Re: [Community] OpenPhoenux Logo contest - Phase 2 (voting)
Hi all, I voted for 5, 7, 8 and 10. I liked nearly all logos, so i did choose by exclusion. 1 and 3 where nice eye-catchers, but i didn't find much relation to the project. Second may be a nice backround picture, but i think it's not scaleable at all. Number for droped out because of scalability, too. The sixth i liked, but i find it too nerdlike, reminds me somehow of startrek... Number 9 dropped out because i don't see a direct connection with the tux. This project is about free hardware, not software (despite the fact that we need software, too...) Proposal 11 i can't connect to the project well, too. Number five i choose because of its eye-catcher abilities. For scaling small one may have to use the phoenix alone, without the device and the whirls underneath. Number 7 i liked because auf it's simplicity. But i don't know, if i have seen something like that already somewhere. I think proposal 8 does connect at best with our devices. Maybe the broken chain should be symbolised a little bit more clear. The 11th i chose because it connects well to the fact that its about a hardware project, the symbol alone is nice to use at small scales and i haven't seen much symbols like that already (high recognizability) so far, my 2 cents... Thamos Am 14.01.2013 17:53, schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: Hi all, we are currently running a logo contest for the new OpenPhoenux umbrella project that intends to cover all old and new openmoko activities. We have received 11 proposals (and sometimes variants). You can now participate by judging the proposals. Please think about: • does it connect to the remains of the original Openmoko project (Phoenix from the ashes)? • is it eye-catching, easily remembered, unique? • does it show some orientation towards future? • does it carry a positive, inpiring, flying, pushing attitude? • does it tell about freedom openness? • do you feel that it represents your OpenPhoenux/OpenMoko community? • can it be recognized that it has something to do with wireless, portable devices (tablet, smartphone, gadgets etc.)? • does it look equally good in different sizes? Now please see yourself and submit your votes (up to 4 favourites): http://www.openphoenux.org/logo/ Please vote until Tuesday evening (15th Jan 2013, GMT). You may also discuss pros and cons as a followup to this mail. Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Community] OpenPhoenux Logo contest - Phase 2 (voting)
Voted for Proposition 2. Twice ) Very similar to the Debian. Thamos писал 2013-01-15 14:58: Hi all, I voted for 5, 7, 8 and 10. I liked nearly all logos, so i did choose by exclusion. 1 and 3 where nice eye-catchers, but i didn't find much relation to the project. Second may be a nice backround picture, but i think it's not scaleable at all. Number for droped out because of scalability, too. The sixth i liked, but i find it too nerdlike, reminds me somehow of startrek... Number 9 dropped out because i don't see a direct connection with the tux. This project is about free hardware, not software (despite the fact that we need software, too...) Proposal 11 i can't connect to the project well, too. Number five i choose because of its eye-catcher abilities. For scaling small one may have to use the phoenix alone, without the device and the whirls underneath. Number 7 i liked because auf it's simplicity. But i don't know, if i have seen something like that already somewhere. I think proposal 8 does connect at best with our devices. Maybe the broken chain should be symbolised a little bit more clear. The 11th i chose because it connects well to the fact that its about a hardware project, the symbol alone is nice to use at small scales and i haven't seen much symbols like that already (high recognizability) so far, my 2 cents... Thamos Am 14.01.2013 17:53, schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: Hi all, we are currently running a logo contest for the new OpenPhoenux umbrella project that intends to cover all old and new openmoko activities. We have received 11 proposals (and sometimes variants). You can now participate by judging the proposals. Please think about: • does it connect to the remains of the original Openmoko project (Phoenix from the ashes)? • is it eye-catching, easily remembered, unique? • does it show some orientation towards future? • does it carry a positive, inpiring, flying, pushing attitude? • does it tell about freedom openness? • do you feel that it represents your OpenPhoenux/OpenMoko community? • can it be recognized that it has something to do with wireless, portable devices (tablet, smartphone, gadgets etc.)? • does it look equally good in different sizes? Now please see yourself and submit your votes (up to 4 favourites): http://www.openphoenux.org/logo/ Please vote until Tuesday evening (15th Jan 2013, GMT). You may also discuss pros and cons as a followup to this mail. Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ubuntu / Firefox OS for Openmoko?
