Re: Why enlightenment?
1. Theming - it keeps resources low and alows us to do everything we want with GUI! Take shelf widgets as an example - you can change their look, even functions - like digital clock instead of analog - without changin the main code. I don't say it's not possible with GTK but it way more complicated. The edje file for illume is 5 lines of code. In a language where lots of code is in macro definitions that have no block constructs, so they have to be all on one line... or escape every line ending. I wont say it's better in GTK, but it not exactly trivial for E. - Gunnar ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Remote buzz-fix in Braunschweig or PULSTER? was: Re: Freerunner buzz-fix party in Braunschweig
Hi, I would quite like to have my FreeRunner fixed, but not at the cost of driving across all of germany. What about sending it to you (along with money for return shipping somehow)? There was discussion of this before. Alternatively - does pulster offer some buzz-fixing? I seem to remember reading about plans for this here before? Christoph? Cheers, - Gunnar Daniel Willmann wrote: Hello, there is now a date set for the buzz-fix party in Braunschweig (May 1st - May 3rd). Please put your names on the wikipage http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/BuzzFixParty#Braunschweig if you are planning to attend. Any other infos, location, etc. will be updated there. Regards, Daniel Willmann ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grimnes [AT] dfki.de DFKI GmbH Knowledge Management Trippstadter Strasse 122 D-67663 Kaiserslautern Germany Office: +49 631 205 75-117 Mobile: +49 177 277 4397 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buying a Freerunner
1. The phone selling for 299 on the main site, do es it have the bug fix? or might I still have that problem? From Steve recent email about getting the v7 through production I guess not. 2. the question is, what is the community's suggestion? those who already have freerunners, would y'all suggest I get one, if only to play with it and not use it as a phone? It'd be worth it just for the wifi. If the wifi is working right. I'm going to be blunt here: No. If you do not want a phone but a cool linux gadget with wifi, get a nokia n810. Afaik it can do everything the openmoko does apart from GSM. The openmoko has too many problems that are tricky to solve normally, and even trickier without a real company supporting them. For instance, from the recent graphics performance thread it appears the graphical performance of everything will remain sluggish forever. The suspend still seems to cause problems: missing sound, slow resume, GSM missing, etc. I wont sell my freerunner because I don't have time to play with it just yet - but I knowing what I know today I probably would not buy one now. Sorry openmoko inc :( - Gunnar ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Slashdotted
Nice posts Steve! This is what a community oriented company works like! Frequent, on-time, interesting and well-written emails from the inside! Keep it up! - Gunnar Steve Mosher wrote: Good comments All. Let me inline some answers/explanations. Lothar Behrens wrote: Hi, I am mostly reading and sometime writing here. If it was useful or useless - I don't know. But anyway. Let me arse around with some stupid ideas :-) What is a open phone? Is it only open source software or is it also open hardware? If software could be developed virtually at any place and from any person, why don't we do the same for hardware? Ok I cannot buy expensive equipment to test hardware that I may have developed, but I virtually could develop hardware. But many developers at one subject could spend money for a rent to let one of the team do outstanding tests. At the begining of Sean's presentation you will see two slides: 1. a picture of Steve Ballmer ( the evil empire) 2. A picture of paul Otilinni ( intel) And the point sean made about this was as follows; If a 15 year old kid tells ballmer that he has developed a technology that will disrupt microsofts business, Ballmer would do well to listen to him. Why? because with a computer and a compiler it is possible to disrupt their business or at least make there lives uncomfortable. Long ago back in 1994 before MS had any 3D api in windows there were three small UK companies that had 3D apis for the desktop: argonaut; Rendermorphics; and Criterion ( i worked there). These were really very small companies and what we did was keep gamers in DOS, while MS wanted to move gaming to windows. We disrupted their plans to move important apps into DOS. So they paid attention to us. I remember sitting with Alex st John and eric engstrom as they discussed what was originally called the manhatten project later to be directX. And the phrase disruptive technologies came up over and over again. One guy even had a folder on his desktop labeled disruptive technologies. In the end, MS aquired rendermorphics and it became Direct3D The point: in the software world, a kid and an idea is potentially a powerful force. The history of this is covered in this book: Drummond, Michael (November 2000). Renegades of the Empire: How Three Software Warriors Started a Revolution Behind the Walls of Fortress Microsoft. California: Three Rivers Press. ISBN 978-0609807453. Covers the early years of DirectX development within Microsoft, including the acquisition of RenderMorphics. The bottom line on software is this: the business of software is easy to disrupt because the barriers to entry ( the cost of tools) is comparatively low. Now, lets look at hardware. If that same 15 year kid came to Paul Otillini and said he had technology that would disrupt Intels business what would paul do. He'd ask the kid who his investors were? ask what EDA tools did he use? Synopsis? did he have a cycle accurate C-SIM of the chip? Who was his fab? was he planning an ASIC flow or COT flow for the chip, what tools did they use for floor planning, routing etc. The cost of these tools and the cost of proving something in silicon are in the millions of dollars. Hardware is hard. The barriers to entry are huge, not only IP barriers but sheer cost. So, Sean's basic point in those first two slides is that entering/disrupting the software business is orders of magnitude easier than entering the hardware business. This of course is an extreme comparison, used however to make a point. We should be on guard against notions and attitudes that characterize the hardware business as easy. At OM we entered the hardware business at the system level. Not designing chips of course, but one level up from that: designing hardware systems. Here too, however, you see costs and risks that form barriers to entry. For example, the test lab we maintain for testing phones has 5Million dollars of equipment. A prototype run of an evaluation board can cost 50K USD. 20 phones: 50K. I use this analogy. You write your code in a series of units. you unit test them. Then you do your first integration. You set up your make files and I charge you 50K to hit return. would you hit the compile button? We've all sat there and said, just compile it, see if works. That's easy in software. In Sean's presentation you'll see a slide. gcc GTA02v5 doesnt work what that means is this. There are perhaps some unconcious attitudes people have carried over from the software world that will jump up and bite them when they start to work in the hardware world. I'll use another metaphor. Building hardware requires a waterfall design process, at least in my experience. In the software world, outside of DOD and NASA, we'd be hard pressed to find projects that followed a strict waterfall model. In a waterfall model you start with requirements.
