Re: Openmoko / Medion Wikireader?
I knew the mediaon and pandigital were the compressed and shortened versions of the Wikireader. The big one can use larger SD cards, so you can carry around more information. Mine has the full english wikipedia, wiktionary, and wikiquotes on an 8gb microsd. If you use a 16 gb card, you can add even more info, like Gutenberg. However, I don't think the smaller capacity wikireaders are capable of addressing the 8gb and larger cards. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is this community dead?
Phones need to get smaller for me to use them but I like the architecture and openness I pretty sure this is the only phone that you can without hacking the hell out of it set it to a state where you can plug all the usb devices into it that you want limit 256ish devices. On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Iain B. Findleton ifindle...@videotron.ca wrote: Have not seen anything on the OM list for a while. Has the server gone? Is the community dead? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Wikireader Hitchhiker's Guide Splash
As a new year's treat I threw together some instructions on how to flash your Wikireader with a modified boot rom that will give you a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Don't Panic splash screen. Usual caveats apply. You can brick your machine doing this, so be careful. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NEhmivcAWBXV4KigVak8SjAiWxaB7aors4Ehzfs62TM/edit?hl=en ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [wikireader] update experience
There are 2 different wikireaders available. One with a 2gb card and one with a 4+gb card. As I understand it, the 2gb only supports a single language, and the English version is a special one that will fit in 2gb. The 4+gb version will do multiple languages and other things. Since I am from the USA, I am a pin head and only speak one language ;) . I therefore have the full English wiki, along with wikiquotes and the wiktionary and no other languages. The 4gb version supposedly can use micro-sd up 16gb. Also, to make sure you are running the correct version of software, there should be a globe icon on the main screen. You use that to select other languages/wikis. Hope that helped. Jeff On 12/25/2010 3:53 PM, Alexander Lehner wrote: Sorry for posting this here, I don't know if there's already a list for the WR. I've got a WikiReader now for some month and my 10y daughter surprisingly likes it, so I finally decided to get one for my parents as christmas gift. The one I've got came with english, german and netherlands wikis, so I assumed the new one would do so, too. But it didn't, so I had to update the german language package. The Update software so far is really easy and it recognizes the SD card without choosing it from any USB device. It told my to update the base image and the german language, it took about 3-4 hours to download the 1.7GB. After starting the WR again, even the english language was gone, only an empty search window showed up. So I looked at the content of the SD card and still the timestamps of the base files seemed wery old to me. The german language package seemed ok. Then I downloaded the base image from the .torrent file, which seemed to me the only up-to-date source I could get. It was quite a pain, because the only torrent client I had on my parents computer was the torrent downloader from Opera, which is quite slow compared to other torrent clients. After putting the new base files to the SD card, at least the german language was there. I don't know what happened with the english. According to the docs there seems to be a single-language installation (all lang files at root directory) and a multi-lang version with each language in a subfolder. Obviously the do not co-exist. And the well-known problems: Touchscreen is hard to handle (but learnable), backlight for people of higher age is really missing because of their eyes. At least the contrast setup (which seems only to appear if you boot the device without sd card) could/should be part of the usual sdcard-'OS'. (for example pressing the power button short instead of holding it for power-down?). So far I'm now happy with it, I like the device, if my parents do - we will see ;) Alex. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Someone is trying to patent Quickwriting
8open didn't seem to be that great of improvement over the standard keypad 2=abc 3=def ... maybe just rearrange the letters on each key so that the more common ones come first On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 4:17 AM, Daniele Ricci daniele.ath...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings, Some weeks ago a new software for Android has come out, the 8pen: http://www.the8pen.com/ the video clearly introduces a modified/simplified version of Quickwriting, an open (ie unpatented) input method invented a few years ago. Now they are trying to put a patent on it, even on variations! This is outrageous, since the idea has already been thought. I think we still apply against this patent, and move for a request to make it void (it's still in pending state). Here is the patent request: http://www.the8pen.com/legal.html Please help the open source community against this ridiculous attempt to make money on an already invented thing. Thanks, -- Daniele Ricci p.s. I already have a working implementation waiting to be pushed, so let's not waste time! :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Got also a WikiReader now
It's easy to load languages on the card. But unfortunately, they don't have a Polish Wiki yet. As long as you get the international Wikireader, it supports up to a 16gb microSD card. International comes with an 8gb. English takes up about 5gb. Summer 2010 Update (8GB, 16GB) Download the base image and then download the language packs that you want to use: Base Files (12.2 MB): All English Wikipedia (5 GB): Parts 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 中文 Wikipedia (449.8 MB): All 日本語 Wikipedia (1.4 GB): Parts 1, 2 Português Wikipedia (640.2 MB): All Norsk (bokmål) Wikipedia (294.8 MB): All Ελληνικά Wikipedia (106.7 MB): All Français Wikipedia (1.6 GB): Parts 1, 2 Suomi Wikipedia (310.7 MB): All Dansk Wikipedia (162.1 MB): All Deutsch Wikipedia (1.9 GB): Parts 1, 2 Nederlands Wikipedia (678.2 MB): All Español Wikipedia (1.1 GB): Parts 1, 2 Cymraeg Wikipedia (30.9 MB): All Русский Wikipedia (1 GB): All Magyar Wikipedia (311.4 MB): All English Wikiquote (53.8 MB): All English Wiktionary (388.1 MB): All On Thursday, September 09, 2010 07:20:23 pm Adam Bogacki wrote: On -9/01/37 07:59, Alexander Lehner wrote: Since 'Pulster' recently posted, that he has Germanized WikiReaders, I could not resist and ordered one. Now I've got it and started playing around (first removed the cap to see the connector to the debug serial interface - disappointed, I need a special adapter to it). But what really surprised me was the fact, that the delivered SD card not only held a german Wikipedia, but also a english and a dutch one! and I can switch between then during runtime and even the history function tracks the different country-specific entries correctly. This function makes it valuable for me, since there are a lot of country-specific pages which are not translated to other languages (simply because it sometimes makes no sense). Of course I was looking around to see some hacks or mods, but I was too lazy to set up my own build-chain. The Fortran interface is nice for some tests, indeed. Just for the joy of yes, we can I'd be intersted in some different ways of abusing that device, and I'm missing a email group like this one for the OM handy. Any pointers to active hackers for the WikiReader? Thanks, Alex. Is there a dual polish - english wikireader SD card available yet ? Adam Bogacki, adam.boga...@clear.net.nz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [wikireader] There are updates!
They just posted the release, so it is not 2 months old. I finally got it downloaded last night, but had some problems getting it loaded correctly. I'll try again once I get home from work tonight. Also, screen keyboard seems to be more responsive. Also, I was able to flash a new boot rom that gives me a Hitchhikers Guide Dont Panic splash screen. On Friday, August 13, 2010 12:59:02 pm Doug Jones wrote: I just noticed that there are updated WikiReader files available. Happened a couple months ago. I don't think this was announced on the list at the time (or at least I didn't see it whizzing by). I see that the little gizmo can handle multiple wikis now. You can put subdirectories on the SD card and it knows how to use them. This is excellent. There are a bunch of languages available, as well as English Wiktionary and English Wikiquote. See: http://thewikireader.com/update/ If you want to use torrents for downloading instead, go here: http://dev.thewikireader.com/beta-language-packs/ (That page is labeled 'Beta', but the links now appear to be pointing to the same files listed on the other page.) There's a developer blog too: http://dev.thewikireader.com/ P.S. Can anybody give a list of 16GB SD cards that are known to work in the WikiReader? Or should we expect that they all will work? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [wikireader] There are updates!
After I make sure everything is working correctly, I'll post the rom image and procedure to flash online. Like any other flash though, you can brick the device. On Friday, August 13, 2010 02:23:20 pm Brian wrote: On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:41:25 -0500 Jeff jcolb...@netins.net wrote: Also, I was able to flash a new boot rom that gives me a Hitchhikers Guide Dont Panic splash screen. I'd consider buying one just for that feature alone. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community attachment: splash2.png___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GNU/Linux Wrist Watch
10 seconds of googling linux based wrist watch brings this; I know I'm a slow typer http://www.freeos.com/articles/3800 On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote: Esben Stien b...@esben-stien.name writes: Does something like this exist?. If not, please, someone start making it. Why Linux? I would like my watch to consume as little energy as possible... -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[WikiReader] Battery Life
I just burned through the 2nd set of batteries with my wikireader in a month and a half. I know I have averaged less than 15 minutes a day of on time, so I am getting no where near the 90 hours of battery life advertised. Don't know if I have a bad one, or if the code needs tweaking. Anyone else notice the battery life has not been so good? Jeff ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [WikiReader] Battery Life
Alkaline, the original energizer batteries that came with the device. I may have some NiMH batteries lying around somewhere, but I don't have any AAA lithium polymer nor a suitable charger. Alex Teiche wrote: On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Jeff jcolb...@netins.net mailto:jcolb...@netins.net wrote: I just burned through the 2nd set of batteries with my wikireader in a month and a half. I know I have averaged less than 15 minutes a day of on time, so I am getting no where near the 90 hours of battery life advertised. Don't know if I have a bad one, or if the code needs tweaking. Anyone else notice the battery life has not been so good? Jeff I don't have a WikiReader, but are you using Alkaline or Lithium batteries? The voltage of Alkali based batteries will decrease over time, so that often they will not be able to power an electronic device even though they are not fully discharged. Lithium batteries are best for things like the WikiReader because the voltage stays constant for the most part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Internal pressure sensor
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Mikhail Umorin mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday 30 September 2009 16:18:51 Christoph Mair wrote: Hi, I successfully added a pressure sensor to my Freerunner. The BMP085 chip from Bosch Sensortec is a small (5x5x1.5mm) chip which includes a pressure and a temperature sensor. Power and I2C is enough to get it working. I glued it next to the BT antenna. The wiki page contains some pictures: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/I2C_Pressure_Sensor Sourcecode is available from http://gitorious.org/freerunner-navigation- board/bmp085 Christoph ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Cool! can be very helpful during mountain hiking (not that GPS does not help already -- but it may not be always available) I'm wondering how much battery it draws probably not much but for backing trips it might not be all that useful. Bring extra charged batteries? What do others do for backpacking trips. Seems all cellphones eat batteries and aren't smart enough to stop searching for a signal when there is none. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Where can I meet a female companion with similar interests and personality /in person/?
