Like new FreeRunner for sale
I bought my FR in a group sale. I have two never used headsets, laser stylus, the pouch, and a new extra battery from the Spares Pack. The FR is essentially new and still has the little screen plastic in place. When I pack it neatly back in its handsome box it'll be like new. I've never powered this unit up. I can take paypal or cash if you're in Boulder, Colorado. Make an offer if you're interested. Thanks, Vinc Duran ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Car Holder
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Dan Staley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Just wanted to share my experience with using the moko as a GPS device in the car. I found a car holder that works great on ebay and an external GPS antenna. I took a few pictures and posted them at the address below: http://www.bufferunderflow.com/?entry=7 Enjoy! -Dan Staley Very nice. I see you use the Invisible Shield and you installed yours a little more neatly than I did mine. Were you really going 6 MPH when you snapped the pictures?Vinc ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Should I update u-boot?
On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 10:07 PM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: u-boot is effectively your bios and therefore fwiu facilitates power management and the like. Certain features will benefit like suspend and booting from ext3. I'dd add: recharging a Freerunner with a dead battery... snip I have a big favor to ask. Could someone direct me exactly to a correct version of u-boot that can charge a Freerunner with a dead battery? An exact URL with a file name would mean a lot to me. :-) I checked http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner#Flashing_the_boot_loader_to_the_NAND, and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download#End_user, and http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update. Is this the file I need? http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/Om2008.8-gta02-20080903.uImage.bin Thanks, Vinc end-user ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtopia] Does qtopia desktop work with freerunner?
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 16:30, Kieran Fleming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lorn, Could you perhaps point us in the direction of this program? I haven't been able to find it myself, and I worry it's one of those Trolltech secrets :) I think it is a commercial plugin for Outlook (must search on Trolltech site...) I would pay a reasonable amount :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtopia] Does qtopia desktop work with freerunner?
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thomas Bertani wrote: 2008/9/4 dorje [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Qtopia Desktop is for Qtopia 2. and probably works with Opie. But not Qtopia 4 as on the Freerunner. Are you sure? and so what is the sync mode aviable in the qtopia fr menu?Yes. I am quite sure. The 'Synchronization' app in Qtopia 4 uses 'Sync Agent' to sync with Microsoft Outlook. It is not compatible with Qtopia Desktop from Qtopia 2. http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/qtopiadesktop/over-desktop-synchronization-1.html -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Hi Lorn, Very cool. I'm going to try syncing with Outlook. Can you direct me to an article/faq/thread that is intended for end users? I'm using 4.3.3-snapshot 2008/9/2 on my FreeRunner. I'm using Vista with Outlook 2007. I'd happily switch to an older version of Outlook if I had to. Thanks for your time, Vinc ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia WIFI WPA
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Hello, I must be blind but I can't find a GUI way to setup the Wifi with Latest QTopia-4.3.2. Am I really blind or there is none? Abdel. Hi Abdel, I'm using 4.3.2 2008/8/28 from qtopia.net on my FreeRunner. I have a couple of wireless networks I'd like to use. The one that's easiest is completely open and uses MAC addresses for authentication. To connect to that I press white Q in the green box, that takes me to Main Menu. In the lower left is crossed screw driver and double open wrench, or Settings. I scroll down about one screen to Internet. In Internet I choose Options, then New, then Wireless LAN, On this open LAN there's only the name of the connection to set. If I read the Help correctly it's best (for me) to also choose Managed and Always Online. When I get back to Internet it's connecting. I then go to Applications and Terminal and I can ping a public server by name and I'm on the Internet. Once there I can't do anything. :-) I don't have a browser or anything and the Package Manager crashes on me as it's connecting to Qtopia.net but that's for another email or help request. I have had no success using this process to connect to a WEP network. Haven't tried WPA yet. Hope that helps, V ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Flashing Om2008.8 rootfs under Windows is *LONG*
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You haven't even tried backing it up. Try and see how long *that* takes. They say it is much, much better with the Linux port of DFU-util (or rather, something is very very wrong with the Windows port). snip I use Vista on my day-to-day working computer. With the FreeRunner it's faster to boot to an Ubuntu live CD and work on the FreeRunner and reboot in Vista for my regular work. I can flash the device a couple of times and experiment with QTopia and OM 2008.8 in the time is would take me to just flash the rootfs for either of those. I think the dfu for windows would benefit from some work. I tried running Ubunto in a VMWare virtual machine but couldn't get a good connection to the FreeRunner. V ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fitting full-body InvisibleShield - order of application?
I didn't place the original post but I was thinking I should. It took a long time for me to get the full body protection on. Here's my recommendation. - Take the battery out - Reassemble the unit - Install all side strips - Install the back - Install the front - Install the screen - Let it dry and harden overnight and don't touch it all after the pieces are on right! A couple of my pieces are a little funny. I think I slid the unit slightly placing it on a table to dry. Vinc On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Eildert Groeneveld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 12 August 2008, Stroller wrote: Hi there, I'm sure someone posted a week or two ago a suggestion to do certain sections first when fitting the full-body InvisibleShield, because they said it's easier that way. I had to repeatedly hard reset the FR by ripping out the battery. How do you handle that with the full body IS? greetings E ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Qtopia-Images fixes suspend problem nearly complete!