Re: Back to the Basics plan: Andy left
Thanks for the reply Steve, and sorry that I am being a bit confrontational! Of course I do not expect you to do your dirty laundry in public (but it was those lunchtime magnum bottles of champagne on the expense account, wans't it?), but since Andy did make a lot of good and very visible changes, a quick We are sorry to see him go, wish him all luck in his future endeavours and Werner will take over kernel patch management message would have been nice! Thanks, (also for the in buzz fix thread reply - cleared it up for me!) - Gunnar Steve Mosher wrote: Thanks Gunnar, There is one thing we tend to be very tight lipped about. HR issues. That is its very rare that you will find any employee commenting on why a particular individual is not with the company anymore. Some people are let go for performance. Some are let go due to cost cutting. Some choose voluntary separation. Some request to be let go. This is highly personel data, so we try to avoid at all costs talking about these issues. As to the other issues, there are some cases were the situation is so fluid and still in process that commenting really isnt possible. I'll relook at the official buzz fix thread and see if I can add anything helpful. Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes wrote: I love these threads where we talk about company things, like the recent official buzz fix thread, or the secret UI design team IRC conversation, and there is NEVER any response from OpenMoko. I wonder if they see the community mailinglist as COMMUNITY ONLY, i.e. no employees allowed? :) Cheers, - Gunnar Laszlo KREKACS wrote: Dear List, I can't express how sad I'm when I read Andy Green left Openmoko. I do not know why he left (and it is not my business anyway), but I know since Andy was at Openmoko the kernel side began to form shape, and got things work. (suspend? anyone?) I know that every people is replacable at a company, but show me at least two people who made as much commit/day (and code quality) what Andy did. You cant, because there is no black magic here, no marketing mantra, it is all public and we can see who commits what into the git tree. So you just let go the single most valuable people at kernel side. Nice try. I do not know who is responsible for this desicion but I hope they are not the same design team who had fired Rasterman. Oh, and Harald Welte had left Openmoko too, but we never knew the exact details. Who left? At the hardware side: Werner and Joerg at the software side: Mirko and hmm, nobody? Im counting... How long will they stand? If I had enough money I would just hire those people and form a new company and outsource the fabrication to a chinese company (that's exactly what everyone does including apple) and forget about Openmoko (the name was a bad choice anyway ;) I know this letter a bit harsh, but it is intented to address to whom is concerned: Get your head out of your @ss, sit down and think about a bit. You must honor those people who gets the job done! The best would be just hire back those valueable people, and work out how they want to work. Even if they want to form a new (software) company, to make sure this situation will never happen again. I always wanted to buy the next model of openmoko, but I know exactly, if it has bugs (and surely it will), never or really slowly will be fixed (as the current(=everyone gets fired) situation shows). And if it will have hardware bugs, they will be never fixed by Openmoko (as the company), and I can just hope that some people offer *their free time and knowledge* and fix the problem UNOFFICIALLY (unless they did not get until fired). Can you imagine where we were today without Andy and Rasterman? I surely can: an unofficial/unsupported qtextended with an unoptimized 2.6.22 kernel. All those nice things came from these (fired) people. I'm afraid of the future. Best regards, Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Back to the Basics plan: Andy left
I love these threads where we talk about company things, like the recent official buzz fix thread, or the secret UI design team IRC conversation, and there is NEVER any response from OpenMoko. I wonder if they see the community mailinglist as COMMUNITY ONLY, i.e. no employees allowed? :) Cheers, - Gunnar Laszlo KREKACS wrote: Dear List, I can't express how sad I'm when I read Andy Green left Openmoko. I do not know why he left (and it is not my business anyway), but I know since Andy was at Openmoko the kernel side began to form shape, and got things work. (suspend? anyone?) I know that every people is replacable at a company, but show me at least two people who made as much commit/day (and code quality) what Andy did. You cant, because there is no black magic here, no marketing mantra, it is all public and we can see who commits what into the git tree. So you just let go the single most valuable people at kernel side. Nice try. I do not know who is responsible for this desicion but I hope they are not the same design team who had fired Rasterman. Oh, and Harald Welte had left Openmoko too, but we never knew the exact details. Who left? At the hardware side: Werner and Joerg at the software side: Mirko and hmm, nobody? Im counting... How long will they stand? If I had enough money I would just hire those people and form a new company and outsource the fabrication to a chinese company (that's exactly what everyone does including apple) and forget about Openmoko (the name was a bad choice anyway ;) I know this letter a bit harsh, but it is intented to address to whom is concerned: Get your head out of your @ss, sit down and think about a bit. You must honor those people who gets the job done! The best would be just hire back those valueable people, and work out how they want to work. Even if they want to form a new (software) company, to make sure this situation will never happen again. I always wanted to buy the next model of openmoko, but I know exactly, if it has bugs (and surely it will), never or really slowly will be fixed (as the current(=everyone gets fired) situation shows). And if it will have hardware bugs, they will be never fixed by Openmoko (as the company), and I can just hope that some people offer *their free time and knowledge* and fix the problem UNOFFICIALLY (unless they did not get until fired). Can you imagine where we were today without Andy and Rasterman? I surely can: an unofficial/unsupported qtextended with an unoptimized 2.6.22 kernel. All those nice things came from these (fired) people. I'm afraid of the future. Best regards, Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grimnes [AT] dfki.de DFKI GmbH Knowledge Management Trippstadter Strasse 122 D-67663 Kaiserslautern Germany Office: +49 631 205 75-117 Mobile: +49 177 277 4397 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fennec Beta 1 Released
Now I know nothing about anything, and I've only just read this part of the thread - but could it not be that the cross compiler and tools setup by MokoMakefile are used instead when building for the NEO? - Gunnar Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Really? Because it says If you want to cross-compile Fennec and XULRunner for ARM devices, you should first set up scratchbox. r...@om-gta02:~# grep Processor /proc/cpuinfo Processor : ARM920T rev 0 (v4l) Rui On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 09:29:11AM -0400, Brad Lassey wrote: Rui, Those instructions are for setting up a Maemo development environment, which wouldn't be applicable to someone trying to build for Openmoko. -Brad On 3/20/2009 4:50 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: You're oversimplifying a bit. You're forgetting https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Build/cs2007q3 Rui On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 01:05:45AM -0700, blassey wrote: Out of curiosity, what part of the build process is giving you trouble? It boils down to this: -Pull the code hg clone http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central cd mozilla-central hg clone http://hg.mozilla.org/mobile-browser mobile -Create configuration file (an example is provided, just copy and paste) -Build make -f client.mk build Daniel Benoy wrote: Looks like the hell on drugs according to their wiki. https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Build/Fennec ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grimnes [AT] dfki.de DFKI GmbH Knowledge Management Trippstadter Strasse 122 D-67663 Kaiserslautern Germany Office: +49 631 205 75-117 Mobile: +49 177 277 4397 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to use other applications with Paroli fullscreen?
