Re: community Digest, Vol 68, Issue 16
By the way, I don't have a debug board and I would prefer to not rewrite the uboot. The uboot on the device is the one intalled by FIC before I got it. It's from May.19.2007. From: Mike Montour [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:24:34 -0800 Subject: Re: Booting from SD Ortwin Regel wrote: The problem might be your u-boot version. Try this one: http://buildhost.automated.it/u-boot-good-for-sd-boot-r13_0_2632_0.bin It's what I've been using successfully. I never could get it to work with other u-boot versions I tried. SD-booting in u-boot was broken for several months but as of late January it is fixed (or at least worked-around; the root cause of the bug has not yet been identified). The link you posted will boot from SD, but it has other bugs that have been fixed in later versions. Regarding the original problem, it is likely related to the 2.6.24 kernel. The GTA01 SD-card driver was broken for a while. My understanding is that it is now functional, but that it is still configured to emit a large amount of debugging information. Things should work fine with a 2.6.22.5 kernel as long as you have the corresponding modules installed on your root filesystem. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bootin from SD
(Sorry for the previous digest reply..) On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Emre Turkay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, I don't have a debug board and I would prefer to not rewrite the uboot. The uboot on the device is the one intalled by FIC before I got it. It's from May.19.2007. From: Mike Montour [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:24:34 -0800 Subject: Re: Booting from SD Ortwin Regel wrote: The problem might be your u-boot version. Try this one: http://buildhost.automated.it/u-boot-good-for-sd-boot-r13_0_2632_0.bin It's what I've been using successfully. I never could get it to work with other u-boot versions I tried. SD-booting in u-boot was broken for several months but as of late January it is fixed (or at least worked-around; the root cause of the bug has not yet been identified). The link you posted will boot from SD, but it has other bugs that have been fixed in later versions. Regarding the original problem, it is likely related to the 2.6.24 kernel. The GTA01 SD-card driver was broken for a while. My understanding is that it is now functional, but that it is still configured to emit a large amount of debugging information. Things should work fine with a 2.6.22.5 kernel as long as you have the corresponding modules installed on your root filesystem. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Partitions
Hi folks, I see there are two 60Mb partitions on the device, one is mounted to the /var/volatile. 60 MBs seems so small for the root filesystem and I'm already having trouble. Is it really necessary to divide them? And what can I do to at least temporarily overcome this problem? Thanks, Emre Turkay ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo fast charge utility
Well, wrote it, using it ;) emre On Jan 1, 2008 12:56 PM, rakshat hooja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just saw this project on the open moko projects page http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/thunder/ It is a fast charge utility that allows the neo to fast charge with an AC -USB adaptor that can give a 500 Mil Amp output. Has any member manage to test it out yet? Thanks Rakshat ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Professional applications
Running vi on neo? Not recommended without a usb keyboard.. By the way, where can I get one ;) emre On Nov 30, 2007 5:20 PM, Frans Grotepass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, any person that actually took the time to learn (g)Vim will have no trouble agreeing that it is a professional tool, so that stands stands as definitive! ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: start writing applications - how?
