Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-10 Thread EdorFaus

On 10/09/2013 08:10 PM, Bob Ham wrote:

On Sun, 2013-10-06 at 08:42 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:

1. you are talking about "open SOURCE hardware" (which I call "free hardware")


No.  I've explicitly refrained from distinguishing between such labels
because I'm aware that they are not as well defined in the domain of
hardware as they are in the domain of software.


As far as I have been able to tell, you have been arguing the entire 
time from the position that the terms *are* well defined, and that 
therefore the project should be using those definitions.


Now you are suddenly saying that the terms *aren't* well defined, which 
is a contradiction of that position.


This appears to me to be either an admission that your position is 
incorrect, or an admission that you are being hypocritical (like you 
accused Nikolaus of being).



(Note also that you just admitted that you can't use arguments from the 
software domain, since you said that it has different definitions of the 
terms than the hardware domain does (even if they're similar). This 
holds even if you argue that the "as" in "as well" is important.)



On 10/09/2013 08:23 PM, Bob Ham wrote:

And the next day, when you've found an old definition that accords with
your view, suddenly that one definition would have obviated any
discussion.


I understood that as being not because *he* needed such a definition to 
follow, but because it appears that *you* do. Basically, that you 
apparently want everybody to follow a known definition, and this shows 
that they are - which could have saved us a lot of this thread (assuming 
you accepted the definition as a valid one, and aren't arguing just to 
argue).


(Disclaimer: I haven't actually read that definition (yet), just going 
by what I've seen in this thread.)


I also don't really see the contradiction you claim is present in the 
out-of-context snippets you posted, but that might just be me.


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Regards,
Frode Austvik

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Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-10 Thread Maelvon HAWK

# settrans r...@settrans.net -f -R -S

Or,

The thread is very interesting, but it seems that's Bob will never 
change is point of view. Nicolas is open to discussion, and is also 
working on the Gta project, I don't think that Bob is ready to do one 
step forward before having all the spec, plans, pdfs, cad files in the 
format he want, and working on the projects, just telling is point of 
view by mail.


But before winning the "Godwin point" in this thread, perhaps the best 
solution is to organise a face to face meeting between Bob and Nikolaus 
to discuss. A mail thread is never a discussion, but the explanation of 
points of view.


Crownfunding a meeting between Bob and Nikolaus can be a solution?

Maelvon HAWK

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