Re: Survey about the Touchscreen
On Fri, 2008-11-21 at 17:41 +0100, Tilman Baumann wrote: I just want to point out that I will not vote because the vote is bullshit. The type of the screen is not the only thing. Size and resolution matters too. And even more important. Price and availability. What you want is totally unimportant. The question is which compromises are you ready to make? This is nothing that can be figured out by some stupid two options poll. What goes is eventually a question that can only be answered by looking at sold units in retrospect. What you all want is unimportant, because you can not honestly say that it will bias your buying decision in a way you would admit now. I would like openmoko to do bold steps. But they should also be careful. Tilman Baumann wrote: Vikas Saurabh wrote: I think we need to decide upon this without the bias of UIone might get excited with iPhone's UI. What we would have to remember: * capacitive screen would always require a touch of finger (hence all the UI elements need to take enough space on screen) so the whole fun of high reso is gone * otoh, pressure based screen need a little more pressure to react but is often manageable with fingers as well Agree. Either a really big capacitive screen with no boarders or a small hi res screen as currently (I like it) with either a stylus or a keypad. I would vote for the same screen as currently used or at least the same quality but bigger and a keypad. Finger use for the current screen is pretty much a failure. (not impossible but as far as text input goes pretty much failed) I admit I voted for capacitive screen without consider all the aspect. My primary reason was more protected screen and force finger friendly (which more or less not exist now, more a software issue). I have a pda I use mostly for car navigation the bigger screen is nice there. I also use it for connect to internet, use it as voip phone, when possible, using wifi. It does not have build in gps what was main reason why I bought my neo (and better portability). I like the size on neo maybe a little slimmer and I dont want it to be bigger because then it would be more trouble some to bring with me all over. My pda is to big I can just squeeze it into my jacket inside pocket but I have often accidentally activated it often with drain battery. My pda have the normal 5 navigation buttons + 4 application buttons below screen. I never use the navigation buttons only the 4 application button mostly because I can program them to whatever to activate things even other programs use the full screen and no hide function. I like the size and resolution of current neo and the fact that it can be used for stylus in case programs not finger friendly even it be rare. Maybe the edge could be smaller so a finger easily can press all the way to the edge. I can see the benefit for a few buttons to assist a GUI that need a bigger screen area. If I just needed a small linux computer to run desktop like applications then I wanted a full keyboard but then whole benefit of small size and very easy portability is gone then. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The Lost Openmoko Community
On Sat, 2008-10-04 at 15:56 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: Hi! After my previous blog post [1] about Openmoko 2007.2 distribution and the Openmoko community I got some comments proving that like me, some other people feel that the community is lost and uninformed. This post is a follow up to the previous post and the comments I got. I've understood that 2007.2 still ships with the phones. As soon as one gets his new c00l Freerunner linux phone they need to flash the phone with a new distro (2008.x or Debian, FDOM, SHR, Gentoo, Qtopia, FSO.. [6]) since the software it ships with is obsolete. OK, so you get your 2008.x there and find that it doesn't really do all the magic and would like to report a bug. BUGS I don't know how others feel but I really don't feel like reporting bugs in the bug tracker [3]. OK, I'm running an unsupported distro (2007.2) so there's one reason but I also feel that it's okay to post kernel bugs only there, not anything that a normal user would see in his GUI. Is this correct or just a feeling or misunderstanding? Remember that all Freerunner owners and people here in the community are not kernel developers. I don't even know how to save back traces or hack the source code but I'm happy to report if something doesn't work and then when someone more skillful finds what's wrong and eventually fixes it, I'm again happy to try if the fix works for me. For some reason I feel that there's no space in the community for users like me. DISTROS So it's 2008.x now. No, wait.. there are FDOM [5] and SHR [2] around that are not far from 2008.x. Is 2007.2 still developed and lead by Openmoko or by the community? Do the community developers have access to the files so that new releases can be made or is SHR the closest to 2007.2 you can get to? My feeling is that there was a lack of information about why 2007.2 was forgotten and new 2008.x series was started and that something weird is happening in the official distros that creates a need for FDOM and SHR - why don't the developers feel ok to contribute directly to 2007.x and 2008.x but 'fork' their own distros? INFORMATION I think that what makes me feel lost is the