Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com writes: As far as I know, EAGLE 6 has a new XML format. So it should be possible to convert the file using the free (beer) version to XML. And from there to any tool of interest. Ok. The summary seems to be that if somebody wants to see the GTA04 schematics they have to use non-free software, at least for the initial conversion step. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
[cut] Ok. The summary seems to be that if somebody wants to see the GTA04 schematics they have to use non-free software, at least for the initial conversion step. Indeed it doesn't look good. IIRC Openmoko used GPL tools (KiCAD?) with some patches for schematics, right? Couldn't Goldelicious follow that way? -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Am 02.03.2012 um 10:04 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com writes: As far as I know, EAGLE 6 has a new XML format. So it should be possible to convert the file using the free (beer) version to XML. And from there to any tool of interest. Ok. The summary seems to be that if somebody wants to see the GTA04 schematics they have to use non-free software, at least for the initial conversion step. No, I would not conclude that. One just needs to develop a file import converter for any free CAD software, if it does not yet exist. OpenOffice or LibreOffice e.g. has no problem reading Word/Excel/Powerpoint files. Or use the free(-beer) EAGLE once to do the conversion for the benfit of all. We can upload any converted files to the same server. Another question is why we use EAGLE for development. That has several reasons. One is that we have it, we know it, we know its bugs and limitations, it works, it is stable, we have a big component library. But the key argument is that it is challenging enough to develop a GTA04 so that we simply don't want to develop/change tools unless necessary because lack of functionality. We simply want to use them and keep away from potential problems that don't improve the result. The GTA04 would look exactly the same if it were developed by using different tools... Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
this is funny... you can use the same argument for windows. So GTA04 is not totally free snd then we can all buy an huawey+android phone... Bye d On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: Am 02.03.2012 um 10:04 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com writes: As far as I know, EAGLE 6 has a new XML format. So it should be possible to convert the file using the free (beer) version to XML. And from there to any tool of interest. Ok. The summary seems to be that if somebody wants to see the GTA04 schematics they have to use non-free software, at least for the initial conversion step. No, I would not conclude that. One just needs to develop a file import converter for any free CAD software, if it does not yet exist. OpenOffice or LibreOffice e.g. has no problem reading Word/Excel/Powerpoint files. Or use the free(-beer) EAGLE once to do the conversion for the benfit of all. We can upload any converted files to the same server. Another question is why we use EAGLE for development. That has several reasons. One is that we have it, we know it, we know its bugs and limitations, it works, it is stable, we have a big component library. But the key argument is that it is challenging enough to develop a GTA04 so that we simply don't want to develop/change tools unless necessary because lack of functionality. We simply want to use them and keep away from potential problems that don't improve the result. The GTA04 would look exactly the same if it were developed by using different tools... Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Am 02.03.2012 um 10:20 schrieb Patryk Benderz: [cut] Ok. The summary seems to be that if somebody wants to see the GTA04 schematics they have to use non-free software, at least for the initial conversion step. Indeed it doesn't look good. IIRC Openmoko used GPL tools (KiCAD?) with some patches for schematics, right? Couldn't Goldelicious follow that way? No they did use some commercial tool (Mentor PADS?) where there isn't even a free(-beer) version to open the files. And, they never published schematics and board files in any raw and editable format. Just PDF... Finally, this is an offer to use it. If nobody wants to use it, we could also remove it from the server :) Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Patryk Benderz patryk.bend...@esp.pl writes: Indeed it doesn't look good. IIRC Openmoko used GPL tools (KiCAD?) with Openmoko had the same problem. It was gta02-core project that pioneered an effort to convert the gta02 schematics to kicad format and improved kicad in the process. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com writes: No, I would not conclude that. One just needs to develop a file import converter for any free CAD software, if it does not yet exist. Hmm, let me rephrase it then: The summary seems to be that if somebody wants to see the GTA04 schematics they have to use non-free software, at least for the initial conversion step, or develop an import plugin for EAGLE format. :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Am 02.03.2012 um 10:29 schrieb Davide Scaini: this is funny... you can use the same argument for windows. So GTA04 is not totally free snd then we can all buy an huawey+android phone... If you think huawey+android is free enough for you... Get one and try to design an adapter board for a different display. Good luck :) The GTA04 is not completely free hardware (and was never intended to become). It's main feature is that it is well enough documented so that it can run completely free software. And it does not even reach this goal completely (WiFi driver, SGX driver). Nikolaus Bye d On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: Am 02.03.2012 um 10:04 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com writes: As far as I know, EAGLE 6 has a new XML format. So it should be possible to convert the file using the free (beer) version to XML. And from there to any tool of interest. Ok. The summary seems to be that if somebody wants to see the GTA04 schematics they have to use non-free software, at least for the initial conversion step. No, I would not conclude that. One just needs to develop a file import converter for any free CAD software, if it does not yet exist. OpenOffice or LibreOffice e.g. has no problem reading Word/Excel/Powerpoint files. Or use the free(-beer) EAGLE once to do the conversion for the benfit of all. We can upload any converted files to the same server. Another question is why we use EAGLE for development. That has several reasons. One is that we have it, we know it, we know its bugs and limitations, it works, it is stable, we have a big component library. But the key argument is that it is challenging enough to develop a GTA04 so that we simply don't want to develop/change tools unless necessary because lack of functionality. We simply want to use them and keep away from potential problems that don't improve the result. The GTA04 would look exactly the same if it were developed by using different tools... Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Am 02.03.2012 um 10:42 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com writes: No, I would not conclude that. One just needs to develop a file import converter for any free CAD software, if it does not yet exist. Hmm, let me rephrase it then: The summary seems to be that if somebody wants to see the GTA04 schematics they have to use non-free software, at least for the initial conversion step, or develop an import plugin for EAGLE format. Yes. Right. Somebody else has to jump in. We can't solve all problems of the world. Can you? Just a note because I think there may be some misunderstanding: this is not about the GTA04 schematics. Those are already published as PDF. And I am almost sure there are free PDF readers around :) This is all about a blueprint so that you can develop your own expansion/adapter board. Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Am 02.03.2012 um 10:48 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: Am 02.03.2012 um 10:42 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com writes: No, I would not conclude that. One just needs to develop a file import converter for any free CAD software, if it does not yet exist. Hmm, let me rephrase it then: The summary seems to be that if somebody wants to see the GTA04 schematics they have to use non-free software, at least for the initial conversion step, or develop an import plugin for EAGLE format. Yes. Right. Somebody else has to jump in. We can't solve all problems of the world. Can you? Just a note because I think there may be some misunderstanding: this is not about the GTA04 schematics. Those are already published as PDF. And I am almost sure there are free PDF readers around :) This is all about a blueprint so that you can develop your own expansion/adapter board. I should have added that you could have done it already with the technical data and descriptions in the GTA04 manual. Using any tools you like. But you would have to start from scratch and do everything yourself. So providing these files is a pure courtesy to kickstart development of such adapter boards. Since the focus of this thread may have been lost, it is all about this: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/page/CustomVariants/ Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com writes: Yes. Right. Somebody else has to jump in. We can't solve all problems of the world. Can you? Of course not, I was only trying to figure out the facts here. It is important that people realize what bits still need work. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Am 02.03.2012 10:42, schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com writes: No, I would not conclude that. One just needs to develop a file import converter for any free CAD software, if it does not yet exist. Hmm, let me rephrase it then: The summary seems to be that if somebody wants to see the GTA04 schematics they have to use non-free software, at least for the initial conversion step, or develop an import plugin for EAGLE format. I read in a forum that it should be possible to import eagle 6.x files into the free designspark layout software. I didn't try it myself but this is maybe worth a bit more investigation. Ciao, Rainer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
On Thursday 01 of March 2012 23:59:39 Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Fox Mulder quakem...@gmx.net writes: You can just install latest eagle 6.1 (win, linux, mac) and use it with light license for free which limits to 100x80mm board size and 2 layers. This freeware version exists as long as i can remember for eagle. :) I don't want limits, sorry :-) Personally speaking, I absolutely don't care as far as the board this thread is about is not reaching these limits. Eagle is very commonly used by people having interest in HW design and electronic and I'm sure that many of them will appreciate what Nikolaus offered. Zb. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
free software (FLOSS) for reading EAGLE files
Fox Mulder quakem...@gmx.net writes: I read in a forum that it should be possible to import eagle 6.x files into the free designspark layout software. I didn't try it myself but this is maybe worth a bit more investigation. http://www.designspark.com/pcb seems to offer just a windows binary. Can you find source code anywhere? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
shr-2012.01-rc1, please test
Hi, on FSOSHRCON'11 we decided that we should do first official release. We expected to ship it in January, but everybody was quite busy so only now we have something to call at least rc1. Of course there are still some bugs, some are even already known, but please let us know what is blocking this release and what can be fixed in next one. To do that please test latest staging images+feeds. See http://www.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Stabilizing http://www.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/StagingTests for details how to test them. I've started image rebuild for staging 032, but I'm leaving for 5 days tomorrow at 4AM and I guess they won't be finished in time to close 032 for easier testing.. that's why I'm sending this announcement now. If there is at least few test reports tonight I'll merge staging feeds up to 031 to public feed so we get more users using it. Cheers, -- Martin 'JaMa' Jansa jabber: martin.ja...@gmail.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to bring forward the community?