To be honest, my heart fell when I read the very beginning of the Paroli website: In a few words one could say: paroli is a new approach to application development on the openmoko phones. My reaction to that? Good grief, that's exactly what we DON'T need. In other words, a new approach is exactly what we don't need - and especially a new approach that shuts out all previous approaches. Indeed. I was also very sceptical when first reading about FSO - as in we will make a new framework for mobile computing in linux that will run on all devices ... however, for FSO they seem to have pulled it off. Somehow. For Paroli I am yet to be convinced that they have not falled prey to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner-platform_effect To make a constructive suggestion: I wonder what the official Openmoko view is of SHR Testing? I think it's pretty good, so SHR-Testing uses Zhone? Cheers, -- Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grimnes [AT] dfki.de DFKI GmbH Knowledge Management Trippstadter Strasse 122 D-67663 Kaiserslautern Germany Office: +49 631 205 75-117 Mobile: +49 177 277 4397 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to use other applications with Paroli fullscreen?
I didn't know - Thanks! Johny Tenfinger wrote: On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 11:36, Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grim...@dfki.de wrote: SHR-Testing uses Zhone? What? SHR is using ophonekitd and libframeworkd-phonegui-efl. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grimnes [AT] dfki.de DFKI GmbH Knowledge Management Trippstadter Strasse 122 D-67663 Kaiserslautern Germany Office: +49 631 205 75-117 Mobile: +49 177 277 4397 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko FreeRunner Internal details
assuming you use FSO or SHR you can use dbus to query the framework for many of the phone details. web.py offers an excellent light python based web-server and also a web framework - Gunnar sandilya b wrote: Hi All, I am trying to fetch the details of my openmoko freerunner phone. I want to write a python or java program and fetch the values and display them on a webpage which I am hosting on my phone itself. I want details like my IMEI number, phone number, present Location from gps etc. Can anyone tell me which python module can lead me towards what i need? Thanks, -Sandy ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grimnes [AT] dfki.de DFKI GmbH Knowledge Management Trippstadter Strasse 122 D-67663 Kaiserslautern Germany Office: +49 631 205 75-117 Mobile: +49 177 277 4397 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FR as wireless mouse
I am sorry to ruin your dreams, but the accelerometer is nowhere accurate enough for this to work. It only really works well for rotations (since the gravity then changes). See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer_Fundamentals - Gunnar The Digital Pioneer wrote: OK, so it's been on the wiki for a while now, to use the FR and accelerometers as a wireless mouse. I even bought a bluetooth USB adapter so I could use it as such, since I was under the impression it was already done in Remoko. It's not, all I got was a wireless touchpad. I already HAVE a touchpad on my laptop, thank you. :P So is anyone ever going to do this? -- Thanks, The Digital Pioneer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grimnes [AT] dfki.de DFKI GmbH Knowledge Management Trippstadter Strasse 122 D-67663 Kaiserslautern Germany Office: +49 631 205 75-117 Mobile: +49 177 277 4397 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?
This is apparently an issue with recent SHR/FSO, my not quite perfect fix was to go into the illume settings thingy (i.e. the wrench menu) and set the framerate to 5 rather than 30, turn off drop shadows, and to change the render mode from software to software_16. I don't have the freerunner nearby, so I can't check where in the menu you find these things, but I think the framerate is at the bottom of the first menu, the drop shadow under appearance or similar near the end, and the render engine in the advance tab of this? Can anyone confirm? - Gunnar Xavier Cremaschi wrote: Hi folks, I ruined my OM2008.12 yesterday, trying to put some bad libc6 for mozilla-fennec. So I told myself let's try this SHR everybody is talking about I have some problems with : 1. wifi : Wifi Mofi hangs when I run it 2. gps : GPS cannot fix 3. SHR Panels : some panels in 'Settings' hang when I click on them (GSM/operators for example) 4. Everything is slow For 1 to 3 I hope I will find a solution by investigating a bit more, but these things worked 'as if' with OM2008.12 so I was a bit disappointed... so many people write SHR unstable is very stable, but I find OM2008.12 to be far more stable... Maybe something is wrong with my install, I don't know. For 4 I would need your help, enlightenment eats lots of kernel time in htop (cpu and memory are still ok), it was 15:00.00 the last time I checked. I need 2-3 seconds to scroll on desktop, while in enlightement settings panel (aka the wrench) it is fluid. Does anybody have an idea for 4. ? Best regards, Xavier Cremaschi. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grimnes [AT] dfki.de DFKI GmbH Knowledge Management Trippstadter Strasse 122 D-67663 Kaiserslautern Germany Office: +49 631 205 75-117 Mobile: +49 177 277 4397 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?