There are python packages available on both the repository and in the compilation output directory, you can install them with ipkg. Practically you don't need any moko specific example or documentation (except gsm/gps related issues, in which case you need to look at the code and interact with those services through dbus). Just consult the python/gtk examples and your code will run on any platform including moko. You don't need to do anything for the screen size, gtk is handling them very good. You may, however, want to optimize your design for a 480x640 display, which is done in application specific way (i.e., placing buttons in an optimized way.) So, there is nothing stopping you ;) Scripting is easy, however support for developing C/C++ applications is a disaster. You have to have the ability to touch your left ear with your right hand's thumb, while standing up-down on the other arm and break the 100m Olympic record on running (or better have a seat at FIC) to be able to write those applications. About the development platform, no central documentation (even no documentation at all), no community support so far. There was an announcement on the list about a development framework as far as I remember, but I heard nothing about it again. Emre Turkay On Nov 12, 2007 11:34 AM, Andreas Jellinghaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the list I see next to no mails about people writing applications for moko. What would be the best way to start doing that? I'd prefer some script language over C or C++ by far. Has any script language been integrated into the openmoko default image these days, or would I need to install some ipkg files? Or even recompile to build my own package (something most people won't like, takes far too much time, cpu and disk space)? Are there any examples written in some script language that featuresimplys beyond hello world, such as being optimized for the neo screen size and to be used with fingers, or even gestures, or are optimized to use the least amount of battery / cpu / memory? are optimized to be used / unused (e.g. is it preferable to save state and quit and be re-started or should the application rather sleep and not use the cpu unless it is selected by the user)? or any example app using data shared with other applications such as the address book etc? or some application with example code for syncing data with a pc/desktop application? sure, I understand openmoko is new and has a long way to go, and I'm very happy about everyone contributing. but I'm somehow worried that I see no discussion about these issues, or only I want type of discussions, but not how can I? or what is done / what can I do? even if none of these features I mentioned are available so far, that would be fine for me, at least I would know where we are so far and what I can already do and what I can't. having more information what the current status is would be great. but maybe it is me spending too little time ont he mailing list and wiki, and I need to read up? in that case I'm sorry for waisting your time and will do so (still a few links would be quite welcome). Thanks for your help! Regards, Andreas ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtopia media player
Put .wav files in the sd card, (/media/card), and select the file in the documents application (the bottom right icon in the main menu). It doesn't play mp3/ogg files. emre On 10/8/07, KiM Jahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I want to know how I can play a file with the media player in qtopia? I found nothing in the media player where I can choose a directory or a file and dont found anything of a special directory where I must copy my files. Can someone help me? Greetings KiM ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Small menu bar
On 10/6/07, Kamisamanou Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/5/07, Emre Turkay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi people, The menu bar is too small, when using it with finger I have to click it with my fingernail (and I don't have a biig finger). Well, it works but it is hard. There's got to be a solution for it. What about keeping those 3 bottom buttons of the today application constantly there, like a gnome/kde/windows panel. If you think about loosing space, we can even have 2 visual profiles, one for finger and the other for stylus. Which could be switched by holding down a button of some sort? Exactly. It can even be automatic (if there is a way to detect the touch surface diameter) or through some kind of touch-gesture. When in the stylus mode a menu bar is shown and when in the finger mode the panel is shown. Anyone ideas about it? Thanks, emre ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Sayonara, Kamisamanou Burgess http://www.kamisamanou.net ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Small menu bar
Hi people, The menu bar is too small, when using it with finger I have to click it with my fingernail (and I don't have a biig finger). Well, it works but it is hard. There's got to be a solution for it. What about keeping those 3 bottom buttons of the today application constantly there, like a gnome/kde/windows panel. If you think about loosing space, we can even have 2 visual profiles, one for finger and the other for stylus. When in the stylus mode a menu bar is shown and when in the finger mode the panel is shown. Anyone ideas about it? Thanks, emre ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
cron
Hi folks, is there a cron like tool in the current openmoko applications? emre ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
webkit do_compile failed
Hi folks, After clean make update-makefile make setup make update make openmoko-devel-image I get the following error, any ideas? Thanks, emre NOTE: Running task 2688 of 3300 (ID: 1455, /home/emre/moko/openembedded/packages/webkit/webkit-gtk_svn.bb, do_compile) NOTE: package webkit-gtk-0.0+svnr25457-r25447: started NOTE: package webkit-gtk-0.0+svnr25457-r25447-r1: task do_compile: started ERROR: function do_compile failed ERROR: log data follows (/home/emre/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/webkit-gtk-0.0+svnr25457-r25447-r1/temp/log.do_compile.14313) | /home/emre/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/webkit-gtk-0.0+svnr25457-r25447-r1/temp/run.do_compile.14313: line 223: cd: /home/emre/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/webkit-gtk-0.0+svnr25457-r25447-r1//JavaScriptCore/pcre: No such file or directory NOTE: Task failed: /home/emre/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/webkit-gtk-0.0+svnr25457-r25447-r1/temp/log.do_compile.14313 NOTE: package webkit-gtk-0.0+svnr25457-r25447-r1: task do_compile: failed ERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting NOTE: package webkit-gtk-0.0+svnr25457-r25447: failed ERROR: Build of /home/emre/moko/openembedded/packages/webkit/webkit-gtk_svn.bb do_compile failed ERROR: Task 1455 (/home/emre/moko/openembedded/packages/webkit/webkit-gtk_svn.bb, do_compile) failed NOTE: Tasks Summary: Attempted 2687 tasks of which 2687 didn't need to be rerun and 1 failed. ERROR: '/home/emre/moko/openembedded/packages/webkit/webkit-gtk_svn.bb' failed ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
usb0 ifup/down requirement.
