Re: Discussion: what are your dreams for the Openmoko Community
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 5:52 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: It has become a little quiet here in the last weeks so that I really fear about the spirit and status of this community. So what are your dreams with respect to open mobile handhelds? What would you like as future hardware? What to see in software distros? Anything else? What missing piece are you waiting for? If we exchange these ideas it may be possible that we all work together (with smaller and bigger contributions - everyone as he/she likes) to fulfill them... Otherwise I guess we have just to consume what Apple, Samsung, MS-Nokia and others are confronting us with in the next years. May it be open or closed as they like. Or is this where we see our future? Or am I completely wrong in my impression? Phew - a lot of questions and so early in the morning :) Nikolaus Preface: I haven't touched the OM list in probably 2-3 years; I just looked over at a gmail tag for it and noticed holy crap, there are over 9,000 unread messages! So many of these issues may have been addressed in some way. Well, I think a prior issue has really been about expectations and risk. When I got my GTA02, I was really looking forward to a phone. A phone for me is a reliable device that I can use as my primary contact point with the outside world for voice communication. The GTA stack wasn't nearly good enough for that. And that's perfectly ok -- but I was saddened because I expected more. The risk comes in from both the problems in it being a phone (some software stack issues, some battery life problems, some usability issues) and in being as expensive as it was. The combination of its ability to negatively impact my daily life (as a poor phone) and the cost of the device together really hurt. I'd rather it be said upfront (in big block lettering) that it's only good as a secondary device, with the plan to eventually be a good phone. I know some said that on the list, but I also heard that some people were able to make it work for their daily-use phone, and I was too hopeful. Honestly it's just too sweet a dream to expect people (like myself) to make a terribly rational decision about, without really pressing in the facts. The drop to reality I think hurt many of us early enthusiasts and really took away a lot of possible enthusiasm. For the future -- and I'm saying this as someone who'd be interested in coming back into the fold, learning what I have -- I'd like to see more of a hardware-hacker tilt to it. Closer to what we're seeing on the embedded controller accessories side (e.g. arduino et al.), perhaps in being able to directly connect to other projects' expansion boards (arduino shields? I donno much about them, just been watching from the sideline), and/or some analog/digital I/O pins. This way, the device can already be useful and fun, and it'll get a happy community while it's also ramping up its capabilities as a phone. My GTA02 may eventually come out of storage and become a small add-on to my car, with some maps, GPS, and an interface to the on-board diagnostics port to show some engine stats, etc. And that's a perfectly good place for it to end up. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Status OpenPhoneux / GTA04
Hi all, end of the month - time to take some breath of air and write a status update of the OpenPhoenux/GTA04 project. 1. Group Tour is still in production (with problems). About 30% of the boards have been produced but had failures. About 1/3 of those had been without problems or have been fixed now. These units have already been shipped last week (based on a first order first served sequence). The other boards are in rework. The production company now thinks they have managed how to raise production yield. But due to illness and school holidays in Bavaria, they have not yet continued to work. So please expect that it will become End of June for delivery... As soon as these group tour devices have finally been shipped, we can start planning the next version/release. But then with keeping a better eye on the production yield and speed. To avoid misunderstandings: the electronical design is working very well, as the devices show that have already been shipped. It is a pure production problem with the solder joints of the chips on the PCB. No electrical or electronical problems without a workaround. It is like running a completely debugged software on defective memory... Or having a 200mph sports car that you can't use because some of the screws are loose. But for each unit there are different ones so you have to check them all. 2. Presentation at LinuxTag Lukas and myself gave a well recognized presentation for an audience of approx. 