Re: Announcement: new batches of GTA04 ready for (pre)order
Op di 15 nov 2011 10:16:56 schreef Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: @all: I think it would be great if others could follow. We have some requests to provide old GTA01/02 components, but we don't have enough for everyone who want to have a new GTA04 but lack a GTA01/02. So if you find yourself to have a GTA01 or GTA02 collecting dust, please consider offering it to those community members who need one for the GTA04. BR, Nikolaus I have a GTA01 (stereo!) I'd be willing to let go of. Comes with all the extra's. It's in The Netherlands, EUR 80 + shipping. Feel free to contact me off-list ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeBSD / dfu-util
Op Tuesday 22 July 2008 19:45:20 schreef Ben Cadieux: I notice some comments in there with regards to FBSD, so maybe it does work and I'm screwing something up :) Here are the binaries (for both 6.3 and 7.0) I managed to build: http://www.heesakkers.info/showandtell/dfu/ They manage to list the device, but not flash the device, because dfu-util needs to call usb_reset, which isn't implemented on BSD. I posted a question on freebsd-usb about this and the only response so far is: The official USB stack has no IOCTL for this. What you can do is to turn off the port power on the HUB manually, using an USB control request. http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-usb/2008-July/005212.html I don't know how to hack this properly. Simply removing the usb_reset call did not work (naturally). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Funny thing happened on the way to making a call...
Using the latest (as of 7/18) release version, I tried to enter and address book entry for my other phone. Was a bit difficult, but I thought I had succeeded. After getting it entered, I tried to dial using that entry. What happened, instead, was that it used one of the SIM card addresses for 411 and dialed IT instead. The call log, however, showed a completely BLANK phone number. Sure am glad I didn't have a 911 in the SIM card... I'm hoping to get back to looking at the source code soon, but I'm still trying to the the whole thing to compile without errors (Using MokoMakefile.) Makes it mostly through (after about 10 hours) but stops about 4200 of 4500 (approximately.) I scrupulously checked to make sure I've done all of the steps used for setting up from the Wiki. How reliably has the source tree been as for being in a compilable state throughout? I remember back with OE on the Zaurus days, it seemed that about 9 out of 10 days I tried it, something trivial was broken. Stuff checked in that didn't compile or dependencies that didn't get updated. Still, things are progressing nicely. This will be a awesome device when the software reaches maturity. My neice has stolen my second FR so she can show her friends a phone that noone else can get. She's suffering through some of the warts and thorns at the moment, but she is patient (at least reasonably patient for a 15 year old...) I wish I could contribute more (I'm planning to do a couple of python applets that will temporarily allow me to do some Wifi and GPRS setups until the 'real' thing comes down the pike. I'll post a link when they are ready.) -Gary ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Funny thing happened on the way to making a call...
This was from a clean reflash of the kernel and rootfs. I tried a opkg update/upgrade, but nothing was more recent. -Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 02:29:33PM -0700, Gary Oliver spake thusly: Using the latest (as of 7/18) release version, I tried to enter and How are you upgrading versions? Do you flash or use opkg? I am trying to upgrade with opkg and something always goes wrong. Last night I started an opkg upgrade and next thing I know my phone is off and unresponsive. I had to take out the battery to reboot it. I am also still unclear on flashing vs opkg uprade. What's the difference? If opkg works they would seem to do the same thing. One time I tried opkg upgrade I even saw it writing a kernel to flash. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!
