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Re: Re: ROS on Freerunner

2011-04-20 Thread W. B. Kranendonk



--- On Wed, 20/4/11, Jan Tuennermann tuennerm...@get.uni-paderborn.de wrote:

 useful for using the phone as a control unit on a robot, but
 probably not  for it's original intention as a phone
 ;)
I guessed so :-)

 I think the one could easily forward the port gpsd uses to
 run tangogps on a remote PC. That's probably what you
 described, Boudewijn. Did the GPRS connection prove reliable
 enough for this?
It is, and it did :-) It should, of course, but still I rejoiced when finding 
it actually worked.

Boudewijn

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Re: ROS on Freerunner

2011-04-19 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

--- On Tue, 4/19/11, Neil Jerram neiljer...@gmail.com wrote:
  Am 19.04.2011 um 09:46 schrieb
 Jan Tuennermann:
 
  Right now I'm trying to get a gpsd_client node to run
 on the OpenMoko. On a
  remote PC a gpsd_viewer node will run, subscribing
 gpsFix messages which it

 viewer: note that this is very similar to using the
 OpenMoko as a GPS
 receiver and exporting that information to another device
 over
 Bluetooth.  

Apart from exporting over Bluetooth, will you have an IP connection between the 
devices? I guess so, how else to receive *any* info in the viewer :-)

Anyway: using foxtrotgps for example, I enter the port for gpsd. I always 
expected it to default to localhost if nothing else was supplied; I recall 
using tangogps on a laptop configured to connect to IP:port of the Freerunner 
that was traveling with family and connected via GPRS. That's a while ago 
though and time and alcohol made the memory not too detailed ;-)

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Re: GSM Firmware Flashed, now UBIFS problem and Kernel Panic

2011-04-14 Thread W. B. Kranendonk


--- On Thu, 4/14/11, Dave dave...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Raphael Wimmer
 raphael.wim...@ifi.lmu.de wrote:
  If there is a better solution that preserves the FS,
  I would be happy to learn about it.
 I wonder if it would be possible to boot into a distro on the sd card
 and mount the nand partitions. Then you could save /home. Just a thought.

Yes, it is: just mount  -t jffs2 /dev/mtdblock6 /mountpoint 

I haven't used it for ubifs yet though; I just tried on qtmoko 33(?) and got a 
wrong filesystem error on mounting; not sure which fs I'm using, I tried jffs2 
as well which I killed after half a minute. jffs2 can take a while to scan the 
flash, but when I used it that way before, it would be done in some 7 seconds 
(on SHR).

lsmod | grep ub does not give any results; 
lsmod | grep jff gives a single result on my currently running system.

I hope it helps a bit,

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Re: Another open hardware mod experiment: RFID-tag/Reader board for the Freerunner, Nanonote (?) and Beagleboard

2011-04-11 Thread W. B. Kranendonk



--- On Mon, 4/11/11, Denis Shulyaka shuly...@gmail.com wrote:
 Date: Monday, April 11, 2011, 12:41 PM
 2011/4/11 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
 h...@goldelico.com:
  There are three potential issues whiy it could not
 work: (...)
 Wikipedia says that it uses Mifare UltraLight chip (ISO
 14443 Type A
 13,56 MHz), so the protocol seems to be compatible. The
 encryption
 part is unknown.

If it indeed is the ultralight chip, there seems no encryption: 
The disposable passes are cheaper Mifare Ultralight cards that do not employ 
any encryption or keys, and can be read by anyone. (wikipedia as well: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OV-chipkaart#Technology)

  * the RFID system may be copy protected and/or
 encrypted with the tag id (and you can't change a tag id)
Bad luck! Would spoofing be doable? I got my wallet full of cards for all 
kinds of things, that is, entrance to the office and subscription for the 
library. I guess these are linked to the chip ID (although I know of libraries 
that don't use the ID of their labels, if I understood them correctly! I asked 
a few times, under different angles of question-attack, but got the same answer 
each time. Unbelievable...). 

Does this kind of antenna need to have right-angled corners, as in the photo? 
Or is that shape easier sculpted in the PCB? 

Thanks for the experiment!

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Re: Qtmoko and u-boot

2011-04-01 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

--- On Fri, 4/1/11, Ed Kapitein e...@kapitein.org wrote:
 On 04/01/2011 05:20 PM, Gennady
 Kupava wrote:
  В Птн, 01/04/2011 в 17:00 +0200, Ed Kapitein
 пишет:
  On Friday 01 April 2011 14:52:02 David Matthews
 wrote:
  I had a few problems with several uSD

Any chance all of them are broken? I got a whole collection of Sandisk uSD 
cards that gave up the gost a while back, making me distrust my Freerunner, my 
laptop, some camera's and some card readers.

Do your filesystems only get corrupted when using it in your FR?

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[QTMoko] Battery running low on v33

2011-03-10 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

Hi List,

I have been using QTMoko v33 for the last few days. One of the things that 
bother me, is that the battery drains much faster than I am used to, _even_ if 
it's connected to USB with force-fast-charge.

Checking Neotool, the battery status is charging (and changes to discharging on 
disconnect, not charging on connecting and then charging after a few seconds).

The current is around 14(?) when not connected, and from 6000 to 9000 when 
connected. Modem and Bluetooth are turned on, GPS (and, as far as I can tell) 
wifi are turned off (never turned on since turning on the device from 
no-battery-no-cables-cold-boot))

Am I being fooled by the thin red line in the battery-drawing (and the beeps 
and messages low power) and is the battery actually being recharged? 

How can I figure out whether fast-chare is really enforced? 

Thanks in advance!

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Re: GPRS and QTMoko

2011-03-09 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

--- On Tue, 3/8/11, Wesley Frazier wes.fraz...@gmail.com wrote:
 If I boot my freerunner up from a
 cold boot and manually start GPRS it
 works fine. (...) it seems to
 stop
 working,(...)Regardless of whether or not it is set to On
 Demand or
 not. 
I got the same issue on QTMoko 0.33. I can prevent it by turning on 
multiplexing under modem settings in NeoControl: then it won't connect at all. 

A while back GPRS came up as well; anyone with an uninterrupted connection, 
could you tell whether you run anything in the background or prevent bursts of 
activity, or anything the like?

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Re: GPRS and QTMoko

2011-03-09 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

--- On Wed, 3/9/11, W. B. Kranendonk wankelwan...@yahoo.com wrote:
 --- On Tue, 3/8/11, Wesley Frazier
 wes.fraz...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  If I boot my freerunner up from a
  cold boot and manually start GPRS it
  works fine. (...) it seems to
  stop
 I got the same issue on QTMoko 0.33. 
 A while back GPRS came up as well; 
came up on the list, that is.

 run anything in the background 
I tried one of the suggestions, run ping in the background as keep alive.

For the last one and a half hour (or something), ping has been running happily 
with about 750ms for an answer; count of icmp_req is 2800 at the moment. 

The usefulness of the connection seems to have dropped though: the first 
minutes NeronGPS would receive tiles relatively fast, and browsing websites 
mostly filled with text would be OK. 

At the moment, downloading four tiles for one screen of NeronGPS takes close to 
half a minute (increasing icmp answers to about 2 seconds).

All of this is symptom description of course, I still have to find out whether 
I am able to do anything useful with the underlying code.

