Re: [QtMoko] handset is (almost) unusable for voice calls with background noise
On Tuesday 15 June 2010 10:58:41 Joerg Reisenweber wrote: Some FR have a problem of 2 capacitors in path to earpiece reducing max possible earpiece level, while others have a correct 2 pcs 0R wire instead. Actually for those I heard several complaints earpiece is too loud :-) I also have the problem the earpiece is too quiet. I set bypass and speaker volume to maximum in SHR-testing. Especially in China (china mobile) I couldn't use my FR because the operator seems to lower the volume drastically. Can I expect the cap problem in the A5? And can I exchange these caps with 'wire' (or a drop of tin myself? Depeje ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
parts for the buzzfix
Hello, I'm searching for the parts for the buzz-fix so I could do it myself. I only find it quite difficult to difficult to find the needed components: 2K2 0402 smd resistor and a small ceramic 100µF smd cap. On farnell you have to be a company and digikey charges 18 Euro transport costs :O. The local electronic shop doesn't have any of this components. Is there anyone on this list who can send a cap and some resistors to somewhere near Leuven, Belgium in an envelope for a reasonable price? Depeje ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: parts for the buzzfix
On Wednesday 09 June 2010 15:20:51 Paul Fertser wrote: Peter Nijs moko...@depeje.net writes: find it quite difficult to difficult to find the needed components: 2K2 0402 smd resistor and a small ceramic 100µF smd cap. It'd be a bit too long for me to send you the parts but i can suggest using 0603 R (it fits there all right because one side of it should be connected to the ground plane anyway.) and a tantalum capacitor, those are much easier to source. HTH Thanks for the tips. I already found them on rs-components (and I have contacts who can order there). But aren't tantalum cap's polarised? Or is the mic signal DC? Or is there another reason why this isn't a problem? My coursebook states that they can withstand voltage reversal. I interpreted this line as: they're not designed for it, but if you do it once by accident, they won't break. Peter ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: parts for the buzzfix
On Wednesday 09 June 2010 18:23:16 Jan Girlich wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 09.06.2010, 14:49 +0200 schrieb Peter Nijs: Is there anyone on this list who can send a cap and some resistors to somewhere near Leuven, Belgium in an envelope for a reasonable price? I should have some of the resistors left at home I'd send you just for the postage from Germany to Belgium. Tell me if you still want me to send those to you and I'll have a look. Cheers Jan Thank you all for the tips and the offers. Unfortunately I don't have the time to search for the specific cap, nor do I have unused ethernet cards. So I ordered a tantalum cap together with the resistors, who are practically free, with a friend who can combine this order with a much bigger order. I'll keep the tips of the network cards and harddrives in mind for the 1024 fix and the bass rework which are of less importance right now. I'll do that in a couple of months when I have more time. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: [Shr-User] What's going on in SHR land
Hi, On Monday 02 November 2009 10:59:42 Sander van Grieken wrote: Thanks for the update! Ever since I saw that the SHR feeds didn't get updated for a while I compiled SHR myself from the shr/import branch, so I already knew that there was a lot of activity going on under the radar. For me the usage of opimd for contacts is the nicest new feature. It has a VCF backend, so I could just scp my Kaddressbook contacts over to the FR and have all my contacts available. nice! I'm using the latest testing image (4/12/2009) and I'm wondering where in the filesystem I have to put my vcf contacts. I'm having trouble installing pisi, and it actually isn't worth the trouble if I can just use your method. I just can't find out where I have to put my vcf. Thanks in advance. Graphic speed felt a little slower though, and the interfacing with FSO was broken in some places, like the power management. Also the power button didn't bring up the popup menu. But these are all findings of a few weeks back, so most will probably be long fixed already. Thanks again, looking forward to the next stable unstable release of SHR! grtz, Sander On Sunday 01 November 2009 17:04:30 Thomas Zimmermann wrote: For the SHR users that aren't reading the SHR mailing lists i'm forwarding this message from spaetz: Betreff: [Shr-User] What's going on in SHR land Datum: Sonntag 01 November 2009 Von: Sebastian Spaeth sebast...@sspaeth.de An: shr-de...@lists.shr-project.org, shr-u...@lists.shr-project.org Hi all, for those of you few that do not live 24/7 in IRC land, here is a not-so-brief update on what is happening in SHR land. No, we are not all dead :). There are a couple of major transitions that have slowed down new images or indeed any updates in the SHR feed. Let me try to sum up a few and I am sure others will chime in and list whatever I have forgotten: - Transition from the obsolete kdrive-glamo driver to a proper xorg server infrastructure. This took some time, but it appears that it is working fine now. Don't expect any (initial) performance boosts, but being on a regular xorg server and having a driver that is actually being developed and maintained is a good thing for the future (thanks to Weiss and others for some really hard work here). - More fso...d goodness. Rather than having Mickey Lauer's python prototyped phone backend, we are starting to his re-written bits and pieces (coded in vala, which should give us a nice performance boost over python). For the beginning we have the resource handling (fsoresourced) on board and look forward to the next bits and pieces. I know very little about the state of things here, so others might have more information. -New phone apps: As if that were not enough changes, the core team (mrmoku, tasn, dos1, and others?) has started to redevelop the frontend applications for SHR. the old ophonekitd was initially developed by a guy called quickev who has been missing in action since quite some months now. Don't ask ME why, but apparently the now design allows for better/quicker/whatnot development. I'll let one of them speak out for themselves about the motivations. Besides lots of work,this gives us also a chance to redesign the screens and make the UI better. So goodbuy ophonekitd and libphone-efl, welcome phoneui, and libphoneui-shr. -Bernd Prünzler(spelling?) is kind enough to help out with some theme development (BTW, you did know there is a theme contest going on, do you? So, go and design and submit something already!). The default theme has been designed for powerful desktops, and is using more transparency and other fancy stuff than the slow graphics can do. He is developing a theme that should be much faster on the Freerunner (but don't expect miracles, the hardware will still be barely able to drive a full VGA-resolution screen). So expect a big fight between dos1 (niebee theme) and bernd (gry theme) for the fastest performance (while retaining good looks). Last but not least: what we had done the last few months, is basically taking a fork of OpenEmbedded and developing from that. While this gave us the stability to code apps without having others break our stuff (we are quite capabable of doing that ourselves it seems :-) ), this led to a quickly diverging SHR and OE tree. It was decided that we really should include our stuff into OpenEmbedded proper, rather than just doing our stuff in parallel. So we had first put all the stuff into an SHR/import git tree which is in the openembedded code repository. Next, mrmoku created the shr/merge tree which is kept in sync with the OpenEmbedded tree and we ported all our enhancements there. The plan is to take our bits and pieces from here and merge them into OE over time. This is where we currently stand, we want to keep using the shr/merge tree which gives us a current OE
Re: [opimd] Call from opimd-contacts isn't working
