Re: OpenBmap
Alex (Maxious) Sadleir wrote: On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi mailto:ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: [...] I did a big upload yesterday (52 log files) and unfortunately I let it delete the processed ones (After the Successfully uploaded (52) log files dialog). Unfortunately because I haven't seen my username(lambdacomplex)/cells on the stats page or the twitter or on the map yet so I worry they have been lost in the abyss. Does it say anywhere what the delay/process is to get the cells onto the maps? in tour $HOME/.openBmap/Logs, i think there's an archive directory (ProcessedLog or similar). Chris The website could use some more features like that - some way to login to be able to change/recover your password and a way to see what you've uploaded. Cellhunter of course gives you instantanious confirmation in the form of points ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery ID chip - help needed
Risto H. Kurppa wrote: On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Christoph Pulsteropenm...@pulster.de wrote: Openmoko, please can you release relevant infos or chips, so we can built high-power batteries ? +1 According to the schematics of the FR, the ID line of the battery is not connected to anything (R1769 is marked NC). I checked my FR rev A6 (from your shop Christoph!;)), and this resistor is not populated. So it means the ID line of the battery is definitely not used. Now I'm not saying it is safe to use whatever battery, i'm just saying that the power management chip (the PCF 50633) is not able to read any information out of the battery you fit in your FR (like battery ID, serial number, etc...). I would say that as long as you use a 3.7V single-cell Li-ion battery that has built-in protection, it should be safe to test with your FR. The only drawback you'll get is a longer charging time. not-really-sure The FR is designed/programmed to charge at 500mA max. It should be possible to change the charging rate in software (u-boot and/or kernel), or perhaps by doing some HW mods. /not-really-sure I'm not a battery expert, complementary information welcome! According to the FR battery page [1], they say that FR use a smart battery (model number CT-GTA02 [2]) but i can tell you that i don't have such a thing in my phone, i actually have a battery marked Model: GTA02, which is definitely not a smart battery (it has only 3 pins), this battery correspond more to what's describe on the Neo battery page [3]. Moreover, the schematics of the FR show that it use only 2 signals of the battery: V+ and V-. Chris [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Battery [2] http://people.openmoko.org/tony_tu/GTA02/hardware/GTA02/CT-GTA02.pdf [2] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Battery r ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery ID chip - help needed
Paul Fertser wrote: Christian Gagneraud cgagner...@techworks.ie writes: According to the FR battery page [1], they say that FR use a smart battery (model number CT-GTA02 [2]) but i can tell you that i don't have such a thing in my phone, i actually have a battery marked Model: GTA02, which is definitely not a smart battery (it has only 3 pins), this battery correspond more to what's describe on the Neo battery page [3]. Moreover, the schematics of the FR show that it use only 2 signals of the battery: V+ and V-. The third terminal is used by a bit-banging HDQ driver which communicates with bq27000 chip integrated in battery. And it works for sure, though probably some eeprom values that should be factory-programmed are not optimal. Hi Paul, Absolutely true! I didn't spot it on the schematics. Next time i'll check twice before writing emails! ;) Thanks, Chris ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery ID chip - help needed
Laszlo KREKACS wrote: On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:04 PM, Christian Gagneraudcgagner...@techworks.ie wrote: According to the schematics of the FR, the ID line of the battery is not connected to anything (R1769 is marked NC). I checked my FR rev A6 (from your shop Christoph!;)), and this resistor is not populated. So it means the ID line of the battery is definitely not used. Now I'm not saying it is safe to use whatever battery, i'm just saying that the power management chip (the PCF 50633) is not able to read any information out of the battery you fit in your FR (like battery ID, serial number, etc...). I dont think it is true. Openmoko's battery is special, it includes a coulumb counter. And the battery indicator relies on it. So inserting a nokia BL-5C battery is not complete solution. (because it lacks the coulomb counter), and freerunner cant charge it (currently) and cant display the remaining capacity. The best person to ask are jOERG or Werner. They usually hangs on #openmoko-cdevel and are very helpful people. The FR is designed/programmed to charge at 500mA max. It should be It is not true either. 1. Freerunner identifies the charger with a magic 47kOhm resistance between D+ and D- line. If the resistance is present it charges with 1000mA. 2. If the usb enumeration was successful it charges with 500mA (so connecting to a computer charges with 500mA). 3. If none of the above happens, it defaults to 100mA. Hi Laszlo, You right, i was not sure if it was 500mA or 1A max. that's why i did enclose my comments in between not-really-sure tags. Anyway, 1A being the best-case charging current, it will still take longer to charge a 2100mAh battery than a 1200mAh. (roughly 2 times longer i guess) Chris Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Cellhunter/OpenBmap
Christian Gagneraud wrote:
Hi all,
I'm using cellhunter since few month, with which i have gathered some
data (1646 cells so far here in Ireland) and uploaded to their server.
