Experiences from a new user/owner and a question.

2008-08-15 Thread Dimitri Michaux
Hey,

I received my OpenMoko freerunner this monday and I played around with
it the whole week and this is my experience with it.

I didn't like the software that came with it (I guess that is 2007.2),
I just didn't like the look and feel of it. So I installed ASU on it
and that felt better, but it isn't quit stable. So I installed 2008.8
from the build host, these feel more stable, but can't seem to find
the installer on it ??? So, now I'm running Qtopia on it which just
feels much more mature and stable and makes the phone usable as a
'phone'.

Now, what is the best thing to do? I guess I would like to keep using
qtopia as long as 2008.8 isn't ready for every day use. But now my
question is: is which version should I install on the sd card? The
official 2008.8 release and try to update that or install the version
from the build host? Also updates don't seem to work (I have usb
networking and added a nameserver to resolve.conf).

And now I just want to say that is a really nice a good looking solid
feeling machine and I like playing with it :-)

Regards,
Dimitri

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I'm out of here.

2008-08-15 Thread Dimitri

Unfortunately, I've decided to sell my Freerunner on ebay.

I love the phone, but the firmware just isn't ready for general use, and I
lack the expertise to contribute toward the project.

Thanks to everyone who's helped me over these last few weeks.

Cheers.
Dimitri
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Re: full-keyboard for Om 2008.08?

2008-08-09 Thread Dimitri

I'm with you, Dirk. This qtopia keyboard just doesn't function right. And
switching .kbd files does nothing.

Flicking only toggles the different views of the keyboard, none of which
contain the enter or arrow keys.

(Since we're throwing out essential keys, why stop there? Let's remove some
letters too. I nominate the letter E.)

I reinstalled matchbox, and I see it trying to come on, but it immediately
gets cock-blocked by the qtopia keyboard.

If someone could please explain how to disable the qtopia keyboard, I (and
many others) would be most appreciative.

Dimitri


Dirk Bergstrom-2 wrote:
 
 DooD wrote:
 The files you need to edit are under
 /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards
 I believe there is a Full-QWERTY.kbd in there, just backup the
 Default.kbd
 and replace it with the Full-QWERTY.kbd
 mv Default.kbd Defaultbackup.kbd
 mv Full-QWERTY.kbd Default.kbd
 /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart
 
 I tried this, but I still get the standard keyboard.
 

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Re: 2008 WTF??

2008-08-09 Thread Dimitri

It's hard to argue with your points, since the phone STILL can't connect to
the internet *out-of-the-box*.

(Who wants to manually hack a dozen files, or install some guy's
half-working gui posted on some blog that requires google-translate to
read?)

Why the developers are spending time breaking things that were previously
worked (see ASU keyboard), rather than fixing what's broken and in desperate
need of fixing, is beyond me.

Is it a lack of leadership? For this aggressive undertaking to be
successful, it needs at least one person to prioritize, delegate, and lead
the other developers.

Is there such a person at Openmoko? If not, that's the problem. Having a
team of developers, without clear leadership, is akin to herding cats :)

D


ted braak wrote:
 
 I have real doubts about the some Quality Assurance aspects of this team. 
 Also I don't see real dedication and vision to get rid of bugs and produce
 something stable and usable. It looks like there is more effort in
 bringing us bling. 
 I think bling is something that can be created by the community itself. 
 
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can't connect to internet after ASU upgrade

2008-08-08 Thread Dimitri

I installed official ASU, but it can't connect to the internet (it connected
fine, prior to ASU upgrade).

To establish usb networking I run this script as sudo in Ubuntu:

#!/bin/bash

iptables -F
ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
route add 192.168.0.202 usb0
iptables -I INPUT 1 -s 192.168.0.202 -j ACCEPT
iptables -I OUTPUT 1 -s 192.168.0.200 -j ACCEPT
iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24
bash -c echo '1  /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward'


This allows me to ssh into the phone:
ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]

But after I log in, I try
ping google.com
and it says it's a bad address.

And if I go to the Installer gui, it says there's a problem with my network.

ifconfig shows the following:

loLink encap:Local Loopback
  inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
  inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
  UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
  RX packets:372 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:372 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
  RX bytes:30168 (29.4 KiB)  TX bytes:30168 (29.4 KiB)

usb0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 26:89:D4:D8:38:1C
  inet addr:192.168.0.202  Bcast:192.168.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
  inet6 addr: fe80::2489:d4ff:fed8:381c/64 Scope:Link
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:388 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:186 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
  RX bytes:46744 (45.6 KiB)  TX bytes:23237 (22.6 KiB)


I see a lot of RX/TX packet errors. Could that be a clue? What am I doing
wrong?