Too long a read. If your looking for a mate may I suggest okcupid.com I had quite a few dates off the site and it was free. I never found the one off that site but I could get maybe a date a week off the site and it was a lot of fun. I found my final date through a close personal friend just a months ago and this is the ideal way to meet someone. Learning to dance goes a long ways with most ladies and is a lot of fun. It could also be a way to meet someone I had been dancing for 3 years and gone on a couple dates that I met while dancing. The magic words I found to get a date where somewhere along the lines Dinner on me and I invited them on a dinner date stating I have more fun meeting them in person and that body language speaks a lot. :-) Good luck On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Brolin Empey bro...@brolin.be wrote: Hello list, Like most of the members of this list (AFAICT from the first names I recognise as sex/gender-specific), I am male. I am 22 and still live with my parents. I have never lived away from my parents. I am planning to hire a support worker to help me live away from my parents (I have another meeting later today) because I continue to indefinitely defer trying to live away from my parents. I named my form of procrastination “priority inversion” because what is, in practical terms, my lowest priority, becomes my highest priority. For example, I choose to spend my free time playing with my computers, including my FreeRunner, instead of learning about human biology and/or nutrition, which will affect me every day of my life, and at least trying to live away from my parents. When I say I play with my computers, I do not mean gaming: I almost never play games anymore. Even when I decide I want to play a game again, I spend all of my time reading about games, viewing screenshots and videos, and trying to decide which of the endless games I should play (or rather, obtain if I do not already have a copy and make work on my PC) instead of actually playing a game. I feel like I am always overwhelmed and/or overloaded with information and stimulation in the Too Much Information Age. I always feel like the NET Effect is that there is Never Enough Time because time flies faster than ever because I am always overthinking, overwhelmed with overchoice, etc. I recognise my mind is a word and pattern recognition engine, which is constantly adding new stimulations/experiences to its database. I have Asperger’s Syndrome, but can function much better, at least in terms of interacting with people in person, than when I was in high school, for example. I used to often feel like I had social anxiety disorder because I would get so anxious and/or worried even when calling someone on the phone (on my parents’s landline because I did not have a cell phone until 2008) that I could not speak clearly enough for the person on the other end to understand me, so I would always have to repeat myself at least once for every turn of the conversation. I am a purist and have been called the most pedantic person in the world by Jamie Zawinski, of Lucid Emacs/XEmacs and Netscape/Mozilla fame. :) Imprecise usage and redundancy bothers me even if know what is meant from the context. For example, I am bothered by people mentioning a “standard” transmission in a vehicle (it is a manual transmission. Standard depends on the vehicle. Automatic is standard for some vehicles.), calling an LCD monitor (a flat panel) a “flat screen” (high-end CRTs have flat glass too!), common redundancies, such as PIN number, ATM machine, LCD display, people who assume all cars use crappy gasoline engines and use fuel-specific terms, such as gas station (it is a service station), gas tank (it is a fuel tank), gas pedal (it is an accellerator), gas pump (I have used a diesel pump at Shell that told me to “select octane” instead of “select ctane” (sp?) or “select fuel grade”. My car has a diesel, not gasoline, engine. I have been highly influenced by my father, Brian Empey. Brian is a Professional Engineer (Electrical Engineering). He founded Technical Solutions Inc. (Techsol) in 1996 with his second wife (my step-mom), Karen Empey (nee Schellenberg). Techsol is an embedded computer hardware company specialising in Linux on ARM architecture. I am very fortunate to be able to work at Techsol. I am a Linux + Windows System Administrator/Web master/IT person/general computer person. I think my responsibiles are more important than my title(s). I know I am very dependent on my parents, but at least I own my own car (which I bought from my dad), have a Class 7 driver’s licence (the Novice stage of the Graduated Licensing Program in British Columbia, Canada. I live in the Lower Mainland of British Columbia, Canada), my own credit union account, debit (Interac) card, MasterCard credit card, personal cheques (not checks!), which I almost never use (I think I have written a
FSO Going Out of the Distro Business? - Questions
Freesmartphone.org is going out of the distro business. We will focus on the framework itself and will rely on SHR for building a real distro and GUI around it. I got the above comment on a bug report I just filed and while I've heard it mentioned, I don't understand the ramifications. 1. How will FSO -test- their stuff during development prior to a distro picking up the release? Don't they need a vanilla distro for their own testing purposes? 2. If not FSO, where can I get a vanilla distro that -excludes- most of the GUI apps and let's me install just that which I want to use? I've been using the FSO distro because it lets me start with a solid kernel + basic services and build up an environment just the way I want. The other distros I've looked at bundle too much and make assumptions about the phone UI and PIM data storage that get in the way of operation. Really just the kernel, an sshd, FSO services, busybox, elementary, X11, Python and an opkg command pointing to a current set of .ipk files would be fine. Am I out of luck and things are going the way of bulky complex distros on Neo as well? -Jeff ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Seeking Extra Packages for FSO Milestone 5.5
I've successfully installed FSO Milestone 5.5 onto my GTA01 hardware and it is working fine. However I miss many of the optional tools I have installed on prior milestones. The directory: http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-stable/milestone5.1/updates/ is missing and that's probably because there are no fixes out yet. Understandable, but where can I obtain the many -optional- packages for Milestone 5.5 such as emacs, libspeex, mplayer, madplay etc.? In case the answer is opkg.org, I'm puzzled by that site. It doesn't have indicators or a way to search by OM distribution, eg. SHR, FSO, DEB, etc. I'm sure every package is not OM distribution agnostic, so how are people managing this kind of compability? Is opkg.org actually the official place to obtain solid, tested packages for an FSO Milestone? Thanks, Jeff ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: good bye google code
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 4:47 AM, Patryk Benderzpatryk.bend...@esp.pl wrote: Would you please avoid registering your new projects to google code? You might want to try http://launchpad.net . it is free also and allow you to delete your code if you do not like it or make a mistake. Sourceforge doesn't allow to delete code :( This is a design philosophy and I agree with sourceforge on principle you should never delete code there are better ways to fix such mistakes. You can always get older code at a know good point and resubmit it as new. -- Kind Regards Patryk Benderz IT Specialist Linux Registered User #377521 +48 22 538 6292 ERSTE Securities Polska S.A. ul. Królewska 16 Warszawa 00-103 KRS 065121 NIP 526-10-27-638 REGON 011136053 Kapitał akcyjny: 15.500.000 złotych (w pełni opłacony) This message and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the addressee(s). Any publication, transmission or other use of the information by a person or entity other than the intended addressee is prohibited. If you receive this in error please contact the sender and delete the material. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions as a result of the transmission. Email secured by Check Point ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Mails about Android
On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 2:53 PM, arne ankaopenm...@ginguppin.de wrote: But as soon as you put Android on it, its a Neo with android on it. Then mails are as deplaced here no, they won't. these lists cover the hardware as well as the software. but prefix the subjects of mails android-specific with [android] They will only be misplaced if the issues on the OS you wish to run on the freerunner have nothing to do with the free runner itself. Example if you find a hardware glitch that has a work around it may be useful in all OSs running on the freerunner. It would also be nice to know specific freerunner related tasks that where don to load OSs in the first place. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
pidgin development version of glib and gtk requirements
current pidgin development is talking about requiring a minimum of glib 2.12.0 and gtk 2.10.0 I'm wondering what versions of glib and gtk openmoko is on? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: pidgin development version of glib and gtk requirements
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 2:04 PM, David Fordda...@blue-labs.org wrote: opkg list | grep glib opkg list | grep gtk+ output please I don't have an openmoko I could try loading the os on my gumstix but I'm not sure how well it will work. Jeff Sadowski wrote: current pidgin development is talking about requiring a minimum of glib 2.12.0 and gtk 2.10.0 I'm wondering what versions of glib and gtk openmoko is on? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-unstable] The date in Dates is incorrect
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Adam Jimersonvend...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday 08 July 2009 01:50:04 am jeremy jozwik wrote: its no minor bug. in the PST8PDT timezone the day would get switched after 6 pm. which is completely unhelpful. i put an email on the pimlico mailing list and have no response in over 2 months. have since switched to gpe-calendar Is this only an issue with PST8PDT? could it be a zone file issue? If you try a different timezone does it work correctly? I have tried gpe-calendar have found a major issue with it usability wise for me it is slow and unresponsive, also between it and ffalrams I think it messed up the ata deamon so now I have to do a weird work around for ffalarms to both schedule and alarm and to have it go off: To schedule an alarm I have to do the following: 1. select the remove alarm option and do the 4 digit thing else I got an error that the ata deamon not working 2. schedule the alarm then restart the phone else it doesn't show up in ffalrams To get the alarm to sound I have to wait a couple minutes after the alarm should have gone off then restart my phone then as illume starts loading the alram will sound. I have been unable to track down the exact cause all I know is it started doing this after installing gpe-calendar, both use the ata deamon IIRC. Sense then I have upgraded ffalrams to the latest version and the problem still exists. Another reason why I use Dates is because I use PISI to sync it to my Google calendar. -- We must plan for freedom, and not only for security, if for no other reason than only freedom can make security more secure. Karl Popper ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: which file system for sd card?