Ah - what I forgot to mention is that this brought illume down to about 5-8% - which is ok-ish, but not great when it's idle and really just sitting there. The rasterman has previously said it has been at about 0.2% when idle. Also, there is a ticket for this: http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/298 - Gunnar Paul wrote: I don't have the freerunner nearby, so I can't check where in the menu you find these things, but I think the framerate is at the bottom of the first menu, the drop shadow under appearance or similar near the end, and the render engine in the advance tab of this? Can anyone confirm? You can find both in the settings-advanced option, after hitting the wrench. advanced - performance for the framerate advanced - engine for the software-engine. It also pays to switch off the animations for things: display-Animations. Paul -- Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grimnes [AT] dfki.de DFKI GmbH Knowledge Management Trippstadter Strasse 122 D-67663 Kaiserslautern Germany Office: +49 631 205 75-117 Mobile: +49 177 277 4397 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?
The UI here is not so intuitive, but you might find that the menu bar has arrows at the side that brings up more options? in either case, the advanced thing is a sub menu, have you looked under screen? I use plain FSO, but I guess illume is the same? - Gunnar Helge Hafting wrote: Paul wrote: I don't have the freerunner nearby, so I can't check where in the menu you find these things, but I think the framerate is at the bottom of the first menu, the drop shadow under appearance or similar near the end, and the render engine in the advance tab of this? Can anyone confirm? You can find both in the settings-advanced option, after hitting the wrench. nope - there is no such advanced option. I have shr unstable - I upgraded today (nothing new though), I can hit the wrench and see: Display Look Screen Input No advanced at all. Is there some extra package repository that all of you use, that will bring in an enlightenment that has this advanced setting? For it sure isn't in SHR unstable? The only extra repository I use, is opkg.org for getting various games and utilities. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grimnes [AT] dfki.de DFKI GmbH Knowledge Management Trippstadter Strasse 122 D-67663 Kaiserslautern Germany Office: +49 631 205 75-117 Mobile: +49 177 277 4397 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR first impression : it's slow ?
So I wonder - would it be safe to tell opkg about the FSO repository as well, and upgrade to get the newest from both places? Or will that likely break most of the stuff I care about, such as phone and gps functionality? I'm afraid I have no idea. Try it and see? :) I wonder if the illume settings can also be simply set in a config file somewhere, or if everything is in some binary DB? -- Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grimnes [AT] dfki.de DFKI GmbH Knowledge Management Trippstadter Strasse 122 D-67663 Kaiserslautern Germany Office: +49 631 205 75-117 Mobile: +49 177 277 4397 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Need for application like PC Suite from Nokia?
If you are targetting FSO (as you should, since alternative are not maintained), my understanding is that the PIM API part (opimd?) supports several different backends for actually storing the information (i.e. the FSO layer only provides a dbus layer on top of whatever is underneath) For instance, it may be put on top of the embedded evolution data server [1] - and (I think) this already is supported by opensync somehow, i.e. it could save lots of work. What this does NOT provide though is the actual sending of SMS, I would like an app like Blue Phone Elite (for the mac), which lets me send/receive sms from the normal desktop (i guess this is like the nokia pc suite) - Gunnar [1] http://labs.o-hand.com/embedded-eds/ Andreas Willich wrote: Hi List I am currently developing a PIM synchronization app for the Neo (https://projects.openmoko.org/projects/mokosync/ http://www.opkg.org/package_134.html ) After a mail from c_c (http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-f528198 ) I got the idea to extend it to an application like the PC Suite app from Nokia. So you can send SMS from your PC, edit the various settings for the different applications (TangoGPS, Navit, ...), install applications and transfer files between PC and Neo. What do you think? Is such an application needed? Regards Andreas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: opkg problem
Alternativly it's because you have both usb networking and wifi up and the default route goes to usb which does not does not route you on to the internet? You can fix it with the route command, something like: route del default (repeat till none left) route add default gw 192.168.0.1 eth0 (where 192.168.0.1 is the ip of your router) - Gunnar BitKeeper wrote: Hi, That looks like a dns / resolv.conf issue. Have a look at this wiki page. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#DNS Once you have fixed your dns issues do a opkg update again. Thanks, Bannon 2009/2/23 Adam Jimerson vend...@gmail.com mailto:vend...@gmail.com I am having some problems with opkg, first of all after flashing 2008.9 on my phone wifi is working but it seems to have problems to connect to my router which has mac filtering turned on (is this kind of network even supported?). To get around this issue I connected to my freerunner to my PC and pinged Google at 74.125.19.147 and it worked so I attempted to run opkg and install/upgrade the packages I want there, some I already downloaded and placed them in /media/card/. When trying to download packages with opkg I get the following errors r...@om-gta02:/media/card# opkg install matchbox-keyboard An error ocurred, return value: 2. r...@om-gta02:~# opkg install http://www.opkg.org/packages/ethtool_6_armv4t.ipk http://www.opkg.org/packages/wicd_1.5.6_armv4t.ipk Downloading http://www.opkg.org/packages/ethtool_6_armv4t.ipk Collected errors: * Failed to download http://www.opkg.org/packages/ethtool_6_armv4t.ipk, error 0 What do these errors mean? I know it doesn't like the repos because when I did an update all the sig checks fails r...@om-gta02:~# opkg update Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Multiverse/Packages.gz Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Multiverse/Packages.sig Signature check failed Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/all/Packages.gz Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/all/Packages.sig Signature check failed Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/Packages.gz Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/Packages.sig Signature check failed Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/neo1973/Packages.gz Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/neo1973/Packages.sig Signature check failed Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/om-gta02/Packages.gz Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/om-gta02/Packages.sig Signature check failed Collected errors: * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Multiverse/Packages.gz, error 0 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Multiverse/Packages.sig, error 0 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/all/Packages.gz, error 0 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/all/Packages.sig, error 0 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/Packages.gz, error 0 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/Packages.sig, error 0 * Failed to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/neo1973/Packages.gz, error 0
Re: Need for application like PC Suite from Nokia?