70 listeners. And we had that project meeting point, which is a booth shared by several projects. We had very interesting discussions there. Presentation slides: http://download.goldelico.com/default/Presentations/20120526%20LinuxTag%202012%20-%20Openmoko%20is%20dead%20-%20long%20live%20Openphoenux.pdf 3. free 3D Graphics driver one topic came up during LinuxTag: free 3D graphics drivers. As you may know, the DM3730 has a integrated PowerVR SGX530 GPU which is currently not even used. There exist drivers and non-free binaries for user space and firmware available through the BeagleBoard.org project and TI. So it is not used just because nobody did look deeply enough into the installation procedures. Unfortunately these are non-free software. While for the MALI GPU, there is a very active project to reverse engineer and write a free driver. This got quite a lot of attention during FOSDEM and LinuxTag. For the PowerVR there was also a project proposal last year and it was even made a high priority project by FSF. So I tried to find out the current status. Well, FSF forgot to kick off the project (they said they will now take care of it). And there is no more progress than http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:PowerVR_drivers http://lkcl.net/powervr/sgx/ (list of reverse engineered PowerVR SGX USSE Opcodes) http://elinux.org/Create_Open_Source_PowerVR_GPU_driver And I got in contact with a handful of people interested in this. Since I would find it good to give us more freedom of choice for 3D drivers, I offered to use the gta04-owner mailing list for discussions. And maybe some of you are also interested to contribute to this. 4. Nomenclature OpenPhoneux/GTA04 There may be some confusion what GTA04 and OpenPhoneux are and what makes them different. We define: * GTA*: the next generation motherboard(s), i.e. electronics * OpenPhonux: the future independent mobile handheld project aiming at complete devices (i.e. GTA04 + case + components) Currently, we run the domains www.gta04.org and www.openphoenux.org. The Openphoenux.org home page will be made more prominent and content rich soon. This is done to become independent from the OpenMoko brand and the www.openmoko.org domain whose future and fate is completely uncertain. 5. OpenPhoenux Community For the reasons mentioned above, we invite everybody to subscribe to http://lists.openphoenux.org/mailman/listinfo/community which we hope will become the new community for those interested in free and open and independent smartphone platforms. For some time there will of course be overlap, duplication and friction... But this new list belongs to a project that is active. After a while we may be able to close the gta04-owner list and switch over to openphoenux community. 6. GTA04 installation parties One more idea was triggered by the LinuxTag discussions: Who of you would be interested in organizing a GTA04 installation party in your region? Some member of the GTA04 core team could try to come and help installing the device, the display, the camera and also give some introduction presentations for software installations. Happy flying with the OpenPhoneux, Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Missing libmpfr.so.1 for building qtmoko on Ubuntu Precise Pangolin 12.04 64-bit
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Radek, Am 27.05.2012 17:34, schrieb Radek Polak: ../qtmoko/configure -force-build-qt -device neo if that helps. Thanks a lot! Now I get no configure errors. A make and make image are finishing without an error, too. :-) Now is the task to get this image to the Neo. The section in the wiki [1] points me to the trolltech documentation [2]. In the corresponding section [3] is written However, this option is device specific and not within the scope of this introduction. Can you please point me to an URL where I find an explanation of that procedure? My goal for doing this, is, to update the translation of qtmoko. Before posting the translated files to this list I would test them on my Neo. Thanks for any hint. Greetings, Carsten [1] http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/qtmoko/index.php?title=GITs#Running_on_Neo [2] http://doc.trolltech.com/qtextended4.4/running-qtextended.html [3] http://doc.trolltech.com/qtextended4.4/running-qtextended.html#using-a-binary-flashed-onto-the-device - -- Hier ist mein öffentlicher GPG-Schlüssel: http://daswaldhorn.piranho.de/gpg/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk/H1cYACgkQ6SlDN6cxaI6BOwCgmnNFQ+J+4n3E5p3Itj7oTz6G NGcAn2xgNvEoXVKHab+PNI9xxET/jtGU =XyCd -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
DVBT on GTA02
hi now that a major soccer/football event is coming up in Europe I was wondering if it is worthwhile to invest into a DVB-T usb stick so I would eventually be able to watch on the go... things which I think may render this impossible are usb 1 only cpu mem but if someone has given it a try or has more reasons why it would just not work, please let me know. robin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
