure that it is on top. Do you think that might work? What setup do you have? I used IceWM, and I remember hacking it to put windows with override_redirect bit on the top. That gives the user total control over hiding the keyboard. Some WMs seem to respect this bit, and it maybe can be considered a bug if the don't. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sharing literki work
On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 17:03:56 +0200, Michał Brzozowski wrote: On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Neil Jerram n...@ossau.homelinux.net wrote: Me too. Its code is nicely organised and easy to read and modify. I like the transparent overlay approach, and its target of being finger-usable, and the hide/show control by swiping. And the touchpad idea... I'm glad to hear it! Hi Michał, thanks for commenting on this thread. What setup do you have? OpenBox at the moment; but I can change if something else is better. I used IceWM, and I remember hacking it to put windows with override_redirect bit on the top. You mean you had to change IceWM's code for this? That wouldn't surprise me, because I think override_redirect just means don't decorate me and don't mess with my size or position. I don't think it normally implies being always on top. That gives the user total control over hiding the keyboard. Some WMs seem to respect this bit, and it maybe can be considered a bug if the don't. I doubt it can be considered a bug. It seems to me that a WM needs to take specific action in order to implement always on top for a window, and the (normal) overall sense of override_redirect is more WM, please just leave me alone. Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
QtMoko running on GTA04
Hi, today i finally received my GTA04. After 2 hours i made case. Then compiled kernel unpacked qtmoko v36 tar on SD card and it booted on first try to GUI. After calibration and initial settings it didnt started because of modem, but after editing /opt/qtmoko/qpe.env setting PHONE_VENDOR=Dummy and reboot it started just fine. Here is short video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgZzxmHzWtg My impression from GTA04 are really great. The phone is very fast - much more responsive then GTA02. It can play fullscreen video without problem, as you can see e.g. reading PDF is really fast too. USB networking works ok and web browser is also super fast. Congratulations to Nikolaus and all GTA04 team. I still can't believe what you have done. Many thanks for my new board and hopefully new phone soon. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko running on GTA04
В Пнд, 17/10/2011 в 23:53 +0200, Radek Polak пишет: Hi, today i finally received my GTA04. After 2 hours i made case. Then compiled kernel unpacked qtmoko v36 tar on SD card and it booted on first try to GUI. After calibration and initial settings it didnt started because of modem, but after editing /opt/qtmoko/qpe.env setting PHONE_VENDOR=Dummy and reboot it started just fine. Here is short video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgZzxmHzWtg My impression from GTA04 are really great. The phone is very fast - much more responsive then GTA02. It can play fullscreen video without problem, as you can see e.g. reading PDF is really fast too. USB networking works ok and web browser is also super fast. Congratulations to Nikolaus and all GTA04 team. I still can't believe what you have done. Many thanks for my new board and hopefully new phone soon. Radek, very impressive case :) What's the battery life of GTA04-EA while full on? standby time? Gennady ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko running on GTA04
On 10/17/2011 02:53 PM, Radek Polak wrote: Hi, today i finally received my GTA04. After 2 hours i made case. Then compiled kernel unpacked qtmoko v36 tar on SD card and it booted on first try to GUI. After calibration and initial settings it didnt started because of modem, but after editing /opt/qtmoko/qpe.env setting PHONE_VENDOR=Dummy and reboot it started just fine. Hi Radek. Thank you for this news. I hope to see next OpemMOKO soon, this slow and buggy gprs on old board is really killing me sometime. I think that with all gps application and good webkit enabled browser 3G openmoko will be really cool. And i think that a lot of issues of qtmoko are coming from modem bugs, so probably this hw update will help a lot. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko running on GTA04
On Tue, 18 Oct 2011, Gennady Kupava wrote: Radek, very impressive case :) n++ It should even be harder to get such one than to make one with shapeways and others. A. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko running on GTA04
Am Montag 17 Oktober 2011 schrieb Gennady Kupava: What's the battery life of GTA04-EA while full on? standby time? We had our open hard- and software meeting in Munich today and Nikolaus' GTA04s were fully on for more than three hours, until we left. Maybe he can tell how long the battery actually lasted. As far as I understood, there is not powermanagement so far in the kernel he uses. Performance is pretty amazing in my opinion having seen the GTA04 running in the case for the first time. -- Lars Lubarsky's Law of Cybernetic Entomology: There's always one more bug. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko running on GTA04