Dimitri
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Re: can't connect to internet after ASU upgrade

2008-08-08 Thread Dimitri


Daniel Benoy wrote:
 
 have you checked the default route?  The 'gateway 192.168.0.200' line in
 /etc/network/interfaces should be under usb0, and you should see it when
 you run 'ip route show' (default via ADDRESS dev usb0).
 

I think it's set up properly. I get the following when I run: ip route show

192.168.0.0/24 dev usb0  src 192.168.0.202
default via 192.168.0.200 dev usb0

And, I get the following when I run: cat /etc/network/interfaces

# /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8)

# The loopback interface
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

# Wireless interfaces
iface wlan0 inet dhcp
wireless_mode managed
wireless_essid any
iface atml0 inet dhcp

# Wired or wireless interfaces
iface eth0 inet dhcp
iface eth1 inet dhcp

# Ethernet/RNDIS gadget (g_ether)
# ... or on host side, usbnet and random hwaddr
auto usb0
iface usb0 inet static
address 192.168.0.202
netmask 255.255.255.0
network 192.168.0.0
gateway 192.168.0.200

# Bluetooth networking
iface bnep0 inet dhcp


Daniel Benoy wrote:
 
 If it's a freerunner, you may also want to consider getting it on a
 wireless network for simplicity's sake.
 

Under settings, it says WiFi but doesn't say on OR off. It's just
blank. And if I click it, it says WiFi   unknown.

Anyway... one problem at a time, right? :)

Dimitri
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Re: can't connect to internet after ASU upgrade

2008-08-08 Thread Dimitri

Thank you for everyone's help. Indeed, I was no longer able to connect to the
internet because of an empty /etc/resolv.conf

This script that was suggested worked perfectly:
http://svn.openmoko.org/developers/tick/Test_env_script_GTA02A5/setneo

Cheers.
Dimitri


Dimitri wrote:
 
 I installed official ASU, but it can't connect to the internet (it
 connected fine, prior to ASU upgrade).
 
 To establish usb networking I run this script as sudo in Ubuntu:
 
 #!/bin/bash
 
 iptables -F
 ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
 route add 192.168.0.202 usb0
 iptables -I INPUT 1 -s 192.168.0.202 -j ACCEPT
 iptables -I OUTPUT 1 -s 192.168.0.200 -j ACCEPT
 iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24
 bash -c echo '1  /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward'
 
 
 This allows me to ssh into the phone:
 ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 But after I log in, I try
 ping google.com
 and it says it's a bad address.
 
 And if I go to the Installer gui, it says there's a problem with my
 network.
 
 ifconfig shows the following:
 
 loLink encap:Local Loopback
   inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
   inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
   UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
   RX packets:372 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
   TX packets:372 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
   collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
   RX bytes:30168 (29.4 KiB)  TX bytes:30168 (29.4 KiB)
 
 usb0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 26:89:D4:D8:38:1C
   inet addr:192.168.0.202  Bcast:192.168.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
   inet6 addr: fe80::2489:d4ff:fed8:381c/64 Scope:Link
   UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
   RX packets:388 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
   TX packets:186 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
   collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
   RX bytes:46744 (45.6 KiB)  TX bytes:23237 (22.6 KiB)
 
 
 I see a lot of RX/TX packet errors. Could that be a clue? What am I doing
 wrong?
 
 Dimitri
 

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Re: ASU 2008.08 image

2008-08-07 Thread Dimitri

Same here. I thought the fake ASU was the real ASU, as clearly stated by the
wiki.

After installing it, I had all sorts of problems: USB wasn't working right;
it was very sluggish; it would crash within a few minutes... horrible.

D


Benedikt Schindler wrote:
 
 Rod Whitby schrieb:
 So whilst it might give an idea of what ASU might look like, it will
 certainly have lots of bugs and features (e.g. the FSO theme) which
 definitely are not in the image you get when you build from the correct
 branch.

 -- Rod
   
 we should editing the wiki then.
 because the wiki definitly saied that this should be the ASU (Om2008.8) 
 Image.
 
 ...
 