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Yaroslav Halchenko site-openmoko.org@ onerussian.com wrote: well -- correct me if I am wrong, but the irony of the situation is that suspend/wakeup is handled by the kernel, and qtopia images use stock kernel from OM. Thus whatever suspend/resume achievements you see - they are solely due to OM developers. snip For reference, the Qtopia 4.32-080808 uses the kernel named uImage-2.6.24+git30+436204281bcd1fe5999ad6589ea7ab1b5360c352-r2-om-gta02.bin Ok, so I don't know what that really long name means or who wrote it . :-) No one confirmed Yaroslav or corrected him either so this is the kernel. Vinc ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 6:43 AM, Cédric DUFOUIL [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi community, I ordered an InvibleShield protection at Zagg.com for my freerunner the 18th of july and have been charged on my credit card but have no news about my order (despite the fact that I sent them emails !!) I would like to know if any of you had troubles ordering on this web site. Did you receive your order ? Thanks for your testimony (PS : Sorry if my email is not well formed, I'm not an English speaker) Mine came. Not as promptly as I would have liked but they showed up and worked fine. I suspect they're just really busy. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Warranty after fix for GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interferenceissue
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 5:28 PM, Andreas Bogk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I'm not a mathematician, but I think I have sufficiently understood Kalman filters and dead reckoning. A little known trick is to use ordinary integration with the strap-down equation given the accelerometer and gyro input, and have the Kalman filter model the error terms instead of the physical model state space. This way, you only have to update the Kalman filter every time you get a GPS fix, not every time you get a measurement from the other sensors. But... what are our chances GTA03 will have a 3D gyro? Andreas Andreas, Could the accelerometers be substituted for a 3d gyro? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Warranty after fix for GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue
One last thing, the voltage scaling and clock rate reduction patches aren't in the kernel you used, they should be around in tomorrow's packages: if you have 600 sec to spare it would be interesting to see if they made any change :-) - -Andy Hi Andy, To get that kernel you reference would I go to http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/ then to the latest date (like tomorrow) and look for uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin? Just want to make sure I have this right. Thanks ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WIKI still a POS
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 8:20 AM, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A phone that NEEDS documentation is a POS. In my mind, the Neo won't be ready for end-users unless I can give it to one of my co-workers and they can figure almost everything out without documentation. -Steven If you were to flash it with QTopia it would very nearly qualify. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WIKI still a POS
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 8:48 AM, Luke Scharf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Then your co-workers should get iPhones! I thought OpenMoko was for those of us who would embrace a machine with a learning-curve for extra capability. Probably the same crowd who uses Linux on the desktop. snip I read some time ago on one of the the Openmoko sites that OM/FICA needs or wants to sell 10 millions Neo's in 2008. I wanted to include a link for reference but can't find one. I think my point that they need to sell a lot of phones is still valid. I'm not flaming anyone. Just pointing out my opinion that just selling to nerds would be a good way to kill a device that needs, IMO, large numbers to be sustainable. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WIKI still a POS
You should know it's improved significantly over the last couple weeks. To me it seems the Getting Started page in particular has been much improved. (That's where I've spent most of my time.) On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 7:11 AM, Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The OM Wiki is still a prime example of 'How not to do a Wiki. a few easy example on the main page. 1.) On the main page is a link for Test cases, Why is this on the main page? Its useless to 90% of the users and should be under Development. 2.) There is a Software link that leads you the Developer Guide??? WTF? 3.) There is a Hardware link and the 1973 FR links. Why? Both the 1973 Fr pages have their respective hardware links on their pages. Its a classic misdirection. It looks like Openmoko wants the Neo to fail, because if the main source for information on how to operate the phone is this WIki, its doomed. Isn't there supposed to be some new Wiki Editor force around that was going to fix things? Scott ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reply above Quotation
I'll see you in the funny farm. The rooms next to me all seem to be available. :-) On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 10:05 AM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the day i trust google with anything slighly looking as personal data i am ready to go to the funny farm. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tangogps pre-cache?
Hi Jeff, I'd like to put the maps on the SD card. Is there a sensible path on the SD card I should use? Vinc On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 11:45 AM, Jeff Tickle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:35:13 -0700 Steven Kurylo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The tango gps documentation says Additionally you can conveniently pre-cache areas. Can anyone tell me how to do this? I can scroll around and have those tiles cached for off line use, but a pre-cache would be great. Downloading all the OSM tiles and all the zoom levels for a 20km radios would be excellent. You can zoom out to encompass the area you want to download maps for. Then, give the map a single tap. From the context menu, select 'map download'. You can pick how many zoom levels in it should go. Make sure to go to the Config tab and change the 'Cache Dir', because it puts them in /tmp by default! -Jeff -- Jeff Tickle - 828-262-7123 Operations and Systems Analyst Electronic Student Services Appalachian State University http://ess.appstate.edu http://phpwebsite.appstate.edu ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Tangogps pre-cache?
Thanks everyone. (Not trying to spam the list but being polite and acknowledging I got good answers.) On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Stefan Fröbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Vinc, I'd like to put the maps on the SD card. Is there a sensible path on the SD card I should use? Use whatever you like - all a matter of personal preference! I used /media/mmcblk0p4/Maps/OSM as I have several partitions and most space on the 4th, and /Maps/OSM was already typed in so I saved me that... You might also want to add a shorter symlink but essentially that path is entered once and never changed afterwards. Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM Antenna Connector part of Closed System?