lack of information about what's happening in the community. I don't know what's the development status of the software or what's the general direction the community and/or Openmoko is heading to? Having a better view on the general situation makes one feel much more comfortable and secure: now I feel that I just wait to see what the next release's like not being able to know what to wait for. NEXT STEPS People working at Openmoko and other software developers: * Please check 'Community Management as Open Source's Core Competency' by David Eaves [4] and have a good look at the the Openmoko community. It needs management! * Please write a blog post once a week or so to planet.openmoko.org and the community mailing list telling the community what's going on. Five to ten lines is enough to help the community feel better! * Please respect your community! Other community members: * How do you feel about the current situation? How happy are you with the community? * Do you feel well informed? Do you know what's the direction we're heading to? * How would you like to contribute? Thanks! ps. I posted this also in my blog: http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/the-lost-openmoko-community/ r [1] http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/openmoko-20072-distros-and-community/ [2] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release [3] https://docs.openmoko.org/trac [4] http://eaves.ca/2006/12/17/community-management-as-open-sources-core-competency/ [5] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FDOM_-_a_Fat_and_Dirty_OM_based_distribution [6] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions I feel more or less the same way. I am a software developer but have no experience in linux development, not that I don't want too. My goal buying the neo was mainly to have a portable device with gps and different means of communication. Since in my work I have become more and more specialise in one area I wanted to expand my knowledge in a new area. The first I did was flash 2008.08 and get usb and wifi up running but I fast realise that the system software was to unstable to make it really useable. It crash to often and drain battery to fast. A week ago there were a call to get community to contribute in bug tracking and yesterday I struggled to figure out how to build everything so that I maybe could assist in bug tracking. until now I find it very confusing all the guides follow a general approach where I don't really know what is going on. I managed to build an image (took a few hours) but I have no idea what image and where to find the source code. Maybe it's me lacking experience from other linux projects I don't know but normally I easy can get source install required libraries ./configure and make change
RE: Tango GPS shows GPS Times form 1999
On Sat, 2008-10-04 at 17:39 +, Matthias Camenzind wrote: On Om2008.8 i used gspd and it didn't work. It looks more like working (the seconds changes form 0 to 9) sometimes is satellites changing to 1/0. Am I not recieving gsp signlas? How does it look like when there are to less singals? . Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:30:08 +0200 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Tango GPS shows GPS Times form 1999 This seems to be a fso-gpsd bug. I also experienced this problem why i went back to use gpsd which always show the right time and satellites. Ciao, Rainer Matthias Camenzind wrote: I've installed Debian on microSD 2GB with Xfce, tangogps and fso-gpsd. The Trip section is normaly showing a GPS Time from 1999-11-30 00:00:00 somtimes GPS Time changes short to 2006 or 2007. Tangogps on Om2008.8 shows 1970. On both 0/0 Satellites HDOP 0.0. Is there something wrong with my GPS device? _ Die neue Generation der Windows Live Services - jetzt downloaden! http://get.live.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community _ Werden Sie Mitglied der neuen Windows Live Messenger Familie! http://get.live.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community When there is a strong signal and the position locked then there should be at least 5 valid satellites 5/6 or higher. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.9 GPS
On Mon, 2008-09-22 at 13:33 -0400, Matthew Lane wrote: I can't get my GPS to get a fix, even outside. I'm using the latest 2008.9 distro from the wiki (as of 9/18/08). My Locations app shows a map, attempts to get a fix, and always tells me I can't get a fix in sunny weather! Is anyone else having this issue, or does anyone know of a solution? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I have some experience with 2008.8/9. Since I upgrades to 2008.9 I had more difficulties but since I found out that settings doesnt show current status of gps-power example if wake up from standby (its always off no matter what shown). I get a fix after approx. 2min when enter outside best not to close to house wall. I also have external antenna which is more reliable and can see and track more sattelites. Once I thought that gpsd was not runnning when I had problems but since I keep focus on it it always run (I expect the problem was power that was off). The most frequent problem I have now is that tangogps crash with segment fault after run for a while. Didn't have time to investigate that. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