I also think I read somewhere on the mailing lists that sending sms's from the command line is possible. There was a script for 2008.X that would launch the GUI app to send. With FSO it's trivial with the dbus utility. - Gunnar ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Need help flashing my freerunner for the first time
Re: Need help flashing my freerunner for the first time Congratulations - it wont be your last :) On my machine dfu-util is quite picky about when to work, my workflow is like this: Start freerunner in flashing mode, watch /var/log/messages till USB device is there... run: sudo dfu-util -a kernel -R -D file (or whatever) over and over again, until it reports an error device lost after reset (or something like this) run: sudo dfu-util -l over and over again, until it lists several lines of devices. then run the first line again and it THEN it works. Flashing the rootfs will occasionally fail, just do it again. When I say over and over again it is often 20-30 times :) This may seem akward, but you get used to it :) Cheers, - Gunnar Adam Jimerson wrote: On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Shawn Trash Thompson mokowa...@projektenterprises.com mailto:mokowa...@projektenterprises.com wrote: Adam Jimerson wrote: On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Shawn Trash Thompson mokowa...@projektenterprises.com mailto:mokowa...@projektenterprises.com mailto:mokowa...@projektenterprises.com mailto:mokowa...@projektenterprises.com wrote: Adam Jimerson wrote: I just got my freerunner today and when I have been trying to flash it with OM 2008.12 now that it is charged (comparing my Home and the images on the wiki I don't even think it came with 2007 installed), according to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing I should not set up a usb0 connection but dfu-util doesn't seem to be working with it. The dfu-util -l only sees it half the time and when I try to backup the Kernel with dfu-util -a kernel -R -U good-kernel.img the freerunner just times out. The host that I am using is openSUSE 11.1. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Adam, Are you using the super-user account? -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Yes I am using the super-user account ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community hopefully someone else will have more info then, other than not using root priv or equivalent I'm out of ideas, all I've seen issues with is having multiple DFU capable devices but that doesn't sound like the problem either. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Apon further investigation I seems like I have 2008.xx installed my screen looks like this http://openmoko.com/download.html, but the settings app does not load, the loading screen comes up but nothing lanches so I can't configure it to my wifi and I can't seem to find terminal if it is installed by default. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM] Less power consumption
True - but the things that improve is leaking less battery when nothing happens, either by suspending or turning off things like backlight, gps, wifi, etc. What the top poster is asking is when do I get 3 days of GPS tracking - and I guess the answer is never? - Gunnar David Garabana Barro wrote: On Friday 20 February 2009 09:43:15 Francesco de Virgilio wrote: this is just a little question flogging in my mind since 2008.12 was released: when will we have a lower power-consumption kernel, getting the Neo FreeRunner usable for 3 or 4 days (suspending it frequently)? You should try FSO 5 or unstable SHR. With latest unstable SHR image, after 40 hours mostly suspended I had about 50% battery. battery life is improving a lot! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grimnes [AT] dfki.de DFKI GmbH Knowledge Management Trippstadter Strasse 122 D-67663 Kaiserslautern Germany Office: +49 631 205 75-117 Mobile: +49 177 277 4397 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM] Less power consumption
Or of course connect it to your car cigarette lighter, or to your bike! You even get hand-crank usb chargers... Perhaps I was too negative :) - Gunnar Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grim...@dfki.de writes: What the top poster is asking is when do I get 3 days of GPS tracking - and I guess the answer is never? You can buy extra batteries. The USB battery http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3060 is only $14.43. I don't think this lets you use it for 3 days but it will at least make it 12 instead of 6 hours. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grimnes [AT] dfki.de DFKI GmbH Knowledge Management Trippstadter Strasse 122 D-67663 Kaiserslautern Germany Office: +49 631 205 75-117 Mobile: +49 177 277 4397 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Open IPKG packages from command line
.ipk are like debian (or indeed ubuntu) packages, i.e. they are initially packaged with ar, not tar. Unpacking will give you a meta-data file plus control.tar.gz. and data.tar.gz, which you can untar as usual. data.tar.gz is meants to be untarred in /, i.e. it contains all folders up from usr, var, etc. - Gunnar Kasper Johansen wrote: Hi list. Is it possible to extract a IPK-package (some_package.ipk)? I do not want to install anything - just inspect the package on my Ubuntu-machine. I have been able to extract some packages by using tar -zxvf after renaming the extension to tar.gz - though I cant with all packages (and I dont know why). Can anyone point in the direction on how to do so? -- Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grimnes [AT] dfki.de DFKI GmbH Knowledge Management Trippstadter Strasse 122 D-67663 Kaiserslautern Germany Office: +49 631 205 75-117 Mobile: +49 177 277 4397 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Updates/February 6, 2009 released
I guess the community update is not to be understood as a update of what OpenMoko Inc has done for the community, but rather as an update of what the community has done for itself. It was initially edited by Minh Ha Duong, who is NOT an openmoko employee (afaik), but he retired and Brenda took it up since it was a seen as very useful. ... i'm not THE wiki editor ... (emphasis mine) Clearly you understand well how a wiki works :) Cheers, -- Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grimnes [AT] dfki.de DFKI GmbH Knowledge Management Trippstadter Strasse 122 D-67663 Kaiserslautern Germany Office: +49 631 205 75-117 Mobile: +49 177 277 4397 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Updates/February 6, 2009 released
Oh yes - thanks Brenda, I find these very useful, keep it up! - Gunnar Brenda Wang wrote: Dear all: The 11th community update is now available. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/February_6%2C_2009 For an easier access of the newest update,it can be also accessed by Community Box located at the left. The old version are put on Community Updates page. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates From now on, Community Updates will be also available in Chinese (Traditional Chinese Simplified Chinese), please feel free to translate this into other languages if you wish. Regards Brenda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grimnes [AT] dfki.de DFKI GmbH Knowledge Management Trippstadter Strasse 122 D-67663 Kaiserslautern Germany Office: +49 631 205 75-117 Mobile: +49 177 277 4397 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New leather case for Neo FreeRunner
Looks great, but at 23 euro shipping to Germany it's a bit dear. How about Pulster.de buying a bunch of them for us? :) - Gunnar David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote: Dear all, I'm glad to announce you that we have ready a new leather case designed especially to the Neo FreeRunner, here are the main characteristics -High durable treated black leader (used for military complements) -Strong belt clip -Includes an emergency simply stytus in the top of the belt clip -Magnetic lock to easy open/close with one hand, strong enough to support heavy shake without open but to no disrturb any electromagenic signal -Holes to access buttons and in/outputs -And can be used to let the Neo stand up in landscape position in a desktop to use with a bt keyboard, to use a wired keyboard only have to turn the neo 180º to let the USB be in the top - and yes also fits in a Neo 1973 :P Price:39 Euros Tax included, shipping cost not included(people outside UE please contact me ) You can buy one here http://www.tuxbrain.net/shop/product_info.php?cPath=21products_id=42language=en a bigger picture is aviable here http://www.tuxbrain.com/omcase.html (I have to upload more pictures I will announce when they are ready) Special prices for distributors, please contact me -- Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grimnes [AT] dfki.de DFKI GmbH Knowledge Management Trippstadter Strasse 122 D-67663 Kaiserslautern Germany Office: +49 631 205 75-117 Mobile: +49 177 277 4397 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Conflict when several apps use the accelerometers?