Regards,

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Re: [qtmoko33] wifi doesn't power off and drains the battery (was: qtmoko v33)

2011-03-09 Thread W. B. Kranendonk



--- On Wed, 3/9/11, Alfa21-mobile freerun...@my.is.it wrote:
 if you successfully connect to any wifi network (in v33
 only open
 networs are accessible) then the hardware remains in active
 state,
 draining the battery flat in few hours depsite you disable
 the
 connection via the software interface.
Ah, that explains..! I had such an idea, after my battery ran out much faster 
than I expected.

In general, is there a GUI-feedback on the neo-quick-settings (or what is it, 
top left icon with the cogwheels when using Faenqo?) 

For now, I put most of them in favourites, so that I will return to home 
after successfully clicking something. The current status of some of them I 
have been able to find back in the GUI, so I understand that for now /proc can 
be consulted for the current status?

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Re: GPRS and QTMoko

2011-03-09 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

--- On Wed, 3/9/11, Wesley Frazier wes.fraz...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have recently discovered if I set
(cut ritual)
 GPRS data on end, until my next reboot.

You ARE quite sure that it does not have to do with the phase of the moon, the 
number of mushrooms in your basement or anything the like? 

 The problem is this ritual is sub optimal. Obviously the
 first
 connection is initializing something that the Always
 Online mode
 fails to. Although I do not know what it could be.
Haha, it is not the most optimal, but the results count. I will give it a try!

Boudewijn



  -- Forwarded message --
  From: Brian bn...@rochester.rr.com
  To: community@lists.openmoko.org
  Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 08:40:39 -0500
  Subject: Re: GPRS and QTMoko
  On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 04:14:42 -0800 (PST)
  W. B. Kranendonk wankelwan...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
  --- On Wed, 3/9/11, W. B. Kranendonk wankelwan...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
   --- On Tue, 3/8/11, Wesley Frazier
   wes.fraz...@gmail.com
   wrote:
If I boot my freerunner up from a
cold boot and manually start GPRS it
works fine. (...) it seems to
stop
   I got the same issue on QTMoko 0.33.
   A while back GPRS came up as well;
  came up on the list, that is.
 
   run anything in the background
  I tried one of the suggestions, run ping in the
 background as keep
  alive.
 
  For the last one and a half hour (or something),
 ping has been
  running happily with about 750ms for an answer;
 count of icmp_req is
  2800 at the moment.
 
 
  I left an irssi session running for ~12 hours which
 never PTO'd. I did
  and still do have problems with GPRS staying connected
 whether using on
  demand or always on unless I background something.
 
  The usefulness of the connection seems to have
 dropped though: the
  first minutes NeronGPS would receive tiles
 relatively fast, and
  browsing websites mostly filled with text would be
 OK.
 
  At the moment, downloading four tiles for one
 screen of NeronGPS
  takes close to half a minute (increasing icmp
 answers to about 2
  seconds).
 
  My provider (T-Mobile) has an unlimited $1.49 data
 day pass which
  slows to a crawl once it hits 30Mb of data. Does
 your provider do
  something similar?
 
  I hadn't noticed any slowdowns until hitting this
 limit while running
  irssi to keep the connection alive. Once it does slow
 down it stays
  slow until I buy another day pass. Does your
 connection speed ever
  increase again?
 
  Perhaps using mtr-tiny instead of ping might shed some
 light on what's
  happening with your GPRS connection.
 
 
  All of this is symptom description of course, I
 still have to find
  out whether I am able to do anything useful with
 the underlying code.
 
  Regards,
 
  Boudewijn
 
  This reminds me of the old days when AOL used to drop
 connections which
  usually happened in the middle of a rather large
 software update of
  course.
 
  Brian
 
 
 
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Re: FRNBv2 is dead. Long live FRNBv3!

2011-03-01 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

Hi Christoph,

--- On Mon, 2/28/11, Christoph Mair m...@chonyota.net wrote:
 unfortunately the compass chip included in the FRNBv2 is no
 longer available. 
(...)
 and therefore requires a new PCB layout.

Which software do you use for the layout? I've tried both pcb (gEDA) and pcbnew 
(KiCAD), but neither shows anything after opening the files at chonyota.net 
(complaints about missing components; I don't have the details at hand).

Do I need additional libraries?

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Re: MicroSD cards support questions in gta02

2011-02-28 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

--- On Fri, 2/25/11, Πρεκατές Αλέξανδρος apreka...@gmail.com wrote:
 1)(...) Doesnt that imply that there is no general bootloader
 working like in 
 desktop pcs?
Nail on the head: ARM does not come with BIOS. One of the effects is that the 
processor can not find out easily what hardware is connected, and has to be 
told exactly which memory address to read. That is told by the bootloader, 
which is located in the boot-partition of the NAND (and thus at a known 
location). Don't ask me too much of the details; its mostly hearsay I repeat ;-)



  

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Re: FOSS GSM security camera?

2011-02-25 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

--- On Fri, 2/25/11, Sam Kuper sam.ku...@uclmail.net wrote:
 Does anyone know of an open source (hardware/software/both)
 GSM
 security cameras? I.e. a device with at least the following
 features:
 
 * Mains powered.
 * Includes rechargeable battery to provide uninterruptible
 power
 supply for several hours in case of mains failure.
 * Can be controlled via SMS.
 * Built-in motion sensor (e.g. passive infra-red).
 * Built-in camera with automatic night-vision (e.g. by
 means of infra-red LEDs).
 * Can be configured to automatically capture photos or
 video from
 camera and send same via MMS to a given list of phone
 numbers, when
 motion is detected.

How about a Freerunner with a webcam connected? Using a modified USB-hub, the 
FR can be powered while controlling the webcam. Debian on FR provides motion 
for doing all kinds of things with the camera.

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Re: QtMoko v31

2011-02-18 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

--- On Fri, 2/18/11, HeaDCase openm...@psychonautical.org wrote:
 Another thing is that after a cold reset (pulling the
 battery for a second)
 the HW clock is reset to 01.01.2000.
That is probably caused by a dried up backup battery. People have replaced it 
with capacitors, see the archives.

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FOSDEM 2011

2011-02-06 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

Hi list,

I just returned from FOSDEM 2011. The GTA04 team had a seat available at the 
boot, so I spend most of my time showing the semi-/demi-populated GTA04-boards 
to the masses, explaining the various uses of the Navigation board, introducing 
even more people to the Openmoko-concept or just refreshing the collective 
memories (oh, is that project still alive? Great!). 

Asthro has been repairing/bug fixing some units, including two of mine, thanks 
a lot again! The openembedded guys and Tux Brains were squeezed in between the 
Openmoko/GTA04 samples and the phone doctor, and came up with the suggestion 
on the mailinglist earlier: lets team up with neighbouring (embedded) projects 
next year and get a room. 

Well, looking back to a great weekend. Nice to see some of you in person!

Best regards,

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openmoko as mouse

2011-02-03 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

Hi List,

I read about Apple -of all companies- trying to run away with an idea that was 
discussed (at least by myself, and probably by others as well) on the mailing 
list as well as off line: 
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20110012838.pdf

It seems to cover using a telephone's touchsreen as the input for another 
system. I would say it's lacks the innovative step necessary for a valid 
patent, but that's probably only the reasoning of sane people. 

Would it be something to worry about?