Does anyone use PosixOVL on top of VFAT? I know of this because of slax On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.ca wrote: Anyway, I'm also inclined for FAT, mostly for the simplicity (thus less susceptibility to corruption) and universality of the fs. I'm just left I'd stay away from FAT: its simplicity makes it less susceptible to software bugs, maybe, but still susceptible to corruption. The general recommendation is to go with ext3 (ext2 is more likely to get corrupted on crash or power loss, and fsck is a pain in the rear). The potential performance (and wearout) issue with the journal is only theoretical. Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(
Oooh :-) Idea: Make it shock the user if its not the right user. I smell smoke I think it is coming from over there. Hey look there is my phone. next to a flaming POS. On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Lothar Behrens lothar.behr...@lollisoft.de wrote: Hi, sorry for you all that lost your phone, stolen or lost anyhow by being careless. I also had lost a phone, but not my FR :-) I read the thread, and think about my contract. I have no gprs as of my old phone didn't let me opening web or wap pages. I have some questions and ideas that are in my brain :-) Is there any way to use analog modem connections ? I don't know how much CPU power is needed but when possible a phone could send more data to a dedicated number we could provide for that. If a real modem connection couldn't be used, what about creating a tone modulation for the data to be send as a 'spoken' message to be send back to a number as a voice recorder. The voice recorder then (a Linux PC :-) could decode the data and store the data. All the data could be collected on a web service to probably get the bad guys behind to give that information to the police. The web service also could provide information about stolen devices, thus when a phone gets any wlan connection, it could check for stolen state. This is not that spoof able I think, because the web sevice may be as usual password protected. But the server could provide sms, mms or phone gateways for fallback options. More gateways could be provided by us. The new gateway information could be uploaded by interacting with the user (software updates :-) If a phone didn't have gprs, sms, mms, or wlan, sending prepared 'data voices' would be an option. It didn't need to send much at first to get an answer about the stolen state in that way. I think the recorded data could be decoded in both directions, you don't need much cpu power, because it will be unidirectional, or let the 'protocol' enough time between packed sent and anser packets for decoding. Doing an active voice call may save us the cost of callbacks or sending back sms. With a proper longtime protocol with long pauses or a better solution a lot could be done. Usually you could activate this when the sim card get's changed without any notice to the user. He should still use the phone a while to collect information. We then could start a preinstalled application to authenticate the sim card change. If not options are many. The PIN entry of the normal card could be replaced by the PIN you provide. The user then wouldn't realize it, but claims to enter the correct, we simply accept, but start the timer for the above actions. Or we leave the user in claim that the documentation of it's sim card provider doesn't seem to be correct and he/she must issue a call with the service provider. At that point, the service provider couldn't help for that special phone. The new 'user' HAS to contact the manufacturer and so on you probably get your phone back, because the manufacturer should request for sending back the phone. Getting the state of stolen, the phone could anyway send a message to a police station near the user with spd-say, after the 'anti-theft' server has located the next police station's telephone number with any of the above options sent back to the phone. (Maybe with manual data entry of the phone numbers by us users with POI collection, hehe tangoGPS :-) That way the phone could help actively. Not only 'data voices' could be sent. Also the collected wlan, phone towers, GPS, voice, phone numbers and what else could help to locate the guys behind, as the phones will walk up to the key guys before it would reselled. (Where they all are located would be very nice POI data) With that data, we could help the police. A note about the attack to people currently having your phone: They may not know, that they have a stolen phone, thus you get to be a 'criminal' and beware, you may also get reatacked by the person :-) Giving the police the collected data, would propably help much more. What about all my stupid brain stuff ? Discuss about the possibilities - even stupid ideas as the old 'acustic coupler'. You don't really need all the modern GPRS stuff :-) If that is possible also the cost of operation is not very high I think - even you change your card (you know to start a separate unlocker) Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QT goes LGPL
Yes, this is great news and should greatly accelerate the use of Qt, both on desktop and embedded platforms now that the cost of Qt for most people will be zero even for developing commercial applications. At ICS, as Qt Software's largest consulting partner we are very excited about the new opportunities this will bring. We have a whitepaper on our web site at http://www.ics.com/ that talks about the implications of Qt being available under the LGPL. Risto H. Kurppa wrote: Espoo, Finland -- Nokia today announced that its Qt cross-platform User Interface (UI) and application framework for desktop and embedded platforms will be available under the Lesser General Public License (LGPL) version 2.1 license from the release of Qt 4.5, scheduled for March 2009. Previously, Qt has been made available to the open source community under the General Public License (GPL) license. In addition, Qt will now be available from the new domain, www.qtsoftware.com. http://www.qtsoftware.com/about/news/lgpl-license-option-added-to-qt -- Jeff Tranter, Qt Consulting Manager, Integrated Computer Solutions. ICS - The North American Qt Experts http://ics.com/services/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A new open source hardware: TV-B-Gone
Does the free runner have ir transmitters? If so you can probably use lirc to do all that you need. There should be a lirc driver for the device. If not you would need to add some kind of hardware anyways. The usb device i had pointed to can get extra stuff into lirc with its ir recievers like other comands you may wish to get off of a remote. If you need to add hardware really take a look at the lirc page they have page after page of different ways to hook up ir devices and configuration pages for lots of common remotes. You can build a serial attached device for real cheap embed the stuff in your phone as you desire. On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 7:07 AM, VirtuAlex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff Sadowski wrote: Along this note check out the http://lirc.org/ And you can buy a usb transciever here http://iguanaworks.net/products.psp That is hardly viable solution. For data transmission to some IR device maybe but not as remote. You can stick into FR all sorts of USB goodies. The point is to take FR out of your pocket and start clicking as soon as corresponding app is started. If you need any extra step it defeats the purpose. You may simply buy some ugly universal remote control for about the same price (not FR price of course ;). -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/A-new-open-source-hardware%3A-TV-B-Gone-tp1459956p1464951.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A new open source hardware: TV-B-Gone
So question looking at the freerunner specs it says something like 3 serial ports one for gps one for ... and one for console. The console? Maybe this would be a prime choice for plugging in a lirc transmitter? Once booted and the display is running the console could be used for this right? I'm thinking the console is like my console for my gumstix am I right? On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:55 AM, VirtuAlex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff Sadowski wrote: If you need to add hardware really take a look at the lirc page they have page after page of different ways to hook up ir devices and configuration pages for lots of common remotes. You can build a serial attached device for real cheap embed the stuff in your phone as you desire. Yeap, and that's the beauty of the open phone. If you do not have something out of the box, something you really need, you always can DIY. On the other hand, realistically, very few going to do it. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/A-new-open-source-hardware%3A-TV-B-Gone-tp1459956p1466066.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A new open source hardware: TV-B-Gone
Along this note check out the http://lirc.org/ And you can buy a usb transciever here http://iguanaworks.net/products.psp On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 7:05 AM, VirtuAlex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sébastien Lorquet wrote: (should be posting this to hardware, but not sure of how much people are reading it :) ) the inventor of TV-B-Gone decided to opensource his greatest invention: http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2008/11/patentbgone_inventor_mitc.html nice move :) PS: can we have IRDA on GTA0n? :) I saw it for quite a some time on http://www.ladyada.net/make/tvbgone/ http://www.ladyada.net/make/tvbgone/ along with minty boost charger. It seems to be of limited usefulness as a stand alone device, but turning FR into universal remote control is indeed a nice idea. By the way would it turn off arrivals/departures monitors in an airport? And if so, would it count as an act of terrorism? ;) -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/A-new-open-source-hardware%3A-TV-B-Gone-tp1459956p1460133.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is it possible to netboot a FreeRunner?