Hi folks, Although I have auto in the interfaces file for usb0, every time I disconnect/reconnect or turn on/off the device I need to type ifdown usb0 ifup usb0 for neo to connect to the device. Any ideas? Thanks, emre ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: usb0 ifup/down requirement.
Yep, using Feisty. Thanks for the information.
emre
On 8/15/07, Brian Brunswick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 15/08/07, Emre Turkay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi folks,
Although I have auto in the interfaces file for usb0, every time I
disconnect/reconnect or turn on/off the device I need to type
ifdown usb0
ifup usb0
for neo to connect to the device. Any ideas?
Thanks,
emre
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If you are using ubuntu fiesty, there's a bug where it fails to run ifdown
when the usb is unplugged.
This means it only works the first time after the system is booted.
Did I forget to put that on the wiki? I submitted a ubuntu bug report for
it. (package ifupdown)
/etc/udev/rules.d/85-ifupdown needs patching...
# This file causes network devices to be brought up or down as a result
# of hardware being added or removed, including that which isn't ordinarily
# removable.
# See udev(7) for syntax.
SUBSYSTEM==net, DRIVERS==?*, GOTO=net_start
GOTO=net_end
LABEL=net_start
# Bring devices up and down only if they're marked auto.
# Use start-stop-daemon so we don't wait on dhcp
ACTION==add, RUN+=/sbin/start-stop-daemon --start --background
--pidfile /var/run/network/bogus --startas /sbin/ifup -- --allow auto
$env{INTERFACE}
LABEL=net_end
SUBSYSTEM==net, ACTION==remove,
RUN+=/sbin/start-stop-daemon --start --background --pidfile
/var/run/network/bogus --startas /sbin/ifdown -- --allow auto
$env{INTERFACE}
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Re: Enter runlevel: ???
I'm writing the files in build/tmp/deploy/images. I've compiled it 3 times each time updating the local copy, so there are 3 openmoko-devel-image however there is only one kernel uImage-xxx. Are these files the generated files and I suppose the kernel isn't changed at these three updates so there is only one kernel. Am I right? Thanks, emre On 8/6/07, Thomas Gstädtner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for the blank mail (damn gmail! :) ). Here's what I wanted to write: Do you use a kernel matching your rootfs? Some modules seem to be missing - and probably this could be the problem. 2007/8/6, Emre Turkay [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi folks, I've written both the file downloaded from the buildhost my own moko makefile images to the device by using the dfu-util. It is stopping at some point in boot and asking to enter runlevel. The messages shown on the screen are below. It used to work, does anybody have any idea what is wrong? ... ALSA device list: No soundcards found. TCP cubic registered NET: Registered protocol family 1 Bridge firewalling registered pcf50606_work: INY2=0x40 INT2=0x00 INT3=0x00:SECOND Empty flash at 0x01eaa1d4 ends at 0x01eaa200 fork failed for JFFS2 garbage collect thread: 513 VFS: Mounted root (jffs2 filesystem). Freeing init memory: 112K udc: enabling fast charge PM: Removing info for No Bus:vcs1 PM: Removing info for No Bus:vcsa1 PM: Removing info for No Bus:vcs1 PM: Removing info for No Bus:vcsa1 INIT: Removing infor for No Bus:vcs1 PM: Removing info for No Bus:vcsa1 version 2.86 bootingPM: Removing infor for No Bus:vcs1 PM: Removing info for No Bus:vcsa1 PM: Removing info for No Bus:vcs1 PM: Removing info for No Bus:vcsa1 PM: Removing info for No Bus:vcs1 PM: Removing info for No Bus:vcsa1 Enter runlevel: _ Thanks, emre ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
imei number
Hi folks, Does anybody know how can I see the IMEI number? Thanks, emre ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: imei number
Thanks, I looked all over /dev/ ;) emre On 7/30/07, Shakthi Kannan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On 7/30/07, Scott Rushforth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At least on my phone, this was printed out underneath the battery, inside the case :) Just in case! I believe you can also use AT+CGSN. SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: projects of interest? - mebot
