Re: Is Neo Freerunner a phone?
I can recomend you android. I was looking for reliable phone, I tried everything, and my last try - android is total winner. Give it a try. ohin On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Noel noe2...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Michele Brocco ssj2mi...@gmail.com wrote: Which one did you try until now? om2008, om2009, shr, qtopia/radek. If l look at the forum posts lately and your requirements you may try neophysis which seems to have very basic phone functions implemented. Being lazy, I wanted a confirmation :) from someone who tried. You could also have a try with android, however imho the advantages of our device are not exploited with android. Freerunner is not just a phone or pda :) I'm afraid is not even a phone yet, as its soul (software) is haunted :) On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Noel noe2...@gmail.com wrote: Does anybody knows a kernel and a basic phone application that work with Neo Freerunner? When I say 'work', I mean the phone: - doesn't have to be restarted daily/weekly[/montly] - it is 100% reliable on making and receiving voice calls - it is 100% reliable on sending and receiving sms (even some are not displayed well, like unicode characters, 'multipart' messages, etc.) - doesn't have to suspend if it can be used 'modestly' at least 20 hours without charging The kernel doesn't have to be Linux. The phone application doesn't have to be open source as long as it can be downloaded without paying. No need of a virtual keyboard, except for writing a phone number that will be called. If the address book can be edited with a text editor or from command line it will be fine. Currently, I use Radek's build, but the phone (or qtopia) has to be restarted from time to time: it is slow on handling the voice calls, and if the modem has to do more then one operation, like closing a voice call while somebody else is calling or I receive a sms, it may go in a state in which I cannot make a voice call. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner gone...
I feel duty to tell you my story of lost FreeRunner: It was in our small town (6000 inhabitants), and my FR has fallen down to grass. I noticed this next day, and I was pretty aware of the only place, where it could happen. But phone was away. I asked people living near, but nobody found nothing. So I wrote info on my blog (which started just because this situation), with all info if somebody would try to google about the FR. I also used local web infoservice to let people know. The same day I've got call, they probably found it, but they didn't know what to do with it, so they started looking for some info and they got to me thanks to our group order page. The story was that, one guy was on the walk with dog, which brought to him bag with black thing. He didn't know what is it, so he gave it to his friend. Friend realized, that there is probably linux system (according to scrolling text when booting :-)), but that was all - and started googling. He told me, if that is normal phone, he would probably not try so much to find info about it... I was really happy, so don't abandon all hope, and try to help your FR to find his way home ;-) Good luck! ohin On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 1:48 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org wrote: Em 11-12-2009 22:59, Pieter Colpaert escreveu: Hi, My moko got lost. Whether it got stolen or whether it just fell out of my pocket, I have no idea. Today I felt pretty sad and I had some time to think about things every distribution should have just to make sure someone will not slam his head against the wall, repetitively, again and again, like I did, for not installing some basic stuff that might prevent these things from happening. 1. Sms sentry. Put that application, or a similar one, in every light image we got: It will reply the GPS coordinates when texting sentry:location to moko. 2. When another sms is send we should be able to put the volume to max and play a voice saying: PLEASE RETURN THIS PORTABLE, IT IS LOST AND THE OWNER TRIES TO FIND IT. I'd be happy to record that voice. And display contact information on the screen delivered by sms. What do you guys think? Saving €230 with 5 lines of code seems a big deal to me (€230 + sim card + personal configurations + a lot more personal stuff actually). It's very sad to know of this. I hope you can continue to be part of this community by getting another open phone (fancy a new Freerunner?) Best, Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re:
probably you meant this address: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html ohin On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Bernd Prünsterbernd.pruens...@gmail.com wrote: flecktor schrieb: hi list :) when will this mailing list move to a forum with rss feeds? i cant seem to keep track of anything here nor even understand what people are talking about. is there a way to thread the mails together or move to a forum? thanks n2.nabble.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openttd is now in opkg.org!
