Re: MiniOne

2008-03-06 Thread Christian Eddie Dost

If you read the update to the quoted article of Heise-online it says
that the Meizo booth was reopened later that day and the Meizo MiniOne 
was on display again. The whole issue was about an MP3 player by Meizo,

not the MiniOne.

See you,
Eddie C. Dost

Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:


Am 06.03.2008 um 10:41 schrieb Gabriel Ambuehl:


On Thursday 06 March 2008 09:57:22 Mario Wewer wrote:

Hello community,

does anyone of you already have a Meizu MiniOne Phone?


You mean it's *not* vapor ware but actually for sale?


There was a note on the German online magazine Heise-online that the 
German tax and duties authorities have confiscated all Meizu MiniOne 
devices during CeBIT because of patent infringement issues:


http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/104558

And before you ask: yes, this is possible and legal. A company who has a 
patent in Europe can ask the tax authorities to confiscate infringing 
hardware as product piracy *when they are imported and enter the 
European Union*. In the case of CeBIT it is much simpler to wait until 
the manufacturer shows everything on their booth, than trying to find 
something in the baggage of the exhibitor's staff at the airports.


The importer must then show proof that he has valid licenses and has 
paid any relevant fees. If he has or does not infringe patents, he can 
ask the original company who has done this for compensation (i.e. damage 
in image, loss of revenue and customers). The latter point shows that 
the patent owners must be quite sure what they do (or have enough 
money). But this all takes time and CeBIT has already closed its doors.


The same has happened several times for MP3 players in previous years.

Basically all this is a service that one gets by having a patent and 
paying the patent fees. He can ask taxduty authorities for help to 
protect against infringing imports.


So my conclusion is: it is not vapor because these devices exist - but 
they can't be sold or imported legally into the EU.


Nikolaus

___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


--
___brainaid_
Eddie C. Dost   Rue de la Chapelle 51  phone +32 87 788817
B-4850 Moresnetfax   +32 87 788818
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Belgiumcell  +49 172 9312808

___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


Re: digital compass modules

2008-01-23 Thread Christian Eddie Dost

You cannot calculate North (or any Heading) from Accelerometer data.

You need a 3D Gyroscope (or 3 Gyros on 3 orthogonal axis). With this
you can detect the orientation of the gyro relative to earth's 
rotational axis, and calculate gyroscope north from that. This is

the same as true north if the device does not move. If the device
moves, you need to compensate for the motion, this can be done using
latitude and speed over ground from GPS.

You can, however, calculate north from the data of two GPS antennas
about 1 meter apart, if you throw the *raw* data at a smart enough DSP.
But this has to be raw data, not filtered NMEA output.

There are devices using either concept available if you search the web,
but this is mainly high-end equipment worth 50 Neos or more. Mostly used
in Mil applications.

I once found a small device with GPS, Gyro and Accelerometer inside a
box the size of the Neo, for use in robotics or remote controlled
vehicels. But even this would sell for the price of 3-4 Neos.

The Gyroscopes need to be quite exact to get a reasonable north heading,
with toy Gyros you can probably better estimate north from azimuth of
the sun.

I hope this explains a little, just some thoughts I wanted to share, 
because I looked into this stuff some time ago.


Fair winds,
Eddie


Denis wrote:

I think the accelerometers don't provide enough accuracy.

2008/1/23, joerg [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

Am Mi  23. Januar 2008 schrieb Tilman Baumann:

François TOURDE wrote:

Maybe the 3D accels can do that. And the GPS can be used as a bearing
indicator, when you move. No magnetic device needed in this case.

As stated in prev posting, GPS _can_not_ deliver bearing of device at all.
Imagine having the GTA in your pocket while moving - there's not the
faintest
relation between movement vector as seen by GPS and bearing of GTA.


Gyroscopes is what you look for. ;)
Accelerameters don't see rotational movings.

Though gyro won't help here at all, i think TWO 3D-accelerometers placed
some
distance from each other in a system make a nice gyro with the aid of some
mathematics in driver. IIRC there was mentioned more than one acc-meter for
the GTA. I thought that's exactly for this purpose.

jOERG

___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community



___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community


--
___brainaid_
Eddie C. Dost   Rue de la Chapelle 51  phone +32 87 788817
B-4850 Moresnetfax   +32 87 788818
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Belgiumcell  +49 172 9312808


___
OpenMoko community mailing list
community@lists.openmoko.org
http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community