 But i have to say that everyone who looked after the ASU by the wiki was 
 directed to this fake-ASU.
 (or was it just me?)
 
 but i would say i wait until tomorrow before i complain something or 
 write something to the wiki
 
 Beni
 

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Re: ASU 2008.08 image

2008-08-07 Thread Dimitri

You misunderstood me.

NOW we know it was fake ASU. NOW. But 2 days ago, the WIKI said it was the
actual ASU. The error was in the WIKI, not with the people who followed the
WIKI's (now false) directions.

D


David Samblas wrote:
 
 If those who make ASU are telling to us fake ASU is fake ASU why do you
 think fake ASU is a real ASU?
 It seems a beta version of some kind of FSO more than a ASU. It uses the
 same wallpapers that I have saw in a FSO light image I have tested
 before on Qemu.
 So You want ASU? then wait until tomorrow anounce, is easy.
 El jue, 07-08-2008 a las 08:40 -0700, Dimitri escribió:
 Same here. I thought the fake ASU was the real ASU, as clearly stated by
 the
 wiki.
 
 After installing it, I had all sorts of problems: USB wasn't working
 right;
 it was very sluggish; it would crash within a few minutes... horrible.
 
 D
 
 
 Benedikt Schindler wrote:
  
  Rod Whitby schrieb:
  So whilst it might give an idea of what ASU might look like, it will
  certainly have lots of bugs and features (e.g. the FSO theme) which
  definitely are not in the image you get when you build from the
 correct
  branch.
 
  -- Rod

  we should editing the wiki then.
  because the wiki definitly saied that this should be the ASU (Om2008.8) 
  Image.
  
  ...
  
  But i have to say that everyone who looked after the ASU by the wiki
 was 
  directed to this fake-ASU.
  (or was it just me?)
  
  but i would say i wait until tomorrow before i complain something or 
  write something to the wiki
  
  Beni
  
 
 
 
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usb networking no longer works

2008-08-06 Thread Dimitri

I've flashed the latest 2008.8 images, and the script I was previously using
to connect to the phone via usb no longer works.

What I used to run (with 2007.2 images) was the following script as sudo in
Ubuntu:
--
#!/bin/bash

iptables -F
ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
route add 192.168.0.202 usb0
iptables -I INPUT 1 -s 192.168.0.202 -j ACCEPT
iptables -I OUTPUT 1 -s 192.168.0.200 -j ACCEPT
iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24
bash -c echo '1  /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward'
--

But now, it fails with errors. I ran it, line by line, the first line that
fails is

ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0

with the error:
--
SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device
--

What's going on?
Dimitri
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Re: usb networking no longer works (solved)

2008-08-06 Thread Dimitri

Sorry, I hadn't realized that the phone had shut itself off.

I'm feeling rather dumb, right about now. Sorry :)

D


Dimitri wrote:
 
 I've flashed the latest 2008.8 images, and the script I was previously
 using to connect to the phone via usb no longer works.
 
 What I used to run (with 2007.2 images) was the following script as sudo
 in Ubuntu:
 --
 #!/bin/bash
 
 iptables -F
 ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
 route add 192.168.0.202 usb0
 iptables -I INPUT 1 -s 192.168.0.202 -j ACCEPT
 iptables -I OUTPUT 1 -s 192.168.0.200 -j ACCEPT
 iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24
 bash -c echo '1  /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward'
 --
 
 But now, it fails with errors. I ran it, line by line, the first line that
 fails is
 
 ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
 
 with the error:
 --
 SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
 usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
 SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device
 --
 
 What's going on?
 Dimitri
 

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Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-04 Thread Dimitri

The warranty is essentially non-existent.

It's supposedly 14 days D.O.A.. Dead On Arrival, in its strictest
definition, means that as long as the phone boots up, that's it. It doesn't
matter if it's not really functional. As long as it boots up, it's
technically not DOA.

If it can't make phone calls or connect to the internet, too bad: it's not
DOA.

If the GPS antenna doesn't work right, because of a hardware flaw, too bad:
it's not DOA.

While I'm glad they're trying to put out a phone that's open, I'm very
disappointed in their lack of customer support. I mean, it's not some
throw-away piece of crap. It's a $400 phone!

I feel mislead by their marketing, which led me (and, from what I've been
reading, many others) to think that the phone was actually ready for both
developers AND regular folks. This, of course, is false, as it can't even
connect to the internet *out of the box*, and requires a ridiculous degree
of programming knowledge to even do so. (As a Java programmer with 10 years'
experience, I've finally given up trying.)

