Re: [QtMoko] Update v31 to v35
Hello, I am trying to upgrade 31 to 35 following the instructions: http://qtmoko.org/wiki/Update#Updates but does nothing. You first need to install the packages: edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list and add the line deb http://qtmoko.meurisse.org / then run: #apt-get update #apt-get install qtmoko Remember: do not try to update to v35 if you installed QtMoko on NAND. Regards -- Vincent Meurisse ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtmoko v35- status of qtmoko.meurisse.org
Uhm, ok now it's working don't know what's wrong before... sorry for bothering My bad. I made a mistake while uploading the files. Anyway it's fixed now. Regards -- Vincent Meurisse ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtmoko v35- status of qtmoko.meurisse.org
Thanks a lot. A question: some time ago I had upated my installation through the deb package on http://qtmoko.meurisse.org. The version there is still v31. Hello, I finally found time to update the packages on qtmoko.meurisse.org. I was unfortunately unable to test them completely. Please report any bug. Warning: if you installed to nand, DO NOT TRY TO UPDATE The filesystem change from jffs2 to ubifs would make your phone unbootable. Regards -- Vincent Meurisse ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner doesn't boot properly after upgrading to QtMoko v31
I've been running QtMoko v26 from my uSD card (Kingston) more or less successfully. I wanted to upgrade to v31, so I added the qtmoko repository as per the instructions on the wiki, did an apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade. When I rebooted the phone, I get only a terminal login prompt. Hi, from your log, it appear that the kernel you are running is Linux version 2.6.29-rc3-v26. I uploaded a new version of the packages that should fix this issue. If not, can you please send me the result of ls /boot/ Regards -- Vincent Meurisse ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
QtMoko v31 - Debian update packages
Hello, I (finally) uploaded the new Debian packages for QtMoko v31. Make sure you read the releases notes http://qtmoko.org/wiki/Update#Update_to_v31 or you might end-up with no sound during calls. As usual, instructions are located at http://qtmoko.org/wiki/Update. Regards -- Vincent Meurisse ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v24
On Monday 31 May 2010 20:48:41 Radek Polak wrote: Hi, new QtMoko images v24 are out! And so are the new debian packages! As usual instructions are at http://qtmoko.org/wiki/Update. Don't forget to backup your data before the upgrade (well I don't do it but I'm not a good example). If you want to disable the logging, you have to do it manually in settings logging. Regards -- Vincent Meurisse ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[QtMoko] Debian package for v22
Hi, Debian package for QtMoko v22 are ready. As usual, instruction for update are located at http://qtmoko.org/wiki/Update. Their should be no particular issue with this update. Regards -- Vincent Meurisse ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] Debian package for v21
On Friday 16 April 2010 18:42:06 Timo Jyrinki wrote: Can those be used to install Qt Extended Improved / QtMoko on top of normal Debian? I don't think so, but I never tried. This would probably need some work. Steps to install QtMoko from a plain debian are described here http://github.com/radekp/qtmoko/raw/master/doc/txt/debian_rootfs_howto.txt. The current package automate some steps but not everything. Or any plans on properly packaging Qt Extended Improved to Debian? I depend on what you call properly. If it's building the package from source, I want to do it for so long that I don't do promises anymore. I hope my new computer will not make 4hours of horrible fan noise when compiling QtMoko so I will be able to work again on it. If it's simply improve improve the existing package so they can be installed on top of a plain Debian, I plan to release the current build script. That way, everybody will be able to improve it. Regards -- Vincent Meurisse ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] Debian package for v21
On Thursday 15 April 2010 09:29:15 Yoric Kotchukov wrote: Thank you. And what to do with the contents of /opt/qtmoko, delete? Don't touch it. The installation of the package will simply override the old files. Regards -- Vincent Meurisse ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] Debian package for v21
On Thursday 15 April 2010 06:33:02 Yoric Kotchukov wrote: A couple of questions please: 1) What about the internal package QtMoko in this case? codecs eyepiece gqsync qtpedometr etc? Remove HOME / packages and reinstall? I keep them installed and never had any problem. As everything is in home directory, the new version can still use the application. 2) Due to the fact that the kernel / modules are not standard packages debian, as they update? Reflashing kernel scp modules? dpkg-S / lib/modules/2.6.29-rc3-v21/kernel/block/cfq-iosched.ko dpkg: / lib/modules/2.6.29-rc3-v21/kernel/block/cfq-iosched.ko not found You usually don't need to reflash anything. For the modules, they are in package qtmoko-kernel-modules: neo:~# dpkg -S /lib/modules/2.6.29-rc3-v21/kernel/block/cfq-iosched.ko qtmoko-kernel-modules: /lib/modules/2.6.29-rc3-v21/kernel/block/cfq-iosched.ko For the kernel, you have the package qtmoko-kernel-image which contain the file /boot/uImage.bin. If you installed to the nand, you also need to install the package qtmoko-kernel-nand. It will flash the newly installed kernel directly from the phone (dd if=/boot/uImage.bin of=/dev/mtdblock3). Regards -- Vincent Meurisse ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtmoko] roadmap for v22 and later
On Thursday 15 April 2010 06:39:59 Yoric Kotchukov wrote: Also: - mount -t jffs2 /dev/mtdblock3 /boot mount: /dev/mtdblock3: can`t read superblock This is normal. /dev/mtdblock3 contain directly the kernel image and not a file system containing the kernel image. Regards -- Vincent Meurisse ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[QtMoko] Debian package for v21
Hi, Debian package for QtMoko v21 are ready. Instruction for update are located at http://qtmoko.org/wiki/Update. The only bug I noticed during testing is http://bugs.qtmoko.org/view.php?id=128. Regards -- Vincent Meurisse ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[QTMoko] Debian packages for v19 (was: apt sources latest qtmoko)
