Re: Closing apps
On Thu, 2007-11-22 at 14:21 +0100, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Tilman Baumann wrote: But i find both Buttons on the phone very cumbersome. Because they are so small and embeded in the case. But this is a conpletely different story... *g* Yes, the buttons are a nightmare. Sorry about that, but we inherited the design. This will be fixed with a completely new case for the successor to GTA02. Ooo, successor to GTA02, you probably know there is a whole range of inputs for a new case design - I guess there is a space for this on the wiki? I would suggest you place some drawings on the wiki as soon as it is available. Hans E-mail Disclaimer http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Ubuntu embedded/mobile
Hi, Not sure if this has been posted before, but will it be possible in the future to support the Ubuntu embedded stack on the neo? I see on the Ubuntu wiki they support the Intel's MID (Mobile Internet Device) platform - so it will need some porting. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded Hans E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Dev environment - one more time
Hi all, anyone have the dev environment going in openSUSE 10.2? Im still struggling and the info at OpenEmbedded is too Debian biased. Thanks Hans E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Shipping other than UPS
Is it possible to get the phones shipped with anyone other than UPS? The fact that the shipping to South Africa is $148.97 and the phone is $300 just makes it impossible to order (this excl taxes etc). And with the Oct Phase 2 phone going for $450 + whatever taxes, shipping etc on-top to get it to SA this phone is going to be a no-go in this country. Whats wrong with plain ol USPS? ps. are the phones shipped from US or Taiwan? E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Binary tarball of toolchain/build environment
On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 13:34 +0200, Shakthi Kannan wrote: Hi, Can someone provide a link to a binary tarball for the openmoko toolchain/build environment? (similar to CodeSourcery's GNU toolchains): http://www.codesourcery.com/gnu_toolchains/arm/download.html Something that I can simply download, extract and use it to build packages, and test it on qemu? Or, do I need to follow the 'build from scratch' procedure: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_OpenMoko_from_scratch I don't have a direct (firewall-free) connection to the Internet. Thanks, SK I want that to - seeing that building from scratch doesn't want to work on my openSUSE 10.2 distro.?? E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Binary tarball of toolchain/build environment
On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 15:00 +0200, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: On 7/13/07, vivek khurana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can try mokomake file. It has target for compiling qemu and running qemu. As for direct connection, try setting proxy variable in shell to connect a machine behind firewalled proxy server. FWIW, the MokoMakefile worked great for me on Xubuntu 7.04. Just make sure you have installed the required packages first. I had to install gcc-3.4 and sdl (devel) in order for 'make qemu' to work. Well, on openSUSE 10.2 I get Can't install openembedded-essential_1.1-1: no package provides python = 2.3 When trying to install openembedded-essential via smart packagemanger pointing to http://www.openembedded.org/dl/ I have python 2.5 installed. Any ideas? E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Group orders for South Africa (again)
All SA OpenMoko fans, Please check out: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Group_Order#South_Africa E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shipping costs
On Mon, 2007-07-09 at 14:51 +0300, Gena Batsyan wrote: I'm shocked! I wanted to purchase neo to Belarus - 140 bucks for shipping, that's a half of the device price!!! Western Europe is about 90. Same here in South Africa - I cant justify the phone if the shipping is going to be half the device price. E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Touchscreen enable/disable
Im not sure if this has been discussed before but here goes. Apparently some iMate phones have the tendency to make fake touchscreen entries while talking on the phone because of the screen touching your face/ear/cheek. The new ones detect (somehow) if the phone is to your ear and disables the touchscreen accordingly. Any thoughts? E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Phase 1 for normal users
Will phase 1 be useful to normal users - like my wife? Is there a reason for her to fork out $300 to get a phone that functions just as good as her current SonyEricsson T360? (obviously excluding all the fancy stuff that is possible, but not yet implemented) The basic apps on the wiki is very basic. E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Package manager
Is there a project (or plans for one) to simplify adding and removing apps to the Moko? Users will want to download and install apps - from official repos (and obviously 3rd party) E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Package manager
On Tue, 2007-07-03 at 11:49 +0100, Urivan Saaib wrote: Hans, Debian ? Ubuntu? Click N Run? :) That of course is a 'commercial' venue. Other than that, I guess an apt-get/yum repository can make it. Regards, -Urivan Flores-Saaib ==Original message text=== On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 11:37:14 +0100 Hans van der Merwe wrote: Is there a project (or plans for one) to simplify adding and removing apps to the Moko? Users will want to download and install apps - from official repos (and obviously 3rd party) Well, apt-get, smart or any other backend is fine. But what about a user-friendly front-end. E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Package manager
On Tue, 2007-07-03 at 13:53 +, Lalo Martins wrote: Also spracht Al Johnson (Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:23:56 +0100): I would have thought ipkg would make more sense as it's already used by most distros for handhelds, mainly because it has a smaller footprint than dpkg/apt or rpm/yum. I was going to say that. ipkg is already installed on the moko image, and comes pre-configured to download packages from the net (but the repository is still empty, of course). best, Lalo Martins Ah, great - just checking. E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Custom case designs...