This page does: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer_Fundamentals Noise is around 3cm/s^2, i.e: It can fill in _short_ - 3-5s gaps in GPS coverage, if the orientation of the phone is known. Helge Hafting wrote: Hendrik Siedelmann wrote: Get higher gps accuracy using accelerometer data (or use it when driving through a tunnel) would be a nice example. That'd be interesting. Do anyone know the precision of the accelerometers? Assuming, of course, that one has a car mount so the phone has a known orientation relative to the car. How long tunnels would be feasible? Where I live, there are some 4km tunnels that curve slightly, and a shorter one with a roundabout inside. :-/ Usually, one also uses the car speedometer for this. I have a box that converts this to serial - perhaps a serial to usb converter could be used to connect the phone. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grimnes [AT] dfki.de DFKI GmbH Knowledge Management Trippstadter Strasse 122 D-67663 Kaiserslautern Germany Office: +49 631 205 75-117 Mobile: +49 177 277 4397 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [omview] images not diplayed
I have the same problem, and I've tried several versions and it only showed one image once, but then never again :) When starting epsilon_thumbd manually nothing really special happens. i.e. the messages about connect(): no such file or directory is still there Sometimes I also get: Invalid filename given: Epsilon expects the full path to file Anything else I can do to debug? - Gunnar the Failed to connect to server message means omview can't connect to epsilon_thumbd which it tries to start but is seems it doesn't find it. Can you start the epsilon_thumbd program by hand and launch omview afterwards? It should be in the libepsilon_tests package (it's a dependency of the ipk from projects.openmoko.org/community repository). And from where is the package of omview you use? It's a bit late, I hope omview wasn't broken the whole time with the om-image ... hendrik ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pimlico on the Freerunner ?
Hmm - pimlico looks much nicer than qtopia-contacts. Any package for this? Rather than develop new generic framework that can be configured to do anything (paroli and friends) - could we not write a dialler that uses this contact management for a quick and easy solution? - Gunnar Samuel Pereira wrote: Hi, If you check this page ...http://pimlico-project.org/dates.html They have a screenshoot of FR. This packages are on opkg. opkg install openmoko-dates2 openmoko-tasks2 In OM2008.x Contacts uses other package from qtopia. Samuel Hi list I just discoverd the Pimlico project : http://pimlico-project.org/ which aims at providing a simple Pim solution for mobile devices. The website links to some pre-built binaries, but there are none for the gta02. I would like to know if someone had or could package the sources for the freerunner ? Thanks in advance Kimaidou ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No more optimization team
Yes - could we have a definitive answer on whether there will be a 2008.12 release of the current testing? I seem to remember that a few weeks ago it was nearly ready and it was almost certainly going to be 2008.11, clearly it slipped... Cheers, - Gunnar Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Wolfgang Spraul [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Our current stable image is called 'Om2008.9', available at http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.9/ We are sometimes cherry-picking fixes into it, but admittedly not as many as we would like. If someone wants to step up to become stable maintainer for this image and cherry-pick more fixes into it, please let me know. I'm sure more people would contribute fixes if they could figure out how to build the stable distro from source. I re-read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile again and tried to build it with 1) wget http://www.rwhitby.net/files/openmoko/Makefile 2) make setup 3) make setup-machine-om-gta02 4) sudo sysctl -w vm.mmap_min_addr=0 5) cat build/conf/local.conf EOF PARALLEL_MAKE = -j6 BB_NUMBER_THREADS = 6 GLIBC_GENERATE_LOCALES = en_US.UTF-8 fi_FI.UTF-8 nl_NL.UTF-8 EOF 6) script -c 'make image' ../build1.log but it failed with svn: '/svn/e/!svn/bc/38081/trunk/illume' path not found ... NOTE: package illume-0.0+svnr35818-r13: task do_fetch: failed ... ERROR: Build of /local/lindi/openmoko/mokomakefile/openembedded/packages/e17/illume_svn.bb do_fetch failed The bug report is now at https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2169 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grimnes [AT] dfki.de DFKI GmbH Knowledge Management Trippstadter Strasse 122 D-67663 Kaiserslautern Germany Office: +49 631 205 75-117 Mobile: +49 177 277 4397 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.testing (2008.9 upgraded) - Settings not running
The problem is probably broken python-ekt bindings, the upgrade path from 2008.08 to testing is (was?) broken. See https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2127 for a fix and more explanation. - Gunnar W.Kenworthy wrote: I am using 2008.testing (2008.9 upgraded) and the Settings app wont start - same if I run exposure.py in a terminal, and no debug is printed. A ps aux shows exposure running, but no window appears and the command line returns without printing anything. Is there a way to debug python apps and see where its going wrong? BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: python-ctypes and binutils