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Re: some advertising

2011-01-11 Thread W. B. Kranendonk


 --- On Tue, 1/11/11, Sylvain Paré sylvain.p...@gmail.com wrote:
 I did a video today 
Nice :-)

 ps if you don't like/have flash http://pare.sylvain.perso.sfr.fr/video
 /FRvsP2.ogg
Thanks for that!


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Re: QtMoko: Dangerous alarm issue

2011-01-10 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

--- On Mon, 1/10/11, Hrabosh zbyne...@volny.cz wrote:
 do not rely on QtMoko's alarm to wake you up :-)
It was not -by coincidence- the first or second of January? It seems to be a 
common problem with design(ers) phones ;-)

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gestures (on SHR)

2011-01-06 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

Hi List,

Now and again I try using gestures on SHR. I can't seem to get past the initial 
make the gesture after selecting a model and pressing the train button. 

Should the frontend still function as described in the wiki? I started looking 
into the underlying scripts, but haven't found the start or end yet.

I run the latest and up-to-date SHR.

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Gamepad Happy new year! was:Re: QtMoko on N900

2011-01-01 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

Hi List, happy new year all!

I have to agree with Radek, the Freerunner has been my favourite toy for over 
two years now (sometimes to annoyance of the better half in my life ;-) ). Many 
thanks to everyone for making it possible! I am looking forward to another year 
lurking the mailinglist and possibly adding something useful or meeting some of 
you (FOSDEM, anyone?) :-)

Sorry for hijacking this thread so early in its life, but I stuck my nose in 
the public directory listing and found the photo of the gamepads 
(http://activationrecord.net/radekp/pub/gamepad1.jpg). In combination with some 
semi permanent screen protector (as Christoph Pulster offers) it could give all 
kinds of tactile feedback by having skins for different usages. Probable a 
conversation that has been held over twenty times on the lists... Some memories 
get rusty over time ;-)

Best regards,

Boudewijn

--- On Sat, 1/1/11, Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote:

 From: Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz
 Subject: QtMoko on N900
 To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org
 Date: Saturday, January 1, 2011, 6:21 PM
 Hi,
 i have uploaded short video of qtmoko running on nokia
 n900. You can watch it 
 here:
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qv8L_ozdLHE
 
 and few screenshots are here:
 
 http://activationrecord.net/radekp/pub/IMG_1914.JPG
 http://activationrecord.net/radekp/pub/IMG_1915.JPG
 http://activationrecord.net/radekp/pub/IMG_1916.JPG
 
 It's not real port. It's just unpacked v31 that runs in
 chroot with dummy 
 modem device. It took me just 10 minutes and i dont intend
 to spend more time 
 on it, but i hope it can be good starting point for porting
 qtmoko to GTA04, i 
 will most like buy one in early adopter program.
 
 Regards
 
 Radek
 
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Re: Re : Re: accelerometer calibration

2010-12-27 Thread W. B. Kranendonk



--- On Sat, 12/25/10, Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote:
 W. B. Kranendonk wankelwan...@yahoo.com writes:
  I found it after searching for accelerometer-dump, but (the FR)
 Just capture the data on FR but run it on your PC. Like
 
 li...@sauna$ ssh neo cat /dev/accelerometer-top |
 accelerometer-dump
I get that far on my PC :-) 

  Any idea what to do about the diversion? I bought that
 FR second
  hand, and it has had this feature ever since I got
 it.
 
 I guess you could fix it by software but such a fix is
 probably not
 going to be accepted upstream since it is so ugly :-)
 
My coding skills are about the right level for compiling accelerometer-dump.c, 
so I do not think anything I fix is going to get accepted upstream anytime soon 
;-)

Coming back to the initial question, can those accelerometers be calibrated or 
is it a black box that emits (timestamps and) coordinates?


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Re: Re : Re: accelerometer calibration

2010-12-25 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

--- On Sat, 12/25/10, Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote:
 li...@ginger:~$ accelerometer-dump  event4.log | head |
 cut -d ';' -f2-|tr ';' ' '
 x y z
 108 36 900
 144 36 900
 126 36 900
 li...@ginger:~$ accelerometer-dump 
 /dev/accelerometer-top | head | cut -d ';' -f2-|tr ';' ' '
 x y z
 36 0 990
 54 0 972
 36 0 990
 36 18 990
 18 18 1008
 36 18 990
 If I look at the top accelerometer and lift the bottom of
 the phone a
 little and tilt it to the right I get the same readings as
 you.

Would that mean that (one of) the meter(s) is connected at an angle? Are they 
not calibrated in software? 

Is the accelerometer-dump standalone, and do you have a binary version 
available? 

Thanks so far!

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Re: QtMoko v30; UBIFS; can't boot

2010-12-25 Thread W. B. Kranendonk



--- On Sat, 12/25/10, Ivan Matveev imatvee...@nm.ru wrote:
  Trying 
  
  2010-12-06 03:03 qi-v30.udfu
  2010-12-06 02:11 qtmoko-debian-v30.ubi
  2010-12-06 03:03 uImage-v30.bin
  
 I am able to boot with SHR kernel
 uImage-2.6.34-r4-oe15-om-gta02.bin,
 but qpe crashes right after start with SHR kernel.

I have used exactly the same files with no problem (as others did, I guess); 
did you try checksumming/downloading the files once again?

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Re: Re : Re: accelerometer calibration

2010-12-25 Thread W. B. Kranendonk



--- On Sat, 12/25/10, Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote:
 W. B. Kranendonk wankelwan...@yahoo.com
 writes:
  Would that mean that (one of) the meter(s) is
 connected at an angle?
  Are they not calibrated in software?
 
 top and bottom accelerometers are oriented differently
 anyway.
Yes, now you say it I recall reading about it. I actually meant: could it be 
that it is installed at an incorrect angle, i.e. not perpendicular or paralell 
to the case, but slanted.

  Is the accelerometer-dump standalone, and do you have
 a binary version available? 
 
 http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/accelerometer-dump.c
I found it after searching for accelerometer-dump, but (the FR) didn't have gcc 
installed and don't know yet which packages to install to make it useful. At 
least a reason now to dive into figuring that out :-)

Any idea what to do about the diversion? I bought that FR second hand, and it 
has had this feature ever since I got it.

Regards,

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Re: Re : Re: accelerometer calibration

2010-12-25 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

--- On Sat, 12/25/10, Iain B. Findleton ifindle...@videotron.ca wrote:
 The output from
 the chip is quite noisy. 
The problem is not that the signal is not reliable: it is. It is just that it 
is off by a few degrees. 

 There is a script I wrote in TCL
 on the
 SourceForge web site under the fltkwish project page. It
 may give you
 some ideas about that can be done. In my experience, the
 results vary
 depending on which of the chips you use.
I have used the (a?) waterpas before, when there was such a program in the SHR 
repositories. I just had a shot at gravity, but there are some missing 
dependencies. 