acceptable GTA04 price poll results: up to 300 euro - 22% up to 400 euro - 48% up to 500 euro - 15% up to 600 euro - 15% Total votes: 27 It would be nice to find a sponsor (fosdem2013 conference), which will be able to to compensate GTA04 price difference with the desired ~400 euros (for whom 13 voted)..!? Yury Sakarinen писал 2013-01-12 12:13: Let's count GTA04 interest and preferences: http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=50f115aae4b04de5024b172e Bob Ham писал 2013-01-12 01:23: On Fri, 2013-01-11 at 20:43 +0100, Christoph Pulster wrote: The hardware GTA04 is based on one person (Nikolaus), the software QtMoko is based on one person (Radek). My daily cudos for both of them. But I am afraid we really need a broader basis of manpower. I think it's unfair to mention only Nikolaus and Radek. There are many people working to push the GTA04 forward: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=cornucopia.git;a=history;f=fsodeviced/conf/GTA04;hb=HEAD http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=meta-smartphone.git;a=history;f=meta-openmoko/conf/machine/om-gta04.conf;hb=HEAD https://github.com/neilbrown/linux/commits/gta04/mainline/arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-omap3gta04.c I don't think we necessarily need any more manpower. To say that is to say: I want people to do things for me. Indeed, we all want 1000 programmers to start working on FSO and QtMoko so that our phones become sweet bastions of freedom and coolness. Alas, there is only us. It is worth remembering that a factor in attracting programmers is the ratio between (1) how much effort we spend complaining about how few programmers the are and trying to attract more, and (2) how much effort we spend creating useful systems with a small number of programmers. Paradoxically, a focus on the latter is much more likely to attract new contributors. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ubuntu / Firefox OS for Openmoko?
Phoenix's Thirteen (c) Yury Sakarinen писал 2013-01-15 16:18: acceptable GTA04 price poll results: up to 300 euro - 22% up to 400 euro - 48% up to 500 euro - 15% up to 600 euro - 15% Total votes: 27 It would be nice to find a sponsor (fosdem2013 conference), which will be able to to compensate GTA04 price difference with the desired ~400 euros (for whom 13 voted)..!? Yury Sakarinen писал 2013-01-12 12:13: Let's count GTA04 interest and preferences: http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=50f115aae4b04de5024b172e Bob Ham писал 2013-01-12 01:23: On Fri, 2013-01-11 at 20:43 +0100, Christoph Pulster wrote: The hardware GTA04 is based on one person (Nikolaus), the software QtMoko is based on one person (Radek). My daily cudos for both of them. But I am afraid we really need a broader basis of manpower. I think it's unfair to mention only Nikolaus and Radek. There are many people working to push the GTA04 forward: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=cornucopia.git;a=history;f=fsodeviced/conf/GTA04;hb=HEAD http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=meta-smartphone.git;a=history;f=meta-openmoko/conf/machine/om-gta04.conf;hb=HEAD https://github.com/neilbrown/linux/commits/gta04/mainline/arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-omap3gta04.c I don't think we necessarily need any more manpower. To say that is to say: I want people to do things for me. Indeed, we all want 1000 programmers to start working on FSO and QtMoko so that our phones become sweet bastions of freedom and coolness. Alas, there is only us. It is worth remembering that a factor in attracting programmers is the ratio between (1) how much effort we spend complaining about how few programmers the are and trying to attract more, and (2) how much effort we spend creating useful systems with a small number of programmers. Paradoxically, a focus on the latter is much more likely to attract new contributors. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Community] OpenPhoenux Logo contest - Phase 2 (voting)
Hi http://www.openphoenux.org/logo/ Too bad I didn't read about that contest soon enough. Kudos to everyone who submitted a design! If the purpose is to brand OpenPhoneux as a commercial product, I think 6, 4 7 are the main ones that offer enough hooks (to generate stationary, visit cards,etc), without being too presumptious on the consumers taste. I dont think design should be democratic process, though its a Good Thing we can discuss it :-) $2c, *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Community] OpenPhoenux Logo contest - Phase 2 (voting)
Hi, Am 15.01.2013 um 13:48 schrieb pike: Hi http://www.openphoenux.org/logo/ Too bad I didn't read about that contest soon enough. Well, the idea to do that is just 3 days old... And time to get it printed until FOSDEM is short. Kudos to everyone who submitted a design! If the purpose is to brand OpenPhoneux as a commercial The idea is to get a logo for the OpenPhoenux.org community and the World of OpenPhoenux stand at FOSDEM. There, we plan a poster but found that we don't have a logo... product, I think 6, 4 7 are the main ones that offer enough hooks (to generate stationary, visit cards,etc), without being too presumptious on the consumers taste. I dont think design should be democratic process, Yes that is true. The voting is part of the opinion building and decision process but not the only factor. though its a Good Thing we can discuss it :-) Discussions and the reasons why someone prefers this or that is equally important. $2c, *-pike BR, Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ubuntu / Firefox OS for Openmoko?