You would probably need a driver built into uboot to recognize a usb network device or maybe a way in uboot to setup wifi. I know my avaya wireless phones look for new images on my tftp server when they boot. Maybe if there was a way to replace a live kernel that might work for you? On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Jan Keymeulen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun 31 August 2008 om 14:30:11 GMT Al Johnson told us: On Saturday 30 August 2008, Andreas Zuber wrote: Am Samstag 30 August 2008 10:06:01 schrieb Torfinn Ingolfsen: Hi, I just got a strange idea into my head. So I'll ask a possibly silly question: Is it possble to netboot a Neo FreeRunner? Can you netboot at all over usb? Does uboot have netbot support? I know uboot from an other embedded system, where it was installed, and it is able to download a kernel from a tftp server to the memory. This is done by the tftpboot command. There is also a dhcp command so uboot can get an ip for the network. But i dont know if uboot can handle the usb as a network device. Someone has already tried this? I think it can be done, but you will now need a custom kernel. When moving the USB ethernet gadget driver from built-in to module Andy Green (IIRC) mentioned that someone needed it builtin for netbooting with rootfs on NFS. Booting with rootfs on nfs != netbooting. Netbooting gets a kernel from a tftpserver, while rootfs on nfs requires a kernel already loaded. The problem here is that it's uncertain whether uboot can handle the usb network interface (or wireless or bluetooth). -- There are more love songs than anything else. If songs could make you do something we'd all love one another. -- Frank Zappa ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA05 suggestions
It would be cool to have one as a USB host and another as usb client. 2008/8/29 Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Lally Singh wrote: On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Radek Bartoň [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Card accesible from outside would be great too. Disassembling hood and SIM card is really annoying so far. A second USB port would be nice, too. There's a lot of fun to be had in hooking external electronics to the OM. Honestly, so much fun that it's really worth exploring. But, it's not really fair to expect OM to sell (or bundle in) all the little goodies we'd like, like the X10 transceiver, compass, etc. Instead, how about two screw bolts around one of the USB connectors (like the PSP) and some means of getting a little plastic case electronics board that plugs in. I'm thinking more of a listing with a 3rd party USB enclosure for custom electronics. Let the community build the cool stuff, and we'll share what we did! OM's only got to: 1) decide on a USB enclosure to be physically compatible with 2) add in the screw bolts around a USB port. And the rest of us can have all the fun hacking away with the possibilities :-) I think that this is a great idea, but to clarify, this should be a _second_ USB port, so that you can be charging / usb networking while using these add-on devices you buy/build... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM calls fail after a while on OM2008.8 update (with Zecke repo)
On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 13:43 +0100, Russell Hay wrote: Hi list, after a while I find that I cannot dial out (GSM calls) from the Freerunner OM2008.8. Calls simply don't complete. This is using the default dialler - I haven't installed any other dialler. I've noticed this too, haven't got round to looking for a bug report yet. However, a temporary workaround is to reset gsm with a 'killall qpe' and click 'Restart' on the dialogue that pops up, you'll have to re-enter your PIN but it lets me call again (saves a lengthy reboot). Jeff signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: BT keyboards with FR?
You mean none of you have the http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/8193/ Laser projected keyboard? Would it work? On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 3:46 AM, Esben Stien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ben Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am considering buying a portable BT keyboard to go with my FreeRunner and would appreciate hearing from anyone who is already using a BT keyboard I'm using Debian with a dinovo mini and first of all I must say that the mousepad on this keyboard is pretty awesome, though the keys are a little strange (no ctrl on right side and no meta on left, f.ex) and it's not really built for field use. I still haven't set it up right, so I run a script at every boot : modprobe hci_usb modprobe ohci-hcd echo 1 /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on echo 0 /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/reset hidd --search I need to press the connect button on the keyboard at every boot, so need a solution there. I do have problems typing in console, as it seems to just drop certain characters. Really strange. In Xorg it works flawlessly. -- Esben Stien is [EMAIL PROTECTED] s a http://www. s tn m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@n n ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Sold out aaaah
http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner Maybe by the time I get a chance to buy one they will have enough processor power, ram and disk space to replace my laptop. Every time I even look to buy it I see the sold out. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Windows CE on freerunner
Yes you could it would be the same as putting windows ce on a gumstix. When I first read this I was thinking I had to set someone straight. You probably already know this but I will say it anyways. You can buy a phone with windows ce on it already and it would be cheaper and could do all the same things that you would be able to do with windows ce on the free runner the whole reason to buy a freerunner is the fact that they support linux. With linux and a good programmer you can do things you could never have dreamed of under windows because of licensing stipulations. and there just isn't the driver support for windows ce on the arm processor. On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 6:32 PM, David Samblas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your friend is the evil temptating you doing nasty things, don't listen him , run away as far as you can, El vie, 22-08-2008 a las 05:51 +0530, Vikas Saurabh escribió: Hi All, I really don't want to use windows on my moko. Its rather to prove a point to a friend of mine. So, can we install windows (if we somehow get the flash image of the OS)? Or more simply asked can I configure uBoot to launch a Hello World program that I compile completely statically? --Vikas PS: I guess there would be problems with the driver etc. But I that should be OKas long as I can have the booting up part.. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Windows CE on freerunner
you would need to replace uboot its ugly On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 7:20 PM, Vikas Saurabh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Totally agreed but it would still be fun have my own hello world program running. Can I have a HelloWorld named as uImage.bin and which can be loaded by uboot. Wait I would try that out myselfshould be interesting :) --Vikas PS: On a lighter note, I cant run away from that friend, he sits right beside my cube in my office :) On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 6:02 AM, David Samblas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your friend is the evil temptating you doing nasty things, don't listen him , run away as far as you can, El vie, 22-08-2008 a las 05:51 +0530, Vikas Saurabh escribió: Hi All, I really don't want to use windows on my moko. Its rather to prove a point to a friend of mine. So, can we install windows (if we somehow get the flash image of the OS)? Or more simply asked can I configure uBoot to launch a Hello World program that I compile completely statically? --Vikas PS: I guess there would be problems with the driver etc. But I that should be OKas long as I can have the booting up part.. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Windows CE on freerunner
you can with a normal OS windows has its own bootloader On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Vikas Saurabh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why can't I fool the bootloader to think that I am a kernel. I always thought boot loaders just load the kernel image, pass it some parameters and start executing them. I had done this helloworld kind of thing with grub during college...but then maybe grub is advanced. What puzzles me is how exactly? On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 6:58 AM, Jeff Sadowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you would need to replace uboot its ugly ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Phone that works on all networks? Not necessarily symotaniously.
I understand the openmoko phone works on GSM networks? I think I read somewhere that Verizon uses CDMA and not GSM. Are there plans to have a phone that will connect to a CDMA network? Is there a way to incorporate say like a module to add/remove to use any cellular network you want? Not that I want to use verizon or att or any network in particular but I would like a choice. At this point in time I hate cell phones and cell phone networks; I have high hopes for this project to maybe standardize the industry. One OS to rule them all. As is now the same cell phone for different companies works way different example: a razor for verizon is way different then a razor for ATT. I was looking at the menus and options and they are so different I wouldn't even consider it the same phone. I'd like to see the same options across the board from att to verizon to tmoble ... The one thing I couldn't find on the ATT interface for the razor was the Airplane mode. Airplane mode turns off the radio so that if you are in a place with no reception you don't waist your batteries and can still use your phone for the other tasks like snapping a quick picture when you don't have your real camera next to you. Or an alarm clock or calculator or ... I live in Albuquerque NM I'm wondering if I even have a choice of any networks that I could use the openmoko project with. I would like to get started with it. It interests me. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?
BestSkinsEver is the same type of material as InvisibleShield, only much cheaper. Dunno if they have anything suitable for the OM though. On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Thomas Bertani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/8/11 Geoff Ruscoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Ilja O. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got confirmation @ Jul 24 Your item has been shipped message @ Jul 28 And received it today (11 Aug). That's in Europe. Quite slow, but you'll eventually get it. I got mine too. About the same time frame (here in the U.S.) how it is? usefull? some photos of the pack you received? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008 WTF??
Or get a phone from some generic vendor. Apple has a cool and slick one called iPhone. Might suite you just fine. The iPhone can at least make and receive phone calls reliably, which seems to put it ahead of the FreeRunner at this point. Telling people to buy another phone if they want one that makes phone calls is not exactly the kind of product endorsement most people are looking for. It's like saying Well, what do you mean you don't want this open-source patent free hammer? I mean sure, if you want to get /technical/ about it, it's actually a jelly donut that can't be used to hammer a nail, but I'm charging the same price as the hardware store and you get the recipe too! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
FR GPRS speed
What's the highest internet speed the GRPS modem on the FR is capable of? Wikipedia gives a very broad range for sub-EDGE technology. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008 WTF??