Hi Andrew! That's exactly what I was looking for! Thanks! - Gunnar Andrew Chu wrote: Hi Gunnar, I'm not sure if this will answer your question or not, but it sounds like you are looking for the following package: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?pkgname=binutils-symlinks which will create symlinks to the weird named binaries. Cheers, Andrew Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes wrote: Hi all, Not sure where to send this - perhaps a more development oriented list? Anyway, the issue is about python-ctypes, the library for easy access to shared libraries from python. This includes a utility class for finding the REAL name of a library, i.e. getting from GL to /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 This code is found here: /usr/lib/python2.5/ctypes/util.py (assuming python-ctypes is installed) Now this relies in turn on several external tools for finding the library (see [1]), in particular ldconfig, gcc and objdump. Now ldconfig we have by default, gcc we do not want to install and objdump is in the binutils package. Now the binutils package only includes weird named binaries for objdump, i.e. /usr/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-objdump - and this is not found by ctypes... How do we fix this? Can binutils not ship with a /usr/bin/objdump symlinked to /usr/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-objdump? A semi-related question : Say I've written a new .bb file for python-opengl. How can I most easily get this put into openembedded? Cheers, - Gunnar [1] http://www.python.org/doc/2.5.2/lib/ctypes-finding-shared-libraries.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grimnes [AT] dfki.de DFKI GmbH Knowledge Management Trippstadter Strasse 122 D-67663 Kaiserslautern Germany Office: +49 631 205 75-117 Mobile: +49 177 277 4397 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
python-ctypes and binutils
Hi all, Not sure where to send this - perhaps a more development oriented list? Anyway, the issue is about python-ctypes, the library for easy access to shared libraries from python. This includes a utility class for finding the REAL name of a library, i.e. getting from GL to /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 This code is found here: /usr/lib/python2.5/ctypes/util.py (assuming python-ctypes is installed) Now this relies in turn on several external tools for finding the library (see [1]), in particular ldconfig, gcc and objdump. Now ldconfig we have by default, gcc we do not want to install and objdump is in the binutils package. Now the binutils package only includes weird named binaries for objdump, i.e. /usr/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-objdump - and this is not found by ctypes... How do we fix this? Can binutils not ship with a /usr/bin/objdump symlinked to /usr/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-objdump? A semi-related question : Say I've written a new .bb file for python-opengl. How can I most easily get this put into openembedded? Cheers, - Gunnar [1] http://www.python.org/doc/2.5.2/lib/ctypes-finding-shared-libraries.html -- Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grimnes [AT] dfki.de DFKI GmbH Knowledge Management Trippstadter Strasse 122 D-67663 Kaiserslautern Germany Office: +49 631 205 75-117 Mobile: +49 177 277 4397 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Hildon
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Given that Hildon has been created to bring the desktop experience to the mobile tablet, I doubt that it makes much sense in 480/[EMAIL PROTECTED] It works very well on the n810 which is 800x480, i doubt the extra 160 pixels make THAT much difference. Anyway - i'll try building it at the weekend and report back here. Thanks! - Gunnar ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Hildon
Hi, I wonder if anyone knows anything about running Hildon on the FreeRunner? For those of you not in the know, Hildon is the desktop-framework and application launcher used for instance on the N810. It's GTK based and open-source of course. See screenshot etc on wikipedia [1] Cheers, - Gunnar [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hildon ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: no icons in 2008.testing
His question was not about flashing though - it was about whether running opkg update will get you these fixes. I also thought the testing images corresponded to the latest packages you can get from opkg update with the testing repositories setup as specified here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download#The_bleeding_edge:_Om_.22base_.2F_empty.22_images - Gunnar W.Kenworthy wrote: Flashing the images for 26/27 and 28 showed icons. Unusable for me though as only the 26th ever registered (rarely, seems to be due to installing the gsm mux by default - none of the distros I tried that uses it works for me) and then the illume theme continually segv's which is a real pain. BillK On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 14:51 +0100, Benedikt Schindler wrote: hi, this ticket (http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2082) said that the no icons bug is fixed since 4 days. But there isn't an update in the unstable or testing tree. (they are still svnr36882. ) How long does it need to get into unstable / testing ? Because the updates in the kernel-git (stable) showing up in the unstable-feeds 1 day after the patch is send to the git. So should i say something if these changes are not showing up after 4 days in the unstbale tree or is normal and should i be quiet and wait for it ? :) cu Beni ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What files do I install to get audio. in 2008.testing
Hmm - I also have no audio with testing. I also have no usb-ethernet. I posted about this a week back or so, but no-one replied :) - Gunnar Benedikt Schindler wrote: William Kenworthy schrieb: On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 08:36 +0100, Benedikt Schindler wrote: [...] Audio is fine with 2008.9 as you say - however if you look above its 2008 testing I am having problems - a rather different beast :( BillK that's true. On the testing tree, i still have a blank desktop. no icons there to start a application. but i will update my freerunner this afternoon, maybe there are some icons back afterwards.:) But i don't have audio problems with the testing tree. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tux image
Hi Paul, what about here somewhere: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Artwork ? A selection of sizes is nice, also the vector source if you did it in some vector-based program! Thanks, - Gunnar Paul wrote: Hi all on http://nwyfre.homelinux.net/alg_plaatjes/MokoTux1.jpg I have an image for OpenMoko. Where on the Wiki could I put it (and is there a preferred size?) Paul -- Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grimnes [AT] dfki.de DFKI GmbH Knowledge Management Trippstadter Strasse 122 D-67663 Kaiserslautern Germany Office: +49 631 205 75-117 Mobile: +49 177 277 4397 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2008.8 - testing] - no desktop icons any more.