It looks nice, integration with RTM especially for the task-sharing functionality would be great. On 7/19/07, Justyn Butler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really loving this idea. I currently use RTM (rememberthemilk.com) for GTD - it has a great web interface. As soon as I can (won't be that soon) I'll start looking at how feasible a RTM plugin for Mebot might be. Justyn ps. sorry for all the acronyms On 18/07/07, Emre Turkay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm planning to use it to implement a GTD[1] utility. Imagine an application showing an action to do. There are three buttons, done (I've done it delete from the queue), defer (defer it to a later time), cancel (there is no need to do this anymore, or it requires further thinking). When any one of these buttons is clicked the next action item brought forward. Now, imagine, combining this with GPS. In this case, it shows me stuff I should do at home, when I'm home and stuff I should do at work, when I'm at work. Pop up my feed-reader when I'm traveling, etc. Consider there is a simple market-list application, in which I note the stuff I need to buy from market, time to time. When I approach to the market moko starts an audio alert and tells me to stop by the market to buy stuff. When I enter the market automatically pops up my market list. I'm thinking about a plug-in architecture so you can extend this idea as far as it goes, bugzilla integration, mail client integration, web browser integration, integration with an outliner/mindmapper, project planner, tomboy, etc. Every new plug-in will open a door to another cool idea. Started to write it a couple weeks ago, got a sourceforge account[2]. There is a very trivial demonstration application on subversion and as a tarball download. If there is anybody interested I would love to discuss. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gtd [2] http://mebot.sourceforge.net emre On 7/17/07, Daniel Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the projects of interest for people? I am interested in working on kid's phones. I have wanted a kid's phone that was not as brain-dead as the phones that are currently targeted at children. I like that the Neo1973 has a secure tether point. I want the phone to be tethered to my kid's backpack or clothing so it can't be lost or stolen. In terms of software, I want to work on GPS related things. It would be good to know where my kids are and when they exit certain zones, e.g., school. --Dan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: projects of interest? - mebot
I'm planning to use it to implement a GTD[1] utility. Imagine an application showing an action to do. There are three buttons, done (I've done it delete from the queue), defer (defer it to a later time), cancel (there is no need to do this anymore, or it requires further thinking). When any one of these buttons is clicked the next action item brought forward. Now, imagine, combining this with GPS. In this case, it shows me stuff I should do at home, when I'm home and stuff I should do at work, when I'm at work. Pop up my feed-reader when I'm traveling, etc. Consider there is a simple market-list application, in which I note the stuff I need to buy from market, time to time. When I approach to the market moko starts an audio alert and tells me to stop by the market to buy stuff. When I enter the market automatically pops up my market list. I'm thinking about a plug-in architecture so you can extend this idea as far as it goes, bugzilla integration, mail client integration, web browser integration, integration with an outliner/mindmapper, project planner, tomboy, etc. Every new plug-in will open a door to another cool idea. Started to write it a couple weeks ago, got a sourceforge account[2]. There is a very trivial demonstration application on subversion and as a tarball download. If there is anybody interested I would love to discuss. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gtd [2] http://mebot.sourceforge.net emre On 7/17/07, Daniel Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the projects of interest for people? I am interested in working on kid's phones. I have wanted a kid's phone that was not as brain-dead as the phones that are currently targeted at children. I like that the Neo1973 has a secure tether point. I want the phone to be tethered to my kid's backpack or clothing so it can't be lost or stolen. In terms of software, I want to work on GPS related things. It would be good to know where my kids are and when they exit certain zones, e.g., school. --Dan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: projects of interest? - mebot
Just created a wiki entry: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mebot emre On 7/18/07, Mickael Faivre-Macon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If there is anybody interested I would love to discuss. I'm sure willing to test it ... Me too Did you put it in the Wiki ? [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gtd [2] http://mebot.sourceforge.net emre ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Mickael. Coding an AI ! http://faivrem.googlepages.com/antbattle ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OPENMOKO.COM IS UP
How do you see their order tracking system? emre On 7/10/07, Jonas Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It took almost 29 hours for me, and meanwhile the ticket did not show up in their order tracking system either when I asked about it, so I sent a second order some 8 hours later, which immediately resulted in an email. I then had to cancel the first order when it finally came through.. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Color choice, etc.