The smartphone is both hardware and software - it's not as trivial as a hammer that you compared it with. Few analogies fit 1:1. It was just an example. Coverage of the FR gives one the impression that it's a phone for general use and not a development phone. You have to look at the wiki before you find out the phone software isn't ready for primetime. The software is not finished yet. This is stated almost everywhere. It's not stated on the ordering page or in a lot of the news coverage where people find out about these things. Hence - if a person wants a ready to use phone, openmoko is not the way to go. I'm pretty sure you'd agree (at it's present state). Yes, I agree, but people that bought one without knowing the full extent are going to be mad. It's essentially a $400 mistakethe only real return policy stated is against the hardware being DOA and not buyer's regret. With that being the case I think you really need to manage expectations of what's coming in the box. And we especially need to get rid of this Well FINE, go buy an IPHONE then! attitude. It's not so much telling someone they'd be happier with an iphone as it the fact that one would imagine it being said in the same tone you would use to go tell someone to jump in a lake. I think managing expectations is the crucial part...even slashdot had a pretty lukewarm response to the FR, going by the comments. Most of the discussion I've seen around the web seems to focus on the preliminary state of the software rather than then openness of the phone. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Opening the Cellwaves
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:22:17 -0700 Doug Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...If we follow the second path, we'll fail at a fundamental mission, which is opening the infrastructure itself. To do that we need to create open phones that are damned good at being Net-generation radios and televisions, as well as recording and producing devices. We also need to work at making clear how much more business the carriers and phone makers will find in a world of generative devices, rather than locked-down ones — a world where anything is possible, rather than one where legacy monopolies get leveraged for the duration. This is why I spent $400 on a Neo FreeRunner instead of $300 on an iPhone. I value my freedom, and if I'm going to be locked down to a carrier under a contract, I'm going to make sure I make maximum use of what I can get under that contract. A good friend of mine has the iPhone... he's into Free software but just didn't want to deal with an unstable platform. Every now and then, I can do something cool on the Moko that he can't on the iPhone because Apple has their SDK locked down so tight. It's those moments that I really realize it's worth it. Also, there's no comparison between TangoGPS and the GPS software that ships with the iPhone. TangoGPS absolutely beats Apple's offering in every possible way. -Jeff -- Jeff Tickle - 828-262-7123 Operations and Systems Analyst Electronic Student Services Appalachian State University http://ess.appstate.edu http://phpwebsite.appstate.edu ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Speed Reading Application
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:11:10 -0400 Charles Pax [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just saw this post on Digg: http://digg.com/software/Read_Faster_Way_Faster_No_really_I_mean_WAY_faster There is a web application that flashed individual words from a body of text you input. Is anyone interested in an app like this on Openmoko? The app: http://www.spreeder.com/ I actually made something similar a month or two ago, although admittedly it's not as pretty and refined: http://jefftickle.com/spead/ I had planned on starting a project for this on the OM, although the real world has me tied up all this week. -Jeff -- Jeff Tickle - 828-262-7123 Operations and Systems Analyst Electronic Student Services Appalachian State University http://ess.appstate.edu http://phpwebsite.appstate.edu ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What is Exposure?
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:00:59 +0100 Michael Sheldon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher White wrote: On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 11:45 -0400, Jeff Tickle wrote: On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:20:53 + Christopher White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm running stock ASU package set, just did an opkg update and upgrade. I launch Exposure from the front screen, get the Starting Exposure at the bottom, but then nothing. I had the same problem. Looks like a packaging bug or something. Wow...found this little gem (see below) in a different thread about the ASU keyboard. Once I switched to the new opkg feeds, exposure works just fine. Thanks for packaging it up Michael. BTW, where did you find this info about the feeds? I didn't see anything like this on the wiki? It was the mention on the bug report Jeff linked to in the ASU keyboard thread that we should be using the packages from downloads.openmoko.org that put me on the right track, after that it was just a matter of poking around to find the up-to-date ASU repositories there and update the opkg feed configs. Heh, glad to help. To answer the original question: Exposure is ASU's way of turning on and off the individual antennas, basically. I only post that here since I see some people still haven't gotten it to work. -Jeff -- Jeff Tickle - 828-262-7123 Operations and Systems Analyst Electronic Student Services Appalachian State University http://ess.appstate.edu http://phpwebsite.appstate.edu ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ringtone and vibration configuration
On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:55:03 -0400 Dylan Reilly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am hoping to make some scripts, etc. for incoming call scenarios. 1) What mixer setting in alsamixer controls the ringtone volume? 2) What alsa profile is used when a call is first incoming? gsmhandset.state? 3) How can one control the state of the vibrations (on, off, and ideally etc.)? I know the answer to this must be somewhere but despite looking near and far I could not find it documented. I was curious about this as well and did some digging around in /sys. I was also curious about how to access the hardware LEDs from software. Turns out, the vibration is actually treated like a LED. The following files are important: Vibration: /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-vibrator.0/leds/neo1973:vibrator/brightness LEDs: /sys/devices/platform/gta02-led.0/leds/gta02-aux:red/brightness /sys/devices/platform/gta02-led.0/leds/gta02-power:blue/brightness /sys/devices/platform/gta02-led.0/leds/gta02-power:orange/brightness For the LEDs, you can echo 1 for on or 0 for off to any of these files to control the state of the LEDs. For the Vibration, my very limited testing indicates it will accept a range of 0-255, with 0 being off and 255 being full force. So, you can actually set the strength of vibration. Keep in mind that the vibration will positively eat your battery, so use with caution! -Jeff -- Jeff Tickle - 828-262-7123 Operations and Systems Analyst Electronic Student Services Appalachian State University http://ess.appstate.edu http://phpwebsite.appstate.edu ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
ASU Keyboard yet again
Hey all,
I just installed the ASU daily build from buildhost yesterday (23 Jul),
and there doesn't seem to be an on-screen keyboard.
I've been doing a lot of searching around to find out what's up with
the keyboard. I know that it was added as a 'qwerty' button, and then
removed because the devs want it to automatically appear when there's
text to enter and automatically disappear appropriately. I'd
personally prefer the manual mode, but I can understand why someone
would want this done automatically.
Problem for me is that the keyboard never automatically pops up. I
know this isn't an isolated incident, as this bug report exists:
http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1663
Of course there's a mention of using some ASU image from
downloads.openmoko.org instead of buildhost.openmoko.org, but I can't
find anything ASU-related after sometime in May on the downloads site.
I tried editing the
file /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/illume.edj and setting
'visible: 1' under the 'part { name: kbdtext' section, but that
caused the whole UI to be useless (looks like this file is some sort of
compiled binary, I couldn't find any information on it.)
So, in short: what is up with the keyboard?
-Jeff
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Re: What is Exposure?
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:20:53 + Christopher White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm running stock ASU package set, just did an opkg update and upgrade. I launch Exposure from the front screen, get the Starting Exposure at the bottom, but then nothing. I had the same problem. Looks like a packaging bug or something. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# find / |grep exposure /usr/lib/opkg/info/exposure.control /usr/lib/opkg/info/exposure.list /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/exposure.py /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/exposure.pyo /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/exposure-0.2-py2.5.egg-info /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/exposure-0.2-py2.5.egg-info/PKG-INFO /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/exposure-0.2-py2.5.egg-info/SOURCES.txt /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/exposure-0.2-py2.5.egg-info/top_level.txt /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/exposure-0.2-py2.5.egg-info/requires.txt /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/exposure-0.2-py2.5.egg-info/dependency_links.txt /usr/share/exposure /usr/share/exposure/exposure.edj /usr/share/images/exposure.jpg /usr/share/applications/exposure.desktop Notice that there is no 'exposure' or 'exposure.py' in a path anywhere, and the .desktop file in /usr/share/applications does not specify a path. I tried to manually run it from SSH, and that didn't work: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# DISPLAY=0:0 python /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/exposure.py This is a module which has to be launched via the app-launcherd.py: python app-launcherd.py exposure [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# python app-launcherd.py exposure python: can't open file 'app-launcherd.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory I'm not really sure where to go from here. 'opkg whatprovides' wasn't helpful at all. -Jeff -- Jeff Tickle - 828-262-7123 Operations and Systems Analyst Electronic Student Services Appalachian State University http://ess.appstate.edu http://phpwebsite.appstate.edu ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tangogps pre-cache?
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:35:13 -0700 Steven Kurylo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The tango gps documentation says Additionally you can conveniently pre-cache areas. Can anyone tell me how to do this? I can scroll around and have those tiles cached for off line use, but a pre-cache would be great. Downloading all the OSM tiles and all the zoom levels for a 20km radios would be excellent. You can zoom out to encompass the area you want to download maps for. Then, give the map a single tap. From the context menu, select 'map download'. You can pick how many zoom levels in it should go. Make sure to go to the Config tab and change the 'Cache Dir', because it puts them in /tmp by default! -Jeff -- Jeff Tickle - 828-262-7123 Operations and Systems Analyst Electronic Student Services Appalachian State University http://ess.appstate.edu http://phpwebsite.appstate.edu ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ASU Keyboard yet again
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:18:52 +0100
Michael Sheldon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jeff Tickle wrote:
Hey all,
I just installed the ASU daily build from buildhost yesterday (23
Jul), and there doesn't seem to be an on-screen keyboard.
I've been doing a lot of searching around to find out what's up with
the keyboard. I know that it was added as a 'qwerty' button, and
then removed because the devs want it to automatically appear when
there's text to enter and automatically disappear appropriately.
I'd personally prefer the manual mode, but I can understand why
someone would want this done automatically.
Problem for me is that the keyboard never automatically pops up. I
know this isn't an isolated incident, as this bug report exists:
http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1663
Of course there's a mention of using some ASU image from
downloads.openmoko.org instead of buildhost.openmoko.org, but I
can't find anything ASU-related after sometime in May on the
downloads site.
I had the same issue, the problem is that buildhost isn't building
ASU packages from the ASU dev git tree (I'd guess because it's mostly
aimed at people running 2007.02). What you need to do is change your
opkg feeds to use
http://downloads.openmoko.org/openmoko-repository/ASU/ which has all
the new packages (including an updated version of qpe with keyboard
support enabled). You can download the correct config files from:
http://www.mikeasoft.com/~mike/opkg-asu.tar.gz
Just move /etc/opkg to /etc/opkg-backup then unpack that to /etc,
then: opkg update opkg upgrade /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart
The keyboard should now pop up automatically when text areas
request it.