I would like to give a try with OpenBmap, is there a way to convert
data from CH to OBM and upload them to OBM server?
I know that OBM log more details than CH but i guess that CH's data
are still usable by OBM.
Generally speaking, what people think about these two project? And of
course the 2 billion euros/dollars question: Which one is the best?
Does the 2 projects collaborate, if not are there any plan to do so?
I did a comparison of what's get logged/store by CH, OBM and OCI
logger/database:
Cell data:
==
OBM CH OCI
timex x x
providerx
mmc x x x
mnc x x x
lac x x x
id x x x
signal (1) x x
arfcn x
type (2)x (3)
ta x (3)
c1 x (4)
c2 x (4)
serving x x
GPS data:
=
OBM CH OCI
timex
lat x x x
longx x x
alt x x
heading x
speed x
hdopx
vdopx
pdopx
Meta data:
==
OBM CH OCI
hwmanuf x
hwidx x
hwver x
swidx x (5)
swver x x (5)
login/pass/key x x x
(1) OBM: signal strength in dBM and rxlevel in % (?), CH: signal
strength according to GSM specs
(2) Network type: GSM, UMTS, HSDPA, ...
(3) OBM: only with serving cells
(4) OBM: only with non-serving cells
(5) Via HTTP agent when uploading
So finally, OCI logs basic information, CH a bit more, and OBM a lot
more.
Here is the compatibility matrix between the loggers and the servers
(database):
SERVER
OCICHOBM
L G OCI x
O E CH x x
G R OBM xx
Both CH and OBM loggers can be used to populate OCI database.
For CH logger to be compatible with OBM database, there's lot of data
that need to be added to the CH logger.
For OBM logger to be compatible with CH database, there's very few
data that need to be added to the OBM logger:
- provider: the network operator, as reported by fso.GSM.Network.g
getStatus() or Status() signal
- arfcn: current channel number, as reported by
fso.GSM.Monitor.Get{Serving,Neighbour}CellInformation()
And only one data is expressed in a different unit:
- signal strength: OBM use dBm and CH use a scale as per %EM AT command
So finally, it would be ideal to enhance slightly the OBM logger, this
way it will be universal in regards to the 3 databases. And this will
give the user the complete freedom to upload his data to whatever
database he wants (for example i would like to upload data to CH
server for the fun and still contribute to OBM because i'm convinced
of the higher quality of their data).
Some personal remarks (a bit OT):
- I was really surprised to see that CH logger use AT commands
directly (via fso.GSM.Debug), whereas OBM logger use plainly the FSO
interface.
- It's a pity that CH use signal strength in GSM scale, FSO use
percent and OBM dBm. There's lot of wasted CPU (and battery) around...
Chris
PS: I don't pretend that this analysis is accurate nor mistake-free,
so please correct me if i'm wrong somewhere.
Chris.