Hi Scott! The right person just needs to look in the lower right corner of http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/c/c7/Gta01b_v3_case_top_open_pcb_lifted.jpg and say oh, that's a MHF II or whatever. I looked around with google and I bet it's going to turn out to be something like this http://www.alphamicro.net/images/Taoglas/Ipex_types_image_750px.gif, which I found here http://www.alphamicro.net/components/product~line~48~id~481.asp. I bet it's either SMA, SMB, SMC, BNC, FME, TNC, MCX, or MMCX :-) Been looking for your connector on google instead of working. I hope you find what you need. Any day now. Vinc On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Scott Derrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can find the (don't say it) IPhone connection specs on the apple site! I can find any Motorola phone connections specs on the Motorola site. But not OpenMoko. Doesn't anybody at OpenMoko know what the internal GSM antenna connector is? And why wouldn't something as basic as a connector list be on the WIKI? Scott ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reason for GPS problems found! / more patches
Hi Andy, Can you do your voodoo so that this will install from opkg upgrade? Thanks, Vinc Duran user On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 6:01 AM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | So the fact you were OK at drive level 0 should mean are able to use | SD | card how you like without problems from SD_CLK to GPS any more. | | | If at all possible, can someone who understands this explain it so we | developers can add the hack/patch to our running Freerunners and | continue development unimpeded by this issue any longer? Or do we | just have to wait until the next image update or something? I will change the default drive strength to 0 today, tomorrow's kernel should just work. The SD Card we ship anyway seems to work fine like that. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiFy/0ACgkQOjLpvpq7dMrCLQCfU0laYPbSmWELTc0JDkuekmNj T6wAoIBoNn+lpWWYD16KMYC9f3YevB/U =llOW -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Hot Pocket
Hi, My FR was getting *very *hot while trying to get a gps fix and also pretty warm just on in my shirt pocket. While scanning for gps it got hot enough that I put it right back down when I picked it up. I'd left if flat on a table. I think the GSM and Bluetooth were on as well as the GPS. I didn't have access to anything to measure the temperature but it was hot enough I was concerned I'd shortened the life of the unit. The shirt pocket warmth was just warm. Warmer than room temperature. Wasn't charging, just waiting for calls. It hasn't happened again lately. I don't know if the opkg upgrade fixed something. Vinc On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 8:27 AM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Fr 18. Juli 2008 schrieb shawn sullivan: Does anyone else's FR run really warm? I had mine in my pocket last night for a few hours and my leg got really toasty!! . . .shawn So let's think about it: we have ~3.8V of battery voltage, and 1.2Ah. Gives me a 4.5Wh of energy in battery. Let's assume we burn all of this in a few hours (maybe 4.5h), we get a continuous power of 1W. H... Maybe just noticeable for a sensitive individual, but sure not enough for toasty. Probably FR is hot stuff anyway, so that's what you're feeling? ;-) cheers jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Howto hide keyboard (Was: Re: minimo (browser on freerunner))
Hi Arne, Everyone, I'm having a hard time implementing what's described here. This is from my terminal: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# matchbox-panel-2 --start-applets systray,startup --end-applets ** (matchbox-panel-2:1878): WARNING **: Missing argument for --end-applets I tried entering it a couple of different ways. All one very long line, Two separate commands. If I can get a hand with this I'll update the Gettting Started page right under the instructions for minimo. Thanks, Vinc (I'm using a GTA2, 2007.2 from the factory, I've run opkg update and opkg upgrade.) On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 11:11 AM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: some hours ago someone already posted how to add the keyboard toggle: matchbox-panel-2 --start-applets systray,startup \ --end-applets openmoko-panel-clock,keyboard,openmoko-panel-battery,openmoko-panel-gsm,openmoko-panel-gps,openmoko-panel-usb,openmoko-p anel-bt,openmoko-panel-memory,openmoko-panel-wifi --titlebar http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/021296.html after rebooting or restarting X in the upper right corner there's a keyboard icon ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any update on Windows connectivity yet?
I used SunOS when it was time for that. And Novell. And Mac. Lately, I do mostly work in windows. :-( I do perform unauthorized upgrades on tivo's though. :-) I have a mythtv that is so close to being perfect I can smell it. I'm faster at a command prompt than with a mouse. I love to annoy my mac friends by helping them with their mac and never touching the mouse. Ah, small victories. Most of my company's business does involve windows and we do use Exchange and Outlook for mail. If I have to support it everyday it's easier if I use it everyday. Of course by that logic I should have a darn iphone too. I'm really looking forward to making iphone users wish they had an openmoko! It could be a while. I sure hope I haven't made a mistake wanting to be an openmoko *user*. I'm not a developer and I hope to get work done (and have fun) with my new toy! V (stuck in windoze-ville) On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Scott Derrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vinc, Don't tell me your a Windoze Weeniee! Say it isn't so! hehe!! Scott Vinc Duran wrote: I'm interested too. I'd be willing to help test windows apps or tools for openmoko. Vinc On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 2:32 PM, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of my bulk order buyers has prompted a question about whether there have been any advances with connecting a Freerunner to a Windows PC? Last I tried mine on an XP laptop, it detected a device but wanted drivers to communicate. Couldn't find anything relevant on a search at openmoko.markmail.org http://openmoko.markmail.org -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. George Bernard Shaw, Liberty ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: In the press
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:17 PM, Curtis Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:47:51 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Jay Vaughan wrote: This stood out for me The tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation at the OpenMoko wiki... Is this an accurate evaluation of the wiki ? If so, what can we do to fix it up, how do we identify old content and schedule it for updating? I think, personally, its time for a 3rd-party site not related to OpenMoko to pick up the slack here. So much stuff happens too quickly for people who /should/ be updating the wiki to feel like its productive to do so .. What I would like to see is something like an mokofanboix.org website come up that has the following: - Daily blog news akin to the good ol' slashdot, of news from the openmoko scene, gleaned from careful inspection of the mailing lists, of IRC, of the codebase, of code delta's, etc. - Public free Repository of all the latest and greatest 'cool apps' found for OpenMoko - Public forum for discussion of the news. This is, of course, sorta what we've got with things like planet.openmoko.org (which I check daily), combined with the Scaredycat repo's and other such things, but .. for newcomers .. I don't think any of this is as easily approachable as it would be if it were all put under a single umbrella that is a bit more of an 'openmoko pop culture' site than what we've got right now .. Jay These are all great ideas and would be very helpful for us. We are a small company. And really try to focus all we can on our products. Community help to make these more approachable is something that would make us all very grateful. Let me know if there is anything specific you think we (Openmoko) could do to help get this all started. -Sean At this point it seems to me there are 2 approaches: 1) The preferred would be to develop the wiki such that members can set it up themselves. 2) Have a 3rd-party site per Jay's suggestion that accomplishes that. I have the resources to set up such a site, but I definitely do not want to do anything counter-productive. I would really like to see OM do what they can as I prefer a one-stop solution as opposed to having to visit numerous sites to find solutions. As an example, I have a Nokia N770, and I found the maemo.org site rather well organized for finding solutions, as well as third-party apps. I'm only mentioning it as a possible guide. Respectfully, Curtis Vaughan (no relation to Jay - I don't think) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community As a *user* I'd really like it if there were always an easy to find place for what is known to work. It would be better for my piece of mind if it were something OM. V ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Information about mailinglist merge
I think this is a good move. On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/14/08 Maximilian Bauer wrote: the mailinglist device-owners will change its name to [EMAIL PROTECTED] from this point on we will deactivate [EMAIL PROTECTED] and .com. please use the new list instead. Let me add a bit more here...Tony Tu will be moderating this support list and helping to organizing a knowledge base out of everyone's questions / support issues. He will explain more shortly... Please try your best to keep this list on topic. It's for support for existing device owners. Not questions about how the device or software functions. Hopefully this will help us react faster to one another. Thanks! -Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SanDisk micro SDHC 8GB card under testing