I tried editing the
file /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/illume.edj and setting
'visible: 1' under the 'part { name: kbdtext' section, but that
caused the whole UI to be useless (looks like this file is some
sort of compiled binary, I couldn't find any information on it.)
So, in short: what is up with the keyboard?
You can grab an illume theme with the qwerty button restored from:
http://www.mikeasoft.com/~mike/illume.edj
Just drop that in to /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/ (note
that you'll need to overwrite it again each time illume-theme is
updated though).
ASU is AWESOME once it's working properly. Thanks so much!
I'd like to put this on the Wiki. Is it okay if I link directly to
those files, or is there some way we can upload such arbitrary files to
the current wiki?
-Jeff
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Re: Package and image signatures
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 07:26:01AM +0200, Kalle Happonen wrote: Hi, would it be possible to add signatures for the packages and hashes for the images? As well, the prebuilt image files should have at least one of: md5sum, sha1sum, or pgp signature files. -- Jeff My other computer is an abacus. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: shipping very expensive
FWIW Buenos Aires, Argentina was $140 (2 fones + dev board). Federico Lorenzi wrote: Ha, only 100 dollars for you. Shipping to South Africa is $160 On 7/7/08, Flyin_bbb8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey everyone i live in Qatar, and just to see how much the shipping would be for the 900 MHz i just tried to check out the 850 version and shipping to Doha - Qatar ( where i stay ) with UPS worldwide expedited is 97.59 USD, and UPS saver 101.23 USD, that's just unacceptable and very expensive. why so? and why do we not have other choices like FedEx or DHL or even others... why are we restricted on using just UPS, we should have more options... i have done other purchases from other websites and normally the shipping would be between 20 USD to 40 USD as a maximum... but not 97 USD ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
openmoko on ebay
I've been a bit to busy with work to ever do anything on my neo advanced kit, so I'm passing it on to someone who can, It's up on ebay, I'll put up some pictures when my camera battery charges http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=160226011921 good luck -- Jeff O|||O ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using Wi-fi on Neo FreeRunner
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N800 The operating system, Internet Tablet OS 2007 (also known as Maemo), is a modified version of Debian GNU/Linux (running Linux 2.6.18) isn't maemo derived from OE too? -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko and accessories design
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 5:06 PM, joerg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mi 12. März 2008 schrieb Etienne: Chances to see any kind of changes in layout of GTA02 PCB/housing are *very* low i think. especially since the GSM antenna is at the bottom ( as far away from the gps antenna as possible) -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using Wi-fi on Neo FreeRunner
On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Mary Stovel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In fact, I named my dog Moko.http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community just in case you're wondering why all the latino people are laughing, moko is booger in spanish... depending on your dog this may be appropriate -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Go Phone without the phone
If you can make it into a ATT mobile store, they can help you, bring along the list of working SIM cards though (most of the people working there have no idea that there's any difference) On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Ajit Natarajan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Is there a way to subscribe to ATT Go Phone in the U.S. without purchasing one of their phones? Their web site at http://gophone.com offers a three step process. The second step requires selecting one of their phones. If I purchase a Neo, how would I opt for a Go Phone deal? Thanks. Ajit ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Thufir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:23:07 +0100, kenneth marken wrote: like pidgin for im support of any kind. Now *that* is a cool idea :) probably not pidgin itself, it's not set up for a full screen display... but libpurple is the engine behind pidgin, all that's needed is a custom front-end Personally, I'd like to see a plugin for pidgin that turns it into an IM proxy... the NEO would connect in to my system here and use pidgin on it... that way I have unified logs, a single place to sign in, etc -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: And Now For Something Completely Different...
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At least this was Harald Weltes version of what the name means... it's also on one of those first sets of slides that sean distributed -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: brainstorming/organisation software
On Feb 10, 2008 6:42 PM, Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm looking for some software to eventually go on my neo, but i've no idea what it would be called I think mind mapping might be what you're looking for, check out here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_map for software the gold standard is mindmanager www.mindjet.com but that seems to be windows/mac only. I used this for what you're describing and some note taking on a tablet when I was in school. I saw another that is java based, haven't used it but http://freemind.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page this might eventually run on the neo. anyways check these out, see if they do what you want -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki - confusion
On Feb 5, 2008 10:29 AM, JW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok will use this in Wiki from now on. Still seems wierd to have 2 names for 1 phone... anyways... it's pretty much standard practice, most products have internal and external names. take jeeps for example, you almost never hear the names wrangler or cherokee but you hear a lot about TJ's, YJ's and Xj's -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wanted: beta testers for QuantumSTEP on the Neo GTA01
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Re: FM Tuner for RDS on the Neo ?
On Jan 30, 2008 6:07 AM, Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip This is a usual question. Although you could configure the USB port in host mode. It would be unpowered. snip Regards Tilman I haven't heard anything about it for a while, but IIRC freerunner is supposed to have a powered USB port -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: digital compass modules
sparkfun has a few, this one jumped out at me, but check out the rest http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=7892 On Jan 22, 2008 8:02 PM, Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've got a project in mind for when my neo freerunner arrives, that needs a digital compass. only a simple thing, probably 3 degree accuracy would be enough. so, can anyone recommend a suitable module? something less than $50? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)
On Jan 11, 2008 11:26 PM, Ted Lemon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 11, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Lon Lentz wrote: I read the not so happy comments following the Gizmodo article. A lot of those comments have been made here on this list. Like the repeated ones about the boot scroll being visible. I thought that was weird. The boot scroll is one of my favorite parts! agreed... plus how often does a consumer ready phone get rebooted? last time I did mine was to swap the sim card into my neo -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update, January 2, 2008
FreeRunner is due for release at the end of Spring, but which Spring is this? East Asia? US? Europe? I have to say, spring is a bad description of when FreeRunner will be released, though from my knowledge East Asia, the US and Europe all have spring at the same time +- 24 hours. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be spring in the southern hemisphere since that's still ten and a half months away. Jeff ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: usb network dongle (was Re: dhcp on usb0)
On 12/7/07, Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 07 December 2007, Jay Vaughan wrote: The USB connector on the Neo can be switched from client to host mode, but last I heard (some time ago now) the code to do the switching hadn't been implemented. Thats very interesting - if anyone has any technical details on how this works I'd like to hear about it because there are USB devices (MIDI interface) I'd very much like to get working with my neo if I can .. Just found this - looks like there's now a patch http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_USB_host You also need the host mode cable which IIRC only comes with the developers' version, or you can make one yourself. Then you either need self-powered devices, a self-powered hub or a cable mod to provide the 5V because the GTA01 can't provide the power for devices. Okay, I have two advanced developers kits (with boards), but I don't have any special cable .. or do I? How does it work? Sean's 'New Oceans' announcement on 27/06/2007 said the dev kit would include a USB host mode cable that wouldn't be included with the base model. This doesn't appear in the specs at openmoko.com though, so perhaps they never shipped them. See the link above for instructions on a DIY cable. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I looked for this when my advanced kit showed up, the response I got was that the host mode cable had been canceled: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/device-owners/2007-August/000219.html -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A problem with usb networking
It sounds like you just need to bridge the connections... check here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31632 On 12/5/07, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 05.12.2007 um 22:36 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm able to ping the phone and my laptop, too. But I can't connect to the internet: when I use ipkg update or the web browser, nothing... Looks like your laptop has no appropriate entry in its routing table to forward traffic from your Neo to the Internet. I know this issue from MacOS X where you must turn Internet Sharing on. -- hns ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: need someone to develop this....
um, is anyone that's replied on this thread a member of the University of Glasgow team that developed the software(shoogle)? I'm guessing not. it has obviously already been invented, which means that disclosure arguments are rendered moot by prior art. Moreover, trying to patent something that someone else invented is theft of intellectual property... preventing this is one of the reasons the GPL exists. If you want to go forward on this, check with the authors(see below for contact information) they'd probably be delighted to have community help in developing it. Authors(taken from http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~rod/publications/WilMurHug07Interactive.pdf ): John Williamson Dept. Computing Science University of Glasgow Glasgow G!2 8QQ, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] Roderick Murray-Smith Dept. Computing Science University of Glasgow Glasgow G!2 8QQ, UK and Hamilton Institute National University of Ireland Maynooth, Ireland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stephen Hughes Dept. Computing Science University of Glasgow Glasgow G!2 8QQ, UK and SAMH Engineering -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: need someone to develop this....
