Re: Apple's heavy hand an opportunity for Linux smartphones likeOpenMoko
I second that! - Original Message From: Pius A. Uzamere II [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 8:47:03 PM Subject: Re: Apple's heavy hand an opportunity for Linux smartphones likeOpenMoko IMHO, that's just the sort of sentiment that, if embraced by FIC, will guarantee that this phone is not successful. If a phone ships with a closed or otherwise flawed stack, a fix is just a firmware update away. Once you put a crappy form factor into the market, however, you're typically finished in the long term. Remember, your competitors can iterate their software faster than you can iterate your form factor once units are put into production. I want this project to be successful . . . let's not get so idealistic that we lose focus of the realities of the market. In any case, the neo isn't about schnazz, it's about freedom. Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Myth Busting FTW
/rant start I couldn't complete his article.. he really wants me to make him eat his shorts... :) he states half truths at some points and omits features just to show up the iPhone. /rant end ok. got that out of my system. - Original Message From: Nkoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 9:12:24 PM Subject: Myth Busting FTW Somebody really has their knickers in a bunch. http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q3.07/B10AE668-EAD3-46DC-A042-5EF3461D63EF.html All that FUD is making me woozy @_@ Get news delivered with the All new Yahoo! Mail. Enjoy RSS feeds right on your Mail page. Start today at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).
I believe a simple two character per key would be more than enough as a start (where the current phones are 3 chars per key). A full qwerty is too dense, so cut the density in half by bundling 2 keys into one. I've attached a 2 minute mokup. Image is 480px accross. just tossing ideas.. layout would be discussed. - Original Message From: Josef Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 3:51:50 PM Subject: Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up). On Sun, Aug 26, 2007 at 06:04:15PM +0200, Lars Hallberg wrote: Josef Wolf skrev: [ I warm-up this old thread again... ] On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 12:02:31AM +0200, Lars Hallberg wrote: a mock-up on a 90-key by one stroke finger keyboard. Think this might be an usable and pretty efficient input method. http://www.micropp.se/openmoko/ This looks very promising. I like this idea. The only issue I see is that the least used characters (numbers) are the easiest to enter. IMHO, the mostly used characters should be accessible without dragging. I think it's a good default as it reuses the users knowledges from t9 systems. It's important to be easy to pick up. It is perfect for the phone functions. But we don't want to stop at trivial functions. But an alternative layout optimised for text input is good, as is a possibility for power users to define there own layout, or even special layout for different programs/tasks. I'm not sore what is the best layout for text input. While I am pretty that numbers-on-main-positions is the second worst possibility (the worst would be to change positions automatically), I am not really sure what the best layout would be. As an example, for an emacs user, about half of the keystrokes are either ESC or CTRL-X. A lisp programmer would like parentheses on the main positions. I don't think we will ever be able to find the perfect layout for everybody. But we might be able to give people the ability to choose. As an exmple, I would like three layouts: 1. For phone functions, your original phone layout. 2. For mails, mostly used letters on main positions (as described in my last mail) but ESC and CTRL-X also on main positions. 3. For programming, some special chartacters should move on main positions. In 2007.2 the scroll wheel is gone, so the key layout should probably be 5x3 giving the number of functions / key like (the status bar is gone so the bottom keys get less functions): 5 7 7 7 5 5 7 7 7 5 3 4 4 4 3 Ough, I don't really understand... You want up to 7 functions per key? Make a total of 80 keys. Alternatively 6x3: 5 7 7 7 7 5 5 7 7 7 7 5 3 4 4 4 4 3 Make a total of 98 keys... Think You need a real device to find out what is best. Too bad they are sold out :-( No chance to buy one :-(( The main good with this input method is its intuitive and probably reasonable fast. But now I'm thinking more on how to use minimal of screen space and work good one handed without visual attention... and still be reasonable in speed. Maybe 8 functions per key (instead of 6) would be a benefit? Only a guess. You can't tell unles you actually tried it. Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca attachment: simple_screen.gif___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: X Server MultiTouch Support
Well I don't know what so cool about multi-touch screen on a phone unless for scaling images and webpages. So maybe just implementing a gesture to do that function, no need for a full blown implementation of a multi-touch support. unless i'm not getting something... - Original Message From: Sander van Grieken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 4:30:32 AM Subject: Re: X Server MultiTouch Support On Saturday 14 July 2007 21:47:28 Brandon Kruse wrote: I agree Joshua. Have seen this vid awhile back, it would be great. We all the onscreen keyboard wont be so great with single touch, its just a fact. Something like this would change everything, and, as mentioned in the article, would make it so that you could use compiz also? A cube on your phone? It would be just plain insane. I would rather see a more integrated approach, like clutter based widgets. (see also the flickr example app those guys made). Applications are usually fullscreen on a PDA/phone, which makes a window manager (and effects on that level) much less prominent. However, it would be useful for alpha blended menus and dialog screens, and an Expose-like taskswitcher would be great of course! ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A little bad press? OpenMoko already facing difficulties?
I agree no one should panic. But the guys at openmoko should take their blogs more seriously and stop putting frustrations. remember alot of eyes are upon them these days. they should put their best foot up front. (i think thats how it goes ;)) and look more professional to be taken seriously. thats my 0.02$ - Original Message From: Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 11:17:36 AM Subject: Re: A little bad press? OpenMoko already facing difficulties? FIC is still a corporation. I'm sure there are many other software developers on this list that can attest that there's more to software development than coding. I suspect it's the other stuff that is bothering Harold. As far as no phones shipping: we knew they wouldn't ship right away. When Sean made the announcement on July 9th, he said the phones were waiting in customs and would then be shipped to California. This has taken more than 5 days now. I think it's a little early to panic. On 7/13/07, Jason Elwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Found on LXer: OpenMoko already facing difficulties? http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/89804/index.html ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Application UI Design Recommendations
I've added a section for UI design recommendations and guidelines. This should help new old developers to agree on a uniformed user experience. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Application_UI_Design_Recommendations lets all work together on filling this section. Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com.___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