On Thursday 01 April 2010 15:01:36 alfa21 wrote: why in apt sources i can only find v15? is qtmoko.meurisse.org the right one to use in debian? The simple reason is that I've been quite busy lately and never found the time to update it. Moreover, as the version on my phone is working quite well, and as my neo became my primary phone, I feel less like messing with my phone. The other reason is that the script to build the packages is really a peace of crap. It's only unziping the binary archive to repackage it in a debian package. I tried to make proper debian package from source but I never got it working. I created the package for the v19 but I have absolutely no time to test it before the WE. I hope it will not break your phone. Don't forget to backup your data before updating. The url for testing is qtmoko-test.meurisse.org. Any feedback (good or bad) would be appreciated. I will test the update myself over the WE and move the packages to qtmoko.meurisse.org if everything is fine. PS: I will be more than happy to see qtmoko in the standard debian tree. However one as to create real packages building from source to see it happening. -- Vincent Meurisse ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On Tuesday 29 December 2009 21:30:53 Risto H. Kurppa wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Yes Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes What distribution you run most of the time? QtMoko -- Vincent Meurisse ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v15
On Monday 14 December 2009 10:08:53 Atilla Filiz wrote: Can I upgrade my NAND image(from v14) without a fresh install? Instructions are now available at http://qtmoko.org/wiki/Update -- Vincent Meurisse ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian packages of QtMoko (Was: Re: QtMoko v15)
On Monday 14 December 2009 13:11:47 Jens Seidel wrote: Can I upgrade my NAND image(from v14) without a fresh install? The main question is: Exist Debian packages of QtMoko? Yes. They exist. I'm currently building and testing the v15. I hope to have them available in a few hours. I will publish a wiki page with instructions and a message to the list when done. -- Vincent Meurisse ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko TangoGPS 0.9.7-1
On Friday 23 October 2009 19:51:42 ghislain wrote: FYI: To install TangoGPS 0.9.7-1... Added to qtmoko.meurisse.org To use : 1) Add line deb http://qtmoko.meurisse.org / to /etc/apt/source.list 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install tangogps PS: I have no time to test it. Please report any issue. -- Vincent Meurisse ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] minor questions
First is - how can I remove application from Favorites tab? I did not find any possibility to do this for now. If you do a right click (click on an element and stay a few seconds) on the element you want to remove, you will see a menu where you can remove it. Third is - what is the location of my contacts database on the FR? /home/root/Applications/Qtopia/qtopia_db.sqlite Fifth is - I did apt-get update and had about 14 not upgraded packages. Is it safe for now to do and upgrade for the system software from lenny repository? If you read this : http://bugs.qtmoko.org/view.php?id=58 Six is - as I understood, all personal information is located under Documents directory of the user. Can I move this directory to the SD card and make simlink to the home location? Make a symlink for all the /home/root/ directory PS. I found some minor bug: the home directory of the root user in the qtopia environment is /home/root, but in debian - it is /root. Updating the HOMEPATH in the /etc/passwd fix this issue. The best would be to move QtMoko home to /root to keep the installation close to standard debian. Unfortunately Qtopia don't like to have the home directory not in /home/root. -- Vincent Meurisse ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] Support Russian language
The main goal I want to have is support contact names and writing sms messages on Russian language... There is a Russian keyboard available from the package manager. -- Vincent Meurisse ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[QtMoko] Deb package are available
I made some debian package for QtMoko. They contain the v14 (plus a fix for bug #58). These package are only installable on a working QtMoko system (not on a plain debian). I only tested them on my phone. So make backup before trying anything :). They should be installable at least on a v13 or v14 system (for older version, I have no idea so test and report) to install, edit file /etc/apt/sources.list and add : deb http://qtmoko.meurisse.org / (without the quotes.) (you can also add deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free while editing) then ssh to you phone and type : #apt-get update #apt-get install qtmoko If you installed qtmoko on Nand, also install qtmoko-kernel-nand #apt-get install qtmoko-kernel-nand then reboot and admire (or watch you phone burning) don't forget to report any issue (and fix if you know it) -- Vincent Meurisse ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v14
On Thursday 08 October 2009 16:44:12 Radek Polak wrote: In fact i dont know how much bandwidth is allowed on my (activationrecord.net) server so every mirror is welcome. I set up a new mirror on my server : http://qtmoko.meurisse.org/dl/. Feel free to advertise it (I already updated the download page on the wiki) -- Vincent Meurisse ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko images V12
On Monday 14 September 2009 11:27:02 Radek Polak wrote: - My provider (orange in France) use service request (#123#) to give me the remaining credit. Unfortunately qtmoko only display the first line of the answer (which btw doesn't contain any usefull information). Moreover it's not possible to respond to it. Can you please enable Modem AT commands logging and send me the line with the text that operator sent? (should be line containing +CUSD). The bug is still there in V12 Here is the log (with few lines before and after in case) : Sep 29 21:57:54 neo Qtopia: AtChat : f : OK Sep 29 21:58:05 neo Qtopia: AtChat : T : ^Z Sep 29 21:58:05 neo Qtopia: AtChat : W : Sep 29 21:58:05 neo Qtopia: AtChat : W : OK Sep 29 21:58:06 neo Qtopia: AtChat : T : ATD#123# Sep 29 21:58:06 neo Qtopia: AtChat : F : OK Sep 29 21:58:11 neo Qtopia: AtChat : N : +CUSD: 1,Restant: Sep 29 21:58:11 neo Qtopia: AtChat : ? : Au 29/09 a 21:57 Sep 29 21:58:11 neo Qtopia: AtChat : ? : Solde forfait:0h48m12s en com nat soit 14.46EUR Sep 29 21:58:11 neo Qtopia: AtChat : ? : Jsq 12/10 inclus Sep 29 21:58:11 neo Qtopia: AtChat : ? : Solde compte mobile : 1h11m20s en com nat Sep 29 21:58:11 neo Qtopia: AtChat : ? : Repondre Sep 29 21:58:11 neo Qtopia: AtChat : ? : 1:Menu Sep 29 21:58:11 neo Qtopia: AtChat : ? : 2:Suivi conso+ Sep 29 21:58:11 neo Qtopia: AtChat : ? : 3:Aide,15 Sep 29 21:58:16 neo Qtopia: AtChat : N : %CSQ: 14, 99, 1 Sep 29 21:58:16 neo Qtopia: AtChat : N : +CIEV: 1, 2 Sep 29 21:58:25 neo Qtopia: AtChat : N : %CSQ: 8, 99, 0 Sep 29 21:58:25 neo Qtopia: AtChat : N : +CIEV: 1, 1 Sep 29 21:57:53 neo Qtopia: AtChat : T : AT%CWUP=1 Sep 29 21:57:53 neo Qtopia: AtChat : f : AT+CPBR=1,3 Sep 29 21:57:53 neo Qtopia: AtChat : f : OK Sep 29 21:57:53 neo Qtopia: AtChat : F : OK -- Vincent Meurisse ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v10