It complains about libtcl8.4.so:
# gravity 
fltkwish: error while loading shared libraries: libtcl8.4.so: cannot open 
shared object file: No such file or directory

I tcl, fltk and fltkwish installed and libtcl8.5.so.0 is available
I symlinked it to libtcl8.4.so:
 # ls -latr /usr/lib/libtcl8.*
-r-xr-xr-x1 root root663504 May 29  2010 /usr/lib/libtcl8.5.so.0
lrwxrwxrwx1 root root14 Dec 23 20:17 /usr/lib/libtcl8.4.so 
- libtcl8.5.so.0

Now it aborts with just that:
# gravity 
Aborted

Perhaps another time :-)

 
 Note that on the iPhone, some versions of which used the
 same chip, you
 only get access to the 100/sec samples, 
On a sidenote: long live closed platforms

 The other issues is there was at one time some confusion
 about how the
 driver reported through the event mechanism. I forget the
 details now,
 but working code depended on how up to date your kernel
 was. If you have
 a kernel of recent vintage, should not be an issue.
It's the latest SHR:
# uname -a
Linux om-gta02 2.6.34.7 #1 Sun Dec 5 23:10:39 CET 2010 armv4tl GNU/Linux

I wonder (..doubt..) if the issue is in the software, because it has been like 
this over the last half year or so, with different distro's and no problems on 
the other FR with the same version of a distro.

Thanks for the insight anyway!

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Re: Re : Re: accelerometer calibration

2010-12-24 Thread W. B. Kranendonk


 Le 23 déc. 2010 10:11, Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi 
 a écrit :
 W. B. Kranendonk writes: 
   One of my FRs is dizzy: the accelerometers are off. 
  Can you send a sample of the accelerometer data? (Preferably in
  the binary format that you can read from /dev/input/) 

 On Thu, 12/23/10, sylvain.p...@gmail.com sylvain.p...@gmail.com wrote:
 With a command line like this :
   cat /dev/input/event4 | od -c (or -b or -d dont remember and i am
  not on my laptop)
Thanks for the hint, it would have been my next question I suppose ;-)

I used od -b, which gives octal byte representation: 

0017720  230   ] 022   M 371   H 005  \0 003  \0 001  \0 022  \0  \0  \0
0017740  230   ] 022   M  \0   I 005  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0
0017760  230   ] 022   M 220   m 005  \0 003  \0  \0  \0   ~  \0  \0  \0
002  230   ] 022   M 260   m 005  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0
0020020  230   ] 022   M 035 267 005  \0 003  \0 001  \0   $  \0  \0  \0
0020040  230   ] 022   M   K 267 005  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0
0020060  230   ] 022   M 234  \0 006  \0 003  \0 001  \0 022  \0  \0  \0
0020100  230   ] 022   M 305  \0 006  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0
0020120  230   ] 022   M 234 223 006  \0 003  \0 001  \0   $  \0  \0  \0
0020140  230   ] 022   M 273 223 006  \0 003  \0 002  \0 226 003  \0  \0
0020160  230   ] 022   M 277 223 006  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0
0020200  230   ] 022   M 310 270 006  \0 003  \0 002  \0 204 003  \0  \0
0020220  230   ] 022   M 330 270 006  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0
0020240  230   ] 022   M 231 335 006  \0 003  \0  \0  \0   l  \0  \0  \0
0020260  230   ] 022   M 244 335 006  \0 003  \0 001  \0 022  \0  \0  \0
0020300  230   ] 022   M 254 335 006  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0
0020320  230   ] 022   M 352 001  \a  \0 003  \0  \0  \0   ~  \0  \0  \0
0020340  230   ] 022   M 031 002  \a  \0 003  \0 001  \0   $  \0  \0  \0
0020360  230   ] 022   M 037 002  \a  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0
0020400  230   ] 022   M   4   p  \a  \0 003  \0 001  \0 022  \0  \0  \0
0020420  230   ] 022   M   b   p  \a  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0



Is that useful? This is while the FR is lying flat on its back. I haven't 
compared it to output from the other FR yet.

Best regards,

Boudewijn



  

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Re: Re : Re: accelerometer calibration

2010-12-24 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

--- On Sat, 12/25/10, Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote:
 W. B. Kranendonk wankelwan...@yahoo.com
 writes:
  Is that useful? 
 Raw binary output would be a lot easier to parse.
 
Lying on its back again, cat /dev/input/event4  event4.log

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accelerometer calibration

2010-12-23 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

Hi List,

One of my FRs is dizzy: the accelerometers are off. 

Using mokomaze as testing tool for the time being, the ball runs off to the top 
right if I put it flat on the table (imagine my furniture not too fashionable - 
that is: the table surface is horizontal ;-))

I can keep the ball from running of by lifting the right side by 15 deg and the 
top by about 5 deg.

On the wiki there is sparse mention of accelerometer calibration; is it 
possible at all or does it have a different name?

Best regards,

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Re: [ANN]: GTA04 (Beagleboard inspired Openmoko Upgrade) - Early Adpoter Program

2010-12-22 Thread W. B. Kranendonk



--- On Wed, 12/22/10, Alfa21 freerun...@my.is.it wrote:
  -[ Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 09:58:06AM +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller 

 (always innovating)
 (or at least keep open the possibility to connect any
 external bigger display and standard keyboard)

That reminds me... The BeagleBoard can provide up to 1280*1024 or 1280*720 if I 
recall correctly. Do we have options to channel that power out of the box? 
Nikolaus already stated that it should be possible to switch LCD's; does that 
make it possible to redirect that information to a connector that can be hooked 
up to such a bigger display? While writing I realize I'm asking for something 
that's not worth the effort ;-)

Does anyone know a little box that does export high resolution to a monitor and 
could get its processing power over the network, read from GTA04? Think thin 
client, but then thinner :-)

Regards,

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Re: [ANN]: GTA04 (Beagleboard inspired Openmoko Upgrade) - Early Adpoter Program

2010-12-22 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

--- On Wed, 12/22/10, Alfa21 freerun...@my.is.it wrote:
 2010-12...@14:21 W. B. Kranendonk
  That reminds me... The BeagleBoard can provide up to
 1280*1024 or 1280*720 if I recall correctly. Do we have
 options to channel that power out of the box? Nikolaus
 why not??
 If all we need is a piece of copper (w/o logic inside)
 cable... today we have many tv-set with hdmi, dvi, vga ports
 all around us! we could go in any hotel and use that
 tv-screen and feel like at home with our mobile computing!
I am aware of the screens all around us, the point seems to me getting the wire 
out of the box. Could it be redirected to the USB-paths, so that the 
USB-connector became a DVI-disguised-as-USB? It doesn't have the amount of 
wires needed, so the available wires had to be multiplexed. In the 
USB-to-DVI/HDMI/WE(whatever)-converter the signals have to be demuxt again. 

Would the cameraconnector (the extra connection to the back of the phone) 
allow for this kind of signalling?  

 (for the mouse we have an LCD touchpad hehe)
I hope to develop some programming skills, and make an allmightymouse out of 
our phone: (2D/3D) acceleration instead of a ball/led and mouse buttons 
onscreen. Later on with button profiles per application. Don't hold your breath 
though..;-)

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Re: [ANN]: GTA04 (Beagleboard inspired Openmoko Upgrade) - Early Adpoter Program

2010-12-21 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

Hallo Nikolaus,

--- On Tue, 12/21/10, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org wrote:
 we are happy that we can make an announcement to the Free
 and
 Open Hardware Community, right in time for X-mas and New
 Year:
I am happy to read it! Congratulations!