We can have two packages - with and without sounds. The music is going to be in MIDI format? Is FR capable to play MIDI? (I would be happy to have sounds and music with Openttd) Martin On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Aapo Rantalainen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Openttd is now in opkg.org! It is game. It contains gpl-graphics (version alpha2). They are not all ready, there might be some black boxis. Enable scrolling-with-stylus: Advanced settings -Interface - Left-click scrolling: On (this string is not localized) Using scrolling: Point 'empty'-tile on screen and drag. (empty = anything that do not do anything when clicked: ground, trees, roads, water...) There are no sounds in this package. (only dummy sample.cat). There are no music in this package. There are project to make gpl-sounds and gpl-music, I will check how ready they are and do them work with freerunner. And do we want that package is ~80 megas greater because of background music? -Aapo Rantalainen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Volume
On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 11:27 PM, Matthias Camenzind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found out a way to get better volume settings. cp /usr/share/openmoko/gsmhandset.state /home/root/ modify entry 'Mic2 Capture Volume' value to 3 and 'Speaker Playback Volume' value to 95 (in state file in /home/root/ create a script like this: #!/bin/bash cp /home/root/*.state /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ this should work, same way you can edit other state files. to autorun the script i added it in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh _ Werden Sie Mitglied der neuen Windows Live Messenger Familie! http://get.live.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Better settings in which way?? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: discouraged: projects.openmoko.org unmaintained?
I am using projects without any problems. Yes I use svn, I use news, I use releases, forum... Everything works. When posting public key, you have to wait a little bit, as it is maintained by cron script. If it still doesn't work, check if you entered correct key. At first I have some trouble with it, but now it's ok. Give it one more try ;-) Martin On 10/5/08, Javi Roman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I have just created a project in projects.openmoko.org. I solved the Permission denied (publickey) message, with the public key solution, nevertheless I am unable to log into my ssh account, and unable to checkout my project. I have looked for solutions in google and I have run into this thread: http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/openmoko-devel/2008/8/22/3034484 this is a common problem with projects.om.org - ssh+svn hangs and the solutions bandied about have been use google code or sourceforge etc. Please, is it really true that projects.openmoko.org is unusable? -- Javi Roman ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Development environment suggestion ?
Do you know about this page? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Development_with_Eclipse On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Per Jonsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a Java Eclipse guy so I would love a plugin for Eclipse. Eclipse is made for pugins which makes it a great ide to extend. I think a good start could be to get the openmoko toolchain running in Eclipse with C/C++. Unfortunaly I havn't much time to poke around right now :-( /Perty Andreas Wallin skrev: Hello community lists ! I just read the mail call for community action I would make som suggestions for making developing openmoko software more easy. Why not create some virtual machines with all compilingtools and needed software installed to get ready for bugfixing/developing openmoko softwares. This may be virtualbox images.. Nothing fancy, just ubuntu with toolchain, maybe even a ready eclipse version. Publish this by torrents, Maybe even with good to go software used during development. I spent lots of time before i got a working environment to develop/debug my openmoko in. greetings ! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.9 GPS
Please take this thread back to this problem... I am experiencing the same thing: cannot get a fix never. Using ASU. Tried everything to get it back working (except any hw fixes, as I now it worked). There was nothing wrong with my GPS before updating from 2007, worked quite well. I thought reason was as I accidentaly dropped my FR on the floor. But I see I am not alone with this problem. But now: where to look for problem? In agps-ui log I can see some data comming from GPS modul, but they are still the same, and no fix even after 2 hours... On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 11:02 PM, Stephen Pape [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Michael Frandsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-09-22 at 13:33 -0400, Matthew Lane wrote: I can't get my GPS to get a fix, even outside. I'm using the latest 2008.9 distro from the wiki (as of 9/18/08). My Locations app shows a map, attempts to get a fix, and always tells me I can't get a fix in sunny weather! Is anyone else having this issue, or does anyone know of a solution? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I have some experience with 2008.8/9. Since I upgrades to 2008.9 I had more difficulties but since I found out that settings doesnt show current status of gps-power example if wake up from standby (its always off no matter what shown). I get a fix after approx. 2min when enter outside best not to close to house wall. I also have external antenna which is more reliable and can see and track more sattelites. Once I thought that gpsd was not runnning when I had problems but since I keep focus on it it always run (I expect the problem was power that was off). The most frequent problem I have now is that tangogps crash with segment fault after run for a while. Didn't have time to investigate that. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I'm glad it's not just me. I'm beginning to think my phone is defective, I cannot get a fix. In the agps-ui, I'm not even seeing a signal from any of the satellites. Running 2008.9 with the latest kernel. I've even tried using the agps program with assist online. That makes agps-ui show a list of satellites, and have the current GPS time, but no signal. I was thinking of trying the antenna repair SOP. Ironicly, one of the biggest reasons I wanted the Freerunner, besides openness, was to create a GRPS/GPS app. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[ASU 2008.9] Is it required to reflash, or opkg update upgrade is enough?
The question is in subject. Does anybody know? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Phone java apps on fr?