Wow. Thanks to everyone for testing and posting your results! On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 12:38 AM, André Gaul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I've got my 8 GB SanDisk microSD SDHC and my mass-production Freerunner yesterday. Works like a charm (damn, I didn't know these cards are that small! ;) ). I'll do some benchmarks and post them to the list ASAP. If you want me to do some special test runs, just let me know! ciao, André ian douglas schrieb: Hey all, Got my 8GB SanDisk 8GB micro SDHC card [1] in a few minutes ago, popped it into my GTA02v5 (beta tester model) Freerunner and running a few tests on it. So far, so good. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# mount | grep media /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/card type vfat (rw,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# df -h | grep media /dev/mmcblk0p17.6G 32.0k 7.6G 0% /media/card If anything weird comes up in my testing, I'll let everyone know. -id [1] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820171320 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: In the press
I think it's accurate. On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 10:41 PM, Matt Joyce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found this yesterday, thought it was quite an ok article. http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/open-moko-software.ars This stood out for me *The tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation at the OpenMoko wiki*... Is this an accurate evaluation of the wiki ? If so, what can we do to fix it up, how do we identify old content and schedule it for updating? Matt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Found it.(GSM antenna port)
Wow. Perfect then. You might have to find the alternative back but that should be possible. My coworker says, burn a little hole in the back you have with a hot soldering iron. He likes those straightforward hardware mods. I'd be looking for a different back myself. :-) On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Scott Derrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vinc, I found a description of disassembling the 1973 that describes where the GSM antenna connector is. They actually mention an alternative case that provides access to it. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Disassembling_Neo1973 Here's the picture of the component side http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gta01b_v3_case_top_open_pcb_lifted.jpg looking at the lower right corner, you can see a hole through the board with the ground plane copper around it. At 11 o'clock is a connector with a white square base facing away from the board. Thats it. Looking at the FreeRunner board the connector is in the same place. Scott -- - Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add within the limits of the law, because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual. Thomas Jefferson ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB keyboard (was Re: Posible Bluetooth Keyboard)
That ASUS model seems to come with a mini USB already. No adapters. On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Erland Lewin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I googled and found this: http://pc.pcconnection.com/1/1/44869-asus-computer-international-r2h-slim-usb-2-0-foldable-keyboard-04gngv1kus00.html A foldable, (but not flexible) keyboard. I don't know anything more about it, but I like the idea better than the rollable membrane keyboards. Here's another one: http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=PA875U01X-DTcat=KYB /Erland 2008/7/8 Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/7/8 Francesco Cat [EMAIL PROTECTED]: are you sure you are looking for something like that? The name is thumbpad keyboard and I think it is unusable if you are thinking about writing using all the fingers of your hands. i'm not sure to be honest - i want to look at a few options. i think a thumbpad would be faster than a touchscreen for long e-mails, plus it would give tactile feedback, which i find helps no end. a full kb would be best, but not something i can carry round easily. this caught my eye as well, from the same site: http://linitx.com/viewproduct.php?prodid=10838 only 218mm x 103mm Or what about a flexible one? like http://www.usbgeek.com/prod_detail.php?prod_id=0194 or this: it seems quite crazy to me :P http://www.hackerstickers.com/products/frogpad-mini-keyboard-usb.shtml the frogpad looks great, but no way i can justify $100+ on it 2008/7/8 Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/7/5 Diego Fdez. Durán [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi all! At the moment my FR is travelling to me, so I'm looking for a good portable bluetooth keyboard. What do you think about BT KB? what about Nokia SU-8W? on a similar note, i'm looking for an ultra-small USB keyboard (there are various reasons why I don't like bluetooth). any recommendations? someone suggested this a few weeks back, is there anything else similar/better out there? http://linitx.com/viewproduct.php?prodid=10779 thanks ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: anyone know when the phones are actually shipping within the US?
I got a nice mail from openmoko: Our warehouse in Fremont, CA will be back to work on Monday (7/7) and start shipping process. Your order number should be ready to ship by Tuesday. Thanks. My order number is 1562. If I read a lot into the email I might conclude order counts. I asked about tracking numbers too but no word on that. V On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 11:44 PM, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, Does anyone know when the phones are shipping in the US? One source I've read say they'll ship tomorrow, Monday July 7th, but I'm curious if they're shipping in the order they were bought? Will we get a follow-up Email with a shipping/tracking number? I'm trying to schedule a meet-and-geek for the Los Angeles group that coordinated for a bulk purchase, but without any firm expectation of when the phones will be in, it's hard to tell everyone when to show up to get their phones. Thanks, Ian Douglas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freerunner shipment confirmation?
Hi Jayesh, I ordered a ten pack yesterday and received a confirmation email from [EMAIL PROTECTED] about 90 minutes later. On 7/4/08, Jayesh Salvi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I bought freerunner few hours ago from the online shop. The transaction went through after at least 3 different redirections for payment processing. AFAIR, in step 1 they took my shipping information; in step 2 they directed me to some Taiwanese site for credit card information; and I believe the 3rd step was my credit card specific which did some kind of verification for my Chase Visa credit card. At the end of 3rd step I got some error and couldn't proceed or go back from there. I however received an email confirmation for that 3rd step from Visa. What concerns me is, I did not get any confirmation email that OpenMoko has received my order successfully. I know the shipment hasn't started yet and the shipment notification may come sometime later. But should I be getting any confirmation/receipt of transaction from OpenMoko or from the third party site that processed my order? It has been couple of hours now. Has anyone else received confirmation/receipt by email while placing the order (for single unit)? Thanks, Jayesh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth Headset compatible to Freerunner?
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 7:11 AM, kenneth marken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 01 July 2008 07:09:06 Vinc Duran wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Kyle Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 30 June 2008 14:10:23 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys, I've a questition and I hope that someone could help me: I'm searching for a bluetooth headset with 2 ears and 1 mic that I can connect to the Freerunner, so I can hear music...and if a call comes in, I press a button (at the headset or at the neo, that doesn't matter) and then I can hear the other person over the headset and speak with him/her over the mic of the headset. Is that possible? Where can I find such headsets? With kindly regards Steffen I use the SE HBH-DS980 ( http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/accessories/overview/hbh-ds980?cc= gblc=en ) and it's fantastic. Awesome sound, great clarity, much shinyness, and only wires from the bluetooth unit to the ears. It uses A2DP, does magic address book stuff, and will quietly interrupt music to take a call. I'm praying that the FreeRunner supports A2DP so I can use the headset as I'm used to :-) Cheers Kyle -- Kyle Gordon - 2M1DIQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lodge.glasgownet.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Magic address book stuff? Does that mean it announces the calling party? I love my JawBone http://www.jawbone.com but I have to look at my phone to see who's calling. i think its as sonyerricson only feature or something. its the same thing they use on their watches: http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/accessories/overview/mbw-150classicedition?cc=gblc=en where if its paired up with a recent sonyericsson phone, it can display the number (or name if stored in the phones contacts) of whoever is calling. i dont recall this being part of the official bluetooth spec at any point... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Too cool. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth Headset compatible to Freerunner?