 So we are very confident that the already scheduled
 redesign
 (GTA04A3) will work right from the beginning and boot
 Linux.
(http://download.goldelico.com/gta04/images/MOV00714.mov)
It's alive!! Haha, in fact it seems quite reminiscant of a nuclear whiteout 
followed by a blackout (emphasized by the post-apocalyptic style of the 
recording appliance shown in the reflection of the screen) ;-) 

 -- next steps --
 In this mode, you may deduce, that you will not be able to
 (...) run out of money before.
I hate that too :-(

 -- early adopter program --
 
 Therefore, we have thought hat we offer an early adoper
 program to the benefit of everybody.
 
 The idea is that you can order a GTA04A3 immediately. 
(...)
 and if everything looks ok, we will produce your early
 adopter devices. Only in the case that the A3 board has
 another
 serious flaw, we will have to design a GTA04A4 board
 first.
You will test two way voice communication, will you? I keep receiving 
complaints about echo/buzz (indeed, haven't applied fix ...)

 estimate delivery of the first units by March 2011.
After wetting the appetite during FOSDEM ...

 (there are not all
 peripherals installed but UMTS and GPS will be). It might
 be possible to retrofit some of them.
I am quite interested, but a bit hesitant for missing goodies. Do you have some 
(closer) estimate about what's missing and what which of those things are 
retrofittable? 

 And, come to FOSDEM 2011 to see and touch a GTA04
 and discuss with us about this new gadget.
:-)

 We wish you all merry christmas and a happy new year.
Same to you and the team!


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Re: [e-users] Someone is trying to patent Quickwriting

2010-11-23 Thread W. B. Kranendonk



--- On Tue, 11/23/10, Daniele Ricci daniele.ath...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 21:01, Bryan
 Petty etie...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  A patent (6031525) was already filed
 for
  Quickwriting in 1999/2000:
  http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6031525.html
 
 The
 patent office
 will realize it on its own, right?

There's sarcasm in that question, isn't there? Usually the patent office 
doesn't know or (bother to?) find out. 

The applicant for a duplicate patent also does not want to know or find out, 
because in that case they can be hold for triple damages in case of a complaint 
from the original patent holder.

For similar reasons there is little incentive for the original inventor to 
raise a flag before the other becomes successful: it takes trouble with 
probably little returns. It is worth much more in damages to complain after the 
(so called) copycat became successful.

Good luck with this quest!

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Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-11-14 Thread W. B. Kranendonk



--- On Sat, 11/13/10, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote:
 (one series of problems)
 
 We could solve that by adding a jump start resistor.
 
 Then, we soldered the OMAP3530 and Pop Memory chip and
 connected RS232:
 
     http://download.goldelico.com/gta04/images/DSC00679.jpg
 
 It did identify itself as 40W on the RS232 (...) must fit into 64k SRAM 
 built into
 the OMAP
 chip. So we are back to C64 times :)
 
 With this tool, we could identify that the (external) SDRAM
 (...) quite a long lead time. For the series version this will be
 very easy to fix.
 
Un-be-lievable! Your updates read as detectives, I am looking forward to seeing 
the plot revolving and coming to a good end :-) 

Thanks again!

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Re: Address the WM8753 directly

2010-11-10 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

--- On Wed, 11/10/10, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote:
 From: Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk
  The ultimate goal is to make a FR to FR modem
 conection, using the GSM
  voice band.
 
 Why? Is this just to see whether it's possible, or how bad
 the voice channel 
 is as a data connection when compared to the data channel?

I can imagine using such a solution on a flatfee subscribtion that does not 
include data traffic. Just don't tell me you want to use the resulting 
connection for VoIP :-P

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Re: [gta04-devel] Fwd: FOSDEM 2011 Devroom on SHR/FSO declined

2010-10-31 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

--- On Sun, 10/31/10, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de 
 Am Sonntag, den 31.10.2010, 10:48 +0100 schrieb David Lanzendörfer:
  Seems as we lost our devroom after all.
 
 Not surprising. That we got it last year was an exception
 thanks to
 Xorg not being able to fill in their slot. Unfortunately
 FOSDEM
 organizers fail to realize the importance of mobile
 technologies, 
Such a pity. I enjoyed the presentations as well as the audience last year 
(wow, are ALL those people fiddling with my phone as well :-) )

  Sadly our project is still to small to get a room or
 so.
  Dunno.
  Mickey? Nikolaus? Do you wanna hold your presentation
 after all?
Last FOSDEM was my first, making me not too familiar with the organisation of 
the event. I did notice that though we occupied a couple of buildings, others 
were not in use. Would it be an option to organize a shadow-event nearby? Is 
one of us living near there? Perhaps the Brussel Hackerspace is willing to 
provide room outside FOSDEM-hours? It shouldn't be too far from the main FOSDEM 
event, so there's at least a remote chance of pulling some not-OM-visitors to 
the event. If there's interest in organizing something like that, I volunteer 
to make phonecalls or send mails after receiving some pointers where to look 
for room.

 (...) the program of the embedded room
 seems to be
 fixed to buildsystems, C libraries, and kernel tweakings
 for years now.
Well, it's FOS-, not FOHWDEM. I hope it will shift towards open hardware more 
and more (there were the RepRap, Arduino and Beagleboard besides OM, perhaps 
others I didn't notice)

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Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-26 Thread W. B. Kranendonk



--- On Tue, 10/26/10, Alfa21 freerun...@my.is.it wrote:
 mmh...
 why not include the button(s) in the same mould?
 it could be a shape like a C= attached to the main shape by
 a little plastic
That's what he (Nicolaus) wrote: 
  Yes. Some parts could be combined in a single mould and then broken 
  apart. Like in toys
  where you do it yourself. But this does not reduce mould 
  construction cost.

 for the light of our leds we could make grids and holes...
Grids and holes attract dust of course, and a transparent shield on top of a 
led is one more shape to produce :-( 

 or we could also do an all transparent case (I'd love to see
 trough to view the electronic inside)
I'm not so into plastics, how is the choice of transparent plastics? Thinking 
of transparent via glass to (capacitive touch)screens... Front and back same 
size touch screen and in between just enough plastic to cover all the 
electronics does not guarantee design, does it?

And for the buttons; capacitive is an option (although... we have them on our 
washing machine and my wife has to do the washing: the buttons do not react to 
my fingers :-( ) but there are those strain sensors used in electronic balances 
that measure tension and compression in a material. Would they be usable to 
imply buttons by squeezing the phone or applying torque to it?

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Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-26 Thread W. B. Kranendonk



--- On Tue, 10/26/10, Andreas Fischer cyberf...@gmx.net wrote:
 On 26.10.2010 12:14, Dr. H. Nikolaus
 Schaller wrote:
 
  How many new cases would you and your friends buy if
 it costs:
  * 20 EUR
  * 50 EUR
  * 100 EUR
  * 200 EUR
 
 (...) 20 Euros is
 a no-brainer (...)
 50 Euros still sound ok to me. Anything above 100 Euros
 seems to be a
 bit steep for me.

I agree on the 20 and 50 euro options, when talking just about the case. When 
talking about (fictive) 350E for a complete phone, that seems OK if you don't 
know that it's 150 for electronics and 200 for the case.