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Re: Cellhunter/OpenBmap
Stefan Schmidt wrote: Hello. On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 10:14, Sebastian Hammerl wrote: Christian Gagneraud schrieb: Sebastian Hammerl wrote: I've looked at opencellid.org website, and couldn't find any information concerning the database, how can a user access the data for example... there is an api documented at the homepage and you can download the raw data. I bet he has the same issue I still have here with Firefox 3.0.9. The link list is not viewable. Well spotted!!! :) Really, when i visited the web site, i thought it was just an empty shell (no information, no docs, no links, nothing...), and i said to myself They should rename their web site notsoopencellid.org! But with you trick, the truth appears to me! :) Thanks, Chris Try to mark all the text on the page with your mouse and you will discover those links. cellhunter ist not submitting to opencellid yet, because i have to prepare the data for that but it will happen. BTW, what will happen with the ARFCN informations then? regards Stefan Schmidt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Cellhunter/OpenBmap
Hi all, I'm using cellhunter since few month, with which i have gathered some data (1646 cells so far here in Ireland) and uploaded to their server. I would like to give a try with OpenBmap, is there a way to convert data from CH to OBM and upload them to OBM server? I know that OBM log more details than CH but i guess that CH's data are still usable by OBM. Generally speaking, what people think about these two project? And of course the 2 billion euros/dollars question: Which one is the best? Does the 2 projects collaborate, if not are there any plan to do so? Chris. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [q, fsot] howto dbus
arne anka wrote: that's maybe rather ot, but since i need it to program _with_ qt _for_ the freerunner ... short'n'sweet: has anybody a clear and usable tutorial howto write dbus apps with qt, notably registering an app to dbus and recieve dbus signals/events? say, as a plausible scenario, i want to subscribe to dbus and receive information about incoming calls (the same stuff zhone receives) ar make a call -- how do i go about? the stuff i found so far is to complex and has to little hands-on examples to use already existing infrastructure -- i am rather the type that embarks from small examples upon larger quests, not from reading lengthy texts and code which creates complete apps inclusive gui and all. Hi Arne, I tried some time ago to use FSO DBUS with QT-4.5, as i'm a new comer to qt, i've learned the basics with their online doc[1] and tutorials[2] and did googling a lot! Then i took a look at telepathy as a serious QT/DBUS real-life example. I tried to use their (telepathy) dbus proxy generator, but finally i gave up more by lack of time. The FSO XML specs has to be enhanced to ease the work of the generator... Anyway i will have to go back to this in few month as we will use FSO DBUS interface likely with QT in some incoming project within my company. If you find anything interesting about QT/DBUS/FSO, please share it! Have fun! Chris [1] http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/qtdbus.html [2] http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/examples.html#d-bus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3
Angus Ainslie wrote: Hi, [...] PS for the power users that would just like to do an opkg update; opkg upgrade it won't work. At the very minimum you will need to opkg remove -force-depends frameworkd paroli and then reinstall them ( and no -force-reinstall won't be enough ) Why do you say At the very minimum, what else is required/recommended? I would like to upgrade from testing 2 to testing 3, can you confirm that the following will work? opkg update opkg remove -force-depends frameworkd paroli opkg install frameworkd paroli opkg upgrade As well do i need to update the kernel and/or Qi? Regards, Chris ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone (0.20 - alpha release) Elementary based mplayer frontend
c_c wrote: Hi, Christian Gagneraud wrote: hum doesn't work with om 2009 can you post the error? Simple, mplayer and other dependencies are not in the default feeds (http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing) As already stated, i managed to install everything by following Kustomizer for OM2009 instructions (http://etherpad.com/zt3x1x7ERX) Chris Christian Gagneraud wrote: Thank you for your work, it looks cute! You're Welcome. @kimaidou - Here's the deb package. I haven't checked it on my phone (since I don't have debian) and I haven't added any dependencies cause I don't know what the packages are called. So can you tell me the full names of the following packages on debian ? -elementary (providing libelementary) -mplayer -sqlite3 http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2843962/intone-0.40.deb intone-0.40.deb @Marcel-2 - I'm not sure what you mean. I've made a deb package for installing intone on a debian system. I hope the latest versions of elementary are available for debian. This version needs the newer libraries. @Yorick Moko - You're using a distribution with the older libraries. The newer libraries use names like 'libehal-ver-pre-01.so.0'. I'll release a ipk for the older libraries soon. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone (0.20 - alpha release) Elementary based mplayer frontend