On Monday 09 November 2009 14:38:45 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: On 11/9/09, Peter Nijs moko...@depeje.net wrote: Hello, I never succeed in calling someone from the opimd-contacts application. There is just no response. When you would expect the dailer (standard shr) to pop up, it doesn't. Running opimd-contacts from the commandline doesn't reveal much. At startup I just get: r...@fry ~ $ opimd-contacts Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/connection.py:242: DeprecationWarning: object.__init__() takes no parameters super(Connection, self).__init__(*args, **kwargs) Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged . And a bunch of them! Nothing happens on the cli when I press the number to call from the contact. I use version 0.0.3+gitr133+11536ff92e44c956bb53af210fbe0ab806d8dcaf-r2 of opimd-utils. Is this still normal, or should this work by now? Depeje Check your ogsmd and ophonekitd/phonefsod. opimd-contacts is just calling InitiateCall method, nothing more, rest is to be done by other apps. Hello, Thanks for helping. I have looked around a little bit but cannot find anything. When running ophonekitd from the terminal, I don't even see any message comming up when trying to call someone from my addressbook. I'm running the 'stable' unstable version of SHR from august. I have updated ophonekitd right now and that didn't change anything. Currently I'm runnging version 0.0.2+gitr759+767cc2cd22f5f15c69440018365d41980b1507aa-r18. I didn't find ogsmd. to find information or to update. It's hidden well. Also, resolving phonennumbers to names isn't working. Depeje ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[opimd] Call from opimd-contacts isn't working
Hello, I never succeed in calling someone from the opimd-contacts application. There is just no response. When you would expect the dailer (standard shr) to pop up, it doesn't. Running opimd-contacts from the commandline doesn't reveal much. At startup I just get: r...@fry ~ $ opimd-contacts Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/dbus/connection.py:242: DeprecationWarning: object.__init__() takes no parameters super(Connection, self).__init__(*args, **kwargs) Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged . And a bunch of them! Nothing happens on the cli when I press the number to call from the contact. I use version 0.0.3+gitr133+11536ff92e44c956bb53af210fbe0ab806d8dcaf-r2 of opimd-utils. Is this still normal, or should this work by now? Depeje ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009] airplane mode
On Saturday 20 June 2009 16:00:10 Al Johnson wrote: On Friday 19 June 2009, Petr Vanek wrote: - FSO has a bug in reporting the speed - you will notice in speed above 200km - check between shr settings and tango - FSO is quite unable to get a fix while in 1m altitude and (or) high speed. it sees the satelites, get's a fix and then for some reason something happens and no satelite is being seen anymore. this will repeat fo as long as you leave it. The GPS has several modes optimised for different use cases. The default one is suitable for ground-based vehicles, and sanity checks its output including speed and altitude. In a plane you are at insane speed and altitude for a ground vehicle ;-) I don't think ogpsd has an option to change this, so a feature request may be in order. Do you know what it would do with speeds of 300 km/h and altitudes of 2000 m in Belgium? I would like to be able to trust the gps logs of such events. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fennec on TR4
Hey, I've found more builds for arm here: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/ . I just copied the content of the archives (I've tried b1rc2, b1rc3 and the nightly build from 7 june 2009) in /usr/lib/ over the original (from pkg) folder. But running fennec then gives me: r...@fry:/usr/lib# export DISPLAY=:0 r...@fry:/usr/lib# ./fennec/fennec ./fennec/fennec: libstdc++.so.6: no version information available (required by ./fennec/fennec) Illegal instruction r...@fry:/usr/lib# Maybe someone knows how to work around that. I use Om2008.12 and with the original from pkg (Version: 1:0.9+1.0b2pre-r3) I also have the illigal instruction' problem. best regards, depeje On Tuesday 26 May 2009 05:04:31 Warren Baird wrote: Thanks Victor - but I really don't have the time right now to set up a dev environment to build stuff for the FR... If there's a build of it somewhere I can grab and install, I'd happily test it... Warren On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Victor Tang tangx5...@gmail.com wrote: -- Hi Warren Baird, Try a stable version.E.g. tag=*FENNEC_B1https://hg.mozilla.org/mobile-browser/rev/9aa835472fed * thanks, Victor ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
microsoft patent with idea's from this list
I've just read a (Dutch) news article (http://tweakers.net/nieuws/58158/microsoft-wil-brug-tussen-smartphone-en-pc- patenteren.html) which describes a new patent microsoft filed. In the article is a link to an English description of the patent. (http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=WONR=2009012344A2KC=A2FT=Ddate=20090122DB=EPODOClocale=en_US) The patent describes a dock for a smartphone, which connects to external devices such as a keyboard, mouse, screen,... wired or wireless. Now I think Openmoko already does a lot of these things, and other things have already been thought of. We can already hook up wired and wireless devices (such as mice and keyboards) to the Freerunner. I'm almost sure someone suggested hooking up an external screen to it. That's technically not possible, but it's been thought of. Integrating the wired connection between FR and the external devices has also been thought of earlier in this list. I'm not a lawyer, but since the patent was published on the 22th of January, I think for some parts of this patent, there is some sort of prior art involved. Also it wouldn't surprise me if Microsoft and Apple are eavesdropping on this list. (Note to Microsoft and Apple: Please don't steal our idea's. If you do: Please die a slow and painfull death.) mvg, depeje signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: microsoft patent with idea's from this list
On Tuesday 03 February 2009 15:11:40 Mathieu Rochette wrote: Peter Nijs wrote: I've just read a (Dutch) news article (http://tweakers.net/nieuws/58158/microsoft-wil-brug-tussen-smartphone-en -pc- patenteren.html) which describes a new patent microsoft filed. In the article is a link to an English description of the patent. (http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=WONR=20090123 44A2KC=A2FT=Ddate=20090122DB=EPODOClocale=en_US) The patent describes a dock for a smartphone, which connects to external devices such as a keyboard, mouse, screen,... wired or wireless. Now I think Openmoko already does a lot of these things, and other things have already been thought of. We can already hook up wired and wireless devices (such as mice and keyboards) to the Freerunner. I'm almost sure someone suggested hooking up an external screen to it. That's technically not possible, but it's been thought of. Integrating the wired connection between FR and the external devices has also been thought of earlier in this list. wikipedia says: a patent application must include one or more claims defining the invention which must be new, inventive, and useful or industrially applicable. one or more means that even if prior art exists, it can still be patented. This is different from intellectual property where anteriority prevent copyright. (at least in france) But it also seas it must be new. Which it isn't because it has been suggested on this list before. I'm not a lawyer, but since the patent was published on the 22th of January, I think for some parts of this patent, there is some sort of prior art involved. Also it wouldn't surprise me if Microsoft and Apple are eavesdropping on this list. (Note to Microsoft and Apple: Please don't steal our idea's. If you do: Please die a slow and painfull death.) mvg, depeje ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: microsoft patent with idea's from this list