But see the history of this page: the only changes this year were OpenMoko-Openmoko changes and some category corrections... On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 1:01 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how can i run java applications from other mobile phones on fr? Is it what is called JavaME? Is this available for fr? I have looked at jalimo and around but no clarity for me... thank you for pointing into the right direction, I think a lot of work must still be done. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Java#Status_on_Openmoko ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: wesnoth
Info about running Wesnoth on FreeRunner can be found here: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5t=22124start=0st=0sk=tsd=a 2008/9/16 Chris Hogan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Did you have to add any repositories? I'm using the FDOM image from 13th September and don't see it in opkg list. Chris. On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 2:22 AM, Hans-Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Sonntag, 14. September 2008 17:08:00 schrieb Martin Šenkeřík: and from which repositories? i use latest fdom here. didn't installed it with opkg, but can see it here with opkg list. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Who has multiple devices?
by 'dfu-util -l' you see dfu capable devices and it's addresses then you can specify which device you want to flash by attribute '-d hw-address' see 'dfu-util -h' On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Iker Berasaluce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't think of a situation where I would accidentally have two freerunners sitting in uboot. If -l shows more than one suitable device you could just suggest they remove all but the one that needs programming and try again. Is that always possible? I mean, I have a built in webcam in my laptop that is always detected by DFU, thus making it unable for flashing the FR as far as I tried, that hasn't been too much. I'm looking for a way to tell the DFU wich device I want to flash removing none of them. And that would be useful for the script. -- Iker Berasaluce Departamento de Informatica Fulcrum SA ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: wesnoth
The URL doesn't work :-( On 9/14/08, Hans-Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: got this url from the irc: http://rafb.net/p/ihQ94Z51.html beware: ~72MB!: make sure to create a little start-script: #!/bin/sh xrandr -o 1 wesnoth -r 640x480 after installing all, you can correct the .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/wenoth.desktop Icon=/usr/share/wesnoth/icons/wesnot-icon.png Exec=*path-to-your-wesnoth-start-script have fun hama ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: wesnoth
and from which repositories? On 9/14/08, Hans-Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the link is not available anymore and wesnoth can be installed with opkg now... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko apps website ?
I think it would be enough to get required informations from projects.openmoko.org and make it available for example the http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/; way. projects.openmoko.org for developers, gadgetery.openmoko.org for users build on same database... ?? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
I suggest more discreet gestures, like was the shaking one. I understand it is harder to recognize them and not to recognize them by accident in normal use. But what about starting recognizing only with pressed AUX button? You can replace actual function of locking screen by much more where one of them will be locking screen. That were some my thoughts about usability, indeed your work is realy great! Keep on going ;-) On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Ross Woodruff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dont have my freerunner yet but that really is a great bit of work, keep it up, can see this being really useful, only criticism some of the gestures seems to be a little, well, over the top, I mean, if I was on the bus and I started doing the Z shape for example people would think what I was upto, do the gestures have to the this exagerated or was that just for the demo so people could clearly see what you were doing? Paul-Valentin Borza wrote: Hi, As Google Summer of Code 2008 is almost at its end, here's a video showing what you should expect out of the accelerometer-based gestures project: http://digg.com/gadgets/Openmoko_Neo_Freerunner_Motion_Gestures_Screen_Orientation_2 There still are some things that need to be worked on for the GUI, but I will release another package on Thursday/Friday with everything you've just seen in the YouTube video. Again, big thanks to Daniel for helping me out with the problems I have encountered on the way. Thanks Daniel! This doesn't mean that I'll stop working on the project; on the contrary, I will continue to improve it, and I'll use the Neo for my primary development target. More on http://gestures.borza.ro Thanks, Paul -- http://www.borza.ro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
Maybe can help reflashing your u-boot with some actual version... On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Olivier Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Olivier Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yorick Moko [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: a tar.gz file would be very useful for booting from SD card... I guess you may convert the contents of the JFFS2 to a tarball by following bits explained here : http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ModifyingRootImage/ In particular somthing like this on a desktop GNU/Linux (if you run 2.6 kernel) : mknod /tmp/mtdblock0 b 31 0 modprobe loop losetup /dev/loop0 Om2008.8.rootfs.jffs2 modprobe mtdblock modprobe block2mtd echo /dev/loop0 /sys/module/block2mtd/parameters/block2mtd modprobe jffs2 mount -t jffs2 /tmp/mtdblock0 /media/jffs2 USE IT AT YOUR OWN RISKS ;) I've just tried and install it like that on the SD's ext3 partition, and copied the kernel to the first partition (VFAT). But after booting, I'm stuck with a : Kernel panic - not syncing: No int found. Try passing init= option to kernel. Too bad :( I'll have to flash ? Best regards, -- Olivier BERGER (OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F) http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner @ pulster.eu Shop
You have to order them separately when buying from pulster. They are gift only when you order 10-pack from openmoko shop. What price? Have you tried www.pulster.de? ;-) ohin On 6/27/08, e009052 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wanted to order mine too, but it looks as if the 299 eur does not include the bag and headset as for other shops (trisoft, handheld linux). And I thought that were gifts from openmoko. Do I really have to order them separately? And which price? Ed. 2008/6/27 Bumbl [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Christoph Pulster schrieb: what about the german distributors subscribed to this list any news on freerunners received? We start sales 07/05/2008 (5.July) and accept orders now. Price 299 eur incl. VAT. A cheap price means more owners. That's what the community needs. Christoph ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Ordered mine too with bag and headphones ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SMT is running!