my face now -- :Q___ hope to see soon one of this in my hands! Congrats to the GTA04 team! A really great job Radek, expecially for the case! (: Regards Joif ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
Happen to see the case of Milkymist one[1], it is a transparent material and would prefer GTA04 embedded in case like that, with full view of itsy bitsy circuits and chips, don't know how feasible is it. [1] http://milkymist.org/mmone.html On 11/15/10, Atilla Filiz atilla.fi...@gmail.com wrote: About the case. Would GeeksphoneONE/Zeus case fit us? I know they have a sliding keyboards but maybe we can work something out. Even better, I would love to see a full keyboard on my Neo. On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 4:00 PM, W. B. Kranendonk wankelwan...@yahoo.comwrote: --- On Sat, 11/13/10, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: (one series of problems) We could solve that by adding a jump start resistor. Then, we soldered the OMAP3530 and Pop Memory chip and connected RS232: http://download.goldelico.com/gta04/images/DSC00679.jpg It did identify itself as 40W on the RS232 (...) must fit into 64k SRAM built into the OMAP chip. So we are back to C64 times :) With this tool, we could identify that the (external) SDRAM (...) quite a long lead time. For the series version this will be very easy to fix. Un-be-lievable! Your updates read as detectives, I am looking forward to seeing the plot revolving and coming to a good end :-) Thanks again! Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Atilla Filiz Eindhoven University of Technology Embedded Systems, Master's Programme -- Ranjit Pillai gnumen.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko running on GTA04
c00l, GTA04 looks really promising with qtmoko on top of it. The case as you have opted in thread titled - [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing have chiseled it out, Radek :). Really this community is the place to be in. I Iike it. Rgds Rp On 10/18/11, fdvj...@vodafone.it fdvj...@vodafone.it wrote: my face now -- :Q___ hope to see soon one of this in my hands! Congrats to the GTA04 team! A really great job Radek, expecially for the case! (: Regards Joif ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Ranjit Pillai gnumen.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing
Ranjit, hey, thanks for noticing :-) Happen to see the case of Milkymist one[1], it is a transparent material and would prefer GTA04 embedded in case like that, with full view of itsy bitsy circuits and chips, don't know how feasible is it. [1] http://milkymist.org/mmone.html That case was designed and manufactured by fantastic Raumfahrtagentur in Berlin http://raumfahrtagentur.org/ roh from Raumfahrtagentur used QCad for design and laser cutting, the original .dxf files are freely licensed and published https://github.com/milkymist/extras-m1/blob/master/cad/protocase_v8_laser.dxf QCad: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qcad There are many details that still need improvement, mechanical work is labor intensive :-) Screws, spacers, feet, etc. In the later versions we used dichlormethane for gluing the buttons, the entire button design can probably be improved as well. Werner just milled some out of wood http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/tmp/m1butwood.jpg We made a wood version of the Milkymist One case earlier, but wood bends over time, if we really wanted to use wood we would need to find out more about that. http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/4/42/Milkymist_One_wood_case.jpg The Milkymist logo is engraved into the inside of the top acrylic, it looks nice but as always there is room for improvement there as well. https://github.com/milkymist/extras-m1/blob/master/cad/milkymist_logo_engrave_v1.dxf http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/d/d3/Milkymist_engraved_logo_shot.jpg Bottom line: We learnt a lot, made a beautiful and functional acrylic case (often used for architecture models as well, btw). Many details can and will be improved, the process is all open and uses free tools. Kristian Paul used the same files to make his own Milkymist One case in Bogota, Colombia. In the future we may also investigate milling or lasering aluminum, maybe starting with the same .dxf design files we have right now... If anybody has questions about a mechanical design and manufacturing process using free tools, don't hesitate to join the Qi list at http://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/discussion or the #qi-hardware IRC channel on Freenode, webchat http://en.qi-hardware.com/webchat Last but not least - Milkymist One sells for 499 USD plus shipping at https://sharism.cc/milkymist About 40 of 80 run3 units have already sold in the last 3 weeks :-) By buying one you support the entire free supply chain, including Raumfahrtagentur in Berlin. Cheers, Wolfgang ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