On Tuesday 03 February 2009 20:10:08 arne anka wrote: (http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=WONR=20090123 44A2KC=A2FT=Ddate=20090122DB=EPODOClocale=en_US) i didn't read it fully, but how does that differ from a simple hub or the common docking station well known to notebook users? and it what respect exactly is it not obvious? btw: there's one of these foss organisations doing exactly what we want -- looking for prior art and questioning patents. if anybody knows their address, drop 'em a note ... Do you mean this one? http://openinventionnetwork.com/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dead FR: does not boot IT NOW DOES
Borrowing a nokia battery isn't difficult, but it's not good pr for the freerunner tho. depeje On Thursday 22 January 2009 16:25:37 Eildert Groeneveld wrote: Just to update all of you: meanwhile the FR is alive again. None of tricks mentioned here cut, except replacing the apparently totally drained battery with that from a compatible Nokia phone. After booting I connected my FR to power and exchanged the batteries agaian and charging went ahead as one would expect. So we do not really ever have a problem with our nice FR as long as there are friends around who are willing to lend a battery. greetings Eildert ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dead FR: does not boot
You could try hooking the battery connector of the freerunner directly to an alternative 4,5V source, like a battery. With the original battery in the freerunner you can check the polarity. Remove the original battery before connecting the alternative one. If, with a full 4,5 battery, your freerunner doesn't boot, and the cables, connectors,.. aren't broken, I would also guess something serious is wrong with your freerunner. When it boots, or partially boots, you know you can keep trying other combinations of usb/wall/laptop/power/aux/UBOOT (I think some uboot versions can handle the problem better). You can also completely boot withe alternative supply, plug in the wall charger and switch the alternative supply with the original battery. It will then start charging. If I remember correctly you can't see it's charging from the battery icon. #cat /proc/apm will tell you the truth. depeje On Monday 19 January 2009 10:57:45 Eildert Groeneveld wrote: Dear List the booting issue with a flat battery has been with us for some time, but allegedly also been solved. My FR seems to have a drained battery but no combination of aux/power and power/aux with usb/laptop and wallsocket could persuade it to enter life: it simply stays dead. Has this happended to anyone else? Perhaps the FR itself is broken? any suggestions? Eildert ps I have hackable1 (upto date last week) on it. I ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: debian and openoffice
Are you running out of ram? I've already seen processes vanish when running out of ram and swap. Earlyer today I've seen a post about how to add swap space. I've never used debian or openoffice on my freerunner, maybe it's possible, I haven't invesigated it. Openoffice seems just such a heavy program for the freerunner. depeje On Saturday 17 January 2009 21:05:55 Samuel Pereira wrote: Hi, Anyone can use openoffice with debian? I try to open, but the process starts and stop without error... Thanks, Samuel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: results of a survey maemo vs openmoko
They wanted to only let active members take part in the survey if I remember correctly. By sending the mail to the mailinglist they can't prevent non- active users not to participate. depeje On Thursday 15 January 2009 18:47:46 Joseph Reeves wrote: Did anyone else ignore the original survey as unsolicited spam? I'd have probably completed it if they'd sent a mail to the mailing list asking people to take part, but sending it to individual users seemed to be bad netiquette. Joseph 2009/1/15 Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com: http://public.smi.ethz.ch/files/MaemoOpenmoko/PublicDescriptiveStatistics .html it's also on the planet: http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/maemo-openmoko-community-survey-results-publi shed/ thought people would find it interesting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid networking question
Sadly, this doesn't work on my suse (/etc/sysconfig/...) based system. depeje On Thursday 08 January 2009 12:58:09 Thomas Otterbein wrote: FYI: On my kubuntu (ubuntu with KDE installed by default) using the KDE NetworkManager I followed the advices on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Debian.2C_Ubuntu_and_others but insereted auto usb0 into /etc/network/interfaces as suggested by arne. It looks now like that: auto lo iface lo inet loopback # freerunner auto usb0 allow-hotplug usb0 iface usb0 inet static address 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.192 post-up /etc/network/freerunner start pre-down /etc/network/freerunner stop After a reboot (NetworkManager did not want to play well i.e. did not adopt to the changes) I get Device usb0: unmanaged and everything works as expected: My FR get's configured by /etc/network/freerunner and my (W)LAN-connections a correctly handled by NetworkManager. I guess this solution solves the issue for Ubuntu and all it's derivates too. Probably for all KDE-Installations as it seems that the key is to make the NetworkManager ignore the usb0-Interface. Regards thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.12] problem flashing u-boot
I also have a similar problem and an easy workaround. I have the next files in the next folders: flash/ flash/dfu-util flash/2008.9/ flash/2008.9/uImage.bin flash/2008.9/rootfs.jffs2 flash/2008.12/uImage.bin flash/2008.12/rootfs.jffs2 flash/qtextended/. When I do: # cd flash # ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D 2008.12/uImage.bin I also get No such Alternate Setting: kernel, but when I do this: # cd 2008.12 # ../dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uImage.bin it just works. For me this is true for -a kernel and -a rootfs. I haven't tried uboot the wrong way. depeje On Saturday 10 January 2009 05:55:21 Harry L. Lee wrote: this command line: ./dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D uboot.bin yields dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc. This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY Opening USB Device 0x:0x... Claiming USB DFU Runtime Interface... Determining device status: state = dfuERROR, status = 14 dfuERROR, clearing status not at least 2 device changes found ?!? Opening USB Device... No such Alternate Setting: u-boot r...@galaxy:/home/harry# a nickel for a clue? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Using mplayer with seme desktop symbols for streaming stations and wlan :-)
I've seen one in the angstom-distribution's repo. depeje On Sunday 04 January 2009 15:30:13 lollisoft wrote: Hi, I am sad. The new version in testing from today does not contain an installable mplayer. Where must I go to download one for my FR ? Thanks Lothar kimaidou wrote: Hi Guys I am using a shell script on Ubuntu which uses mplayer to play internet (streaming) radio stations. I attached the script in this email. I haven't yet tried it on the freerunner, but I should probably work. It has been written by french people, so the radio are french ones, but it can be adapted. Happy new year 2009/1/4 lollisoft lothar.behr...@lollisoft.de I think that the problem of the error message is not killing mplayer, but the outer script gets reported to stop unexpectly. Propably there should be implemented a signal handler. Lothar Chris Samuel wrote: On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 11:17:56 am Daniel Nöthen wrote: What you probably mean is the killall -SIGKILL command which kills the process without giving it the chance for run any cleanup routines. It depends on what the programmer has specified signal handlers for, so if they'd coded something just to deal with a user getting disconnected (SIGHUP) but not for ^C (SIGTERM) then you're better off sending that program SIGHUP rather than SIGTERM. Not to mention submitting a patch make it handle SIGTERM too.. ;-) Fortunately mplayer does the right thing in this case. -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Using-mplayer-with-seme-desktop-symbols-for-streami ng-stations-and-wlan-%3A-%29-tp2107090p2108651.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
wifi using GUI in 2008.9