Anyway, I'm done complaining. Anyone want to buy a new Freemoko? I'll sell
it for $350 with free shipping to anywhere in the US :)

Dimitri


ian douglas-2 wrote:
 
 Sean/Michael/Community:
 
 It's been asked several times, especially regarding the GPS/SD fixes 
 and people ordering pico-farad capacitors and soldering irons ... I'm 
 hoping that at some point the squeaky wheel cliche will work itself 
 out and we'll get an answer.
 
 The boxes the Freerunners came in gave no information about warranty, we 
 need to hear from Openmoko about what exactly the warranty does cover? 
 My understanding of the warranty time limit is that single purchases got 
 a 14-day warranty, and group purchases were given a 28-day warranty, 
 but we've never been told what the warranty includes.
 
 I'd really like to outline some of this on the wiki since we're cleaning 
 it all up, etc., and since few users will ever search the mailing list 
 archives anyway.
 
 Will it include any recall/repairs needed to fix the GPS/SD problems at 
 a hardware level?
 
 Thanks,
 Ian
 

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Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

2008-08-04 Thread Dimitri

I'm just venting steam. I'm not entirely unhappy with the phone: just a
little frustrated, since I'm having a hard time justifying the purchase with
my wife... not to mention my iPhone-loving friends.

There were a number of sites, like Engadget and a few others, that were
essentially implying that the Freerunner was ready for general use (as
opposed to the Neo1973, which was strictly a developer's phone).

So, I enthusiastically ordered it, only to realize that it's still, very
much, a developer's phone. And not just a developer's phone, but a *super
hardcore* developer's phone.

I wouldn't mind learning to program for it, but even that's hard to do,
since there are a handful of competing openmoko software architectures that
aren't really interoperable.

Anyway, I guess I'll wait for the software to catch up to the hardware.
Meanwhile, I'll keep it tucked away in the closet.

Dimitri


Steven Kurylo wrote:
 
 I feel mislead by their marketing, which led me (and, from what I've been
 reading, many others) to think that the phone was actually ready for both
 developers AND regular folks. This, of course, is false, as it can't even
 connect to the internet *out of the box*, and requires a ridiculous
 degree
 of programming knowledge to even do so. (As a Java programmer with 10
 years'
 experience, I've finally given up trying.)
 
 I haven't seen anyone say the phone would be ready for regular user.
 I tell people don't even expect to make reliable phone calls.
 
 Though I think they should have put a big warning page during the
 purchasing process before it takes your credit card, so no one would
 have an excuse to complain.
 
 Sorry that its not for you yet.
 

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Re: PyGTK- installation?

2008-08-03 Thread Dimitri

I was able to install it, a few days ago, by typing this in the terminal:

opkg install python-pygtk

D


Arne Zachlod wrote:
 
 Hello!
 
 i want to install some software and need PyGTK for this. i have 2 
 questions: why isn't it in the repos anymore? and has anyone a build for 
 me? this would be very nice, because i don't have a mokoMakefile thanks 
 a lot,
 
 Arne
 
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Which ATT data plans are compatible?

2008-07-29 Thread Dimitri

I've set up an ATT pay-as-you-go plan, and I'm able to send/receive calls and
text messages.

(I had to wiggle the sim card for the phone to recognize the att network: a
hardware flaw that's been discussed to death.)

Which ATT data plans are compatible with the Freerunner?

There's a ton of them available, with radically different pricing for
unlimited.

I see names like PDA Personal, MediaNet, DataConnect, and a bunch of
others.

Which ATT data access plans are compatible with Openmoko?

D
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Re: Which ATT data plans are compatible?

2008-07-29 Thread Dimitri

Ian,
When you say GPRS data transfer is still being worked on does that mean it
doesn't currently work?

I ask because my ATT pay-as-you-go plan has MediaNet data access included,
for $.01 / kb.

But if I try to connect to a web page, it won't connect. (Using my local
WiFi or USB connection, it connects fine.)

Could it be an issue with my 3g blazing sim? I would guess no, since it
works just fine when making/receiving calls and text messages.

Dimitri


ian douglas-2 wrote:
 
 You'll probably need the PDA Personal plan, that's what they recommend
 to smartphone users, which the Freerunner will qualify as, in their
 opinion.
 
 But GPRS data transfer is still being worked on, so hold off paying the
 $30/month for unlimited data just yet.
 