On Thursday 01 March 2012 13:35:34 Gerald A wrote: Hi, On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 5:45 AM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.ukwrote: On Wednesday 29 February 2012 11:55:46 Gerald A wrote: I've had a few bluetooth keyboards and a bluetooth mouse paired and function with my Neo. I can't remember what software rev it was, but if it works in the cranky old stuff I was using, I'm sure it should work in a later version. That's not a safe assumption. I know SHR used to work with my Stowaway keyboard, but I also remember updates that broke it. Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that it worked in some particular (later) version. The OP seemed to be wondering if it had worked at all, and indeed it did. Did the updates break it and it never got fixed? I don't remember, and I've not tested it in a recent image. At the time it wasn't something that was tested before release, and there were only a couple of us that spotted it. When it worked it worked well though, so it may be fine. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
[cut] Openmoko had the same problem. It was gta02-core project that pioneered an effort to convert the gta02 schematics to kicad format and improved kicad in the process. I am sorry, you are right, thanks for correcting me. Anyway my point stays valid. Couldn't KiCAD be used for this? -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Am 02.03.2012 um 13:45 schrieb Patryk Benderz: [cut] Openmoko had the same problem. It was gta02-core project that pioneered an effort to convert the gta02 schematics to kicad format and improved kicad in the process. I am sorry, you are right, thanks for correcting me. Anyway my point stays valid. Couldn't KiCAD be used for this? Yes, sure. The requirements to the design tool for such an adapter board are not heavy. It can be done on 2 layers in 6 mil traces. So I am sure you can design such adapters with KiCAD. To simplify this even further I have added PDFs to the download. Of course you have to manually transfer the contents. http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/downloads/42/ Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
[cut] Yes, sure. The requirements to the design tool for such an adapter board are not heavy. It can be done on 2 layers in 6 mil traces. So I am sure you can design such adapters with KiCAD. Seems I was not clear enough. Can Timo Juhani Lindfors use KiCAD to open GTA04 schematics? I suppose not, so we get back to migration tool idea? -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to bring forward the community?
what you think would bring forward the Openmoko community Hardware: One-man-show Nikolaus Software: One-man-show Radek I am praying each night, that both of you fasten your seatbelt daily. Instead a participating community we converted to simple consumers waiting for news and order buttons. We dont need new features, but a new spirit first hand. Poor pre-order numbers of GTA04 proove this. Openmoko was a combination of several things: - Open hardware. - A phone running Free Software. - A phone running standard GNU/Linux software (e.g. X-Windows). IIUC there are many more people interested in the second than in the first. Stefan PS: There's a general expectation that open hardware will run Free software, but w.r.t open hardware's GPU that doesn't seem to be very often the case. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards
Am 02.03.2012 um 17:26 schrieb Patryk Benderz: [cut] Yes, sure. The requirements to the design tool for such an adapter board are not heavy. It can be done on 2 layers in 6 mil traces. So I am sure you can design such adapters with KiCAD. Seems I was not clear enough. Can Timo Juhani Lindfors use KiCAD to open GTA04 schematics? I think you should ask that on the KiCAD mailing list. BR, Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: shr-2012.01-rc1, please test
On Friday 02 March 2012 11:55:27 Martin Jansa wrote: Hi, on FSOSHRCON'11 we decided that we should do first official release. We expected to ship it in January, but everybody was quite busy so only now we have something to call at least rc1. Of course there are still some bugs, some are even already known, but please let us know what is blocking this release and what can be fixed in next one. To do that please test latest staging images+feeds. See http://www.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Stabilizing http://www.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/StagingTests for details how to test them. I've started image rebuild for staging 032, but I'm leaving for 5 days tomorrow at 4AM and I guess they won't be finished in time to close 032 for easier testing.. that's why I'm sending this announcement now. If there is at least few test reports tonight I'll merge staging feeds up to 031 to public feed so we get more users using it. Cheers, I can't see any rootfs to test. Am I looking in the wrong place? From the docs linked above it looks like it should be in: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-core-staging/031/images/om-gta02/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: shr-2012.01-rc1, please test
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 18:25, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: I can't see any rootfs to test. Am I looking in the wrong place? From the docs linked above it looks like it should be in: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-core-staging/031/images/om-gta02/ Not every staging feed has whole image rebuilt. You need to download and install some older image and upgrade to 031 after that. Instead of manually navigating through the directories, you can use download wizard on http://build.shr-project.org/ to automatically find latest image available (requires JavaScript). -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: shr-2012.01-rc1, please test
On Friday 02 March 2012 18:34:20 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 18:25, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: I can't see any rootfs to test. Am I looking in the wrong place? From the docs linked above it looks like it should be in: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-core-staging/031/images/om-gta02/ Not every staging feed has whole image rebuilt. You need to download and install some older image and upgrade to 031 after that. Instead of manually navigating through the directories, you can use download wizard on http://build.shr-project.org/ to automatically find latest image available (requires JavaScript). Just to make sure I've got the right end of the stick, and won't be adding results for the wrong thing: rootfs from 030 kernel and qi from 031 fix the feeds at 031 using: sed -i 's#/shr-.*/ipk/#/shr-core-staging/031/ipk/#g;' /etc/opkg/*-feed.conf update/upgrade and start testing ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: shr-2012.01-rc1, please test
On 02.03.2012 19:51, Al Johnson wrote: Just to make sure I've got the right end of the stick, and won't be adding results for the wrong thing: rootfs from 030 kernel and qi from 031 fix the feeds at 031 using: sed -i 's#/shr-.*/ipk/#/shr-core-staging/031/ipk/#g;' /etc/opkg/*-feed.conf update/upgrade and start testing Hi, that's the correct way. I did it the same way: downloaded the gta04 image from 030 then upgraded to 031/latest (which is the same at the moment). Cheers, Lukas signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