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Kyle Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 30 June 2008 14:10:23 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys, I've a questition and I hope that someone could help me: I'm searching for a bluetooth headset with 2 ears and 1 mic that I can connect to the Freerunner, so I can hear music...and if a call comes in, I press a button (at the headset or at the neo, that doesn't matter) and then I can hear the other person over the headset and speak with him/her over the mic of the headset. Is that possible? Where can I find such headsets? With kindly regards Steffen I use the SE HBH-DS980 ( http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/accessories/overview/hbh-ds980?cc=gblc=en ) and it's fantastic. Awesome sound, great clarity, much shinyness, and only wires from the bluetooth unit to the ears. It uses A2DP, does magic address book stuff, and will quietly interrupt music to take a call. I'm praying that the FreeRunner supports A2DP so I can use the headset as I'm used to :-) Cheers Kyle -- Kyle Gordon - 2M1DIQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lodge.glasgownet.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Magic address book stuff? Does that mean it announces the calling party? I love my JawBone http://www.jawbone.com but I have to look at my phone to see who's calling. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Slashdot post but no web store?
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Crane, Matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/06/25/1751228from=rss nerdyH writes Openmoko has begun shipping its Linux-based, open source Neo Freerunner phone to five newly announced distributors, in Germany, France, and India, says the company. The Neo Freerunner features an open hardware design, and a Linux-based operating system that users are free to modify. The project originally hoped to produce a mass-market offering last October. The $400 Freerunner will remain available direct, online, too. A 2.5G GPRS/GSM phone like the original iPhone, it boasts a 500MHz processor, WiFi, 3D accelerometers, a 4.3-inch VGA touchscreen, Bluetooth, and built-in GPS. Of course, they link to a dead page.. http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS9978560959.html I love all the comments from people who've bought iPhones incensed at suggestions that it's any sort of superior device. Matt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I've been checking https://direct.openmoko.com/ every couple hours which hasn't changed in some time. I see that http://openmoko.com/store.html tells a different story and I may have to check it quite often now too.(Ok, not really every couple hours but it seems like it some times) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
upgrade memory card
Hello, I have a question about the miniSD card in the FreeRunner. If I want to install a larger card at some point is it any easier to already have the new card in hand before I even turn on the FR and just install it when I get the FR? I'm wondering if the card comes blank or does it have important stuff on it already when the FR arrives. Also wondering if when I turn on the device will it start using the card in a big way by itself? I'd like to avoid having to ask for help after breaking the phone for instance by yanking out the card after the OS puts something important there. I checked the wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards for ideas on what larger cards might work. I'm hoping those folks who have their hands on FR's and have experimented with other cards will keep the list updated. The last update to that page was in May. Thanks, Vinc ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Vote! Zimbra Mobile on the Openmoko
Joseph, My company uses Exchange servers. Is Zimbra a client that would work with existing Exchange infrastructure or does it replace the Exchange? Thanks, V On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Joseph Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wish there was a way to vote on this URL of yours without having to subscribe to the forum though -- I don't want to sign up just to cast a single vote. It's a bit of a pain, but I'm convinced it will be worth it. I *really* want Openmoko to be at the top. We were talking about Zimbra + Openmoko just last week with Michael Shiloh (in real life and everything) and I finally got round to looking into it today. I really think it would be an awesome launch day (or just about) application. It's going to sound cheesey, but don't vote just because I want my work emails to be really nice, vote for the good of Openmoko! People that don't want to sign up to vote could always comment on my blog. I'm going to open a support ticket on this issue and if there's a space where a lot of people have commented it's going to look better. Cheers, Joseph 2008/6/23 ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I personally use Plaxo, which syncs up Outlook, Thunderbird, Hotmail, GMail, Yahoo, my IM contact lists, all into one database, sorts out duplicates, and also sends a list to my Samsung phone via an installed app. After some digging, the Plaxo Plus mobile app is just based on Funambol, which has also been discussed on the mailing list, and wouldn't require a java stack to operate. Wish there was a way to vote on this URL of yours without having to subscribe to the forum though -- I don't want to sign up just to cast a single vote. -id andylockran wrote: Definately a +1 for me. I work in a Zimbra-centric organisation and know how good this software is. A client on my neo would be absolutely fantastic, and definately one to win over people still messing with Outlook, Exchange and Blackberries. Regards, Andy Joseph Reeves wrote: Dear all, I'd like to bring this poll to your attention: http://www.zimbra.com/forums/zimbrame-j2me-client/12642-vote-phones-zimbra-j2me-client.html For those that don't know, Zimbra is an awesome email/collaboration suite, they're asking for people to vote on the next mobile platform that their client will be released on. Zimbra on a FreeRunner would be a Blackberry killer. I've put up a short blog post here: http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/20080623 Thanks, Joseph ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: upgrade memory card
Wow. Very cool information. Thank you all. On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Mikko Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ti, 2008-06-24 kello 17:02 -0400, Nicholas Dube kirjoitti: Will the FR be able to support 16GB SDHC microSD cards? If it supports SDHC (and I hear it does) it supports at least up to 32GB cards. That is an artificial limit in the spec, by the way, so controllers _may_ be able to be coaxed into doing higher by driver software if the spec will be revised in a straightforward manner in the future (that is, through the removal of said limit). (Personally I've a 8GB Sandisk in my 1973, but of course the card controller is different in the FR.) -- Mikko Rauhala - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - URL:http://www.iki.fi/mjr/ Transhumanist - WTA member - URL:http://www.transhumanism.org/ Singularitarian - SIAI supporter - URL:http://www.singinst.org/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ATT SIM problems
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Daniel Dadap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry if this question has been asked before, but I have noticed that there seem to be issues with ATT SIM cards and the Neo1973. (http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=666) Have they been resolved in the FreeRunner? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community It looks like there's more information on this bug here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates, scroll down to Delivery of a GSM firmware update for the 3G SIM bug. From this I'd think [EMAIL PROTECTED] would know more. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: warranty for 10 pack purchases
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 8:02 PM, Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've seen this question come up a couple of times on the list, but it's not been answered fully: if we buy a 10-pack of freerunners, i assume they will come with a warranty. how do we as individuals deal with warranty returns? will there be 10 receipts in the box, or one? having one makes things very difficult - it means whoever has the receipt then has to pass it on to anyone who has a problem with their phone. and i'm sure the organiser of each group purchase doesn't want to be held liable just because his name's on the delivery slip or will openmoko keep a record of serial numbers and purchase dates, so receipts aren't necessary to confirm when they were bought? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community And is the warranty really only 28 days as in this faq? http://gettingstartedopenmoko.wordpress.com/2007/12/31/faq-frequently-asked-questions/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use forum?