Tried the GPS last night with SD card in place - have yet to try it without... Initial fix, with 9 satellites in constellation, 6 about -140dBm, took 11 minutes. After that, tracking was good and it even worked 'mostly' in my house. (I have most of my living area covered with solar panels, so there's this big 'screen' that blocks most GPS signal, but it DID work with 4 satellites remaining in the constellation.) One this I did do, though, was to tweek what I believe is described as the external antenna connector. It appeared to not be completely connected or seated, so I twisted it about 10 degrees and reseated it. I will try it this evening without the SD card. However, I agree with a previous poster, that if this doesn't work reliably WITH the SD, then I've bought something I can't really use. I absolutely do NOT want to start adding external antennas to this thing in order to get basic functionality. -Gary Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: Hi. I can only partly confirm this With SD card removed,... I took 291 s (in my first tests) from inside a building but on the window. If I'm not at the windows but deeper (2m from the window away) inside the building,.. it seems that I still don't get a fix. Anyway,... I had it before (with SD card inserted) that I got a fix in 4 mins,.. ok this happened only once. However,.. I think even 291 s is to much,.. other devices like TomTom are worlds better... And I've read in this thread, that people got a fix 30 s . Was this from a cold start? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Shipping notice received for 1445
I received my shipping notice today (at 1700 PDT) with expected delivery on Monday, July 14. Looks like I'll get my second phone first since the Pacific Northwest group buy hasn't heard its slot yet. It's a good thing it isn't coming this week. I have too much stuff to do and I know I wouldn't get ANY of it done if the FR arrived tomorrow :-) Finally! -Gary ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Common Lisp for OM (Was: Programming OM)
Jesus! I thought I was the only one wanting to program CL on the OM. I've had lots of interesting ideas on how to use a gesture-based interface for writing CL, which could work only thanks to the sparse syntax, and plan to make that some of the first things I program for my OM. Hooray! /Oliver Uvman ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Getting Things Done with Openmoko
I am using the really excellent, open source, TRACKS to handle my GTD business. It's an extremely awesome implementation that does pretty much everything. It is web based, so I will be able to use it with my OpenMoko using just the browser. :D It seems to have good APIs, so creating an app that adds a task (and uploads it whenever inside wifi range) shouldn't be too hard. I really advice you all to check it out - even if you haven't read GTD (I haven't). I got started using it in about five minutes after installation, which was quick and painless thanks to some magic software that just bundles every dependency it has (might be bloat if you already have a web server). Alternatively, there might be publically usably web servers up already. Might we one day see a http://gtd.openmoko.org? /Oliver ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3 nets
Ah ok, thanks for clarifying. /Oliver playing media != IPTV I know of the glamo chip. It will do little to help decode IPTV-style compression realtime AFAIK. As mentioned in this thread before, you have to transcode offline prior to playing it on NEO. Glamo might help to avoid prerotating, but still you have to decode/transcode. jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3 nets
NEO is no phone, but only a something like a 300MHz/128MB computer. You won't find any in this class to do tricks like IPTV :-D (at least w/o a graphics video accelerator card, or other dedicated video hardware) jOERG The GTAv2 will have a 3D-acceleration chip. :) There are already videos on youtube of the old GTAv1 playing media, so it shouldn't be a problem to do it on the v2 /Oliver ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Google Summer of Code
As you all probably know, the summer of code 2008 has been announced, and now is the time for organisations to start readying their applications. Will OpenMoko try to grab a few of us want-to-get-into-OSS students for 3 months of paid summer coding? Please say yes. Pretty please? As a student I already have my eyes on a few organisations that I know will try to become mentoring orgs, but if OpenMoko also got onto the list I would be extremely happy to try to become one of your crazed code monkeys. So what say you? Regards, Oliver U ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bike power (Re: solar power)
I haven't read the rest of this discussion, but a human body in starvation will first of all burn muscle for energy, and after that it will start burning fat. The starvation response in the body starts setting in a few hours after you ate last time, which is why bodybuilders eat about 6 times a day. /Oliver -- Forwarded message -- From: Schmidt András [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:21:22 +0100 Subject: Marcel wrote: But you would really have to keep an eye on the overall ATP level, if it goes too low, there might something terrible happen... What does a body behave like on really low energy (ATP) levels? I am not a human body expert but my guess is: You get hungry and also your reserves are getting utilized (fat and muscle is burnt as well). SA ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA02 powered USB host port and power management (Was: Re: Worries are gone? (was FM Tuner for RDS on the Neo ?))
Awesome! Thanks for the speedy reply. 1) Confirm/Deny wether GTA02 will have a powered USB port GTA02 will have a powered USB port. 2) Go into more detail of how GTA02 power management has improved over GTA01. I'll need to research this to get the full story, first what caused the problem(s) in GTA01, and then how they were fixed in GTA02. Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Worries are gone? (was FM Tuner for RDS on the Neo ?)