Hi, The wiki says that I can use the gui in the settings-application to even connect to a wpa2 protected network. Now I tried that with an open network and it works. (except for rerouting, which I still have to do using terminal. It also thinks it failed even when it succeeded.) But I was never able to connect to my protected network, probably because I type in the PSK wrong. Isn't there a way to preload the neo with the key via ssh in a config file? Because having to type it is really a pain in the rear. Also I have noticed the gui doesn't store the password, but maybe it's because it thinks the connection failed. I want to use the gui because it otherwise seems to interfere with mofi or lint (or the ifup, wpa_supplicant). It is also the nearest to usable tool to connect to a network. The only things I would like to see improved are: -a config, or config files for each AP -reroute through eth0 -know when it is connected and don't say it failed when it succeeded. In a further stadium 802.1x would be nice. greetings, depeje signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: wifi using GUI in 2008.9
On Sunday 07 December 2008 12:17:19 arne anka wrote: Isn't there a way to preload the neo with the key via ssh in a config file? /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf My accesspoint is configured in wpa_supplicant, but the gui keeps asking me for the key. Should I just not fill it in then? depeje ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: power-on without battery!
I think you should be more concerned with the clips that hold the back cover on your phone. I only remove the cover (very carefully) when my phone freezes). It's also easier to find a new battery insted of finding a new back cover for the freerunner. depeje Op Tuesday 11 November 2008 11:13:26 schreef Tony Berth: On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Christian Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 11.11.2008 um 10:35 schrieb Tony Berth: Hi, I was trying to power-on my FR but having the battery removed and didn't succeed! Goes up to a point and then stops! Is a reason for that? Thanks Tony on booting the FR needs more than 100mA - and that's the limit as long as no system is running yet ciao, christian (morlac) adams - -- so USB connection doesn't provide enough 'juice' to boot? The reason was to save on battery. Trying to avoid the memory effect! Thanks Tony signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: (OM2008.9) Weird death on connecting USB
I have that same behaviour when connecting my freerunner to a zingg hub dynamo charger. mvg, depeje Op Sunday 19 October 2008 19:14:34 schreef Paul: Hi all, Been running OM2008.9 for a while (from uSD) and that's pretty okay. Just now however I noticed: After having the FR on for about a day, I connected the USB cable to the PC. The FR screen showed for a moment, went black and remained that way. I had to pull the battery to force a reboot. Is this known behaviour? Will that not happen when I flash the FR with this? Paul signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
minimo segfaults when surfing to ssl sites with non-standard ports
To be able to use the wireless lan in my college I have to authenticate myself thrue an ssl encrypted site. When I use minimo for that (the only browser that knows something about ssl on the freerunner) it segfaults. Attached to this mail is the output file of #wget http://www.google.be . You can see the browser will be redirected to an ssl-encrypted site on port 8081, at which point minimo segfaults. I don't get the chance to see the authentication form. When I am completely connected to the internet and i surf to a self hosted ssl-site on port 44344 it also segfaults. This is particularly nasty because now I can't use the internet at all in my college. Does anybody know where I should start looking for a solution, or anybody who knows a workaround to get authenticated? sincerly yours, depeje text/html; charset="iso 8859-15"; name="index.html": Unrecognized signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Use gps for clock correction
That works, thanks! Op Friday 15 August 2008 13:59:17 schreef vale: gpssight can do that: opkg install http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/227/gpssight_0.8.4_freerunner .armv4t.ipk signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Use gps for clock correction
I've put this solution in the wiki. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Setting_Date_and_Time#Setting_the_date.2Ftime_automatically_with_gps Peter Op Friday 15 August 2008 13:59:17 schreef vale: gpssight can do that: opkg install http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/227/gpssight_0.8.4_freerunner .armv4t.ipk signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Use gps for clock correction
Is there a way to use the clock of the gps to correct the hardware clock of the neo? A button sync hw clock in agpsui would be nice. Maybe later it could be a daemon (like ntpd) that does this as soon as the gps chip knows the gps time. Peter signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: opkg: Could not obtain administrative lock (Om2008.8)
The graphical installer uses packagekit. This doesn't close when you close the installer. So if you want to use opkg after having used the installer, run killall packagekit first. Peter Op Saturday 09 August 2008 06:03:32 schreef Nathan Kinkade: Installed the Om2008.8 images announced today and so far I'm very impressed. I think this is probably good enough for me to start using the Freerunner as my daily mobile device. However, I just ran into a small issue that I thought I'd post here in case someone else runs across it. To test the graphical installer app, I launched it and installed something ... it worked nicely. I then went to a terminal to install something else but I was getting this message: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg list Collected errors: * Could not obtain administrative lock I then found this thread: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td680875 I expected my problem to be the same, but it wasn't: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# fuser /usr/lib/opkg/lock 1872 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ps up 1872 USER PID %CPU %MEMVSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND root 1872 11.7 2.4 16732 2976 ?SLsl 19:25 9:07 /usr/bin/pulseaudio sniped I have no idea what pulseaudio was doing with opkg ... maybe updating itself or some component? Anyway, maybe this will help someone else. Nathan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om 2008.8 doesn't ask for my pin so no gsm available
In an attempt to make it work (which failed btw) I installed these packages from the standard repos: -gsm0710mux -libgsmd -gsmd-plugins -libmokogsmd2-0 -qtopia-phone-x11-libgsm + all dependency's Since it still doesn't work, the question is if they are necessary to be able to use the openmoko as a phone. If they are not necessary, arn't they going to interfere with the packages that are used now to make phone calls? Peter Op Friday 08 August 2008 23:16:29 schreef Peter Mogensen: I flashed the new kernel and image but if I boot now I'm not getting asked for a pin. There's no gsm in 2008.8 for me... This seem to be a common problem. The PIN-dialog does come up once in a while though. Restarting the X-server can make it appear. But even though to enter the correct PIN and the dialog closes without error, there's no GMS available. Trying to talk AT to the modem manually doesn't seem to work either. It just hangs. I tried move the SIM to an old phone an it still works OK. Somehow the FreeRunner seemded to have disabled PIN on the SIM though, so I had to re-enable. Peter ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner-powered bike ride
You can find water-proof cases here. http://www.otterbox.be/index1.html?lang=nlgclid=CJ3C0v_B_pQCFROI1Qod-hyCqg I haven't checked if it actually fits. Peter Nijs Op Monday 04 August 2008 05:27:14 schreef Tim Erwin: I took some photos and uploaded them to my blog: http://andre.web-yard.de/blog/2008/08/03/neo-freerunner-rocks-hard-rides- free/ That looks great! Add a weather proof case/cover and a dynamo charger and that will make for some awesome riding. Cheers, Tim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner ?hibernates? while flashing?