Over 100E might be steep for only the case, but combined with the foundation 
idea Nikolaus launched it might get interesting: 
*  20 E
*  50 E
* 100 E and one share in the Opencase foundation
* 200 E and two shares in the Opencase foundation
or a similar scheme. In case (no pun intended) we use a production method that 
scales well, the average case price will lower over time and after a break even 
the foundation could pay the shareholders. Probably gives loads of headaches in 
administration, but could be an option :-)

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Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-26 Thread W. B. Kranendonk



--- On Tue, 10/26/10, Ed Kapitein e...@kapitein.org wrote:
 Since it seems so hard to have a custom made case, why not
 use an
 existing case for a HTC, nokia, iphone or the like?
 (or a chinese replica)
 The layout of the PCB needs to be alltered ofcourse, but it
 seems that
 it might be an easier thing to do.

It depends on the model, I think. I was looking for a new case (with the paint 
still on) for a Motorola A780, but they still cost $80 (which is quite steep 
for having the paint back...)

I never looked for other cases; would there be any trademark/copyright issues? 
Perhaps we should look for the case of an open phone, like.. ehr... yes, like 
which phone ;-)

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Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-25 Thread W. B. Kranendonk


--- On Sat, 10/23/10, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote:
 Well, an alternative approach could be to open a funds for
 a new injection mould. I.e.
 a Openmoko Case Production Foundation (or German e.V.).
 Everyone who gives
 some money for the funds can buy cases at a reduced rate.
 And everyone can buy a case.
It sounds as a viable alternative.

 An injection mould costs somewhere around 20-100 k EUR. So
 if we get
 300 community members to donate 100 EUR into the funds...
A friend of mine used to be in the injection mould business; he designed and 
produced the moulds in Vietnam.
I asked if he got some advice or an idea what the cost would be. I showed him 
my freerunner as example of where we come from. His input:
- nice design (@freerunner)
- moulds at 0.2 mm precision are not a problem, 0.1 mm requires more effort
- depending on design, moulds start at some 6000 euro (or dollar, slipped my 
mind)
- one case needs more than one mould
- besides Vietnam, Czech is another country that can provide moulds at 
competitive prices

Cases like that of the Freerunner, with more than one plastic, need more than 
one mould per piece. To say more of the price, it is necessary to have the 
design available. The most affordable option he says, would be to reuse 
Openmoko's mould if it is available.

All in all nothing conclusive or very new I guess, but I liked to give the 
input anyway.
 
Best regards,

Boudewijn


  

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Re: pisi calendar sync over caldav?

2010-10-25 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

 Well. Sry. I'm atm busy with building a RepRap (Huxley)
 
Good luck with the reprap :-)


  

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Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-25 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

  - besides Vietnam, Czech is another country that can
 provide moulds at competitive prices
  
  Cases like that of the Freerunner, with more than one
 plastic, need more than one mould per piece. To say more of
 the price, it is necessary to have the design available.
 The
 
 Maybe you can ask your friend if he has some contacts to
 Czech companies (which would be EU
I will probably meet him next weekend and ask. I will let you know.

 have the CAD files of the original Freerunner.
On the wiki, of course. I had a closer look at the exploded view of the FR/Neo; 
there's an awful lot of layers involved. Three(!) just for the backplane, 
that's about three times as many as I expected two days ago :-/
The image even seems to miss the outer cover of the middle part (the rubbery 
layer on top of the casing that holds the bulk of the phone and the buttons and 
such)

  most affordable option he says, would be to reuse
 Openmoko's mould if it is available.
 
 Yes, I discussed that approach with Sean for quite a while
 and his team worked
 heavily on it (TNX :). But they don't own or have the
 moulds in their hands.
Funny how those things go... They'll be in FIC's hands then, I'd guess. They 
do not seem to be in phone/MID business anymore so there's no competitive 
(dis)advantage to worry about, and even if they were, I can imagine they'd 
start all over and design something different. Meaning those moulds are 
gathering dust somewhere on a shelf. Well, just pondering; it doesn't get us 
closer to a case ;-)

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Re: [GTA04] When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-10-21 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

The board looks great! Quite professional ;-)

 My (probably
 naive) impression
  is that you're only missing the case plastics to
 provide a complete GTA4
  phone.
The LCD comes in handy at times, was my first thought...

 Most of the parts are here:
 http://www.handheld-
 linux.com/wiki.php?page=Accessoriesreferer=Neo%20Freerunner
 
 Not sure if the button plastics are included in the middle
 part or not. Not 
 sure about the vibrator either, but everything else looks
 to be available, at 
 least in limited quantities. 

Yep, I see the vibrator on the photo:
http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Neo%20Freerunner%3ASpare%20Parts

and the LCD is also listed :-)


  

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Re: let's launch a FR into space

2010-10-19 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

  Would a FR be able to connect to GSM cells from 30km
 above
  ground?
 
 I don't know but would doubt it from theory.
 
 Antennas [directed at] earth's surface.
 
I second the theory. How about wifi? Line of sight should not be a problem on a 
cloudles day...  The baloon could be shaped as a directional antenna when 
covering the top half in a reflective coating. An amateur radio telescope could 
use a wifi dongle as receiver and track the baloon as it rises into space.

 (...)
Hahaha, plug nav-board ;-)

  Has anyone ever tried video streaming from the FR?
 
 The first questions is how to connect a camera.
USB-hub?


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Re: let's launch a FR into space

2010-10-19 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

  Would a FR be able to connect to GSM cells from 30km
 above
  ground?
 
 I don't know but would doubt it from theory.
 
 Antennas [directed at] earth's surface.
 
I second the theory. How about wifi? Line of sight should not be a problem on a 
cloudles day...  The baloon could be shaped as a directional antenna when 
covering the top half in a reflective coating. An amateur radio telescope could 
use a wifi dongle as receiver and track the baloon as it rises into space.

 (...)
Hahaha, plug nav-board ;-)

  Has anyone ever tried video streaming from the FR?
 
 The first questions is how to connect a camera.
USB-hub?


Regards,

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Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid - was: [Community Updates] 2010-08-01 is out

2010-10-13 Thread W. B. Kranendonk



--- On Wed, 10/13/10, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote:
 Again good news:
 
 we have won one of the new PandaBoards (OMAP4 / ARM Coretx ()


Congratulations!


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Re: Broken AUX :-(

2010-09-16 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

--- On Thu, 9/16/10, jeremy jozwik jerjoz.for...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:37 PM,
 Christ van Willegen cvwille...@gmail.com wrote:
  I think I broke my AUX button tonight.
 
  Is there anyone who can fiox this?
 
 how about i trade you my working AUX switch if you give me
 your
 working microSD reader?
 

Don't tell me you guys dropped your Freerunner with the USB-cable connected 
while you were still sleepy?!




  

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Re: My N900 experience compared to my FR experience

2010-09-15 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

--- On Wed, 9/15/10, Brolin Empey bro...@brolin.be wrote:
 (...) probably close to 2 hours writing this message.

I do not want to feed the trolls nor intend to hijack this thread, but I seem 
to have missed the mention of a Freerunner?

Besides that, I can recognize you put a lot of effort into writing the essay. I 
can't remember another message to this list that comes close to half the 
character count of yours ;-)

Good luck with your Freerunner!

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Re: Happy Programmers' Day!

2010-09-13 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

 Am 13.09.2010 um 10:44 schrieb Patryk Benderz:
  Best wishes to all of you guys writing code or filing
 bug reports for
  FreeRunner devices! :)
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programmer_Day
 From: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com
 Good idea!
 We should have and celebrate that day in other countries as
 well :)


Indeed! Best wishes everyone and happy holiday for the happy few in Россия!