 -id
 
 Dimitri wrote:
 Which ATT data access plans are compatible with Openmoko?
 

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RE: Which ATT data plans are compatible?

2008-07-29 Thread Dimitri

Josh,
Not sure if that question was directed to me or Ian. I assume Ian, but maybe
I can take a stab at it.

Unless I'm completely misunderstanding, you're asking if it's possible to
create an SSH connection to your phone via a wireless network?

I can do that, if my phone is connected to my home wireless network.

As I recall, on my Ubuntu box, if my phone is connected to my wireless
network (via the lint-wifi gui, for example), I can see it on my Ubuntu box
by going to Places  Network. I can then sftp into the phone.

But this may not be what you're asking for.
Dimitri


Josh Monson wrote:
 
 Excuse me if I have missed previous posts on this...
 
 Is it possible to ssh to your phone over public IP space yet?
 
 With the ability then to setup a webserver, ftp site, or something
 similar?
 
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Re: GSM detection/identification

2008-07-29 Thread Dimitri

Are you able to make and receive calls?

If not, perhaps the sim isn't touching all the phone's connections.

At least, that's the problem I had when I tried to connect to ATT. It would
show that I had 5 bars, but it would always say Registering

I was able to wiggle the sim a little, reboot the phone, and have it
properly connect to the ATT network (i.e., it changed from Registering...
to ATT and I was able to make/receive calls and text messages).

D
 

Paul Buede wrote:
 
 So, I picked up a tmobile sim, and signed up with them (I have another
 week to cancel), and so the phone registers with tmobile.  I am finding
 the coverage isn't great in the rural areas I find myself.  When driving
 around, if out of reach of tmobile, it will say registering as if
 there is no sim card.  But, on the little image of the antenna, that
 shows how strong my connection is, I still have 2 bars.  Is that a bad
 guage of connectivity?  Is it wrong?  Or does that maybe tell me that it
 has 2 bars of strength with some sort of other gsm network?  Is there a
 way I can query the phone from the cli to have it show me the different
 carriers it can sense network for?  I am interested in running a little
 cron to pipe all carriers it detects into a file every minute as I drive
 around the countryside, so I can see  who i will get the best coverage
 with.
 
 Thanks
 

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RE: Which ATT data plans are compatible?

2008-07-29 Thread Dimitri

And, of course, you asked to SSH into your phone, not sftp. D'oh.

In this case, using lint-wifi's status tab, you can see what IP your router
has assigned to your phone, then open a terminal window and type:
ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] for your device]
leave the password empty

D


Dimitri wrote:
 
 Josh,
 Not sure if that question was directed to me or Ian. I assume Ian, but
 maybe I can take a stab at it.
 
 Unless I'm completely misunderstanding, you're asking if it's possible to
 create an SSH connection to your phone via a wireless network?
 
 I can do that, if my phone is connected to my home wireless network.
 
 As I recall, on my Ubuntu box, if my phone is connected to my wireless
 network (via the lint-wifi gui, for example), I can see it on my Ubuntu
 box by going to Places  Network. I can then sftp into the phone.
 
 But this may not be what you're asking for.
 Dimitri
 
 
 Josh Monson wrote:
 
 Excuse me if I have missed previous posts on this...
 
 Is it possible to ssh to your phone over public IP space yet?
 
 With the ability then to setup a webserver, ftp site, or something
 similar?
 
 cheers
 
 
 

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device only powers up on its own

2008-07-26 Thread Dimitri

Check this out:

My new Freerunner's battery is fully charged.

But, whenever I attempt to power it up, it refuses. Nothing happens. It
won't power on.

But, the instant I plug it in, via USB, it powers up on its own (without my
pressing its power button.)

It's not a battery issue, because I can instantly disconnect the USB cable
(the instant the phone starts to boot up), and it continues booting up and
operating normally. But when I powered it off, I have to reconnect it via
usb to power on again.

Unless there's a magic trick to turning on the phone, it's DOA as far as I'm
concerned. (I can't be expected to carry around a laptop, or a portable AC
power generator, to turn on the phone.)

Please advise.
Dimitri
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Re: device only powers up on its own

2008-07-26 Thread Dimitri

Thanks guys for responding so quickly. I didn't realize that I had to hold
down the power button for 5 seconds; I was only holding it down for maybe 3
seconds.

It boots up fine. Thanks again.
Dimitri

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