Hi, Am 15.01.2013 um 13:18 schrieb Yury Sakarinen: acceptable GTA04 price poll results: up to 300 euro - 22% up to 400 euro - 48% up to 500 euro - 15% up to 600 euro - 15% Total votes: 27 Thanks for running the poll! It matches with our experiences, that a GTA04 costs more than the average price expectation is. I find it interesting that 15% find the current price (555 EUR) still acceptable and 30% would take it at 500 EUR which is not that far away (see below). So that are already 8 of us essentially waiting that we can produce. Most likely more, because not everyone did vote in this poll. On the other end, we can deduce that by getting down to 400 EUR we could get 3 times as much demand but aiming at 300 EUR would not raise it much more. Now comes the crucial question: how do we get down to 400 EUR? So the only way is to increase the number of units produced to get better purchasing prices (note that the current 555 EUR for the GTA04A5 board is already based on the assumption of 200 units!). The key question is if we really get 800 orders if we can get it produced for 400 EUR. And if we can save 150 EUR by going from 200 to 800 component sets. Unfortunately it does not look so. You can check at DigiKey and Mouser what a typical price drop is between 100, 250 and 1000 components. It would be nice to find a sponsor (fosdem2013 conference), which will be able to to compensate GTA04 price difference with the desired ~400 euros (for whom 13 voted)..!? Yes, that is a good alternative! But FOSDEM 2013 is crowded with projects looking for sponsors and I haven't met any sponsor there :( For completeness, let's calculate how much money we need. If all 200 units are to be sponsored down from 555 to 400 EUR, it needs 31k EUR. Well, no really much if someone can sell his fun car and take a bike :) One minor reduction we can provide from the project office is if someone buys 10 units, there is a rebate of 10% because that saves us a lot of logistics cost if it is paid once and shipped in one package. This makes the 555 EUR already read as 499.50 EUR. You remember the 10-packs GTA02? BR, Nikolaus Yury Sakarinen писал 2013-01-12 12:13: Let's count GTA04 interest and preferences: http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=50f115aae4b04de5024b172e Bob Ham писал 2013-01-12 01:23: On Fri, 2013-01-11 at 20:43 +0100, Christoph Pulster wrote: The hardware GTA04 is based on one person (Nikolaus), the software QtMoko is based on one person (Radek). My daily cudos for both of them. But I am afraid we really need a broader basis of manpower. I think it's unfair to mention only Nikolaus and Radek. There are many people working to push the GTA04 forward: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=cornucopia.git;a=history;f=fsodeviced/conf/GTA04;hb=HEAD http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=meta-smartphone.git;a=history;f=meta-openmoko/conf/machine/om-gta04.conf;hb=HEAD https://github.com/neilbrown/linux/commits/gta04/mainline/arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-omap3gta04.c I don't think we necessarily need any more manpower. To say that is to say: I want people to do things for me. Indeed, we all want 1000 programmers to start working on FSO and QtMoko so that our phones become sweet bastions of freedom and coolness. Alas, there is only us. It is worth remembering that a factor in attracting programmers is the ratio between (1) how much effort we spend complaining about how few programmers the are and trying to attract more, and (2) how much effort we spend creating useful systems with a small number of programmers. Paradoxically, a focus on the latter is much more likely to attract new contributors. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