Is there a ticket for this icon problem? - Gunnar John Lee wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 01:33:09PM -0400, Daniel Benoy wrote: On Tuesday 21 October 2008 12:33:04 you wrote: hi, is someone on the testing tree of the 2008.8 distro, and solved the icon problem yet? My last comments in #2071, but not the same bug it seems. i upgraded to the latest testing 2008.8 packages. I know that there is a problem with the splash screen at boot up, that isn't solved yet. so i disabled the boot screen (btw: that saves 10 seconds boot time) But now i don't have any desktop icons. I'm in the same boat as you there. Can anyone even shed any light on what the cause of this is? I don't mind a little debugging but it's a bit over my head I don't even know where to start. Also, is active development (or building from git or whatever) happening in the 'testing' instead of 'unstable' ? If that's the case then I misunderstood the purposes of the feeds and should have went with stable. active development happening in unstable. This illume issue should not be there in the first place. also the clock-, battery- and signal-panel is at one place now. i restored the old ~/.e directory but that didn't changed anything. I fixed this by removing and reinstalling illume-theme-asu, and then installing illume-theme-illume (I believe this is also necessary in order to get the illume keyboard I like, but it also fixed the problem with all those little icons being squished into the same place and tiny.) - John ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Problems with audio and usb-ethernet
Hi all, I recently reflashed my freerunner to the 2008.09 release. At first ethernet over usb worked fine, and I think also audio, but after running opkg upgrade they both broke. For usb-ethernet: Now nothing happens when I insert the usb-cable. Flashing from uBoot still works fine though, and when booting into debian on the sd card usb-ethernet works fine as well, so the problem is somewhere with 2008.09 distro... For audio: alsamixer reports: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device Is audio and usb-ethernet meant to be provided by kernel modules? lsmod shows me no modules loaded :( also modprobe -l doesn't list sound or usb-ethernet modules. (Nor does opkg list show me them as available to be installed) Now to work around this I tried reflashing to the daily testing image, there usb-networking works slightly better, i.e. the PC detects the moko, but then something goes wrong and I cannot ssh. Also the settings app is not shown in the launcher, nor is any other application I installed. Thanks for any help! - Gunnar ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner is not sleeping.
http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1928 - Gunnar Orlando wrote: Hi to All, I just updated everything yesterday night... after that my openmoko doesn't sleep. When I go to the Settings app and select 10 / 30 / 60 seconds, it would just ignore it. Does anyone where I can change that? I really want it to sleep... -Orlando. -- --- ing. Javier O. Ramírez Martínez Key fingerprint = CBFD AEC9 E7F9 C726 03BF 3D85 7B9E 47A7 EB84 70D4 http://linux.mty.itesm.mx/~oramirez http://picasaweb.google.com/javier.ramirez ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grimnes [AT] dfki.de DFKI GmbH Knowledge Management Trippstadter Strasse 122 D-67663 Kaiserslautern Germany Office: +49 631 205 75-117 Mobile: +49 177 277 4397 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: NjuBee - questions
Hi Gunnar, I guess your openmoko from pulster came with 2007.X (like mine did). First of all - you can flash it to 2008.08 for a different set of bugs :) Although it's not there yet - most development seems to happen on 2008.08 and this will at least improve. If you also use the testing repository [1] for updates you can also get a sensible keyboard, I think? If not, you can use the themes and keyboard from [2] to make it beautiful and semi-usable. The other issues I know nothing about - GPS works fine for me - even with the SD card in. This being said - I was also a bit disappointed how far openmoko still has to go - especially with 2008.08 which is based on qtopia, which I believed was already quite mature at least basic phone stuff should be semi-usable. Oh well :) It will come soon enough! - Gunnar [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download#The_bleeding_edge:_Om_.22base_.2F_empty.22_images [2] http://52grad.de/.stuff/freerunner/ Gunnar Stahl wrote: Hi, i received my fr on friday (thanks to christoph from pulster) and although I am pretty good with linux in general and debian in particular I do have a couple of questions / concerns. At first, after the first outbursts of joy, some frustration started to creep in. Although I knew that fr was not really ready I find it somehow embarassing to see how many of the standard features of a standard phone do not work. I searched around the wiki and in the mailing lists, but the questions remained: - Sound: How do I adjust the speaker volume? Currently it blows my ears into oblivion when it is too close to my head. - Ringtones: Although this is not really important it annoys me to have to set it to vibrator for just not to wake up everybody in the office when someone calls me. - Whenever I have to plug out the battery for one of the various reasons like total freezes of the fr then the clock sets to 0:40 or something - Keyboard: This thing is ridiculously unusuable. As in ridiculous. I know there are developments going on, but it would be a heck of a lot more usuable if a fragging stylus had been on board (g) (sorry). - Is there any user-friendly way to turn on gprs/edge? - GPS: No fix at all, even with sd-card miles away from the fr Any usefull suggestions? Yt, Gunnar ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grimnes [AT] dfki.de DFKI GmbH Knowledge Management Trippstadter Strasse 122 D-67663 Kaiserslautern Germany Office: +49 631 205 75-117 Mobile: +49 177 277 4397 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Problems booting
Thanks everyone for you advice - I flashed the kernel, rootfs and boot-loader yesterday and it booted on the first try after that. Then I got lost in trying to make 2008.08 connect to my wifi and didn't try again, but I'll investigate more this evening and report back! - Gunnar arne anka wrote: opkg updates the userland binaries and kernel modules, I'd say the most likely reason you're having problems is due to not updating your kernel. opkg updates the kernel as well. the next time you do opkg upgrade, check a) the list of packages -- when kernel module packages are mentioned there's also a kernel package b) have a look at the opkg output -- there will be a section showing progress while writing the kernel (or flashing if you prefer) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grimnes [AT] dfki.de DFKI GmbH Knowledge Management Trippstadter Strasse 122 D-67663 Kaiserslautern Germany Office: +49 631 205 75-117 Mobile: +49 177 277 4397 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Problems booting
After several weeks of waiting I've finally got my OpenMoko - it came with 2007.02 which I've opkg update'd. However, now it seems to have some trouble booting :( Most times I turn on it will simply freeze on the first flash-screen, booting into the nand or nord menus works, but they will both freeze after Starting kernel... removing power-supply+battery to turn off and trying again will usually make it boot after about 5 attempts. This happens regardless of the battery level. I've had a cursory glance over the mailinglist archives and of course googled, but not found anything. Is this a known problem? Or do I have some weird hardware error? Cheers!, - Gunnar -- Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grimnes [AT] dfki.de DFKI GmbH Knowledge Management Trippstadter Strasse 122 D-67663 Kaiserslautern Germany Office: +49 631 205 75-117 Mobile: +49 177 277 4397 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