I also have experienced this annoing shutdowns while I was in U-Boot, but not during flashing. Peter Op Thursday 07 August 2008 22:36:27 schreef Christophe Badoit: Rorschach a écrit : Hi, when I go into the NOR-Flash to flash my rootfs or the kernel and I do nothing for ~30 sec the screen gets dark. What happens? Is it just hibernating or shutting down? I have to press the aux-button a lot but this is really annonying. But the real question: what happens if I flash an image and do not press the aux-button all the time? The same like I'm just normal in the menu? So does it shutdown and abort the flashing while the transfer? I read in the wiki (don't know where / when) that : - uboot shuts down after 30s of inactivity - transferring via dfu prevents shutting down signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fast questions (email, GPRS, WiFi...)
After a while it became clear it was only reproducible when my neo can visibly
see my router. When there's concrete in between it doesn't work for my neo.
My notebook on the other hand reports 60% signal strength and can connect in
seconds.
When udhcpc is sending discovers I can see on my router it is receiving
these discovers and is assigning my neo an ip. Unfortunatly udhcpc keeps
sending discovers as if it doesn't hear my router's respons.
Sometimes udhcpc outputs a couple of this lines Sending select for
192.168.1.92 At these moments I can see on my router the lease time for
that ip is forever. But after udhcpc outputted a couple of these lines it
reverts to sending discovers.
When I leave udhcpc running for like 10 minutes it finally also receives a
lease time which is quite forever (140773632 seconds). My router reports it
as forever.
Here's my iwconfig output if it can be of any use:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# iwconfig
lono wireless extensions.
usb0 no wireless extensions.
eth0 AR6000 802.11g ESSID:PN
Mode:Managed Frequency:2.462 GHz Access Point: 00:0E:2E:BA:1E:51
Bit Rate=1 Mb/s Tx-Power=15 dBm Sensitivity=0/3
Retry:on
Encryption key:off
Power Management:off
Link Quality:172/94 Signal level:-179 dBm Noise level:-96 dBm
Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0
Tx excessive retries:39 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0
I think it's mainly a bug in udhcpc which maibe isn't fully compatible with my
edimax router and dhcp server.
Peter Nijs
Op Friday 25 July 2008 01:27:58 schreef Peter Nijs:
With udhcpc eth0 immediatly after ifup eth0 I seem to get an IP
(reproducably!). I also did ifdown usb0 now before I did ifup eth0. I was
planning to that _after_ I got an IP on eth0. Thanks for the help!
Peter Nijs
Op Thursday 24 July 2008 23:09:12 schreef Jim Morris:
Make sure you do ifdown usb0 before ifup eth0
Then if dhcp does not get a lease first time through (which for me is
about 50/50) then you can do this from the console which always gets the
lease for me.
udhcpc eth0
After that wifi should work.
Peter Nijs wrote:
After a whole lot of tweaking I still cannot get an IP from my wireless
router. My current setup looks like this:
/etc/network/interfaces:---
# /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8)
# The loopback interface
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback
# Wireless interfaces
iface wlan0 inet dhcp
wireless_mode managed
wireless_essid any
iface atml0 inet dhcp
# Wired or wireless interfaces
iface eth0 inet dhcp
wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
iface eth1 inet dhcp
# Ethernet/RNDIS gadget (g_ether)
# ... or on host side, usbnet and random hwaddr
auto usb0
iface usb0 inet static
address 192.168.0.202
netmask 255.255.255.0
network 192.168.0.0
gateway 192.168.0.200
up echo nameserver 192.168.0.200 /etc/resolv.conf
# Bluetooth networking
iface bnep0 inet dhcp
/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant:
-- ctrl_interface=/var/run/wpa_supplicant
ctrl_interface_group=0
eapol_version=1
ap_scan=1
fast_reauth=0
network={
ssid=PN
scan_ssid=1
key_mgmt=NONE
wep_tx_keyidx=0
wep_key0=I'm not showing that!
priority=8
}
Now here's what I do:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ifup eth0
sed: unrecognized option `--quiet'
BusyBox v1.11.1 (2008-07-18 00:49:01 CEST) multi-call binary
Usage: sed [-efinr] pattern [files...]
WPA: Configuring Interface
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
udhcpc (v1.11.1) started
run-parts: /etc/udhcpc.d/00avahi-autoipd exited with code 1
Sending discover...
Sending discover...
Sending discover...
No lease, failing
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# iwconfig
lono wireless extensions.
usb0 no wireless extensions.
eth0 AR6000 802.11g ESSID:PN
Mode:Managed Frequency:2.462 GHz Access Point:
00:0E:2E:BA:1E:51 Bit Rate=36 Mb/s Tx-Power=15 dBm Sensitivity=0/3
Retry:on
Encryption key:897B-9067-4C99-1AC7-B433-AABB-01 Security
mode:open Power Management:off
Link Quality:180/94 Signal level:-171 dBm Noise level:-96
dBm Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 Tx
excessive retries:7 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:1
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ifconfig eth0
eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:12:CF:8E:E6:8D
UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX
Re: Fast questions (email, GPRS, WiFi...)