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 7:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 13 June 2008 00:55:34 arne anka wrote: No, thanks. If I have to check a particular webpage, or even many of them, periodically to see if someone wrote something new, I'll give up quickly. well, i've seen a forum recently which propagates new entries through rss feeds. thus, it works pretty much like a mailing list -- but. of course you still have to log in to post a reply/new message ... Still this is not the same as you need to start an rss program to trace the rss whereas my email is always open. Also i do not know if rss has thread processing ? CU W ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I have a love/hate relationship with gmail and lists. I like that I don't have to keep all the messages on my own machine but can still search quickly. I really like the - Show quoted text - feature! I wish I could configure it for this list to put my reply at the bottom for the bottom readers. And it's getting very annoying that gmail *used* to keep conversations neat but has recently lost its tiny little mind and I now have lots of seperate conversations that should all be fewer. So, when we all have our cool FreeRunners do you think we'll still be wasting time discussing the merits of things that aren't really a big deal? :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SIM cards for Freerunner (was Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price)
The local t-mobile store occasionally has a no extra charge (free I suppose) quad band world phone from Motorola. I was thinking of getting that as a spare. On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Joe Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ian douglas writes: Joe Pfeiffer wrote: when I went to get a sim card to use in my moko, I was unable to find one without getting a subsidized phone to go with it. TMobile did this for me in about 15 minutes at one of their stores, and I didn't even have my Neo with me at the time. I simply told them I had an unlocked international GSM-capable phone and I just needed a SIM card for it. Did you get a lower price on your contract than you would have with a phone? Yes, they would have let me pay for a subsidized phone without giving me the phone... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SIM cards for Freerunner (was Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price)
News Flash! The US doesn't always make sense. I'm a United Statesian. I've lived around and worked with Europeans for years and I'm always agreeing that what we have doesn't seem sensible or doesn't appear thought out. It's very screwy. It just is. :-) On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Joe Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stroller writes: On 11 Jun 2008, at 15:44, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Did you get a lower price on your contract than you would have with a phone? Yes, they would have let me pay for a subsidized phone without giving me the phone... Where the heck are you? To the British it is quite *obvious* that a contract without a phone is cheaper. US. To me, it's quite obvious that a contract without a phone *should* be cheaper, but that's a long way from is (it actually worked out for the best, since I've had a working phne all these months as a result). The most obvious example of this is that one can choose how much to pay up front - on can choose the phone for free with one set of tariffs, or pay £75 on purchase and get the same number of minutes for £10 a month less (on an 18-month contract, for example). One can also get much cheaper contracts when no phone purchase is involved. I haven't seen anything like that here. The plan costs what it costs; you can pay varying amounts up front for different phones. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shipping details
Heterogeneous 10 packs? Do you know yet if I can buy 9 US phones and 1 EU phone in a single 10 pack? Thanks, Vinc On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 6:33 AM, Joachim Steiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simon Matthews wrote: What courier companies/the postal service and shipping options (express versus normal etc) will you be using to ship the phones (only UPS or others as well?) ups. Will you be offering the option of having the shipments insured? Do you know how much the insurance will cost. I can't find much information on the UPS web site on insurance. dunno, but i guess they are. What payment options will you have. visa, master, jcb or so.. no amex, no paypal atleast thats what i know and whats prepared. -- Joachim Steiger Openmoko Central Services ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03 case should incorporate stylus holder
*In theory*, a manufacturer could make replacement, er... *upgrade*, cases, built to take some off the shelf stylus such as those found in some other device, like a Palm for instance. On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 5:32 PM, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see the whole 'stylus holder' as a simple manufacturing choice. Just like we choose the Freerunner based on 850/1800/1900 frequencies or 900/1800/1900 frequencies, having a choice of I want a case with a stylus holder or not, could be a simple case choice when ordering. So design a case with and without a stylus holder, and away you go. You don't want it, don't order it. You want it, you'd have the option to request it. Just my $0.02. -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Boulder Colorado group sale
Hello, If you're in the Boulder, Colorado area consider joining our group. We're up to five buyers. We may join forces with Tuscon, AZ. Please contact me or add your name to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales#Boulder. I can make the purchase and do local delivery. Vinc ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What will be shipped with FreeRunner?
And should we really expect those expensive looking laser styli? Styluses... On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Alexander Frøyseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello What is going to be shipped with the FreeRunner, in single and 10 packs Are the headset in the box? Alexander Frøyseth ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Private data protection.
This is more what I was thinking. Most folks have a trusted system, some where with remote access. At work, a friends', perhaps someplace akin to google docs. You find a computer and send your phone the wipe code. Or the lock up tight and phone home code, or even the delete the private stuff, act like a new phone and keep sending me your location code. On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Ilja O. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Philippe Guillebert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ilja O. wrote: Who says that this password will be created by human? Program should generate it automatically, shows it to user, user writes (or prints) it and saves in piggy bank hoping he will not need it at all. This function will be used so rare that there is not point in creating rememberable passwords. Hi, And then, when he doesn't have the neo anymore, he have to find where the he put the code, run to a friend's with the piece of paper, hey can I send an SMS ?, copy 160 random characters from a piece of paper with a crappy input method on the friend's phone and hope he didn't misspell a single bit of it or the whole process would be useless. Yeah, sounds very doable... You can store this in file. Or we append simple hash to key itself. Remembering one more password is much worse (it becomes even worser when you remember that this password will be used (at most) only one time. Who will be able to remember such password for an event with such probability?). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Private data protection.