sorry, missed some of the topic shift, but again, there's that youtube video posted previously showing something extremely similar It's also interesting that this could work more like a pre-shared key... we don't have to use asynchronous crypto since both devices could generate the same key off of the shake pattern the challenge in doing this is determining when the shake starts to get everything synchronized On 12/3/07, Randall Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I don't think shoogle mentioned the pairing-shaking security idea. I thought that they were only creating non visual user interfaces to things like number of SMSs and battery charge. The main similarity is shaking, which maracas and rainsticks both clearly have prior art on these ideas. Randall On 12/3/07, Jeff Andros [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: um, is anyone that's replied on this thread a member of the University of Glasgow team that developed the software(shoogle)? I'm guessing not. it has obviously already been invented, which means that disclosure arguments are rendered moot by prior art. Moreover, trying to patent something that someone else invented is theft of intellectual property... preventing this is one of the reasons the GPL exists. If you want to go forward on this, check with the authors(see below for contact information) they'd probably be delighted to have community help in developing it. Authors(taken from http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~rod/publications/WilMurHug07Interactive.pdfhttp://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/%7Erod/publications/WilMurHug07Interactive.pdf): John Williamson Dept. Computing Science University of Glasgow Glasgow G!2 8QQ, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] Roderick Murray-Smith Dept. Computing Science University of Glasgow Glasgow G!2 8QQ, UK and Hamilton Institute National University of Ireland Maynooth, Ireland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stephen Hughes Dept. Computing Science University of Glasgow Glasgow G!2 8QQ, UK and SAMH Engineering -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Randall Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: /. : Feds Have Access To Cellphone Tracking On Request
On 11/25/07, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Can people ever be compelled to supply truthful GPS information to LEO as long as open source cellphones are legal? OK, legal matters aside, your network operators ALWAYS know where your phone is: cell towers can triangulate the position of your phone(it's like reverse GPS... multiple receivers on a single source). Most of the phone navigation, at least here in the US uses this technology... not GPS. Which firmware the phone runs is a non-issue.. they don't ask you they ask for that data. Technically the only way to prevent this is to not transmit. It is technically possible to re-write the GSMD to power down the GSM module unless you are placing a call (You'd still be traceable whilst actually placing a call, but not traceable otherwise) the downside is, you wouldn't be able to receive calls. Stopping the cell towers from tracing you wouldn't help either: It would be possible to set up an alternate antenna farm that decodes enough of the GSM signal to identify the transmitter. Pretty much at this point you should be realizing that there are only two possible ways to fix this: one is the legal things we're not talking about, because that's not my area of expertise (besides, I'm not sure how effective it would be), the other is to stop using any kind of transmitting device... technically anything that uses electricity. -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FM radio reception on neo/openmoko and some other questions
On 11/9/07, Georg Michelitsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I'm interested in a FM transmitter in order to for example listen to my music on my car's radio. /snip This could also enable some really cool speakerphone abilities, as long as we can then filter the audio input to remove the echo -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: i'm going to lose my neo....
there was another one... it was a pair of little metal boxes... you stuck one to the object... the other one would sound an alarm if you walked away On 11/8/07, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff Andros wrote: Thinkgeek used to sell something like this, but I couldn't find it on their site... look around, they're out there It was a USB dongle to lock your PC if you moved outside a certain range, if I recall. I remember seeing it too at one point, but the software for the gadget was Windows-only. -id ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: i'm going to lose my neo....
On 11/8/07, Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what i would like is a (v. small) device that i can carry in my wallet, or somewhere, that sounds a reminder (on the phone, or external device) when it moves out of range. it doesn't have to be any fancy bluetooth or wi-fi or GPS thing, some simple technology for measuring proximity and triggering a signal would suffice Thinkgeek used to sell something like this, but I couldn't find it on their site... look around, they're out there -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: community@lists.openmoko.org
On 10/25/07, Karsten Ensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip [flame] If you weren't subscribed then, why haven't you searched the archive before asking (and especially before complaining that no information was given at all)? [/flame] snip Regards Karsten I can see what you're saying, people who subscribed right after one of Micheal or Sean's really important emails might wait for a while before the next one. To them, it would appear that these things never go out, and that they're in the dark. It seems to me that we see these kind of conversations start about every other month. What about creating a state of the project email that is sent on subscribe, kind of a welcome to openmoko, here's what's going on: a 2 minute blurb to bring people up to speed, and reference them to the appropriate wiki pages to find out what else they need? This would need to be kept reasonably up to date, probably revised after every big announcement, and after the bi-weekly emails. To a new subscriber though, it would give them an official answer about what's going on, until they can see some of the updates that get sent out. What do people think? Might this solve some of the problem? -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: SSH Confusion -- Question
I hope I have not been too much of a bonehead. I found this (http://www.cpqlinux.com/sshcopy.html) on ssh file copying -- which I'll need to do tomorrow as I try to put an image in the sd card via my new ssh facility. This information might also be useful for newbies like me. I agree that Google is my friend. I appreciate the help I have gotten. I'll try not to abuse. George The general rule is, the older the list, the less tolerant of such things they tend to be, this is a pretty young one, so don't worry TOO much. Also one of the guiding ideals of the project is that it will eventually be ready for mass-market users (Sean said he wanted it to be a phone his dad could use) Once that happens, we're going to get a flood of these kind of questions, unless we're ready for them... asking questions like this helps tweak that process I've started a linux newbies section in the other resources page on the wiki(http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Other_Resources) (I'm not sure if that info should go there or on its own page, but with the current navigation, it seemed like the best place to put it) and included the previous links. Eventually it would be nice to have a convenient look on the wiki here and it will get you to the right place link for questions like this. -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: community@lists.openmoko.org
On 10/24/07, AVee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what FIC is doing here is providing community service and goes beyond any obligation they have toward us. I really annoys me when people claim a right to get something *for free*. It doesn't work that way, you can ask, but you just can't make demands. AVee -- meeting, n.: An assembly of people coming together to decide what person or department not represented in the room must solve a problem. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Ok, everybody chill for a second. AVee's right, we're getting way more info, and a deeper look into FIC and OpenMoko's dev process than you get from any other company... some craziness and confusion is pretty much standard for any product development... normally by the time apple or HP or whoever announces a product, that is a distant memory, and it's all been sorted out. On the other hand, the community members are a part of the development process, like any development team we can expect to be kept in the loop. Keeping half your team in the dark is a sure way to kill a project. The problem is, developing products like this is in it's infancy. I'm not sure that this is the first hardware product that's both large-scale and community based, but if not it's pretty close. The openmoko team is not only having to develop a product, they're also having to develop how to create an open, commercial hardware platform. Michael was hired to address some of these communication issues. As I understand it (and please correct me if I'm wrong) he's here to be our liason into the company's progress. We're all so used to big faceless companies that you have to wheedle decent service out of, that some of us have forgotten how to do anything else. Next time there is a question like this, lets keep it civil, there may be a delay in getting back to you because people have to go find the answer, or it's not something that's been set yet. Worst case, there are people inside OpenMoko(is there a set rule of how to capitalize that? OpenMoko, Openmoko, OpenMoKo?) that will answer your question, but be aware that most of them have other duties... If you're asking Harald a question, realize answering your question takes time away from developing. anyways, let's try to be patient... remember we're still at the crawling phase -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: community@lists.openmoko.org
On 10/24/07, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, the alternative is for the people who are actually producing the item to make an announcement. What is so difficult and unreasonable about that concept?? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community keep in mind that: - you're dealing with what is essentially a community project, the official team is small and lean... taking time out to make announcements used to mean taking a developer/manager off of developing/managing... Michael is just getting into his swing for this - you're dealing with a pre-production project... release dates are more goals to hit than hard and firm dates... they could have another block issue and have to scrap the design and do it a fifth time (knocking on my desk... I think it has some wood in it somewhere) - this is one of (if not the first) hardware platforms of this scope that's open and community driven... a lot of the process/procedure is being made up as we go along -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Exact release date of GTA01Bv4?
just making sure this pops up on Michael's email, he said to send him any place in the wiki that it says october On 10/23/07, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or perhaps just a correction on the wiki giving us a better estimate of when the GTA02 will be available :o) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison still says October 2007 for the GTA02 -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G status within the US?
you might try swapping your sim card for one of the newer ones (somehow make it not work, I think it's like $5 to replace it and update your sim number) the one I got middle of last month works... even with the 3G fireball on it On 10/8/07, Joe Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ian douglas writes: The version number on my TMobile SIM is 39.01a and does NOT work. My ATT SIM is listed on the wiki within the range of serial numbers that will not work. The version number on my (working) T-Mobile SIM is 37.05A. Just another data point... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko talk at SDForum, Palo Alto
someone get video? I'd love to see the vi slides ;-) On 10/8/07, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'll be giving a talk about OpenMoko at the SDForum's meeting this Wednesday, October 10, in Palo Alto, California snip Michael -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G status within the US?
the numbers I see are: 71234 O 4022 sorry, I'm not sending my IMEI down a public channel On 10/8/07, Joe Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Though Ian's problem is with a SIM that's newer than mine... as another data point, what's the version number on yours? snip -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G status within the US?
sorry, I'm not sending my IMEI down a public channel d'oh... the ICCID -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth Heartrate Monitor (was: Hardiness of the Neo1973?)