On Friday 18 September 2009 10:14:53 Vinzenz Hersche wrote: so this one could be used. my problem is just that i've got not so much RAM (300 mb) I have a dedicated server with 1Gb of ram and unlimited transfer (100 Mb/s bandwidth). I can provide space on it for free. -- Vincent Meurisse ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QTMOKO] GPS pedometer app up on github
I added QtPedometer package to QtMoko feed. Great idea. two suggestions: - disallow the phone from suspend - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metre_Convention -- Vincent Meurisse ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QTMOKO] GPS pedometer app up on github
On Friday 18 September 2009 21:31:57 Jim Morris wrote: I'll see how to stop the phone from suspending The best would be to have this included in Whereabouts so any application using GPS automatically benefit from it. If it also let the screen blank, it would be perfect for battery life. -- Vincent Meurisse ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v10
On Friday 18 September 2009 23:14:33 Sound Freedom wrote: Is there un MD5SUM file anywhere ? In the original Radek's mail : MD5 sums: 1e02650d10fae92d25371a191bc37fa5 qtmoko-debian-v10.tar.gz cd9a11e1a8d00efa9a418678f2cfeacf qtmoko-debian-v10.jffs2 2e4998463523afed3d16b64a7f09ee10 uImage-v10.bin -- Vincent Meurisse ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko images V9
- Bad sound quality. I got complain until I switched to http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset.state.ne w. With this, the speaker is still too low but at least the other person can hear me. This is probably impossible to solve out-of-the-box. If a am right, phones need different alsa setting I'm not an expert but the wiki says : Please use http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset.state.new for *all* Neo Freerunner. (2009-04-27 jOERG) - My provider (orange in France) use service request (#123#) to give me the remaining credit. Unfortunately qtmoko only display the first line of the answer (which btw doesn't contain any usefull information). Moreover it's not possible to respond to it. Can you please enable Modem AT commands logging and send me the line with the text that operator sent? (should be line containing +CUSD). It seem that the switch to dash killed the logging capacity of my phone :( I tried with the init file in the mail. (with the one you linked to fix restart, qt extended doesn't start at all) I will try to investigate today. But the UI responsible for the display is the line 97 of the file src/server/phone/telephony/cell/supplementaryservice/supplservice.cpp - Boot time is still too long (2'40 to first picture, 3'10 to PIN screen) Yes, known issue with great improvement potential. E.g. by replacing bash with dash i can get time 2:30 Thanks for the fix. (It's funny, I was sure it was already included in the image) -- Vincent Meurisse ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko images V9
On Wednesday 09 September 2009 22:26:44 Radek Polak wrote: i have just uploaded new QtMoko debian images. Thanks a lot for your work. As my old phone is now dead, I started using my freeruner as main phone. Before saying anything else, QtMoko is for now my favorite distro. But we never discuss about the good points. So here are the remaining issues (from must to least annoying): - Bad sound quality. I got complain until I switched to http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset.state.new. With this, the speaker is still too low but at least the other person can hear me. - about the first second of conversation is cut. This is very annoying. - When registering multiple numbers for a contact, some are not callable (like mobile and other). The phone show a list of numbers without them. - My provider (orange in France) use service request (#123#) to give me the remaining credit. Unfortunately qtmoko only display the first line of the answer (which btw doesn't contain any usefull information). Moreover it's not possible to respond to it. - Phone doesn't re-register to GSM network (like after leaving airplane mode or after network error) - Alarm are not working (I get them after reboot) - Restart Qt Extended doesn't work (I get stuck in the console with the blinking cursor) - Boot time is still too long (2'40 to first picture, 3'10 to PIN screen) - QtExtended theme is not readable under the sun. A theme with more contrast would be apreciated - I find v9 more crashy than other version (5 crashes in 2 days). Maybe it's due to a more intense usage. - A nice boot logo would be nicer than console messages for 2 minutes A real bugtracker would be a good idea. The current one seems unloved (only 6 bugs, none of them ever receive an update). When reporting a bug, it's not possible to enter the image version (like v9). It would be also great if the qtmoko version where accessible from the information application on the phone. -- Vincent Meurisse ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko - user manual?
On Monday 07 September 2009 21:42:33 Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: Is there a user manual for QtMoko somewhere? You have an help menu from quite anywhere. This may help you… or not :) Or can I just ask all my newbie questions here? :-) This is also an option. -- Vincent Meurisse ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] Some QtMoko Questions
On Monday 31 August 2009 21:23:07 Risto H. Kurppa wrote: Just a follower from the side - it'd make qtmoko more interesting if the site had screenshots around.. I made some screenshots. Unfortunately the upload function of the wiki is not working. Take a look at http://dl.meurisse.org/qtmoko/. -- Vincent Meurisse ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Evopedia 0.2.1
On Wednesday 12 August 2009 10:09:51 am Christian Reitwießner wrote: So the bottom line is: I don't know if the size can be reduced significantly. For Evopedia 2.0 I do the dumps myself (mainly because those on static.wikipedia.org are more than a year old), but it takes really long Why not use dump DB from http://download.wikimedia.org/backup-index.html ? The last dump for English version is 5GB but you will probably need to add an index to have the file usable. -- Vincent MEURISSE ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Illume cpu gadget?
On Tuesday 14 July 2009 03:11:51 pm Michal Brzozowski wrote: What's the best way to get the CPU usage from command line? I would go for cat /proc/loadavg |cut -d' ' -f1 It gives you the load for the last minute. It's not just cpu utilisation but is usually a better performance indicator than cpu usage. -- Vincent MEURISSE ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to stop mailing list spam.