I like the stolen phone sms message. On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 3:13 AM, Ilja O. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Christoph Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ilja O. wrote: 1) Auth using PIN number (this requires encrypted image presence in phone file system by it's boot time end -- not reallyl convenient if SD card is used). IMO encrypting Data with the PIN Number is not such a good thing, because the possibilities of different keys are definately not high (max 8 digits, only numbers). A better solution would be to save the PIN on the encrypted storage and automatically read it. I don't see point in making secure protection from somebody that has stolen phone to obtain your data, since anything that phones' CPU will be able to encrypt/decrypt without draining battery much faster than it should be. I'm telling about making protection from phone thief, that simply has stolen your phone and is now trying to power it up and obtain any easily accessible plain data. And for this aim almost any encryption will do. To protect yourself from data thiefs the best way, imho, would be to program a daemon that wipes out all phone memory when phone receives an SMS message with predefined contents. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Private data protection.
You could make it longer too. I mean you could require receiving multiple sms's. It could be a very long key. On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Ilja O. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Ian Darwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vinc Duran wrote: I like the stolen phone sms message. Me too. When can I start erasing the phones of people I don't like? :-) You'll have to try hard to guess 120 random alphanumeric (at least) characters. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Private data protection.
I have a friend who lost his iPhone and was very upset that ATT couldn't remotely wipe it for him... (Not that they ever said they could). On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Ilja O. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Ian Darwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vinc Duran wrote: I like the stolen phone sms message. Me too. When can I start erasing the phones of people I don't like? :-) You'll have to try hard to guess 120 random alphanumeric (at least) characters. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Car Mode Application...
I'm not completely certain but I don't think TangoGPS does routing. I think Navit was written with cars in mind. TangoGPS will keep track of your friends. On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Kosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That looks nice, but what about the TangoGPS? Marcus? It's been a while since we last heard of it on the list, Are you still working on it? Cheers and happy waiting. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - On 27/05/2008, at 01:24 p.m., Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: ramsesoriginal wrote: Sounds all pretty intresting. The only problem I see is that 'till now we only have a location, but not a navigation app (even if that shouldn't be a probelm, when we have reliable maps). Why not? Navit [1] should do the work...! [1] http://www.navit-project.org/ -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Neo as cellular modem?
Hi, I'm was sitting in my workshop with the cable modem out and the local wireless not working correctly and so no internet access today, wondering if we can expect to use the FreeRunner/Openmoko as a cellular modem at any point. I haven't seen much mention of this. Any ideas? Thanks, Vinc ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video of production device?
Thank you very much Philipp. That's just what I was hoping for. Vinc On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 6:47 AM, Philipp Hannasky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vinc Duran schrieb: Hello, I'm going to be very demanding again :-) Is there video of the production FreeRunner in use? I found http://illume.projects.openmoko.org/illume-vv-01.avi posted by Kevin Dean on May 19th. Is that video of shipping software or just a concept video? It would be great if Ian or someone with a production unit could video typical usage of the three main ready applications. Dialer, contacts, and sms if I remember. Thanks ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=tyfhwVX_8BQ Media Player http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=rcgK2WcrT2g Aux und Power Button http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=eTsefRx1Xl8 Terminal http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=bqwd_iEeFwU Contacts http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=T8JB0q3H5Wk Boot This Videos were posted in the German Openmoko-Forum: http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=14t=123 There Einstein got a Production Devivce to test. Thereare also some Pictures an Screenshots. Philipp ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My Openmoko blog is aimed at helping Freerunner users get started
Of course, I really did a google search. :-) I just didn't have the right spelling. If I'd clicked that, Did you really mean... link in google I would have found the same links you did. Now I'll have lots to read about. Thanks to you both. On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 6:30 PM, clare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 22 May 2008, Vinc Duran wrote: Federico, can you send me a URL where I can learn more about Funamble? Google searches haven't found me much. Thanks On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Federico Lorenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Vinc - you are sure hard to please. After offering a slight spelling change Google gave 14,200 for Funambol connector. of which the first two were 28 Jun 2006 ... This blog post will be about sharing what I learned around developping Funambol Connector. It is not intended to be complete or a ... blogs.nuxeo.com/sections/blogs/cedric_bosdonnat/ Funambol: Open Source: Community Projects Funambol Exchange Connector v3, Community, The Funambol Exchange connector ... Zimbra Funambol Connector, Community, This project provides code for earlier ... www.funambol.com/opensource/projects.php Those should have been enough. Did you really ask Google? clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Video of production device?
Hello, I'm going to be very demanding again :-) Is there video of the production FreeRunner in use? I found http://illume.projects.openmoko.org/illume-vv-01.avi posted by Kevin Dean on May 19th. Is that video of shipping software or just a concept video? It would be great if Ian or someone with a production unit could video typical usage of the three main ready applications. Dialer, contacts, and sms if I remember. Thanks ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video of production device?