c_c wrote: Hi, Well, it took a lot longer than I thought - but finally - here's the alpha release of Intone - a mplayer frontend (for audio files - as of now) in C. Uses about 2% CPU (max) while running - memory goes up depending on your playlist - on my phone (~2500 songs) it uses about 15%. All you need to do is download the attached ipk and install it. Intone depends on sqlite3 and libelementary. If you have elementary on your phone upgraded to a level where the elementary test application shows you a demo of sliders and genlists, Intone should run on your phone. The recommended way to organise music is to put all the files in a folder (lets say Music), with sub folders named after artists (say Music -Eagles) and with sub sub folders holding albums (that becomes Music-Eagles-Hell Freezes Over-*.mp3). That way, Intone can correctly organise your music collection into albums. It automatically creates a default playlist containing all songs and individual playlists for each album. I have added features to manage playlists and albums - but there is always scope for improvement. Intone uses a sqlite database as a backend for the playlists and albums. That should, hopefully, give flexibility in adding more features later. Hi, hum.. stupid question: Where do you get the dependencies from? (mplayer, codecs, etc...). I'm using OM 2009 testing release 2. Thanks, Chris Things that don't work as of now :- 1. Feedback. - I haven't been able to add dialogs yet. So - wait a little while for Intone to finish long operations (like adding your music collection for the first time - my 2500 odd songs took about 6 secs - the button remains pressed too) 2. Dialogs for deleting stuff. It's safe - Intone does not delete any files - but it does delete tables(albums and playlists) - and it doesn't yet ask for confirmation. 3. Seek. Dont know how to use the slider for seeking. Any Ideas? 4. DBUS. - Haven't gotten around to learning edbus - so no occupy resouce CPU or pause on incoming calls yet. Will take some more time. 5. Album art and lyrics. - Don't yet know the best way to go about doing this other than downloading art from some retailers etc. Ideas welcome. 6. Toggle View. Not working yet. I intend having 2 more views - Album Art and Lyrics. I'm also looking at adding support for the button that the standard handsfree has - as a volume control (3 preselcted levels in rotation) or to go to next song (1 click) and prev song (2 clicks). Any suggestions? Since I also have half a podcast manager built (which I couldn't finish in time for the competition) - I'm also looking at adding that support in the future. Feedback Required 1. Bug reports. 2. Artwork - Ideas / png's / whatever 3. Elementary help. I have a lot of questions. Here are a few :- a) How do I reduce the vert height of 1 entry in the genlist? Right now each line in the list is too high (almost 3 text lines high) - so I get only about 4 song names on the screen. Can I reduce the height to say 1.5 text line - 2 text line? b) How do I use the pager with a genlist? In my case the pager works - but it doesn't show the genlist - the buttons all show up though. c) Dialogs and progress bars. I know elementary doesn't have them - but can I make/have a simple ty solution for the time being? Oh! And I'm only adding .oga, .mp3, .m4a and wma files into the albums. Any other types I need to add? I'll upload the code to intone.googlecode.com soon. All feedback welcome. Thanks. intone_0.20_arm.ipk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone (0.20 - alpha release) Elementary based mplayer frontend
c_c wrote: Hi, Christian Gagneraud wrote: hum.. stupid question: Where do you get the dependencies from? (mplayer, codecs, etc...). I'm using OM 2009 testing release 2. Well, to get mplayer just do a 'opkg install mplayer'. mplayer includes all codecs it supports. hum doesn't work with om 2009, anyway, i followed the instructions at http://etherpad.com/zt3x1x7ERX, and now it's working! Thank you for your work, it looks cute! There is an optimised version of mplayer (by paulTT) if you have a lot of ogg files here.[1] This will reduce CPU usage by about 50%. [1] http://www.paultt.org/downloads/openmoko/mplayer_dev-SVN-r29155-4.1.2-tremor-low_armv4t.ipk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing Release 2
Petr Vanek wrote:
Hi Angus,
thank you for the info and hard work.
I have been testing paroli every two to three weeks (regularly i use
shr). today i have flashed the testing release 2 image and used it this
afternoon. the testing release seems to be full of new features. i
flashed it to nand, i use qi.
Paroli settings screen
- change illume profile ( paroli fulsscreen or illume )
great and worked, one can choose upon demand so this is good.
- GPRS settings
APN settings
enable or disable GPRS
got connected instantly, just worked., great. G indication for
connection is super. but i could eventually not get disconnected - had
to kill paroli and eventually reboot anyways
same, got connected instantly, and it displayed active, but if go
back, and go again to gprs i got this for the status:
dbus.Dictionary({dbus.String(u'registration'): ... and i can't even
disconnect...
I'm using paroli in the illume profile.
Apart from that, i get the G in the notification area, got connected
really quickly, resolv.conf and default route updated OK.
Cheers
- profile settings menu
ringtone volume
vibration on incoming call
message volume
vibration on incoming message
and others
- this needs to be enabled from /etc/paroli/paroli.cfg
as some features are still a little experimental
the setting app is good.
