Re: moko13 firmware

2017-10-13 Thread Mychaela Falconia 
Stefan Monnier  wrote:

> Why would someone do that?  I mean this as a real technical question:
> what is the difference between 2G and 3G which would cause someone to
> take a stand against 3G?

The difference is that for GSM/2G there exists a practically usable
implementation whose source code you are free to study and improve,
running on hardware whose electrical schematics and even physical PCB
design are published, consisting of chips whose detailed register-level
documentation is also published, without any restricted boot mechanisms
to block you from running your own firmware, i.e., a completely
transparent glass box implementation with full end user empowerment in
terms of understanding and improvement.  Absolutely nothing of this
sort exists for 3G or 4G or newer, or for any of the non-GSM
technologies (CDMA etc) that are also called 2G in marketing terms.

M~

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Re: moko13 firmware

2017-10-13 Thread Stefan Monnier 
> And how many people have responded to this shutdown plan by taking a
> vow to live without any cellphone at all instead of accepting 3G/4G
> when such shutdown happens?

Why would someone do that?  I mean this as a real technical question:
what is the difference between 2G and 3G which would cause someone to
take a stand against 3G?


Stefan "who doesn't want to use cell-phone technology and limits
itself to wifi instead, where it's harder to track you
from a central location"


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Re: moko13 firmware

2017-10-13 Thread Bob Ham 

On 2017-10-12 17:42, Mychaela Falconia wrote:

Bob Ham  wrote:


then

   the FreeCalypso firmware is not based on OM's historical 
firmwares.


Therefore, the statement regarding the recently released moko13
firmware update was not false.


The person I was refuting did not say that the new fw is not based on
OM's historical fw, he said that it is not based on "the original
licensed firmware for Openmoko devices".  A reasonable interpretation
of that "original licensed fw" phrase is "firmware which TI licensed
to OM"


A reasonable interpretation of this situation is that your reasonable 
interpretation of the words of the person you were refuting, is a 
misinterpretation.  That is, you misunderstood what they meant.  It's 
not a big deal.


--
Bob Ham 

for (;;) { ++pancakes; }

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