Re: Why not use newsgroup?

2008-06-15 Thread Gustin Johnson
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Martin Bernreuther wrote:
| Am Freitag, 13. Juni 2008 schrieb Alexey Feldgendler:
| By default you just download the headers without having to get the text
| of every message,
| You can do that with IMAP, which is the modern protocol for accessing
your
| mail.
|
| You can receive only the headers on the IMAP server???

Only from the IMAP server to MUA (user's local client).  I do not
believe that SMTP has the ability to accept headers only, which is the
protocol that does the actual transfer of email messages.  IMAP only
talks to your MUA.
|
| We're NOT talking about downloading only the headers from
| the IMAP server to a client machine, right? If the email is
| on the IMAP server, it's already too late: you've got the email
| (with an impact to your quota) and you have to get rid of it.
| (if you don't like it). If I don't want to delete it manually:
| How does it work?
| (I also don't want to delete email after a predefined time period!)
|
| But eMail is definitely more common than news,
| and to reach masses you better use a mailing list.
| Is it possible to have both ways at once?
|
I have looked in to this for my local LUG.  The short answer is no.
There are options but with those options come limitations (ie. certain
solutions lock you into a particular web front end or mailing list
package).  Personally, as I am subscribed to a number of different
lists, being able to sort, read, delete etc. in a single interface with
a single set of credentials is the killer feature.  If you can get email
from a provider that supports sieve or some other server based
filtering, you can get the messages sorted into folder before you ever
access your account.  Nice if you have to use a webmail interface at all.
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Re: Apologies for spam - we will blacklist that account right away

2007-12-31 Thread Gustin Johnson
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I am not against grey-listing but one should think carefully when
deploying it.  I have threaded some of my comments below, I have also
deleted some of the previous message.

Harish Pillay wrote:
snip
 Actually, intuitively, it seems to be putting a lot of stress to the
 servers.  But
 if you look at what happens, each mail whose domain is not on the whitelist,
 gets an ack of sorts telling it to come back an unspecified time
 later.  Genuine
 email servers that implement the SMTP protocol WILL retry (and generally
 do so for upto 5 days).

The problem is that me as the receiver has to keep track of all the grey
listed attempts.  This load grows exponentially with the size of the
user base.  One user account can cause hundreds of delayed messages per
day, the SMTP traffic is not the cause of the load, but all the data
that has to be maintained and routinely checked that is associated with
each message.

snip
 So my advice would be to not use greylisting, as it pushes the problem
 to other parts of the internet and is effective only for a limited time
 (if anyone is using it).
 
 It pushes the problem to the source NOT the receiver.  A very large percentage
 of these sources are spambots and is therefore perfectly acceptable to have
 the push back.

Nope, it causes a significantly larger load on the receiver, and not the
sender.  The sender only has to queue the message to be resent, the
receiver has to keep track of it all, for every user it serves.  This
database can grow quite large and cause some significant I/O overhead on
a busy mail system.

snip

 milter greylist that I use on my sendmail smtp servers use RBL lists and 
 others
 in addition to greylist.  So, it is not just one solution.

I don't know of anyone who does not have multiple methods of fighting
spam and virus emails.  This is usually a good idea.

 If you dont have enough samples, be conservative. It is more a hassle to
 gain legitimate listmembers back, who you have been lost during
 subscription, as blocking fake accounts afterwards.

 Have an eye on your subscriptions. Too many new listmembers is certainly
 not a cause of marketing.


 I might have come a little off topic, but perhaps it helps someone.

I apologize as well for my OT post.

 I am now getting back to my cookies, ice cream, cake and teas ;-)
 
 Thanks for the comments and challenges.  You are welcome to take the
 suggestion and try it out.  Nothing to loose I say.  It has worked for me on
 the server I run (which serves a 20K userbase) and the machine is a lowly
 Cobalt Qube with 64MB RAM.  It runs the latest sendmail and is also a
 webserver (low volume sites btw).

20 thousand person user base?  I would not dream of serving 100 users
with that hardware (the RAM is the scary part for me).  To be fair I/we
use encryption (SSL/TLS) by default, not to mention the virus scanning
and various RBLs and filters that each message goes through.  Also our
greylist approach uses Mysql to store the sender/user/ip/timestamp info,
so this is perhaps not an apples to apples comparison.

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