Tons of new feature's in the FSO framework
- Automatic timezones for mutlizone countries
- lots under the hood
check here to see all of them
http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=summary
Bugs fixed
Power button does not shutdown device
otimed sets timezone incorrectly in large countries FSO 389
Power status events ignored FSO 381
feeds are incorrectly set to unstable
interface is responsive and consistent. i quite like it but had to get
used to it... as i say i use it every now and then. i can imagine a bit
different theming but i am sure this will come and it's not a priority
now. i do like the one consistent application approach.
now issues:
the buttons are too small for fingers sometimes (delete on messages, +
to add a message etc.)
two times (huh, now again.. so three times) the tele crashed during
phone call (call did not get disconnected so i could finish it.) then
paroli restart or neo restart...
sending sms while off signal gave no error, but no sms saved as draft
so got simply lost...
operator name not displayed (did get displayed in illume shelf though)
sms receiving OK
the biggest issue (and this is what i was hoping would be solved) is
still the lng delay on call answer between pressing the answer
button and the ring stopping and caller getting through. i actually
lost one call on this.
i never really understood the time changing by pressing the AUX
button... and how do you set alarm time?
autosuspend although enabled did not work, autodim does work
Bugs fixed
Power button does not shutdown device
not for me :)
i still have it on so i can do more tests if necessary...
Petr
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Re: Solar charger (was Re: News Openmoko Shop Pulster)
David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote: Nevertheless we will move forward with the solar chargers :), maybe some one wants to use the neo in the deep jungle :) Yeah, why not! :) I never went to the deep jungle, but i like to make trips in the wild, with just my bike and my tent, and the solar charger is the only solution to keep my GPS up and running for several days/weeks. More seriously, what about making an announce email in a new thread (this thread of discussion is getting quite long), so that people can manifest their interest and propose some tests to be carried on the solar charger you have selected. I'm really glad we are going forward on this! Chris 2009/5/5 vale va...@gmx.de: i would look at dealextreme.com there are many external battery packs which are much cheaper! i have http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.9871 which really does not have 1mAh like it claims, but i can charge my freerunner about 1.5 to 2 times without problem and thats all i need. comes with mini-usb adapter and free shipping so its about: 14 Euros. There are many more on the website: http://www.dealextreme.com/search.dx/search.external%20battery You have to put freerunner to force fast charge with 500mA to load ... Greetings vale -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Solar-charger-%28was-Re%3A-News-Openmoko-Shop-Pulster%29-tp2708769p2791397.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Solar charger (was Re: News Openmoko Shop Pulster)
Daniel.Li wrote: On Mon, 2009-05-04 at 16:35 +0100, Christian Gagneraud wrote: latest news from factory. YL-S01: 26.47 USD 2400mAh/3.7V YL-S02: 20.59 USD 1800mAh/3.7V YL-S03: 10.00 USD 1350mAH/3.7V Hi Daniel, I use to use this kind of solar charger (a YB-E5008) during my last holidays (3 weeks in Iceland, by bike), and i can tell you that they are not suitable for smartphone. I couldn't keep my Nokia N95/8GB charged. When they say that you can charge your solar charger with sun light in 8/12H, it means actually 8/12h exposed under the sun light at its zenith, on the equator of the earth! By experience, i can tell you that you will need _at least_ two sunny days to get it charged properly (during which you took care of orienting the charger as the sun moves). Thanks for you info. And it's very useful. I found that YB-E5008 has only 3.6V/1100mAH. http://y-toshenzhentech.itm.com.cn/532951/solar-charge-yb-e5008-for-mobile-phone-mp34.htm Actually, i've looked inside my charger, and the battery is definitely a 2.1Ah. It looks like different manufacturer use same name for _almost_ the same device, yeah, almost... Well, I have to re-check it with factory before I buy one :) You have to be aware of these constraints as well: - You can't charge your phone while you charge the charger itself YL-S** series can charge your phone when the charger is charged with solar energy board :) - If the charger is not fully charge (the light is not green), it won't charge your phone, _at all_! Humm, I have checked with factory. LED of YL-S** series only indicates how much battery is left. And even it shows red, it can still charge the FR. Yeah, with mine i couldn't charge a N95, to tell you the truth i was very disappointed with this charger... 