On Friday 03 July 2009 01:08:47 abatrour wrote: How do I stop all the emails being sent to my inbox? You go there and select no message delivery (I don't know the exact name of option) http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community You can also do this directly from nabble. But as nabble seams down for now, I can't give you the link. (Just answer to this message if you can't find it) -- Vincent MEURISSE ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: NABBLE [was: Re: [omgps] collect feature requests]
On Tuesday 30 June 2009 09:21:27 Jose Luis Perez Diez wrote: I haven't seen a duplicate coming from Nabble on this list and I'm suscribed with two email accounts. http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-June/050354.html http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-June/050355.html http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-June/050356.html http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-June/050358.html This look like duplicate, no ? -- Vincent MEURISSE ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] sid/squeeze on freerunner
On Tuesday 23 June 2009 02:43:11 pm Robin Paulson wrote: is there way in lenny to reliably upgrade to sid/squeeze? i've heard the idea of changing all instances of 'lenny' to 'sid' in the sources.list file, but that sounds very flaky This is the way to go. If you want to keep multiple sources in sources.list, you have to edit /etc/apt/apt.conf and put : APT::Default-Release testing; If you have problem on apt-get update add also this line : APT::Cache-Limit 1; You can also edit /etc/apt/preferences for fine tuning of witch packages to auto-install auto-update… then cat /etc/debian_version to check. -- Vincent MEURISSE ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: your mail
On Tuesday 23 June 2009 20:23:53 jeremy jozwik wrote: make sure you reply with the right subject instead of creating a new one Start using a real mail program (not like gmail or any microsoft one) and you will see that changing the subject doesn't matter :) -- Vincent MEURISSE ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009] airplane mode
On Friday 19 June 2009 23:26:57 jeremy jozwik wrote: i tried on several occasions to get it to work. even with a lock in the terminal, after sitting in the plane waiting to taxi i loose the signal I tried once and got a fix :P IIRC it was with OM2008.12 in a B737 (Between Stockholm and Paris). With the neo stuck to the windows, it took 15 minutes to get a fix :) But since normal fix raise from more than 2 minutes in an ideal place to less than 30s inside my room, you could expect better result now. (last time I took a plane, my phone was in buzz fix so I didn't retry) -- Vincent MEURISSE ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MP3 patents (was: Freerunner's Future)
On Saturday 06 June 2009 09:27:06 Harald Welte wrote: This would mean that e.g. every PC mainboard would have to pay the MP3 royalties, They would have to pay for every single audio codec but also for videos, file systems, network protocol… -- Vincent MEURISSE ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to use mail
On Tuesday 12 May 2009 02:14:35 pm Robin Paulson wrote: i think we shouldn't badger flecktor over his choice of e-mail clients, it makes us sound like zealots Of course he can choose the mail client he want. That's why I included multiple choices in my mail. I could have say Use linux and kmail. This is the best combination in the world(Which I believe but as you say everyone is free). During the past 20 days, there where 1700 messages under more than 200 different subjects. I truly believe that it is impossible to read that without a decent client. Threaded view is a 'must have' or you will be dead under messages. Some clients propose options such as 'ignore thread' which is really useful. So he is free but remember : 'you will never win a F1 GP with a LADDA' -- Vincent MEURISSE ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to use mail
On Monday 11 May 2009 20:21:58 flecktor wrote: Hi one could not find in o(1) the subject names , Maybe the solution is just to put a subject in you own mails:) _ Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! Don’t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutori al_Storage1_052009 The solution to how to read mail ? is deadly simple : STOP USING HOTMAIL ! As I think you're using windows, I can recommend you to use a real mail client like thunderbird (this is not the best I know but it is the only running on windows). More info here http://frodo.cs.bgu.ac.il/wiki/Mail/Clients/Thunderbird :) If you love webmail, the best one to handle mailing lists is horde. Unfortunately I don't know free providers using it. At last just use gmail they provide conversation grouping in a cool webmail. Regards -- Vincent MEURISSE ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debuzzing
On Wednesday 06 May 2009 22:23:23 Korbinian Rosenegger wrote: Is it possible to bring the devices to you in person? I'm interested too as I don't live too far. Moreover the packing for delivery in person is far easier to do than the post one :) -- Vincent MEURISSE ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtEI] GITs
Hi ! There are : http://book.git-scm.com/ and focused on cvs = git: http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/gitcvs-migration.html Regards Vincent Pomageot 2009/4/26 wim.delv...@adaptiveplanet.com As CVS user, is there any 'howto' about GIT ? Thx W On Sunday 26 April 2009 13:22:15 Fabio Locati wrote: why? what will happen? On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke liede...@telenet.be wrote: On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 11:33:07 +0200 Fabio Locati fabioloc...@gmail.com wrote: Forgot mine -.- - http://github.com/Fale/qtmoko/ On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Fabio Locati fabioloc...@gmail.com wrote: I think that we should have a complete list of the QtEI GITs: - http://github.com/liedekef/qtmoko/ - http://github.com/lpotter/qtmoko/ - http://github.com/radekp/qtmoko/ - http://github.com/FilipBE/qtextended/ - http://git.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved.git If you know others, please, report here. -- Fabio A Locati that's about it for now I guess. I hope this gets cleaned up once 2.6.28 is accepted by all :-) Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Rockbox on gta02?
Some time ago, I saw a project to build Rockbox as an application. Any news about that ? I think it's far better as it allow you to use other functionalities while playing music. For both case, I think touchscreen can be a problem. I've never seen a touchscreen interface to Rockbox. (But maybe there is a hidden one) Anyway, porting can be a goo programming challenge and a way to tell to the world : look how open hardware and software are good. There is tons of OS which can run on my phone -- Vincent MEURISSE ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Linball game 0.2 version
Please don't use the Reply button to create a new thread. Good mail client get fucked with that. -- Vincent MEURISSE ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Car Charger?
On Saturday 03 January 2009 20:57:19 Gothnet wrote: Has anyone found a car charger that would work to supply power to the FR running as a navigation aid? I use a cheap car-usb adapter. It work perfectly with a standard usb cable. -- Vincent MEURISSE ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: case manufacturing
Take a look at what swisscom have made : http://www.om.vptt.ch/site/?page_id=53 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fennec on Openmoko
Just to share, I don't know if it is usable 'as if'. It seems so : http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/mozilla-fennec-browser-running-openmoko-gta01-phone (but I didn't try it) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anyone have a Bluetooth mouse ?
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 08:55, Valerio Valerio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI, 2008/7/27 Dylan Semler [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 6:36 AM, Valerio Valerio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI, 2008/7/26 Yogiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] sudo /usr/sbin/hcidump -X test_mouse Can't open device: No such device You should probably use the device file there, such as /dev/input/mouse or whatever. I'd dump it myself, but my MoGo mouse doesn't have a scrolling wheel. It can't open the bluetooth device, probably your bluetooth device isn't hci0. Check with hciconfig your device (hci0, hci1...) and then try with the command sudo hcidump -i device_hcixx -X test_mouse K, I don't know if I'm going to be able to help you out. hciconfig -a doesn't have any output. I think the bluetooth devices are mapped to /dev/input/mouse*: $ cd /dev/input/by-id $ ll $ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2008-07-25 01:11 usb-15c2_0038-event-mouse - ../event1 $ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2008-07-25 01:11 usb-15c2_0038-mouse - ../mouse1 $ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2008-07-25 01:11 usb-Logitech_Logitech_BT_Mini-Receiver_000761A42B60-event-kbd - ../event2 $ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2008-07-25 01:11 usb-Logitech_Logitech_BT_Mini-Receiver_000761A42B60-event-mouse - ../event3 $ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2008-07-25 01:11 usb-Logitech_Logitech_BT_Mini-Receiver_000761A42B60-mouse - ../mouse2 and sudo /usr/sbin/hcidump -X -i /dev/input/mouse1 'test_mouse' has the same Can't open device: No such device result. I've tried with mouse[0-3]. If you have any other suggestions let me know, otherwise maybe someone else can help you out. Your mouse seems to be a Bluetooth mouse with some USB receiver, your computer probably don't have Bluetooth (or isn't configured). Thanks for the help anyway. Best regards, -- Valério Valério http://www.valeriovalerio.org -- Dylan Type faster. Use Dvorak: http://dvzine.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Here is a dump with my mouse. There is only one byte changing between the messages: byte = '01' : 1 click scroll up byte = '02' : 2 clicks scroll up byte = '03' : 3 clicks scroll up ... byte = 'ff' : 1 click scroll down byte = 'fe' : 2 clicks scroll down ... I hope this is ok for you -- Vincent MEURISSE test_mouse Description: Binary data ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anyone have a Bluetooth mouse ?