After a whole lot of tweaking I still cannot get an IP from my wireless
router. My current setup looks like this:
/etc/network/interfaces:---
# /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8)
# The loopback interface
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback
# Wireless interfaces
iface wlan0 inet dhcp
wireless_mode managed
wireless_essid any
iface atml0 inet dhcp
# Wired or wireless interfaces
iface eth0 inet dhcp
wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
iface eth1 inet dhcp
# Ethernet/RNDIS gadget (g_ether)
# ... or on host side, usbnet and random hwaddr
auto usb0
iface usb0 inet static
address 192.168.0.202
netmask 255.255.255.0
network 192.168.0.0
gateway 192.168.0.200
up echo nameserver 192.168.0.200 /etc/resolv.conf
# Bluetooth networking
iface bnep0 inet dhcp
/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant:--
ctrl_interface=/var/run/wpa_supplicant
ctrl_interface_group=0
eapol_version=1
ap_scan=1
fast_reauth=0
network={
ssid=PN
scan_ssid=1
key_mgmt=NONE
wep_tx_keyidx=0
wep_key0=I'm not showing that!
priority=8
}
Now here's what I do:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ifup eth0
sed: unrecognized option `--quiet'
BusyBox v1.11.1 (2008-07-18 00:49:01 CEST) multi-call binary
Usage: sed [-efinr] pattern [files...]
WPA: Configuring Interface
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
udhcpc (v1.11.1) started
run-parts: /etc/udhcpc.d/00avahi-autoipd exited with code 1
Sending discover...
Sending discover...
Sending discover...
No lease, failing
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# iwconfig
lono wireless extensions.
usb0 no wireless extensions.
eth0 AR6000 802.11g ESSID:PN
Mode:Managed Frequency:2.462 GHz Access Point: 00:0E:2E:BA:1E:51
Bit Rate=36 Mb/s Tx-Power=15 dBm Sensitivity=0/3
Retry:on
Encryption key:897B-9067-4C99-1AC7-B433-AABB-01 Security mode:open
Power Management:off
Link Quality:180/94 Signal level:-171 dBm Noise level:-96 dBm
Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0
Tx excessive retries:7 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:1
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ifconfig eth0
eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:12:CF:8E:E6:8D
UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:646 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:419 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
RX bytes:278955 (272.4 KiB) TX bytes:20950 (20.4 KiB)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~#
While udhcpc is sending discovers I can see my router is leasing my neo a
valid ip for 60 seconds each sending discover.
Sometimes, in very rare cases I can get a decent lease. But that is not
reproducible. I think it's happened three times to me the last three days.
Anyone knows how I could get an IP reliably?
Peter Nijs
Op Sunday 13 July 2008 01:05:12 schreef Jim Morris:
arne anka wrote:
well, i did what
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_wlan
says -- adding
iface eth0 inet dhcp
wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
Ok that worked, although I have some routing issues now. The manual method
did not work though.
iwconfig
eth0 AR6000 802.11g ESSID:morrisnetwork2
Mode:Managed Frequency:2.422 GHz Access Point:
00:1D:5A:BB:FA:A9 Bit Rate=48 Mb/s Tx-Power=16 dBm Sensitivity=0/3
Retry:on
Encryption key:off
Power Management:off
Link Quality:207/94 Signal level:-144 dBm Noise level:-96 dBm
Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0
Tx excessive retries:17 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:11
Although it says encryption key off, but I presume wpa_supplicant is
handling that.
ifconfig
eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:12:CF:74:20:A8
inet addr:192.168.1.70 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:1657 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:832 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
RX bytes:725595 (708.5 KiB) TX bytes:37892 (37.0 KiB)
So its connected to my access point, and I turned off eth0, but I cannot
ping the wireless, I'll work on that it may be routing or it may be
encryption.
Thanks all.
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Re: Fast questions (email, GPRS, WiFi...)
With udhcpc eth0 immediatly after ifup eth0 I seem to get an IP
(reproducably!). I also did ifdown usb0 now before I did ifup eth0. I was
planning to that _after_ I got an IP on eth0. Thanks for the help!
Peter Nijs
Op Thursday 24 July 2008 23:09:12 schreef Jim Morris:
Make sure you do ifdown usb0 before ifup eth0
Then if dhcp does not get a lease first time through (which for me is about
50/50) then you can do this from the console which always gets the lease
for me.
udhcpc eth0
After that wifi should work.
Peter Nijs wrote:
After a whole lot of tweaking I still cannot get an IP from my wireless
router. My current setup looks like this:
/etc/network/interfaces:---
# /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8)
# The loopback interface
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback
# Wireless interfaces
iface wlan0 inet dhcp
wireless_mode managed
wireless_essid any
iface atml0 inet dhcp
# Wired or wireless interfaces
iface eth0 inet dhcp
wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
iface eth1 inet dhcp
# Ethernet/RNDIS gadget (g_ether)
# ... or on host side, usbnet and random hwaddr
auto usb0
iface usb0 inet static
address 192.168.0.202
netmask 255.255.255.0
network 192.168.0.0
gateway 192.168.0.200
up echo nameserver 192.168.0.200 /etc/resolv.conf
# Bluetooth networking
iface bnep0 inet dhcp
/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant:--
ctrl_interface=/var/run/wpa_supplicant
ctrl_interface_group=0
eapol_version=1
ap_scan=1
fast_reauth=0
network={
ssid=PN
scan_ssid=1
key_mgmt=NONE
wep_tx_keyidx=0
wep_key0=I'm not showing that!
priority=8
}
Now here's what I do:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ifup eth0
sed: unrecognized option `--quiet'
BusyBox v1.11.1 (2008-07-18 00:49:01 CEST) multi-call binary
Usage: sed [-efinr] pattern [files...]
WPA: Configuring Interface
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
udhcpc (v1.11.1) started
run-parts: /etc/udhcpc.d/00avahi-autoipd exited with code 1
Sending discover...
Sending discover...
Sending discover...
No lease, failing
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# iwconfig
lono wireless extensions.
usb0 no wireless extensions.
eth0 AR6000 802.11g ESSID:PN
Mode:Managed Frequency:2.462 GHz Access Point:
00:0E:2E:BA:1E:51 Bit Rate=36 Mb/s Tx-Power=15 dBm Sensitivity=0/3
Retry:on
Encryption key:897B-9067-4C99-1AC7-B433-AABB-01 Security
mode:open Power Management:off
Link Quality:180/94 Signal level:-171 dBm Noise level:-96 dBm
Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0
Tx excessive retries:7 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:1
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ifconfig eth0
eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:12:CF:8E:E6:8D
UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:646 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:419 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
RX bytes:278955 (272.4 KiB) TX bytes:20950 (20.4 KiB)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~#
While udhcpc is sending discovers I can see my router is leasing my neo a
valid ip for 60 seconds each sending discover.
Sometimes, in very rare cases I can get a decent lease. But that is not
reproducible. I think it's happened three times to me the last three
days.
Anyone knows how I could get an IP reliably?