70%-100% Green 30%-70% Orange 0%-30%red Of course, I think we had better to test it. And I think you are right the higher capacity the better :) As well, i would advice to use a charger which has at least 2 times the capacity of your phone (FR has a 3.7V/1200mAh battery). On the 3 chargers you propose here, and the 3 chargers i've proposed earlier, i would be only interested in 2 of them:, the SC019 and the SC020, mainly because these are the only ones which has internal battery with a capacity = 3000Ah Yeah, I have checked with them again. They have larger capacity 3.0/3.5/4.0Ah wow, 4Ah, do you have any links? Chris But the price is a little bit higher. :) Regards, Chris ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Solar charger (was Re: News Openmoko Shop Pulster)
Daniel.Li wrote: On Mon, 2009-05-04 at 20:32 +0800, Daniel.Li wrote: On Sun, 2009-05-03 at 08:42 +0800, Daniel.Li wrote: :) Humm... I think I'd better let them to make a bid for small quantity. :D Sorry, I slipped. latest news from factory. YL-S01: 26.47 USD YL-S02: 20.59 USD YL-S03: 10.00 USD Hi Daniel, I use to use this kind of solar charger (a YB-E5008) during my last holidays (3 weeks in Iceland, by bike), and i can tell you that they are not suitable for smartphone. I couldn't keep my Nokia N95/8GB charged. When they say that you can charge your solar charger with sun light in 8/12H, it means actually 8/12h exposed under the sun light at its zenith, on the equator of the earth! By experience, i can tell you that you will need _at least_ two sunny days to get it charged properly (during which you took care of orienting the charger as the sun moves). You have to be aware of these constraints as well: - You can't charge your phone while you charge the charger itself - If the charger is not fully charge (the light is not green), it won't charge your phone, _at all_! As well, i would advice to use a charger which has at least 2 times the capacity of your phone (FR has a 3.7V/1200mAh battery). On the 3 chargers you propose here, and the 3 chargers i've proposed earlier, i would be only interested in 2 of them:, the SC019 and the SC020, mainly because these are the only ones which has internal battery with a capacity = 3000Ah Regards, Chris YL-S01 High solar energy of Single crystal silicon or polycrystalline silicon convert efficiency is over than 16% Solar energy board：DC5.0V/300mA Built-in rechargeable lithium polymer battery: 2400mAh/3.7V Input Voltage:DC5.0V-5.5V Input current: 800mA Max. Output Voltage: 5.5V,8.4V Output current: 700mA Max. Dimension: 138 mm×79mm×25 mm Peak power supplied by photocell:1.5 W charging time: about 6hours (by computer) about 8-12hours(by sunlight) Running time: about 2hours (discharging in 700mA) YL-S02 High solar energy of Single crystal silicon or polycrystalline silicon convert efficiency is over than 16% Solar energy board：DC5.0V/300mA Built-in rechargeable lithium polymer battery：1800mAh/3.7V Input Voltage：DC5.0V-5.5V Input current: 800mA Max. Output Voltage:DC5.5V±0.2V(unload) Output current: 700mA Max. Dimension：138 mm×79mm×25 mm Peak power supplied by photocell:1.5 W charging time: about 4.5 hours (by computer) about 6-10hours(by sunlight) Running time: about1.6hours (discharging in 700mA) YL-S03 High solar energy convert efficiency: over than 16% Solar energy board: 5.5V/80mA Dimension: 95×43×11.5mm High capacity build in battery: 1350mAH/3.7V \ Output voltage: DC 5.5±0.2V Input voltage: DC 5.0-5.5V Output current: 700mA max Input current: 800mA max Weight: about 55g charging time: about 3.5 hours (by computer) about 15-20hours(by sunlight) Running time: about 1.1hours (discharging in max.700mA) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Solar charger (was Re: News Openmoko Shop Pulster)
Konstantin wrote: matthias schrieb: If they really need a small quantity, maybe 10. How can I do with the rest of solar chargers, sell them??? :( I'd really like to buy one! Wouldn't it be great? An open handy powered with free and open energy!!! Damn, I'd like to buy 2 or 3! Same for me, i'd like to buy at least two. Chris Please, get them! I'm surely not the only one who would REALLY like to have such a thing! Am I? For the sake of statistics: I definitely want one, too! :D Cheers Matthias Regards, Konstantin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Solar charger (was Re: News Openmoko Shop Pulster)