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 14:11, Valerio Valerio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/7/27 Vincent MEURISSE [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here is a dump with my mouse. There is only one byte changing between the messages: byte = '01' : 1 click scroll up byte = '02' : 2 clicks scroll up byte = '03' : 3 clicks scroll up ... byte = 'ff' : 1 click scroll down byte = 'fe' : 2 clicks scroll down ... I hope this is ok for you Thanks Vincent :) What is the brand and model of your mouse ? Cheers, -- Valério Valério http://www.valeriovalerio.org -- Vincent MEURISSE ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community It's a Microsoft : Laser mouse 8000 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Vote! Zimbra Mobile on the Openmoko
-- Zimbra - Forums Statistics ... Welcome to our newest member, openmoko - :) and what do you vote for ?? me : +1 for openmoko On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 18:14, Joseph Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wish there was a way to vote on this URL of yours without having to subscribe to the forum though -- I don't want to sign up just to cast a single vote. It's a bit of a pain, but I'm convinced it will be worth it. I *really* want Openmoko to be at the top. We were talking about Zimbra + Openmoko just last week with Michael Shiloh (in real life and everything) and I finally got round to looking into it today. I really think it would be an awesome launch day (or just about) application. It's going to sound cheesey, but don't vote just because I want my work emails to be really nice, vote for the good of Openmoko! People that don't want to sign up to vote could always comment on my blog. I'm going to open a support ticket on this issue and if there's a space where a lot of people have commented it's going to look better. Cheers, Joseph 2008/6/23 ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I personally use Plaxo, which syncs up Outlook, Thunderbird, Hotmail, GMail, Yahoo, my IM contact lists, all into one database, sorts out duplicates, and also sends a list to my Samsung phone via an installed app. After some digging, the Plaxo Plus mobile app is just based on Funambol, which has also been discussed on the mailing list, and wouldn't require a java stack to operate. Wish there was a way to vote on this URL of yours without having to subscribe to the forum though -- I don't want to sign up just to cast a single vote. -id andylockran wrote: Definately a +1 for me. I work in a Zimbra-centric organisation and know how good this software is. A client on my neo would be absolutely fantastic, and definately one to win over people still messing with Outlook, Exchange and Blackberries. Regards, Andy Joseph Reeves wrote: Dear all, I'd like to bring this poll to your attention: http://www.zimbra.com/forums/zimbrame-j2me-client/12642-vote-phones-zimbra-j2me-client.html For those that don't know, Zimbra is an awesome email/collaboration suite, they're asking for people to vote on the next mobile platform that their client will be released on. Zimbra on a FreeRunner would be a Blackberry killer. I've put up a short blog post here: http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/20080623 Thanks, Joseph ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ASU software - pre-pre-release impressions
On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Travis Tabbal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:snip I can write both good and bad code in most any language.snip Really? Try writing good code in whitespace [1] or most of [2] :P Anyway, regarding the app icons: perhaps it's possible to move those that are used most often to the top automatically? [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitespace_%28programming_language%29 [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esoteric_programming_language#Esoteric_programming_terms -- Vincent ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ASU software - pre-pre-release impressions
On 5/20/08, Fredrik Wendt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Language DOES matter. We use English on this list... Programming language. :) Sorry if I wasn't clear on what I meant. I was refering to the generic case - be it spoken language, programming language, painting, music, ... If you want very active involvement of participants then they need to easily grasp the environment and what others have done before. In spoken language, however, there is a de facto standard (English). When it comes to C vs. C++, there's always a lot of people that are fluent in one vs. a lot of people that are fluent in the other. / Fredrik -- Vincent ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: photographs of box and POSSIBLE contents of Neo Freerunner
On 4/22/08, Mikael Lammentausta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All right, here are the Freerunner pics in igal :) http://openlab.savonia-amk.fi/freerunner/ I couldn't resist :) http://www.23hq.com/Vincentt/firstfreerunnerpics (I've got a View as slideshow link on the right :) -- Vincent ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
On 4/15/08, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Happy dance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypnlOJjC368 Stop that, I've been Rick Rolled enough these days... :P -- Vincent ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: support win mobile
On 4/1/08, John Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Community, A decision has been made _today_ that Openmoko is going to support Windows mobile. We, the distribution team, want to provide our customers the maximum freedom in choosing whatever platform they want, even the close source ones. We will make necessary modifications to wine, thus enable win mobile on neo. One specific Openmoko hardware is going to support Windows mobile. It's the Neo Pocky. A prototype has been made and placed in our meeting room for quite a while. Please check this url for intro and photos: http://walkingice.twbbs.org/blog/?p=336 Excellent! While I thought the Neo was an excellent device, I didn't quite like the openness of the OS. You know, it adds security risks and stuff. I'm very happy to see we are given choice in this matter. Regards, John Lee Thanks again, -- Vincent ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Price of the Freerunner published?