On 9/28/07, Martin Thierer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone on this list with access to such a device who could check? Martin ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community According to garmin's site, they use ANT -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: application idea
On 9/13/07, Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The biggest challenge would be a mapping from gps coordinates to regions/postcodes or such. I believe Yahoo maps among others provides this geocoding data, but as I think of it, this could blow out into something larger: Imagine a defined standard for location based data, similar to the way RSS works. as a start, we define a URL scheme, such as domain.tld/channel?lat=latitudelon=longitudetype=UTM|NAD87|insert coordinate system here the schema for the return document should include a 4 dimensional map for when/where the data is good (I.E. we give forecasts for the next 30 mins or so, inside of your zipcode) as well as a way to specify rich content(weather, photos, loose women living nearby whatever people so choose). The user should be able to override the server's data (you decide you only want weather updates every hour for instance) there should also be a way to send up login information for services which need user data, and if you're worried, you would have the option of using ghost locations... I.E. transmitting fake locations so that you can't be tracked, with the results discarded... for those worried about that kind of thing. Maybe using TOR for the anonymous sites would work too. I'm also thinking that this could be used to store your location... and show other nearby users(I probably wouldn't use it, but the potential is there) From there, we build a reader application (this is why I'm likening it to RSS feeds). This wouldn't be limited to just the openmoko, but other GPS enabled devices anyways, I'm sure I'll get about 3 emails about ways this is already being done, but what do people think? -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
application idea
Last night, while I was looking at the monsoon blowing just outside the heat-island... in my open-top jeep... I had an application idea: GPS based weather feeds. on a schedule/when you move into a new area, the phone will go out to a server and retrieve the weather information for the area you're in. being able to glance at the today screen and see up-to-date weather data would be nice -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: application idea
On 9/13/07, Jimmy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eh... why would you need to know the current weather if your already there, looking at it? snip / a couple of reasons: 1. some of us work in buildings without windows... and have vehicles which may need to be covered if it starts to storm 2. um... forecasts? 3. you should see the people walk out of sky harbor(phoenix, az airport) in august... the heat hits them like a ton of bricks(makes picking people up from the airport more entertaining) -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WiFi vs. speaker
On 8/25/07, Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Memory card under the SIM card (why? there's seemingly loads of space). If there would be USB2 there will be no need to remove SD card much often. But still SD will be removed more often that SIM card, so maybe it should be somewhere else. Some phones had a SIM card slot directly in case like laptops have SD slots (if they have). Maybe Neo can have SD slot at the side of case. http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community A while back Sean commented on this http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2006-November/000385.html seemingly loads of space you mean in the case, or on the PCB? because the PCB looks relatively cramped to me -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FM Radio
On 8/23/07, Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip DAB radios are more useful given the number of extra channels. snip --- G O Jones as long as you realize that now we're talking about multiple versions for different regions... DAB isn't going to help me here in the US, and HD radio even less so. since GTA02 has power to the USB port, I think it would be more advantageous to look into a usb based solution, or wait until the project is at the point where we can afford to have that many variants running around -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buying Openmoko GTA02 from Europe
On 8/23/07, Andy Loughran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip 3) Vodafone can install their own 'branded' openmoko on the phone for mass distribution, but this doesn't stop the 'hardcore' geeks or 'educated n00bs' from changing the software over the the original openmoko. /snip um, all they'd need to do is customize u-boot to not display the update option, or require a password to update... You'd still be able to get around that with a debug board, the 'educated n00bs' are probably not going to have one of those sitting around -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FM Radio
from what I've seen/heard, most of the GPIO lines are already taken up by alt-functions, but we could have the (spi/nssp)/i2c busses brought out to that location On 8/23/07, Shawn Rutledge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAB is only in Europe right? How about if the phone had an expansion connector, next to some cavity that isn't already filled with something (I hear there are some of those, internally), and you could add modules as you please. The connector would need to have a few GPIO connections to the main processor and/or some serial bus that happens to be available, plus an audio connection to the mixer. Third parties could make boards for FM, DAB and the like. Other options would be more radios like Zigbee or NFC, or other kinds of sensors (a better accelerometer, compass, temperature/humidity, whatever). On 8/23/07, Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Giles Jones wrote: Ian Stirling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : It's valuable if it's very cheap or free. But it's another chip on the already large board. Agree DAB radios are more useful given the number of extra channels. Agree. Definitely more geekish. :) There's no end of features you could implement, mobile TV would be another feature now that the EU have standardised on a format. A DAB receiver could also supply you with DMB data. Which would be for example video compressed for mobile use... DMB is DAB with oder codecs used in the data streams. But i would not say radio or mobile video would be in any a important feature. I just liked to add this information without valueing the idea of a radio in such device. :) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How about a slim Openmoko design?
On 8/18/07, Dev Anand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Moto Razr was slim and even slimmer on features but caught on because of the design. If one could have the openness of openmoko and make it a slim elegant design it will be a killer. What say? I like the idea of going slim for future devices, the problem is, it makes it really hard for the hardware hackers to go in and change anything, and still have it fit in the package. Future devices that are targeted at the mass market would probably be ok though -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Balancing simplicity with complexity
got around to licensing our artwork for this new interface under Creative Commons (CC BY-SA 3.0). The introduction of OM-2007.2 goes hand in hand with merging the OpenMoko OpenEmbedded overlay into the upstream repository org.openembedded.dev. We are now based directly on the upstream metadata found in OpenEmbedded and synchronized with the most recent developments. Here are a few examples many of you have requested: * dbus 1.0.2 * glib 2.12.12 * Cairo 1.4.10 * Gtk+ 2.10.14 * GStreamer 0.10 * ... Finally, we are very close to publishing our extensive software roadmap covering plans for adding more exciting software components and detailing areas where you can get involved and help us reach our goal of freeing phones around the world. Stay tuned for more information! Sincerely, The OpenMoko Team. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FM Radio
On 8/22/07, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was thinking of breaking the thing open and trying to steal the receiver to put in my Neo. Think that's workable? http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community uh... probably not... I haven't seen the device, but there probably isn't a nice discrete module to pull out... production devices like that tend to be highly integrated to save space, and, from the pictures I've seen in a quick google search, I'd guess most of the chips are BGA packaged... it's a pain in the *arse* to work with unless you've got hot air -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Changes between GTA1 and GTA2?
On 8/16/07, Ashok Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Can anyone tell me what are the changes between GTA1 and GTA2? GTA02 adds: - graphics processor - wifi - accelerometers Probably some other stuff, but that's the big three Which version is going to be shipped as user release in september? GTA02 Thanks, Ashok Kumar ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: User Interface idea
On 8/12/07, Derek Pressnall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I'm thinking that apps such as the Dialer would be running in the background, and have an active connection to the Phone desktop along with the PDA desktop. snip um, do realize that we are working on a resource constrained system, and probably will be for the forseeable future... I don't see this as TOO much of a problem, as long as those apps unload most of themselves from memory when they're not running, and they spend almost all of their time sleeping... but watch out for that. We'll have to see what people can come up with for this before I run this on my system -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Login Manager
On 8/10/07, t3st3r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I see no effective way to combine these 2 different goals.One is prevents access to data but this will enforce bad guys to do full reflashing.Killing your (unusable) data but getting working (usable) phone.Another approach makes guys to believe phone is not defends itself and not secured.While it really silently tracks evildoers. /snip simple... display contact info(email, friend's phone number, etc) to return the phone at the login screen... I think my old(~2000 ish) WM PDA had an option to do that... people can't get into the phone itself, but they can figure out how to get ahold of you -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Chinese input for OpenMoko
On 8/8/07, Shu Hung (Koala) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, OpenMoko is developed and produced in Taiwan. And I live in HK. Both places uses Chinese as the common language. I'm just curious if there is any plan for Neo1973 to support Chinese input? If so, in what way? Hand-writing input? Or keyboard input method? Koala Yeung ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community If you look real closely at the input panel, it shows a chinese mode input... it doesn't work yet, but I'd guess it's planned -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: VMWare-Image (again)
let us know if you put this up on bittorrent... I'll help seed On 8/7/07, Sébastien Lorquet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm planning to create a minimal build host with a fedora. I can copy your file to my server, if I can download it somewhere. We can share it via bittorrent, too. 2007/8/7, Eric Heinemann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If someone will host the 2gb+ file, I can provide an Ubuntu VMWare image that I made several months ago. A few people have downloaded it, and I am not sure how well it works for actual development. I was able to compile everything using MokoMakefile and run the qemu image it produced. -Eric - Original Message From: Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2007 9:56:38 AM Subject: Re: VMWare-Image (again) There is QEmu images at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ OpenMoko_under_QEMU . QEMU is a generic and open source machine emulator and virtualizer: http://www.qemu.org/ True, but answers the wrong question. The question is whether there is a virtual machine image of an entire configured build system, similar to the one for the Neuros OSD. AFAIK the answer is no. I was going to make one using qemu and ubuntu, but other things got in the way and I won't have the time again before September. This isn't much help I know, but I'm doing just this - setting up a Parallels image for GP2X developers - for the GP2X handheld gaming console .. maybe I should consider merging openmoko into the same image while I'm at it .. probably a good idea .. j. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Sébastien LORQUET - 이세영 (李世榮) Ingénieur ENSPG 2006 / ENSIMAG-ASI 2007 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Data backup service
On 8/1/07, Andy Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out funambol, http://www.funambol.com/opensource/ . There's a single file installer and you can be up and running pretty quickly. Bear in mind that the push email clients for non nokia devices appear to be available only if you buy the commercial version Andy ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community http://www.funambol.com/partners/ Obviously you're head's in the right place... the project is already working with funambol -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Phone arrive! - Torx required?
Yay, my basic Neo1973 arrived today. It looks quite cool smaller than I expected and lightweight. But I think I'm about to fail my geek status - can't figure out how to insert the microSD card that came with it, without full disassembly of the unit. I, uh, don't own a Torx toolset and didn't order the advanced model with tools. I later decided I should have, but when I found out that changes move you to the back of the order line, I stayed with the basic unit. So, microSD installation w/o a Torx tool? And I guess a guitar pick as well, to get at the back of the PCB? -Jeff ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: whee!
On 7/26/07, Mark Eichin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it does boot to Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found. But it has a penguin on-screen :-) and thus you are one step above any phone I've ever seen -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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