On Tue, 2007-07-03 at 16:52 +0200, ramsesoriginal wrote: First they wil lthink that it's a rip-off of the iPod customisation. Then they will think that it's not useful, not functional, only thrown-away money. Then they will see how cool it looks at their buddy's neo, and will buy one for themselves ;) On 7/3/07, Tim Newsom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been thinking a little more about this and I struck upon an idea... What if you could buy a custom case with a custom message on it. I am not talking about painted messages but letters and shapes cast into the plastic shell. Raised, sunk, custom fonts etc. Naturally we can't just replicate the exact neo1973 shell without permission, but maybe something like it and removing the FIC logo (unless we get permission to use it) or the like. This is more of a vanity thing than a functional thing.. But what do people think of it? --Tim Some of the guys here at work (actually most of them) seem to hate the rounded sides/corners of the phone - any plans maybe on making it rectangular? ps. Im an engineer - I dont care what it looks like :) E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Group purchase in South Africa
Anyone in Cape Town, South Africa willing to put together a group purchase of Moko phones to minimise the shipping cost? (for the GTA1 release)? Is this allowed? E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Openembedded with openSUSE 10.2
Anyone had luck getting the dev platform working in openSUSE 10.2? E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [openmoko-announce] Some light ahead...
Tried that on openSUSE 10.2 Instructions do not work - after installing apt4rpm apt-get is not available?? On Wed, 2007-06-13 at 11:23 -0500, Steven ** wrote: Have you already find the MokoMakefile? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile -Steven On 6/12/07, Ivan -sk8- Chavero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I want to start developing apps for openmoko but i haven't being able to find any tools for that. i have browsed the wiki, projects and the other sections of the website and no luck. I'm interested on developing some thin client apps on the openmoko framework as a proof of concept for my masters thesis on low coupled distributed applications so it would be great if somebody could give me some links for the documentation and developer tools. P.D. I also want to purchase a phone it looks like a very interesting combination technology and philosophy!! thanks in advance. Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Dear Community, We owe you all an update as to our status. Here it goes... Last week we finished 200 devices. Of these about 50 seem to have some problems but the rest are functionally complete, tested, and ready to go. We know the source of the problems for the 50 that failed and this is already corrected. This is great news because it means we can finally start to move out of engineering sample mode and into real production! These first 150 (or so) devices will go to phase 0 developers and our internal / external developers -- of which many still don't even have phones! Oh and Imre Kaloz gets a freed phone, too. Thanks for being the first to tell us about Atheros. We're almost for sure going to use their AR6K chipset in our next product. We must forewarn you all that we're having some supply issues with our 2.8 VGA LCM. Our vendor has had more than their fair share of troubles moving this LCM into mass production. We have some in stock now. But this might be the major bottleneck moving forward. There are only a few companies currently making LCMs of this size and resolution. Finally, we've already begun moving production into one of our factories in mainland China. There are two runs scheduled now: May 10th and May 20th. We're going to take those runs a bit slow just to make sure the quality is high. And then starting in June, things can run full speed. Thanks again for your continued support and patience. The light at the end of the tunnel is getting a little brighter :-) Sincerely, The Core Team ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Announce list
I see the last official announcement was made 25th of April. I really dont want to start this whole thing again, BUT, can we please get another update? Even if its just, we dont know when answer. Thanks E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: UI ideas/questions or can we animate things as smooth as iPhone?
On Thu, 2007-06-07 at 11:29 +0200, Fabien wrote: On 6/7/07, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tomasz Zielinski wrote: If with GTK/Matchbox we cannot achieve such rich, fluid and, erm..., fluid GUI as iPhone, maybe it's not too late to drop GTK and choose other framework, designed for mobile devices and running quick framebuffer operations? GameBoy provided nice full-screen animations in 1989, eighteen years ago. I feel your pain. Trust me, it hurts me as well... I'm 100% sure nobody will cry after pure-X11 applications we loose this way. Almost every GTK application would require rewriting/porting to fit OpenMoko capabilities, so it's not great loss too. Not to mention font and other DPI-aware issues. Interesting. Can I hear more supportive or counter arguments? What do the others think? I'm only interested in graphic effects if they improve the ease and speed of my interactions with the phone. Most of graphic effects don't fit in that category on computers, and my gut feeling is that the smaller the screen, the worse it gets. I want something: - fast. Don't wan't to wait 1 second everytime I open a menu in order to get it half transparent (and therefore less legible BTW). Maybe I don't want a menu-based UI at all, actually. - easily and deeply configurable: because even *I* can't tell what's the perfect UI for myself without a lot of experimenting. Empowering the users is not only about giving them the sources, it's also about making them as easy to change as possible, so the rapid prototyping abilities of the whole framework are extremely important. And actually, I might want it bad enough to implement it. I'd bet on some tiny, X11-less GUI for responsiveness, plus a layer of Lua bindings for the rapid prototyping aspects. Anyway, AFAIK the widgets implemented in the common, big open-source toolkits have been designed for big screen + mouse, so it's more important to easily write new widgets than having loads of unadapted, XVGA-oriented ones. Note that this approach is not incompatible with the heavier, GTK-based one: once an interesting user experience is found on a lightweight and easy to tweak UI, it can be transposed on the heavy one(s). On this topic: How detached is the underlying processes/functions and GUI from each other? How difficult will it be to just pull a different GUI layer on top of the phone functions? ie, have commercial Mokos with different frontends - one for my dad who wants to sync appointments with PC and make calls, thats it - and one for me with buttons on rotating cubes while watching a movie streamed via wifi :) (I havent had time to take a look at die software layers yet, I know GTK is in there, is X also in? that seems wasteful) E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Preorder