  

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Re: ANN: Freerunner Navigation Board v2 is finally available

2010-09-12 Thread W. B. Kranendonk


--- On Sun, 9/12/10, Christoph Mair m...@chonyota.net wrote:
 after lots of hard work I'm happy to announce that the
 Freerunner Navigation
 Board v2 is finally available! 

It looks great, congratulations!

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OpenWRT with WPA

2010-09-02 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

Hi List,

I am trying to use OpenWRT with my WPA access point. I can't figure out whether 
there's anything on board in the standard image to support WPA protected 
connections.

Opkg gives wpa_supplicant, but it is not available for Freerunner 
(architecture). The same goes for some other packages at openwrt, though it 
does update via the s3c24xx branch (/trunk?)[1]. 

Should I --force-architecture, if it were available in opkg? (I can't find it, 
though.) The architecture it does print is:
r...@openwrt:~# opkg print_installation_architecture
arch all 1
arch noarch 1
arch arm 10

If not, is the solution to compile wpa_supplicant on the Freerunner for 
OpenWRT? It seems at least libgcc is installed, but I do not see how to call 
it: make is not available for this architecture. 

Did anyone connect to a secured access point with OpenWRT on their Freerunner? 
How?


[1] http://downloads.openwrt.org/snapshots/trunk/s3c24xx/packages/Packages.gz


  

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Re: Freerunner - small and fast distribution only for GPS

2010-08-31 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

--- On Mon, 8/30/10, Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote:
 On Sunday 29 August 2010 16:03:39
 Carsten Gerlach wrote:
 
  What would be a good starting distro? I would take
(...)
 openwrt. It's very 
 very small and the build process is very easily
 configurable with menuconfig.

I second OpenWRT. The image available for Freerunner is very light and fast 
(didn't clock it, but perhaps just over half a minute for booting?). 

It is usable as phone since it's so responsive (it wakes up before the caller 
loses patience and hangs up). It leaves more than enough resources for 
(Tango)GPS. 

Only two things I have a problem with, are lack of capital letters (!) and GPRS 
in the default image (or anyway, I couldn't figure those out).

Give it a try!

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Re: Freerunner - small and fast distribution only for GPS

2010-08-31 Thread W. B. Kranendonk


--- On Tue, 8/31/10, Carsten Gerlach daswaldh...@gmx.de wrote:
 Thanks for this hint to openWRT. But i have problems to get
 a connection over 
 wifi to the internet. I did read the wiki (...)
 
 How can I solve this?

I intended to give a hand, but I can't find the uSD with OpenWRT anymore to try 
it out. I downloaded and flashed anew, but now I do not even manage to get a 
connection to my Freerunner :-( 

Perhaps my problem at the moment is similar to yours but the other way around; 
my network here is in the 192.168.1.x range, and I might have addedd incorrect 
routes to 192.168.1.1 that the Freerunner occupies now.

As suggested in another reply, what does ip route say? 


  

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Re: [SHR] toolchain (again)

2010-08-20 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

--- On Fri, 8/20/10, Thomas Zimmermann m...@vdm-design.de wrote:
 (...) 8Gb ram) and downloads about 15Gb of data, so a more
 powerfull machine then 
 your laptop would be good.
Hahah... The harddisk is 20GB.. I lend my desktop (with about 3GHz single core 
AMD a bit more up to date) to my sister... Perhaps she likes a new laptop ;-) 

 If you don't have another PC you can come to the
 #openmoko-devel IRC channel, 
 perhaps we can find a solution for you.
Budget allowing, there's a new laptop coming later this year (yahoo!). Time 
allowing I'll join the channel, thanks!

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Re: [SHR] toolchain (again)

2010-08-20 Thread W. B. Kranendonk



 it is not the right way to do it but you may try
 downloading the old
 OM toolchain, replace the opkg sources (then opkg-target
 upgrade) with
 the shr ones and pray :). I think for a first start in the
 SHR world
 until you have your new laptop it could work maybe.

Praying is not my strongest, let alone most used, talent, but I'll give it a 
try for starters ;-) 

Boudewijn


  

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Re: [SHR] toolchain (again)

2010-08-20 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

 And fresh new SHR toolchain:
 http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/sdk/
And fresh it is! Long live SSH, allowing me to run it on a remote desktop 
(should have thought of that before :-) )

Downloaded the files and now extracting to /usr/local/shr/* 

Am I correct in understanding that I can follow the openmoko wiki with those 
toolchains? (shr--20100820-x86_64-linux-armv4t-linux-gnueabi-toolchain + extras)

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Re: [SHR] toolchain (again)

2010-08-20 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

--- On Fri, 8/20/10, Martin Jansa martin.ja...@gmail.com wrote:
 angstrom-next is using almost the same toolchain as we're,
(...)
 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/narcissus
 sdk toolchain options are shown only after switching to
 advanced options, 
 but there is no option for angstrom-next..

Ha, but there IS an option for A780 and SmartQ :-)

By the way, thanks for on demand toolchain creation!

Boudewijn


  

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[SHR] toolchain (again)

2010-08-19 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

Hi List,

I'd like to start trying to contribute to the Openmoko-ecosystem in a more 
meaningful manner than lurking the mailinglists.

I also like to see if I can add my own twist to my phone (running SHR-U). I 
imagined combining those two wishes by getting a toolchain running and see what 
happens to the code I put through it.

Now I found that the wiki [1] is quite specific about telling me what my needs 
are. I do not want to do (b) System Integration and customizing a 
distribution, so I probably want (a), just the single application.

The wiki shows how to set up a toolchain for 2008.8, or that is where the 
example link for libraries points to. There's an unstable branch [2] as well, 
but I susbpect it's not SHR-U.

There was a request on the community list earlier [3], referring to the 
shr-user list and a ticket [4] on the SHR-track. The ticket does not (yet) give 
me insight in how to get a (minimal) toolchain for building my own programs for 
SHR, but it reminded me to have a look on the SHR site.

On the SHR wiki [5], the curve seems opposite to what it is on the Openmoko 
wiki: getting started with a single application requires more setup than 
building the distribution.

I am a little confused and actually, close to a year ago I intended to take the 
plunge as well but got stuck following the SHR-guide. Since my laptop (PIII 
700MHz, 256Meg) is not the fastest beast (actually almost gets beaten by the 
modern architecture found in my Freerunner), I remember some steps took 
overnight to complete.

After this lengthy introduction, can it be confirmed that the instructions on 
the SHR wiki have recently worked, and is there a reasonable chance that I will 
get through it just following the pictures? So far, just browsing, the 
instructions seem quite solid (thumbs up! :-) ) 

Oh, I'm running (L)Ubuntu 10.04, with half of the instructions on the Openmoko 
wiki completed.

Thanks in advance!

Boudewijn



[1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain#Introduction
[2] http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/om-gta02/
[3] http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td4115109
[4] http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/764
[5] http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Getting%20started%20developing%20SHR


  

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Re: [SHR] X forwarding: export DISPLAY?

2010-08-18 Thread W. B. Kranendonk


--- On Wed, 8/18/10, Niels Heyvaert nielsheyva...@hotmail.com wrote:
 This looks like a pretty comprehensive how-to.
  
 Anyone documenting this on the Wiki?
 