Peter Nijs
Op Sunday 13 July 2008 01:05:12 schreef Jim Morris:
arne anka wrote:
well, i did what
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_wlan
says -- adding
iface eth0 inet dhcp
wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
Ok that worked, although I have some routing issues now. The manual
method did not work though.
iwconfig
eth0 AR6000 802.11g ESSID:morrisnetwork2
Mode:Managed Frequency:2.422 GHz Access Point:
00:1D:5A:BB:FA:A9 Bit Rate=48 Mb/s Tx-Power=16 dBm Sensitivity=0/3
Retry:on
Encryption key:off
Power Management:off
Link Quality:207/94 Signal level:-144 dBm Noise level:-96
dBm Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 Tx
excessive retries:17 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:11
Although it says encryption key off, but I presume wpa_supplicant is
handling that.
ifconfig
eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:12:CF:74:20:A8
inet addr:192.168.1.70 Bcast:192.168.1.255
Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:1657
Re: Delay is getting worse...
Done https://admin-trac.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1422 Peter Op Friday 20 June 2008 02:07:03 schreef Steven Kurylo: Here it is: Received: from sita.openmoko.org (sita.openmoko.org [88.198.124.203]) by circe.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77C2133F5B for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 22:25:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=sita.openmoko.org) by sita.openmoko.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1K9PGp-0007oW-Td; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:54:07 +0200 The message is recieved by openmoko at 20:54:07 +0200, but doesn't forward it along until 22:25:10 +0200. You should file a bug report to ensure someone looks into it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use forum?
Op Thursday 19 June 2008 08:40:58 schreef Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: Am 18.06.2008 um 21:08 schrieb Stroller: On 18 Jun 2008, at 12:45, Ewan Marshall wrote: ... Also how do you get unread message notification on forums? ... forums only do whole threads, not individual post in thread. I've started using a new forum recently, there being no mailing-lists I can find for this particular subject, and am reminded how damned irritating this is. Which forum software is there in use? There are differnt ones. The forum software shows which threads have new messages, but when I click on them I'm shown the whole page of upto 40 messages. I scroll through them and find something interesting, only to realise that I already read that message yesterday. I then have to scroll all the way to the bottom of the page to work out which messages within the thread are new. If the thread is a long one I have to then go to the next page do the same thing again. This is the fundamental failing of forums, IMO, but the lack of Is the generalization to all fora software systems valid? I know in phpBB there's a link to the messages from the specified thread you haven't read yet. automatic quoting is also a considerable hindrance. As the thread I know many fora which have automatic quoting. drifts away from the original topic you can't tell who is replying to whom. It is impossible to know what someone is referring to when they make a short post such as I have that one too, and it's great - is it the original device described in the message topic, or the alternative suggested by Dave a few posts in? That is the same with mails (IMHO even worse). My conclusion of all those discussions is: We need both in parallel. Each system has its benefits and let's decide users themselves. So please let this mailing list exist! And if (and only if) you are interested in a forum or someone asks you why not to use a forum, please refer to existing fora as e.g.: http://forums.makeopensource.com http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showforum=161 http://www.neo1973-germany.de (German) Please also note that fora become more valuable by heavy useage. Nikolaus signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Delay is getting worse...
I received this mail around 22:40 UTC+1. (the time I downloaded my pop mail).
I saw on the list archive someone asked for the headers, so here are they. I
haven't gotten that mail already though. I have checked my mail every half
hour this evening.
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It is 13:41 here in Mexico City, and the last
mail I got from the list arrived at 5:23, it is
from DR. H. Nikolaus Schaller. (Re: Why not use
forum)..
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Op Thursday 19 June 2008 20:48:33 schreef Kosa:
It is 13:41 here in Mexico City, and the last
mail I got from the list arrived at 5:23, it is
from DR. H. Nikolaus Schaller. (Re: Why not use
forum)
I check this box at leas once an hour and I can
tell this is not good. I've been in this list for
a while and I used to get the messages as soon as
posted. Pleas, do somehing about it. Even my own
mails get at least two hours after I send them.
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Re: SV: delay in recieving mails
I've also got the delay. And I've only got the delay for this list. All other mails sent from anywhere in the world get to my mailbox immediatly. Peter Op Monday 16 June 2008 00:32:24 schreef Jörgen Lidholm: I get them very fast, my guess is it's probably something with your service provider. Regards, Jörgen -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community- [EMAIL PROTECTED] För arne anka Skickat: den 15 juni 2008 23:27 Till: community@lists.openmoko.org Ämne: delay in recieving mails i get every mail more or less 2h after it is sent (polling the account ist set to 15min), though the archive (http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-June/date.html) displays them much earlier. is this intended? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bluetooth proximity
One can also measure the signal strength. I don't know how accurate that is. KDE has a tool that locks the desktop if you (and your bluetooth phone ofcourse) are to far away. Peter Op Monday 16 June 2008 15:59:45 schreef Alexey Feldgendler: On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:24:27 +0200, W. B. Kranendonk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wondered, can two bluetooth devices ping each other and find out their distance or relative speeds? Not that I know of, but two cooperating Freerunners can exchange information about their GPS coordinates and measured acceleration. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Acceleration in our pockets
] Asunto: Re: Acceleration in our pockets Para: community@lists.openmoko.org CC: Peter Nijs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fecha: jueves, 12 junio, 2008 2:37 Am Do 12. Juni 2008 schrieb Peter Nijs: Isn't the shared bus an advantage because now it can use DMA? Maybe that's why it is possible to hook up an sd-card to the glamo anyway. I see no other explanation why one would put an sd cardreader in a graphics ship. Please tell me if and why I'm wrong. Peter Good point. Would make perfect sense... /j___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __ Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] compiz and other unproductive candy