On Thu, 2007-06-07 at 13:20 +0300, Aloril wrote: On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 00:02 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 10:26 -0400, Duncan Hudson wrote: But what does that link offer? So I posted my name on the list months ago - does that guarantee that I'll get one of the first batch released? Nope! But if it makes you feel better add your name too. Well for one thing, it's helped us figure out what color percentages to make ;-) -Sean I hope you don't think initial sales would be only 300 or if you subtract those that intent to buy GTA02 phone instead some 200. Most potential buyers won't bother to register and edit [[Buying_Interest_List]]. Additionally many don't want to publicize their intent. Most importantly actual order page will most likely have *much* bigger reach than this wiki page. Considering this all I would 'bet' that you will sell at least 10x of countof([[Buying_Interest_List]]) very soon, perhaps less than week. This 'bet' of course assumes there are enough devices available. Personally I fear it becomes available during night local time and when I awake its already sold out. Other issues worry me - Im in South Africa - whats the PP going to be? Is the price tag really going to be $350? ($50 here or there may break my enthusiasm) E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: UI ideas/questions or can we animate things as smooth as iPhone?
On Thu, 2007-06-07 at 08:19 -0700, David Schlesinger wrote: If someone really wanted to keep things lightweight, you could even do a curses based interface as an option. 31337 HaXoRs and their console based phones. Keen. I bet you could sell _dozens_ of those. My dad will buy one E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Disconnected LCD
Will the phone still work - bootup and function as normal - if I disconnect the LCD? It for an experimental, low power, vacuum environment. E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
On Mon, 2007-05-14 at 15:53 +0200, Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd. wrote: Piotr Duda napisał(a): models) use the reject-on-left and answer-on-right style. Maybe Im mistaken but I always tought that all others just do the oposite? Have no idea where did it come from, considering that first mobile phones was made in Motorola as I believe, and others perhaps should follow. But since the most The problem is same as slash and backslash or little endian and big endian. People just love incompatibility... No they dont, just money hungry monopolist like it. But thats another thread on another forum. E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Preorder
On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 16:43 +0200, Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote: 2007/5/8, Mike Sandman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: +1 - sandman Could you please stop writting me too, ++1 etc? You can express you will of buying Neo1973 on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Buying_Interest_List Sorry, I started all this - but this was the link I was looking for, thanks. Great work! E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Preorder
Are there any plans for pre-ordering of phones? I reayyy want/need one. E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Preorder
Im in South Africa, hope its not going to be a problem getting it here? On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 17:04 +0400, Vruyr F. Gyolchanyan wrote: I'm ready to by one too. But what about delivery to Moscow (actually to Russia in general), I ordered Qutopia GreenPhone, and the delivery was canceled and sent back to US as it received to UK. The delivery company was FedEx, and they said that Mobile phones are prohibited commodity for Russia to import. Also I had problems when I was expecting to receive a cell phone from Canada. Lucky me that the phone was certified for Russia. Hope to figure out how to get openmoko to Moscow when it will be available. Best regards, Vruyr F. Gyolchanyan. P.S. Sorry for my English. P.P.S. I'm also in Moscow. On 5/8/07, Tigran Zakoyan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 / Me too. I'm ready to pay all the expences of purchasing and delivery to Moscow. Or, possibly, we could make it (payment and delivery issues) collectively for potential pre-testers in Moscow/Russia. What to me, I am a rather expierenced IT/hardware support professional, but without skills immideately in Linux/embedded. Will be glad to contribute to community, but my history of professional coding has stopped 12 years ago. Regards, Tigran Zakoyan. Dmitri Hrapof wrote: Hans van der Merwe пишет: Are there any plans for pre-ordering of phones? Yes, I'd like to preorder it too. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Release (WAS: Richard Stallmans standpoint about openmoko)
On Fri, 2007-04-20 at 08:26 +0200, Simon Norberg wrote: Hello, I mailed Richard Stallman a while ago regarding a few things including what he thought about openmoko and his answer was: I could endorse it if they get rid of the plan to use non-free software for the GPS. I don't think the answer surprise anyone, but atleast we know for sure now. And i really hope we can replace the non-free GPS software as soon as possible or atleast before the public release. On that note - Im an electronic engineer and is eagerly awaiting the public release - or any release for that matter - I have a lot of DIY plans for the device (maybe some work related). So - any vague idea of a release date? E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