Wow! That's really great news as that and battery time were my two main worries. It would be lovely if Michael could: 1) Confirm/Deny wether GTA02 will have a powered USB port 2) Go into more detail of how GTA02 power management has improved over GTA01. /Oliver I haven't heard anything about it for a while, but IIRC freerunner is supposed to have a powered USB port -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Application idea: Bicycle computer
Would it still be possible to use the touchscreen then? Doesn't really matter since you'll have accelerometers. Give it a light knock to the left to see stat screen X, knock it to the right to stat screen Y, knock it right on to light up the screen. Make it do an automated 911 call with recorded voice and GPS co-ordinates if it detects sudden, strong, acceleration in one direction and then a complete stop. Only your imagination limits you. :) /Oliver ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Email App
On Tue, 2007-11-20 at 09:52 -0600, Tim Shannon wrote: I'm curious if anyone knows that status of an Email app. I though originally there was going to be one app that handled all communication, SMS, internet chat, email, etc, but I haven't seen anything like this with the new 2007.2 framework. Is anyone working on this, or what will the status of this app be around December when the gta02 (hopefully) goes up for sale? thanks, I would really like to see an exchange connector so I can sync contacts/email/calendar with Zimbra. It will be hard to go back from those niceties! -Greg ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery time
Hi John! That was a very long, detailed and good answer. Exactly what I needed. The fact that the battery time is over 7 hours rather than 3 (like most laptops) gives me faith that it will be quite enough for me. Big thanks! /Oliver ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Battery time
Hi! So for the longest time, I've been worrying about the battery life of the Neo. Before I buy the GTA02, it is something I'd love to know. The wiki has entries talking about which power management things are implemented and which aren't, and I assume this will increase over time. On the iPhone page, the Battery row of the table says 8h talk on iPhone and replaceable 1.7 Ah battery charged via USB on the Neo - not very extensive info. So, since many of you seem to have Neos now, and since the dialer app is (supposedly) working now, how's the phone for real-world usage? How long between charges for *you*? What do *you* do with it during normal usage? Cheers, Oliver ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hey guys, there's even a video of fancypants showing video on the Neo: http://www.fluffyspider.com/demos/live_videos/flv/fancypants-openmoko-neo1973-video-browser-phone-dialer.html Woo! /Oliver ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sv: New input method demo!
Tjenare Lars! I think a good place to find such information is the Dasher project. ( http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/ ) They use a probabalistic model to make another alternative input device, using the same sort of statistics that you need. The project is open source, so even though the stats may not be available on the site (even though they probably are) you should just need to ask for them. hälsningar, Oliver ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Innovative user interface idea
I agree that we need to focus on usability, but that WM6.1 interface is just retarded. Instead of showing all the alternatives in a grid, where you get a good overview and can quickly select an item, you are forced to remebmer where every item is (if you don't like scrolling through lots and lots of options) AND you force the cellphone to render all sub-options of the menus you pass until you get to your desired menu. You could see in the video that it wasn't entirely latency-free. Bleh! Yes, we definitely need to think of the user interface, but mimicing that one would be plain stupid. 2007.2 looks great to me, and infinitely better than WM6.1. /Oliver ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Subject: Re: the volume of this group
Timbo wrote: Question 2: Is it possible to pre-order the final version? Not yet, but subscribe to the announce list to find out when you can. /Oliver ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some ideas for the accelerometer