It's v5, you find info in mailing list, easily searching for v5 ;-) ohin On 6/18/08, einstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi steve, what relese from the Freerunner ist now in massproduction? I asked becaus in the wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#GTA02v6 is some important info about the different vom the GTA02v5 to the GTA02v6 / Add GSM IR resistor for better GSM deep sleep /What version i buy now, when the shop opens? gta02v5 or gta02v6? Thanks for your answer Greets Einstein steve wrote: So I got word from the factory that we have our date. And we got the line. And parts are being planted on boards this week. I know it's been a long wait for everybody, but the stone is almost to the top of the hill. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: handwriting recognition?
Once I have OpenMoko, I surely try this: http://risujin.org/cellwriter/ ohin On 6/17/08, ramsesoriginal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some time ago (or better: a long long time ago) someone in the list posted a thread about handwriting rekognition on the Neo. In the title there was also the word graffiti, and somone in the list said that he's a graffiti official, and that it would be better to not use it as a name to avoid eventual legal dispute.. As far as i know, there's already a handwriting rekognition on the openmoko.. On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 8:23 AM, Msquared [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 10:29:17AM +0200, arne anka wrote: i liked palm's old graffiti very much (the new graffiti 2 is crap) and would like to be able to use a similar approach on my freerunner, too. I agree. Single-stroke-per-character has advantages, I feel, in reliability and in lookups and other applications where each stroke counts. I had problems in the phone lookup interface sometimes with Graffiti 2 - I really think they took a step backwards. Does anyone know who owns the IP on Graffiti? I tried to hunt it down because I personally would like to see Graffiti on my Freerunner when I get it, since there is no hardware keyboard. (I will miss my Treo 650's hw kb, but not the unfixable OS bugs!) Regards, Msquared... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Fran Lebowitz - You're only has good as your last haircut. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: InvisibleShield screen protectors
I'll probably want full case protection, as I want FreeRunner to stay with me for more than one-two years as normal phones did :-) And it is not enough to offer them CAD files of device? ohin Dne Sun, 08 Jun 2008 15:35:07 +0200 Yorick Matthys [EMAIL PROTECTED] napsal/-a: I asked the company if they were willing to manufacture screen protectors for the Freerunner, this is an answer I got: Hello Yorick, Were you wanting us to provide you invisibleSHIELDs directly so that you could place them on your device before you sell them? Or would you like an invisibleSHIELD created for in case your customers would like the unparalleled protection? In either case, we would be happy to design an invisibleSHIELD for you. If you want the invisibleSHIELD to cover the Full Body of your Smartphone, we would need you to send us one of your devices so that we can take precise measurements and design the invisibleSHIELD to fit your smartphone the best. Please let me know if you have any questions. Warm regards, DAN THUESON Account Manager, Reseller Division ZAGG Inc. Does anybody know if the FreeRunner's case is adequatly scratch-resistant? (I'll post this question on the device-owner list) 3855 S 500 W STE J, SLC, UT 84115 801.263.0699 x103 (o) 801.263.1848(f) HOME OF THE Nasdaq BB Symbol: ZAGG ZAGG.com _ naturally it's option 2. But do we want full case protection? Personally I will probably settle with just screenprotection. But if there are people who want full protection, maybe we can persuade Steve (or someone else at Openmoko) to send a sample to their company? Does anybody know if the FreeRunner's case is adequatly scratch-resistant? (I'll post this question on the device-owner list) y _ Download Messenger op je mobiel! http://www.windowslivemobile.msn.com/nl/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shipping details
no paypal, search the maillist archives, there is more information about reason On 6/7/08, Flyin_bbb8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So no paypal ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