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 6:40 PM, thomasg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since nobody seems to realize it, I guess I have to explain this. 1. Even the distributor has to pay shipping 2. 19% VAT in germany 3. x% additional fees (recycling, ...) in germany/europe 4. 2 years warranty in germany 5. The dollar-euro change will not always remain nearby 1.60$/1€ 6. People who handle the shipping and warranty in germany, do you think they can work for free? Don't get me wrong, I also like to get products cheap and not too expensive, but nobody can really expect to get the device for 285 euro from a resaler - you have to pay the 19% even if you import by yourself (the 19% are also on the shipping fees). Regarding points 1, 2, 3 and 6 - doesn't the US have something similar? Regarding 5 - shouldn't the prices be according to current exchange rates? Isn't that the whole point of exchange rates? -- Vincent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki - confusion
On 03/02/2008, JW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Openmoko community The wiki needs to present clear information. There is one area where it is pretty bad at the moment and that is in all the confusing references to neo's and GTA01s and GTA02s. It seems to me there is now a clear structure 1) Neo1973 has internal codename (GTA01xxx) 2) Freerunner has internal codename (GTA02xxx) However wiki pages are mixture of terms that doesn't make sense anymore because they have been used interchangeably over the last year. I changed a bit of section 1 of the FAQ page and started to look at tidying up the main pages at least to make this less confusing and I can do it the only problem is that i may break the pages/links of others This happens especially where the wiki page title needs to be changed. For example the Neo1973 page has loads of refs to GTA02 (which need moved to the, as yet blank Freerunner page) but it is linked to by 50 other pages many in other languages IIRC MediaWiki allows you to use the following as the content of a page: #REDIRECT [[Freerunner newpage]] So when you want to redirect GTA02 newpage to Freerunner newpage, you can use that without breaking any links. Should i just go ahead and change the core structure to being correct and the rest will follow?Is there someone overlooking wiki structure? JW Best, -- Vincent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko wallpaper
On 08/01/2008, Marcel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have uploaded the xcf file with the original layers in it and a second png version with a more solid logo. http://tanuva.de/files/mokocars_at_night_v2.png http://tanuva.de/files/mokocars_at_night.xcf.gz The more-solidness was acquired by simply putting 2 or three of the logo/text layers above each other - so it can be customized fairly simple. Marcel Thanks, I've played around with it a bit: http://www.23hq.com/Vincentt/photo/2790358 (Select More sizes... on the right for, well, more sizes ;-) You can download the Gimp file here: http://download128.mediafire.com/n4nwljxba4ng/fsdg3tywfzq/mokocars_at_night.xcf.gz (If it's OK with Marcel, that's under a CC-BY-SA license, and I wouldn't mind if you dropped the BY ;-) And yes, I realize the logo on their isn't very sharp, but I didn't really feel like putting too much effort in it. Best, -- Vincent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No Android on the Neo1973 - Only MyPhone left
On 22/11/2007, Stefan Lischke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Isn't google violating GPLv2 when it does not release the Code now? I could use some GPL'ed code, change it, give it to manufacturer and say i'll release it to public when the product is finish. Thats totally against GPL, cause it prevents other company to use the same code like the official manufacturer do. Or do i miss something? That is only required once the *distribute* the software. Stefan Best, -- Vincent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New input method demo!
On 25/10/2007, Zalunin Pavel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah, please let us see I've made a screencast: Ogg - http://download185.mediafire.com/ydgn9myztddg/8gv01d9fq7j/out.ogg Avi - http://www.viddler.com/show_movie!orgFile.action?movieToken=b6ed9b11 Flash - http://www.viddler.com/explore/Vincentt/videos/16/ __ Best Regards , Zalunin Pavel Best, -- Vincent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Possible Input method -- press and drag
On 02/10/2007, Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 03/10/2007, Derek Pressnall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The idea is to present a graphic that is similar to a standard phone keypad layout, with standard lettering and number positions. To enter a specific letter, you touch the button associated with that letter and drag your finger/stylus in a particular direction to indicate which letter to choose. For example, to enter an a, press the number 2, then drag to the left and release. A b would be press 2, drag upwards and release, and a c would be press 2, drag right then release. And so on. To enter the number 2, just press and release without dragging. To be easily usable, the method shouldn't require you to drag completely off the button, but should also require a minimum drag length. What does everyone think about the usability of this type of method? Once I get up to speed on GTK programming, I can take a stab at it, but it may be a bit before I get time for it. So if someone else wants to give it a shot, go ahead. i think this has been done already, sort of. see: http://www.micropp.se/openmoko/ Or perhaps more like this thread: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-September/009916.html ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Vincent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Help Request for our Webshop
On 23/09/2007, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 23.09.2007 um 10:21 schrieb Krzysztof Kajkowski: 2007/9/23, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The standard Open Source Web Shop is OSCommerce (http:// www.oscommerce.com/). The only requirements it does not solve are * it is witten in PHP * it has its own database model Hi! Recently I'm running a one-person project on oscommerce and the deeper I get inside the code the more I see what a piece of ugly written software this is... Each file is a mixture of HTML, PHP and even SQL. There are no templates, no MVC nor other model, code is buggy, unmaintened and uses PHP classes like tables. It's a software that stuck in time five years ago... I would never do anything in oscommerce again. I guess that is the reason why Sean asked for something new preferably without PHP. In PHP it is much easier to mix everything than to use a clear MVC concept (although someone could argue that a single PHP script contains all M=MySQL, V=HTML, C=PHP)... If you make use of a PHP framework then it is perfectly possible to use a clear MVC concept. Let's hope they find a solution that is better and does not draw too much from the development budget and time they have. Developing something new from scratch would IMHO also be a waste of resources and does not guarantee that it is finished within a reasonable timeframe (e.g. October where we all await new devices to ship :-). -- Vincent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Help Request for our Webshop
On 23/09/2007, Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 23 Sep 2007, at 15:02, Vincent wrote: I guess that is the reason why Sean asked for something new preferably without PHP. In PHP it is much easier to mix everything than to use a clear MVC concept (although someone could argue that a single PHP script contains all M=MySQL, V=HTML, C=PHP)... If you make use of a PHP framework then it is perfectly possible to use a clear MVC concept. Let's hope they find a solution that is better and does not draw too much from the development budget and time they have. Developing something new from scratch would IMHO also be a waste of resources and does not guarantee that it is finished within a reasonable timeframe (e.g. October where we all await new devices to ship :-). My comments are they it's better to use an commerce engine that gets regular security testing and patches. If you roll your own then you need to be proactive in monitoring the system for intrusion attempts. Decent security testing and auditing costs money. If you use an existing engine and you get hacked then you have someone to sue if they were incompetent. A bit of mis-quoting, that wasn't written by me but by Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] And surely, you mean someone to hold responsible instead of someone to sue? Especially if we're talking about an open source project... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Vincent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Qtopia Phone Edition is being ported to Neo1973
You might have already noticed this, but if not: http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=1436 -- Vincent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973
On 18/09/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very simple, i would think it is about compatibility of code. With openmoko, it is a small difficulty to port a normal linux application to openmoko. With Qtopia, it would probably involve a rewrite of major sections of the code. Also, one possible solution to this would be to run an x server which outputed to a QWS window. I seem to remember something like this being developed for OpenZaurus years ago. I would have thought something like Xvfb or Xephyr could be modified to display output into a QWS window? If you don't like it? Ignore it. Make it better. Whatever. No one made a decision for _you_. True. Who am I to challenge the decisions of others? I understand that, but I just can't bare to see duplication of effort in community projects, it's such a waste of such talented people. But you can't please everyone; that's why there are different projects to fill different needs/requests. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Vincent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Myth Busting FTW
On 29/08/2007, Richard Franks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heh! It's an Apple fan site, so you can't expect any attempt at objectivity - as the forum following up the article shows: http://roughlydrafted.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=290page=1#Item_0 Given that Apple fans already have the phone of their dreams, it is quite the compliment that they should feel the need to devote such time, energy and FUD to attack their perceived 'rival'. As when Microsoft compared Linux with Communism - the more rabid the attack, the more insecurity lies beneath. Well, as KathyLee said: Wow - killer fact-finding! Obviously, his sources are reliable ;-) Oh, and attacking the ideas wiki rather humourously misses the point ;-) Nuthin' to see here iThink... Richard On 8/28/07, Nkoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somebody really has their knickers in a bunch. http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q3.07/B10AE668-EAD3-46DC-A042-5EF3461D63EF.html All that FUD is making me woozy @_@ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Vincent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Replying to digests Was: Re: community Digest, Vol 36, Issue 48
On 20/07/07, Kero van Gelder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems like we need the right software then. http://gbatemp.net , running IPB Portal v2 ( http://www.invisionpower.com/ ), does what you describe pretty reliably as far as I can tell. Don't know if any other board software has that functionality. Yup, that one is the main forum I'm using... I find the hostality towards forums here pretty astounding... ... and it messes up what I've read and not read regularly. But if there are a lot of people that don't care, what is the problem? -- Vincent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Free OpenMoko...