Thanks Kevin and Marco, Hey Kevin, my vote would be for the bad video. I'm looking for a video to show someone who is undecided about being in our group purchase. Thanks On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Kevin Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vinc Duran wrote: Is there video of the production FreeRunner in use? I found http://illume.projects.openmoko.org/illume-vv-01.avi posted by Kevin Dean on May 19th. Is that video of shipping software or just a concept video? That's a video about a first Illume implementation by Rasterman, it has been posted on illume project page [1] some months ago. Illume works. It's real code that you can download and compile yourself. ;) There have been changes, of course, and the real thing doesn't appear as polished as that video does but this is still relatively new in terms of being functional. It would be great if Ian or someone with a production unit could video typical usage of the three main ready applications. Dialer, contacts, and sms if I remember. I agree! Anwyway also few screenshots on scap.linuxtogo.org would be enough for me :P. I poked around briefly yesterday and didn't see a way in ASU to take screenshots. (I did discover one of my neighbors has an unsecured wifi access point) so for the time being I'll have to either make bad quality video or find out what screenshot app is on the 2007.2 images and install that. [1] http://illume.projects.openmoko.org/ -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My Openmoko blog is aimed at helping Freerunner users get started
Federico, can you send me a URL where I can learn more about Funamble? Google searches haven't found me much. Thanks On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Federico Lorenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Funamble connecter springs to mind. Its free too. On 5/22/08, thomasg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Supporting proprietary apps and non-standard non-public-documented protocols should be imho on the far bottom of the todo. So do we need outlook-support out of the box? Definitely not. What we need is SyncML support for the PIM apps/daemon (and I'm pretty sure that abraxa will be doing fine work in this area). If someone needs sync with Outlook: there are ways to make Outlook speak SyncML. Mostly they are commercial, but there's no difference to Outlook. I'm looking to use the neo as a toy, as a tool and for work, but it is not the job of Openmoko inc. to care for proprietary non-standard third-party software and waste money for this. On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 3:12 AM, Wilkinson, Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 0n Wed, May 21, 2008 at 01:09:24PM -0700, steve wrote: I do not believe that it will sync to outlook. However, explain exactly what you want to do. get your outlook contacts, mail and appointments to the phone? Calendar and contacts syncing between Outlook and phone is a pretty major thing needed. I would like to use both of these functions extensively to organise my daily working life. I'm not really looking to use OpenMoko as a toy :) -aW IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES ACT 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact the sender and delete the email. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wireless Cracking / Hacking on the FreeRunner
I'm sure I read in another post (or the wiki) that WPA was working at least. On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Brandon Kruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a number of programs that I use, and some that I wrote, for professional security pen testing (with permission). I was thinking of making a quick package for doing this automagically. (btw, does the neo support wpa/wpa2?) At the very least, it can cache enough requests on the wireless network with a couple programs, which you could then brute force on a desktop pc over a few hours / days depending on your machine. You could do the WHOLE wep (64bit and 128bit) crack within 20-30 minutes on my 350mghz oldschool dell laptop. Would anyone be interested in this? Dealing with WPA/WPA2 is a bit different, but the key to attack can be 'cached' for brute for on another PC later. (or the NEO if wanted) I would have to see if the drivers support being set in 'promiscuous' mode, etc. What do you guys think? Definitely taking the freerunner into a completely different market, which I think would be pretty cool. The end result would be to have a program you run, chose a wireless network, and then show reports of the program, cracking success/failure, etc. -bk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Funny Dialer
It reminded me of the mood music in Quake III. :-) On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is that noise in the background? Do you do your programming in a haunted house? It's freakin me out... -Steven On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 12:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, I've got my sort-of, kind-of working rotary dialer (with source) here: http://www.cibomahto.com/?p=192 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: IAX2/Asterisk + Openmoko FreeRunner
Hi Brandon, I'm an end-user for the most part. Do you think you can get the freerunner to emulate a common ip phone? I'm imagining using it with TalkSwitch or any general ip based system. Thanks On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Brandon Kruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Guys, Just want to keep the community updated. I was one of the few developers who have received a freerunner (gta02) in the mail a couple days back. Since then I have been updating all my latest packages (http://bkruse.com, and the mokoiax project page), will check in my code tonight. The goal of this project is to seamlessly tie into the openmoko dialer application as a 'gateway', so that you could chose to dial out over GSM or dial out over IAX2 (wifi, possibly GPRS). I currently just passed a test call, and I am having some issues getting the mic to work properly, but that should not keep me held back for long. If you would like to help in the project, just send me an email. I would love some feedback/suggestions on the project. You are the end user / community / developers, let me know what YOU would like to see! -Brandon Kruse ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: IAX2/Asterisk + Openmoko FreeRunner
Thanks Brian, That sounds very cool. I was wondering how that would work. I'm very excited to see how it all works out. V On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Brandon Kruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Vinc Duran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Brandon, I'm an end-user for the most part. Do you think you can get the freerunner to emulate a common ip phone? I'm imagining using it with TalkSwitch or any general ip based system. Thanks On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Brandon Kruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Guys, Just want to keep the community updated. I was one of the few developers who have received a freerunner (gta02) in the mail a couple days back. Since then I have been updating all my latest packages (http://bkruse.com, and the mokoiax project page), will check in my code tonight. The goal of this project is to seamlessly tie into the openmoko dialer application as a 'gateway', so that you could chose to dial out over GSM or dial out over IAX2 (wifi, possibly GPRS). I currently just passed a test call, and I am having some issues getting the mic to work properly, but that should not keep me held back for long. If you would like to help in the project, just send me an email. I would love some feedback/suggestions on the project. You are the end user / community / developers, let me know what YOU would like to see! -Brandon Kruse ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Well, I started to write a softphone with GTK+ and iaxclient, but then decided to integrate directly into the phone. That way, you do not have two different applications that do the same thing over the same means. In this method, you would open the dialer as normal, dial your number, and then chose your gateway. -bk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Boulder Colorado group sale
Hello, I'd like to get a group sale going for Boulder, Colorado. Please contact me or add your name to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales#Boulder. I can make the purchase and do local delivery. Vinc ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dash GPS personal nav device (uses OpenMoko) opens API
Hi Ron, Is the Dash in the blog the same as the Dash Express on the dash.net site? Vinc On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Ron K. Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dash GPS personal nav device (uses OpenMoko) opens API It's sorta funny, but nobody here says a word about Dash, the Freerunner's red-haired step-sister device, OEM'd from FIC as I understand things. Latest Dash news: http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/13/dash-opens-up-apis-for-its-gps-device-to-outside-developers/ -- Ron K. Jeffries Twitter @RonKJeffries mobile 805 567 4670 http://blog.eronj.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: yet another question about group sales (re: group goodies)
I don't know your answers but I thought it was 10 pack (like order=10 rather than order=10). On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 10:41 PM, nickd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I apologise if this has been asked before, but my Google-fu fails me and I can't search the lists properly, *so*... I know that if you order 10 Freerunners that you only get the discount on the groups of 10. In the same way, do you only get the same amount of goodies as phones? I.e. count(phones) = count(pouches,headsets)? OR count(phones) - (count(phones) mod 10) = count(pouches,headsets)? So will 11 phones give you 11 pouches or 10? I need more coffee. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