Op Thursday 12 June 2008 09:15:10 schreef Cedric Cellier: -[ Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 04:13:19PM +0100, Andy Powell ] And better yet for productivity, at least for a developper : do not use any workspace that require management. :-) Sorry, but that just doesn't make sense at all. If I'm doing web development I'll open multiple windows, a browser a couple of shells, if I'm doing c work I'll have a couple of shells, possibly glade running... these are all tools of the trade and compiz allows good clean management of those windows which can be spread over however many faces on your 'cube' you decide to have. Stop kidding yourself. All these things are not computing but plain entertainment. Ken Thompson, who once punched the first Unix in a month, is believed to have said that one don't need to see the state of a file when editing it (refering to full screen editors). I don't mean that no graphics is usefull, but there sure is something rotten in here. That is entertainment that drives UI, not usefullness (except in some degree what comes from Apple). Friendly, A little entertainment while working doesn't hurt me. Why do offices have pictures on the wall? They aren't necessary either, but they improve the atmosphere, and they improve the productivity. Why else would employers put these pictures there? And is OM wants to sell phones to other people than Ken Tompson and other geeks, they will need a nice UI. I've seen a statement somewhere on the OM site that they hoped GTA2 would be bought by our parents... These are people who would happily invest some electricity in the rendering of a UI. So I think it's in everyones interest that OM is standard supplied with a nice UI. That would make the OM profitable and only than they will be able to make GTA3 to GTAxx. Geeks who don't need/want the nice UI can always switch it off. That's the beauty of Linux. Just press CTRL-AT-F1 and you're rid of KDE/GNOME/Fluxbox... I don't think it would be any harder on the OM. Peter signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Acceleration in our pockets
Op Tuesday 10 June 2008 10:11:23 schreef Andy Green: Somebody in the thread at some point said: | I have seen it this morning in the planet.openmoko.com, | http://unadventure.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/accelerating-in-my-pocket/ | Andrzej balrog-kun Zaborowski was able to use mplayer with glamo | hardware acceleration Not all is lost to have some decent(not | excelent but barelly usable is enough) video playback, or Rasterman | has bad news again? ;) | | Of course I understand than use sd-card as storage will be not an | option(shared bus issue) but a nfs mounted volume or a streaming mp4 | source can be an option I guess Wah that was really good progress from Andrzej. I wouldn't give up on SD card as storage without trying it: if I understood what goes on then only the MP4 compressed stream is being sent to the Glamo by mplayer... I guess it means 100 - 200KBytes/sec which is way below the point we choke the Glamo memory bus. So we should be able to be pulling 200 - 300KBytes/sec (including audio) at the same from from SD. The wildcard is what the MPEG decoder unit in the Glamo is doing from the inside in terms of hogging the internal memory. -Andy Isn't the shared bus an advantage because now it can use DMA? Maybe that's why it is possible to hook up an sd-card to the glamo anyway. I see no other explanation why one would put an sd cardreader in a graphics ship. Please tell me if and why I'm wrong. Peter signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price
I pay my carrier €50 per year on avarage. And buying an OM will not increase that amount. Peter On Tuesday 10 June 2008 19:56:44 ian douglas write: Robert Taylor wrote: You pay through the nose for it because you HAVETO sign up for a 2 year contract minimum. Granted, the Apple and ATT partnership greatly subsidizes the cost, because of the $960 ($40/mo unlimited data plan for 2 yrs) to $2400 ($100/mo unlimited voice/data for 2 yrs) that you'd spend with ATT also helps cover the hidden cost of the hardware. And while I personally don't care much for the iPhone, you also have to sign up for a voice/data plan to use the Freerunner... You're still paying the $960-$2400 over two years, but there's not offset of cost of the hardware to the consumer. The monthly fees you pay that doesn't pay for the actual use of the cell network is 100% profit to ATT instead of going to Apple to help pay for the hardware. Same with TMobile, and I imagine any other carrier who offsets the price of their phones to lock you into a contract. Just my $0.02. What you're paying the extra money for, for the Freerunner, is the freedom of doing whatever you want with your phone. Sure, the iPhone has their SDK released, but all applications still have to go through Apple to operate on your phone -- I don't know if the SDK even allows you to build an application just for your own iPhone to test it. Also, their mobile OS is closed source -- you have no access to hack or tweak it to do *exactly* what you want it to. You can't change the applications that come with the phone, you can't do a lot of things. Sure, they have lots of eye candy and some solid-looking applications, but once we as a community port applications to the Freerunner hardware to run on OpenMoko, we'll be leaps and bounds ahead of the iPhone software. That, to me, is worth the extra purchase price. -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Free Runner price vs Meizu M8 price
U also have to know that running linux doesn't mean it's open. Some Telenet digiboxes (The onlything in Belgium that can receive the encrypted DBV-C) run Linux, but they are the most closed devices I've ever seen, and they also fail in what they are designed to do. I assume they where designed to receive DVB-C and not to empty peoples pockets, as how Telenet actually uses them. But that's another story. I don't know what the situation is with these iRivers and Meizus. A device doesn't get my attention by running Linux. It gets my attention by being open. Peter Op Wednesday 11 June 2008 00:58:01 schreef cdr: On Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 08:38:30PM +0200, Ortwin Regel wrote: There are cheaper contracts if you don't get a phone with them in Germany. No idea what the situation in the US is. (It's probably godawful... :-/) Personally, I use a prepaid SIM card so I pay no monthly fees at all. Much cheaper for me than any contract. So for me the price advantage over an iPhone is very real. although both vapor, iRiver and Meizu both have phones in the pipeline at least iRivers 'runs linux' as well. apple is nowhere near as cost competitive as either of them.. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)
Op Sunday 08 June 2008 14:25:35 schreef Carsten Haitzler: On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 09:02:03 +0200 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: but there is definitely a i want as insane a dpi as i can get group here. this is for sure. the question is - is it really the majority of users. :) Hm. You can't answer that before defining who the user is (choose between: me, you, this community, worldwide population)? Discussing the QVGA vs. VGA vs. new CPU question before answering the above question can't find an end... BTW: If we go to the level There appears to be a small 'i want as insane cheap display i can get' group here., this will become opinion bashing because it shows up different personal targets. Marketing science has invented the concept of target groups and plurality in product offerings to cover that problem. And the role of a Product Manager to balance and decide that (I have done such a job for 10 years). i am sure it has - but given that the target group is not well defined - i have yet to see a definition, nor see any research or statistics, nor anything else concrete - it is all conjecture. we could just not ever even ask you guys and you get what you are given. too bad. no input at all. i've opened up the floor for input - but i'm trying to dig specific things out of it - not things that smell ofi just want higher specs. or keeping up with the joneses. i want real use case scenarios that make real sense. :) I think I've got a real use case scenario. I don't have extraordinarily eye-sight. In fact, with two eyes combined I've got just under 10/10 with quite strong glasses. (Not good enough to become a commercial pilot.) I've don a little test with my current smartphone. It has a 2.8 inch qvga display. I've also searched for the smallest, comfortably readable printed text. I found it on the back of my first pda. It's the text tested to comply with. Than I've opened word mobile on my current smartphone and typed a little text. I made it as small as the printed text on the back of my oldest pda. The text in word wasn't readable anymore. It was reduced to a random bunch of black and white pixels. Also watching pictures on the qvga screen isn't such a pleasure, but I've never had trouble watching movies. Another reason why I'm happy watching qvga movies is because they are much smaller for your phone's memory. Conclusion: I'm certainly a big VGA proponent. Especially when browsing the internet and watching pictures. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