On 17/07/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 17 Jul 2007, Ted Lemon wrote: Has anyone seen this? http://www.freeopenmoko.com/ Weird, huh? Wow. That is super weird. Did you follow the click here to start link? It seems to be a front to something called ezyrewards. My guess is that it's a phishing website, collecting addresses for resale to spammers. What's really interesting is that OpenMoko made it on to their radar. They probably skim off the top x of digg, /., and other such techie things. What really sucks is that they own the domain. I wonder if we should grab freeopenmoko.org as a precaution. (and .net, etc., but where do you draw the line?) I don't think we should register those because if those were really to be used you can be sure a lot of people will end up on freeopenmoko.com instead. Michael -- Vincent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Free OpenMoko...
On 18/07/07, Miquel Herrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vincent wrote: ... On 17/07/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think we should register those because if those were really to be used you can be sure a lot of people will end up on freeopenmoko.com instead. But it could be good to register and not used, to avoid proliferation of fraudulent pages True, but then again, I don't think you'll be able to avoid that anyway. You can come up with lots of such domains... Kind regards Miquel -- Vincent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Not the free phone (was: Re: Again: Advertising thoughts
On 16/07/07, Ian Darwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I completely agree. My idea is to make two advertisment campains: one on maisntream media: maybe tv, maybe radio, flyre, poster, newspapers, wathever. This ads would be something like: The free phone, OpenMoko. The only one with The OpenMoko: now with builtin navigator and so on. Don't even THINK of using based on Linux Kernel 2.6.xx or With powerful ssh acess Calling it the free(d) phone to consumers (as opposed to developers) is going to engender an enormous amount of confusion and ill-will. Why? Because (at least in North America) the major carriers have spent years, and billions of dollars, totally subverting the meaning of the phrase free phone to mean we give you the cheapest phone we can find and don't charge you for this piece of junk when you lock into a two- or three-year plan at some exorbitant rate that obviously includes the cost of the phone amortized. Seriously, ask consumers what a free phone means. at least 11 out of 10 will give you the definition above, at least the parts they understand. A consumer ad campaign is NOT the place to push the free as in beer vs free as in speech argument. The phrase free phone already means the opposite of what we want it to mean. It's done, finished, over. Move on. Call it something else in the consumer market. The Flexible Phone. The Does-what-you-want-not-what the big corporations want. I don't know. The you're in control-phone? :P Anyway, it would be weird calling it *the* free phone anyway, as I assume the Neo won't be the only OpenMoko-powered phone. -- Vincent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: All is Very quiet the last few days....
On 12/07/07, Ulrik Rasmusen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, it's a general problem. I think no one received any email the past 48 hours. So that explains this sudden boom. I have missed a few emails but received a few others, but that might be because this is not the only OpenMoko list I'm subscribed to. It's working now though :o). --Ulrik On Thursday 12 July 2007 14:57:16 Alan Ide wrote: I am really beginning to wonder if its a Gmail problem. I have gotten no new mail in like 2 days, then all of the sudden I have nearly 40 messages in my inbox in the last 5 mins. On 7/11/07, Clayton Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ever since I signed up to the OpenMoko lists, i've gotten several emails everyday However, the last 2 days i've received nothing at all Is this a gmail problem or is something bad happening with the OpenMoko group and FIC? Also wondering how the ordering and shipping is going - stilll haven't gotten any confirmation of order processing from my order on Monday morning... --clayton ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Vincent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Nederlanders opgelet] Dutch newspaper blog about OpenMoko phone
On 12/07/07, Eric van Horssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This article on the blog site of a Dutch newspaper: http://weblogs.nrc.nl/weblog/hebben/2007/07/12/gratis-software-voor-je-gehackte-smartphone/ een telefoon met fraaie afgeronde hoeken That's actually a compliment about the rounded corners, haven't heard that in a while ;-) Anyway, it did mention that you'd better wait for the next hardware update, but only because it has more features. It doesn't mention the current one isn't really ready for their audience at all. Also, I guess when the author says navigational software shouldn't be a problem because TomTom runs Linux, he's wrong, right? (That was a weird sentence) -- Vincent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Nederlanders! Openmoko needs more attention
On 09/07/07, Marcel de Jong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, I've opened a topic on the Openmoko at Tweakers.net again. Placed another post to that board. If they close that one too as spam, I don't care anymore for their 'Gathering of Tweakers'. If they can't see the awesomeness of this device, then I can't be bothered posting there. :P /me creates an account. http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/list_messages/1231380 :) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Vincent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko ads on youtube
On 08/07/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=472DE700A3CC70A4 #21 is new. I think I went a little overboard. No one from openmoko has said to stop, so I guess these are okay to post on youtube. -adam I think it's great! (Only the ending is a bit long) -- Vincent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko ads now on youtube
On 05/07/07, Jonas Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Adam Krikstone on 07/04/2007 08:58 PM UTC: Good and bad, here are some ads for openmoko and the neo1973 I did. Sorry for the bad quality on some but there aren't many videos or pictures of the neo1973 besides the wiki. I stayed with the free your phone, aspect since advertising linux to the public is not going to work. I can make better ones if someone can get me high res photos and video (720x480 and above). Playlist: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=472DE700A3CC70A4 Individual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCQ7dmGuAU8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQPjfUqp-dk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qP-K1HOMHk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S--2HeQqjq4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpwxzEopg60 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuG2hYiO9AU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGjY7tigdkA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR4ezMgRlWo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZC3mjRW5Tg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxsVFG7jHI8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62kLhNngE20 Wow, excellent! Thank you! Here's some material, hoping it might give you more ideas :) http://youtube.com/watch?v=vr3x_RRJdd4 That one's awesome :D http://youtube.com/watch?v=KCmCTVs8Nrs That one's even more awesome... These goals are best to look at and so hard to defend ^.^ -- - xkr47 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Vincent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AND donate entire Netherlands to OpenStreetMap
On 05/07/07, Frank Coenen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good news for openstreetmap!!! see: http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=223 Automotive Navigation Data (AND) is a leading provider of location, routing, mapping and address management are donating a street network of the entire Netherlands. Yes, an entire country. :-D Wow, that's awesome! -- Vincent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: front page of digg!!!!!!