Christian Gagneraud wrote: Konstantin wrote: matthias schrieb: If they really need a small quantity, maybe 10. How can I do with the rest of solar chargers, sell them??? :( I'd really like to buy one! Wouldn't it be great? An open handy powered with free and open energy!!! Damn, I'd like to buy 2 or 3! Same for me, i'd like to buy at least two. I've got a quote for the SC019, SC020 and SC021, minimum order quantity is 50: | SC019 | SC020 | SC021 --+-+--+-- price(USD)| 35.88 | 34.00 | 25.63 battery | 3.0Ah | 3.6Ah | 2.0Ah http://www.en-hancing.com/productDetail.php?id=78 http://www.en-hancing.com/productDetail.php?id=79 http://www.en-hancing.com/productDetail.php?id=80 Regards, Chris Chris Please, get them! I'm surely not the only one who would REALLY like to have such a thing! Am I? For the sake of statistics: I definitely want one, too! :D Cheers Matthias Regards, Konstantin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Solar charger (was Re: News Openmoko Shop Pulster)
Daniel.Li wrote: On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 14:58 +0200, Erwan de FERRIERES wrote: Daniel.Li a écrit : On Sat, 2009-04-25 at 17:00 +0100, Christian Gagneraud wrote: Daniel.Li wrote: In China, good. I'm looking for this for quite a time :) Thanks. If you find a place where to buy this product, please notify the mailing list, other people could be interested (hum.. like me for example! :p) Well, I have found them. But they haven't give me the price. they keep asking me how many I would like to order. and you keep answering them it depends of the price ??? :) price depends on quantity. I just wanna buy one, myself. But as a factory, they might be *NOT* interested in retail :( But I don't know if there is still anyone interested in it. Or there is any other device available to buy. I've read somewhere that the minimum quantity was 1000 pieces. That's why i proposed to Christoph to add this to his shop. Chris ../.. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Solar charger (was Re: News Openmoko Shop Pulster)
Hi Christoph, What about adding this product to your shop: http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/205706002/Fashionable_solar_charger.html This is a solar charger with internal 2800mAh battery that can output up to 1A. So it can be used to power *AND* charge a Freerunner. Didn't find any retail reseller for this exact model... Chris Christoph Pulster wrote: Our price of Freerunner GTA02 is 249 eur. Buying two units its 229 eur. I like to support two-person-communities AKA Openmoko-friends. Second we add a small english booklet to each order for free. http://www.pulster.de/engl/images/medium/handbuch-engl.jpg Besides you can add a free laserpen to any order: http://www.pulster.de/engl/images/big/laserpen-1.jpg have fun, Chris Openmoko Shop www.pulster.eu ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Solar charger (was Re: News Openmoko Shop Pulster)
Daniel.Li wrote: In China, good. I'm looking for this for quite a time :) Thanks. If you find a place where to buy this product, please notify the mailing list, other people could be interested (hum.. like me for example! :p) Chris On Sat, 2009-04-25 at 14:49 +0100, Christian Gagneraud wrote: Hi Christoph, What about adding this product to your shop: http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/205706002/Fashionable_solar_charger.html This is a solar charger with internal 2800mAh battery that can output up to 1A. So it can be used to power *AND* charge a Freerunner. Didn't find any retail reseller for this exact model... Chris Christoph Pulster wrote: Our price of Freerunner GTA02 is 249 eur. Buying two units its 229 eur. I like to support two-person-communities AKA Openmoko-friends. Second we add a small english booklet to each order for free. http://www.pulster.de/engl/images/medium/handbuch-engl.jpg Besides you can add a free laserpen to any order: http://www.pulster.de/engl/images/big/laserpen-1.jpg have fun, Chris Openmoko Shop www.pulster.eu ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
The Digital Pioneer wrote: I'm not sure where it gets the zone from, but if someone knows a way to sync from GSM without screwing up the TZ, I'd love to hear it. Hi, GSM can't be used as a time source, only as a zone source. That's what i understand when i look at otimed.py: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=blob;f=framework/subsystems/otimed/otimed.py;h=8f57a80667abaabc7b77bfdaa95d572a880602e8;hb=HEAD time sources: GPS and/or NTP zone sources: GSM Chris ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