I've had similar ideas, but haven't posted them yet. Here's one: Imagine you're surfing the internet, or checking a map, or something like that. We don't have a multi-touch screen, so we can't zoom out with our fingers like iPhone users. Zooming out, though, is something we really should be able to do. So just hold a hardware button and bring the phone closer to your face! The site/image should be shrunk in such a way that you'll think it is stationary behind the phone, and the phone screen is a window through which you can view this image/site! When you've spotted something you want to focus on, somewhere else on the page, don't scroll, just keep holding the button bringing the phone/window down to that place. If you stop holding the button, the image can either stay where it is, or go to it's original zoom-level. Just imagine, if you think of the screen as a window, what incredibly fun games you could develop for the phone! /Oliver ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: OpenMoko talk at Ontario Linux Fest, October 13, Toronto, Canada
The attendees are mostly Linux fans but I'm guessing most of them won't know much about OpenMoko If you're going to cover anything that wasn't covered in the Tossug talk[1], could you try to get your talk filmed and made available to us? [1] http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8574715471341709984 Regards, Oliver ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Reminder: OpenExpo Switzerland
If you can, please film it and put it up on google video or via a torrent! The community craves video talks! /Oliver ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G plans
On Sun, 2007-07-29 at 15:14 -0500, Adam Krikstone wrote: I see no mention of GTA03 (2.5G/EDGE?), GTX01/02 (3G?) on the official wiki anymore. http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counterredirect=no#Other_future_devices Another: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/HXD8 I would rather take Quadband EDGE and UMA hardware over 3G as it is going to become difficult as carriers in the US and around the world deploy 3G on different bands e.g. only AWS 3G for US Tmobile. http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/aws/index.php?p=b What is wrong with quadband edge/grps along with 3g(umts)/hsdpa like my current phone has? It is going to be REALLY hard going back to sub64k speeds after having over a megabit -Greg ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko BoF at OSCON Wed. 8:30pm
Please please film it and upload it to google video or such for online viewing. Most cons have started doing this with talks, but online BoF sessions are more rare. It would also prove a valuable resource for the community! /Oliver ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GUI idea
On Tue, 2007-07-24 at 16:48 -0700, Dylan McCall wrote: You could try slapping something together yourself, using Glade. It's nice and easy to use, and it uses GTK, so it behaves there just like it would on the real thing. Good luck! I look forward to seeing what you have in mind.. Bye, -Dylan McCall PS: Sorry I sent this to you already, Gerald. The usual error, forgot to change the To address... Which brings up a good point, can the mailing list administrator make the ReplyTo default to the mailing list rather than the original poster :) On 7/24/07, Gerald A [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have an idea I'd like to mock up with someone who has some GUI coding know how. I could do a quick demo in flash, but I'm thinking it would probably be as quick to mock up for the actual Neo by someone who knows their way around. I figure less then an hours work, all told. It's something kind of unique, and not difficult code wise, and might help the usability. Might be better hashed out off list, and then have a demo for the list. Any takers? Gerald. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Significant Numbers of Non-Developers?
Just joined the list, hope this message ends up where it's supposed to go. I'm an it-hobbyist who is proficient in a number of languages and has some linux (and bash) exposure. I bet there are lots of people like me who salivate over this phone. What drives my lust for it the most is to dynamically switch between voip and gsm depending on availability, to cut down costs and to make it possible for me to live without a land-line-phone, but still with costs lower than that. Oh, and all of the cool apps that have been discussed in the list over the last three days. Oliver ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Get them while they're still hot!