On 29/06/07, Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: rather than being relegated to the contents section of iphone items, the openmoko is on the front page of digg.com (very big user-controlled tech news site for those that aren't aware) http://digg.com/linux_unix/OpenMoko_the_Anti_iPhone get there now and digg it up, let's generate some interest! Too bad it's down :( -- Vincent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
On 14/05/07, Piotr Duda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From all phones I saw being sold in Europe (and few years ago in Asia) only Motorola (and not in all models) use the reject-on-left and answer-on-right style. Maybe Im mistaken but I always tought that all others just do the oposite? Have no idea where did it come from, considering that first mobile phones was made in Motorola as I believe, and others perhaps should follow. But since the most phones use answer-on-left and reject-on-right style, it should be more intuitive for most users (despite that as right-handed I prefer Motorola style). Maybe in future someone will implement some configuration or maybe some different themes/skins will be enough to choose which style is best for me. :-) I guess when you hold a phone in your right hand, the left button is easiest to hit with your thumb... Piotr Steven ** napisał(a): On 5/14/07, *Ole Tange* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So to me the following actions should be put on the left side: left, undo, back, cancel, previous, no, reject-call and these should be put on the right hand side: right, apply, forward, OK, next, yes, answer-call, do-it I just want to point out that the Neo wouldn't be the only phone to put answer-call on the left and reject-call/end on the right. I'm pretty sure every phone I've ever had did it that way as well. Definitely the phone I have right now has it that way. So, for consistency, it makes sense to leave it that way. It also occurs to me that in an OK/Cancel dialog, OK is always on the left. So again, consistency would suggest leaving it that way. -Steven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Vincent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How many FOSS developers users Worldwide?
On 12/05/07, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One more idea: a) count the number of registered users at Sourceforge, Freshmeat, GNA and some other similar facilities. Could give a rough indication for FOSS developers. I'm registered at both SF.net and Gna, and I assume I'm not the only one ;) b) count the number of registered users at Linuxquestions could give an indication for the number of user. But as said before: it needs a clear definition. Am I counted as a FOSS user if I use a Motorola A760? Nikolaus Schaller Am 12.05.2007 um 13:12 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: Am 12.05.2007 um 13:11 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: Well, you could try to compare the participation of some OSS developer related events (e.g. FOSDEM) to MS Developer Conference(s) or Apple WWDC. Then you need the total number of (software) developers worldwide and a simple multiplication would give the result... But this share is probably not quite reliable, since MS Apple developers have to pay for but also can do so, so you count commercial developers who can afford travel expenses at a different level. A different approach could be the total market share of MS Windows vs. Linux which is repoeted regularly by Gartner, IDC and others. I think I remember approx. 80 to 20 for Desktops+Servers. And assume that for large projects the number of users is the same split of the cake as for developers. But if you want to include Embedded, the picture is quite different. Would you e.g. count Symbian as FOSS? So, you need a clear definition in advance what you really want to count. And finally, FSF might have figures to share. Nikolaus Schaller Am 12.05.2007 um 11:07 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dear Community! Hopefully you guys can help me. I'm trying to find the number of FOSS developers and users worldwide for some marketing related presentations but just can't seem to find any solid numbers. It would also be very interesting to see how this number compares to the number of developers worldwide. Does anyone have any good links they could send me? Thanks! Sean This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Vincent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ubuntu Mobile and Embedded
On 08/05/07, Joe Friedrichsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/8/07, Vincent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 08/05/07, Marcin Juszkiewicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But GMAE project (which you talk about) was created by companies which already work in embedded world - for example OpenedHand (which work on most of OpenMoko framework). Isn't that even better? Ubuntu mostly works closely with Gnome, so if GMAE was created by companies which already work in the embedded world then Ubuntu can profit from that experience. In reading this thread, the tone appears to be the opposite: people are hoping that OM et al can benefit from Ubuntu's efforts, not the othe way around. Certainly collaboration and help will be going in both directions, so I'll be happy either way it goes since it will be both. Joe ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I just read this: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2403415870.html Contrary to widespread rumors, Ubuntu Mobile will not target mobile phones. Instead, the mobile and embedded version of the popular desktop Linux distribution will be developed in partnership with Intel, and will target mobile Internet devices (MIDs), along the lines of Nokia's N800 web tablet. -- Vincent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ubuntu Mobile and Embedded
On 07/05/07, Marcin Juszkiewicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dnia poniedziałek, 7 maja 2007, Jon Phillips napisał: On Mon, 2007-05-07 at 09:28 -0500, Jonathon Suggs wrote: Don't know if people saw this or not, but Ubuntu just announced that they will be working on mobile and embedded distros. I'm not sure what all their goals are, and how they align with what OpenMoko is doing, but if it was possible to join efforts with such a large organization/project could really help out with the overall development/support. I absolutely agree. If anything, it is great that big linux projects are focusing on the mobile market. I'm not sure how the openembedded + ubuntu + gnome mobile plans can work together. Can someone from one of those projects comment please? They just announced it. Debian guys are trying to make something embedded for long time (Embedian project) and nearly nothing yet. First let they provide informations what they want to reach and how. I am a bit tired of all those 'big distro starts project for embedded' because many times it end in 'it is like normal device but has only 100MB of storage'. And then they got hit by devices which lack keyboard or have only touchscreen + keypad or no input at all.. or have 8MB flash and 32MB RAM.. Perhaps this one will be more successful as the Gnome project, too, had announced some efforts on the mobile and embedded area. -- JID: hrw-jabber.org OpenEmbedded developer/consultant Monday is a hard way to spend one-seventh of your life. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Vincent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: MediaWiki Updates
On 27/03/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear all, I want to listen for OpenMokO wiki updates through some RSS reader. Is this possible? If yes, please let me know how to do it. Thanks in Advance, Karthik ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Not perfect, but: http://www.feedity.com/?http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Recentchanges -- Vincent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: MediaWiki Updates
On 27/03/07, Alessandro Iurlano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/27/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear all, I want to listen for OpenMokO wiki updates through some RSS reader. Is this possible? If yes, please let me know how to do it. Thanks in Advance, Karthik I think that subscribing to this url should be what you are looking for: http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Special:Recentchangesfeed=rss Hope it helps, Alessandro ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Ah, that's better, of course. -- Vincent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