I ordered one but later I realized that I didn't choose a color. And I see two different headsets, it didn't ask me about it either. Well, I guess the question is obvious. Is it just random, hehe? emre ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Oceans
First of all congratulations to the FIC team. Can someone enlighten us about which configuration (base/advanced) should one order? What is the use of the debug board? What cannot I do without it? Shall I be able to use it with GTA02 and later versions? Thanks, Emre On 6/28/07, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Starting July 9th, we will launch openmoko.com and start taking orders. We're going to have two configurations: Neo Base -- everything the mobile application developer needs to enjoy the benefits of the first freed phone, the Neo 1973: * Neo 1973 (GTA01B_v4) * Battery * Stylus * Headset * AC Charger * Phone Pouch * Lanyard * SanDisk 512MB MicroSD Card (2x) * Micro USB Connectivity Cable Neo Advanced -- everything the mobile device hacker wants to get down and dirty with the first freed phone, the Neo 1973: * Neo 1973 (GTA01B_v4) * Battery (2x) * Stylus * Headset * AC Charger * Phone Pouch * Lanyard * SanDisk 512MB MicroSD Card (2x) * Mini USB Connectivity Cable (2x) * USB Host Mode Cable * Debug Flex Cable * Debug Board v2 (JTAG and serial console) * Ruggedized Toolbox with shoulder strap * Guitar Pick (for opening case) * Torx T6 screwdriver The delays have been expensive for us and annoying for you. We've decided that instead of setting up a complicated return or tracking system to remember who gets a discount for GTA02, we going to give you _all_ a discount on GTA01. We're going to sell the Neo Base for $300. The Neo Advanced will be $450. GTA02 (AKA: The Mass Market Neo 1973) is on schedule to go on sale in October. It will have the following new hardware components: * 802.11 b/g WiFi * Samsung 2442 SoC * SMedia 3362 Graphics Accelerator * 2 3D Accelerometers * 256MB Flash We will sell this device through multiple channels. Direct from openmoko.com, the price will be $450 for the Neo Base and $600 for Neo Advanced. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Open Moko Themes
On 6/13/07, Peter A Trotter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the application is then used on a different form factor device you can simply produce a new SVG file. All the UI script and images are linked to the SVG. This also gives us a nice separation of people who are good at making things look good and those of us who know the loop preconditions / postconditions without even thinking. If openmoko is to deal with multiple different devices/resolutions this will be a key feature. I totally agree that openmoko graphics should be in a vector graphics format. Generate the bitmaps bigger for neo and maybe smaller for iphone, etc. Storing the generated bitmaps in .png or .svg files does really don't much matter. If .svg provides embedding bitmaps, why not. emre ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Making Neo Brickproof, was comments after reading Wiki
Hi folks, I would strongly support putting a no-way-writable ROM chip as this first level boot loader. If there is no such option, I really wonder what is my option if somehow it gets screwed up, other than the trash can? Is there an always working solution to reset my moko? Emre Turkay On 5/17/07, Werner Almesberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simon Matthews wrote: It seems to me as someone who designs and makes embedded devices (mainly using the Freescale MC9S12 processors) that you need another lower level bootstrap loader that is small, Ah yes, we've been through that idea as well :-) We rejected it, because we don't want to have yet more code duplicating functionality found elsewhere to maintain. Besides, it wouldn't be all that trivial, given that we don't have any simple interfaces. (Anything that needs a debug board or other fancy adapters doesn't count.) Also, there really isn't much difference between a few protected bytes or hundreds of protected kilobytes. We need an extra chip anyway, and if we want something reasonably small and modern, it'll have plenty of space. Thus there's no penalty in using it. But yes, the small loader approach works well enough in other contexts. I've used it myself. - Werner -- _ / Werner Almesberger, Buenos Aires, Argentina [EMAIL PROTECTED] / /_http://www.almesberger.net// ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