Op Sunday 08 July 2007 21:40:14 schreef Sean Moss-Pultz: Dear Community! Today is the day that we've all been waiting for: We can finally take your order for the world's first freed phone. Neos are waiting in customs just outside our factory in SuZhou. Early this week, they will start their journey to FIC America in Fremont, California. We're sending them by air so they should arrive really fast. (We'll update you as soon as we know more tracking information.) Get them while they're still hot ;-) http://www.openmoko.com Right now we only have the credit card payment option in place. Later this week we should be able to take wire transfers. Will there be MasterCard support? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: firefox for mobiles
On Fri, 2007-05-11 at 16:12 +0200, Thomas Gstädtner wrote: As announced this is a long term project, so there will be no firefox mobile in 2007 and maybe not in 2008. Firefox doesnt only use a massive amount of RAM, it also needs a powerful CPU. Imho a browser based on KHTML/WebKit, especially S60WebKit would be the best choise. Whoever has used one of the new S60 3rd Edition will agree, because that browser simply rocks (and is damn fast!). S60WebKit is partly OpenSource, only the UI isn't. Runs on Symbian tho :( ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Problem compiling openmoko with MokoMakefile
Mark Chandler wrote: Gary Oliver wrote: I've been trying to get the openmoko build (using the super Makefile) to go for the last few days without complete success. ... I had the same problem today. Rod W. let me know that there's now a fix in place for it. a make update brought in the changes and the subsequent build completed ok. My make openmoko-devel-image has cruised past that former roadblock. Thanks! -Gary ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Problem compiling openmoko with MokoMakefile
I've been trying to get the openmoko build (using the super Makefile) to go for the last few days without complete success. I believe I've followed the instructions with respect to the system requirements, and the build DOES get through about 12 hours of work (about 400meg has been downloaded and the build directory contains about 5 Gb before failing, so it seems to be quite well along. The failure comes at: NOTE: package gtk+-directfb-2.10.9-r0: task do_fetch: completed NOTE: package gtk+-directfb-2.10.9-r0: task do_unpack: started NOTE: Unpacking /home/go/Projects/openmoko/sources/gtk+-2.10.9.tar.bz2 to /home/go/Projects/openmoko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-linux/gtk+-directfb-2.10.9-r0/ NOTE: package gtk+-directfb-2.10.9-r0: task do_unpack: completed NOTE: package gtk+-directfb-2.10.9-r0: task do_patch: started NOTE: Applying patch 'no-xwc.patch' ERROR: Error in executing: /home/go/Projects/openmoko/openembedded/packages/gtk+/gtk+-directfb_2.10.9.bb ERROR: Exception:exceptions.IOError Message:[Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/go/Projects/openmoko/openembedded/packages/gtk+/files/./no-xwc.patch' Which appears to be a failure to apply a patchfile no-xwc.patch which doesn't seem to be part of the source tree at this point. The files directory contains only migration.patch. Has anyone else seen this, and if so, what bit of detail in the instructions did I fail to notice that's causing this? FYI I have tried building from complete scratch a number of times (blowing away everything except the Makefile) in hopes that I'd simply polluted my local tree somehow. Didn't fix it. A quick google for this file netted me several different variations, so am not quite sure what no-xwc patches are required for OE/OpenMoko. Am running a fairly stock Debian testing system on an 32 bit AMD platform. No apparent shortage of disk space. Thanks for any help, Gary ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: an idea: GPS blog?
Op dinsdag 23 januari 2007 14:55, schreef Dean Collins: The big problem with a lot of these applications being suggested is it will require back end servers to store the data. I'm yet to see anyone suggest SAAS pricing models for FIC applications on a monthly/annual basis or is everyone on this list still thinking that open source means free. I think most of us are thinking about home-servers. I wrote a simple php-script on my server that takes the arguments (GPS-coordinates) of a GET-request and puts those in my postgreSQL-database. Then another, equally simple, php-script pulls those coordinates out of the database and shows them graphically on a jpg/png of my choosing for anyone to view. Optionally you could use the Google Maps API. All of this is should be do-able on anything starting from a virtual hosting account, even storing the data in a database is optional, just use a textfile. I've tested this setup by sending FlightGear's nmea-output through a bash-script to the input.php and it works beautifully! All I need now is a small application on my mobile to make the HTTP GET-request like http://www.example.com/webgps/input.php?lat=51.439123lon=5.477123 unfortunately, my programming skills are limited to the most basic php and bash. Oliver ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo, Japan, SIM cards, prepaid.
On Sun, 2006-12-24 at 06:46 +0900, Rowland Cheshire wrote: I posted too soon. Just found this. http://euc.jp/misc/cellphones.en.html#sim; Do Japanese phones use a SIM card? Are they locked? Can I unlock them? It depends. All PDC, cdmaOne and PHS phones and most CDMA2000 phones: They do not adopt a SIM card and cannot be unlocked. Most FOMA phones, SIM card-based CDMA2000 phones and some Vodafone 3G phones (e.g. 702NK/II): They cannot be unlocked so far. Some Vodafone 3G phones (e.g. 802SE etc.): They can be unlocked. Japan market is almost 100% gsm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