I benefited most of the conversation, so I had a look on the wiki and searched 
for ssh $DISPLAY forward, which gave some 40 (not always relevant) results; 
the $ and capitals are not taken in account. ssh $DISPLAY X11 forwarding 
narrowed it down to 9 results, still no useful page to update.

Since disabling X11 forwarding in the default sshd config seems SHR specific, I 
had a look in the SHR manual.

I'd put it under networking, but the networking chapter is divided into media: 
USB/Wifi/GPRS (and Bluetooth seperately). 

Would it be useful to have a chapter deamons defaults? Having just SSH in the 
middle is not in line with the structure of the manual. 

I had a look at the USB-networking page, but the issue is not specific to USB 
networking. 

A seperate page might lack context, so Any suggestions? 

Boudewijn


  

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Re: [SHR] X forwarding: export DISPLAY?

2010-08-18 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

--- On Wed, 8/18/10, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote:
 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak d...@dosowisko.net wrote:
  Maybe we should enable it by default? Are there any
 disadventages?
 
 +5 for this.
 I think OM20x distros had it enabled by default, possibly
 also debian
 based distros. And it was good.
 Enabling it by default sound's like a good idea to me.
 
There's my excuse for not checking the sshd config upfront: it never required 
any sweat from my side to have X forwarded via SSH. I agree with enabling it as 
default. 

Does it cause perhaps some overhead in day-to-day SSH usage, when not making 
use of the forwarding?

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[SHR] X forwarding: export DISPLAY?

2010-08-17 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

Hi list and readers,

I am trying to figure out how to export my display when using ssh -Y (or X). 

The only hint I found was a thread (exactly) a year ago (let's celebrate and 
make 15-8 ssh -Y-day ;-) ): X forwarding doesn't work (*)

I have been fiddling with it time and again over the past months, but I still 
can not get my applications to export to my laptop.

Some things I tried:
- take the whole export DISPLAY in /etc/profile away
- connect only to start the application 
- old fashioned xhost + and export DISPLAY on Freerunner

At best (or worst) the application opens on the Freerunner. Then there are 
various degrees of stranding on the way to the display of my laptop

The output is quite clear:
(vala-terminal:2759): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: 

There is no display set. This is with the default /etc/profile (DISPLAY=:0). I 
tried setting it manually to point to the freerunner, to no avail. Xauth does 
not list any displays, while there is a display on my laptop (how handy..)


Any suggestion?

Boudewijn


(*) http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg51198.html

PS: after sending the mail and not receiving it in my mailbox, I delved into 
that first. It turns out I have been subscribed to the devel-list for years, 
while I thought I was reading the community list. Also explains why I was 
surprised at the subjects in the community-archives that escaped my attention 
by mail. So much for detective skills...


  

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Re: [SHR] X forwarding: export DISPLAY?

2010-08-17 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

--- On Tue, 8/17/10, Xavier Cremaschi omega.xav...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Xavier Cremaschi omega.xav...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [SHR] X forwarding: export DISPLAY?
 To: community@lists.openmoko.org
 Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 4:10 PM
 Basically, you need

 a computer with :
 - a working X server (mainly Xorg)
 - a working ssh client with -X option (mainly
 openssh-client)
 (Note for working X server on cygwin : be sure to launch
 xterm, not the
 basic tty)

 a Freerunner with :
 - a working X client (the app you want to launch, tangogps
 for example)
 - a working ssh server with X11Forwarding yes in its
 config (for
 openssh-server it's in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, be sure to
 restart ssh
 server after any modification to this file)

 Then give us any error you can see while doing your ssh
 -X.

 On the freerunner, and after a ssh -X, $DISPLAY should NOT
 be :
     localhost:0
 because it's the X server of the freerunner, but it should
 be something
 like :
     localhost:10.0
 which is where ssh server listen to transmit your display
 data to ssh
 client.

 Xavier.

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Re: [SHR] X forwarding: export DISPLAY?

2010-08-17 Thread W. B. Kranendonk


--- On Tue, 8/17/10, Gerald A geraldabli...@gmail.com wrote:
(an elaborate help on asking help, as below)
Thanks Gerald for your extensive suggestions! I think my problem is solved, but 
for the record I'll update my problem description.


 One thing would be more information in your problem report. I think you 
 are trying to start an X client on your FR and have the output come to 
 your desktop, but that isn't 100% clear. Always describe what you are 
 trying to do, in simple terms (eg: I'd like to start xmines on my FR 
 and have it show up on my Desktop).
I'm trying to configure claws mail, but the resolution of the FR is too low to 
see where I make a mistake. If I could export it to my laptop, I can see what I 
am typing. 

 Next, I'm unclear how you are connecting between your FR and your 
 Desktop. USB cable? Ethernet? Intervening device(s)? Wifi? Mind meld? :)
Without actually using different connections as a way of troubleshoot, I have 
in the meantime tried it over GPRS, Wifi and a direct USB connection (Wifi and 
USB with two laptops each). Each time it was an encrypted connection (using ssh 
-Y or ssh -X from the laptop to the phone).

 You reference DISPLAY, and even give us a pretty good error message. 
 But without some of the above info, it'll be harder to know what is 
 going on.
I see that now.

 It would also help if you let us know your approx. skill level. 
 (eg: While I'm a Ubuntu GUI guru, I'm a newbie at getting X working 
 between different machines).
Both are about average I guess (mostly while in my direct surroundings there's 
noone to compare to).

 Now, I have the older 1973 (pre-FR), and it's been a while since I 
 hacked on it. But if memory serves, I was able to get X working with the 
 right settings.
I used to have it running fine, quite a while ago. (My memory does serve so 
far, but does not have any date (or year, for that matter) related to it.)


 I'll assume a few things -- that you are directly connecting to the FR 
 (no other devices in the middle), and that there is no encryption. In 
 that case, you probably need 2 things. First, is the correct DISPLAY 
 setting. This is usually DISPLAY=hostname:0.0, where hostname = 
 desktop's hostname. Second, you have to either xhost or xauth your 
 FR, something like xhost +freerunnerhostname. Now, I don't know if 
 there is some FR specific issue or distro problem that
 might be affecting the FR/FR OS, so your mileage may vary. But, feel 
 free to try out the above suggestion and let us know if it works, and if 
 it doesn't, please answer some of the other questions above.
I think it turned out (see Dirk's mail) that the default settings in SHR are no 
X forwarding for sshd.

 Hope this helps,
It does, in some sort of meta-manner. If you can spare the time, would the 
updated problem definition provide enough information or should it contain 
something else? My current problem is solved, but it might help me describe 
another in the future.

Thanks again!

Boudewijn


  

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Fw: Re: [SHR] X forwarding: export DISPLAY?

2010-08-17 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

excuse me for going through the mailing lists for dummies stage... This mail is 
for community, not just for Dirk :-) 

 From: W. B. Kranendonk wankelwan...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [SHR] X forwarding: export DISPLAY?
 To: Dirk Gassen shrd...@dirkgassen.com
 Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 4:32 PM
 --- On Tue, 8/17/10, Dirk Gassen
 shrd...@dirkgassen.com
 wrote:
  Can you check your sshd config? Seems
  like the current default doesn't have X forwarding
 enabled.
  In
   /etc/ssh/sshd_config
  change the line
   #X11Forwarding no
  to
   X11Forwarding yes

 Indeed! The option is not active. I've enabled it and set
 it to yes, but no opportunity to test at the moment, other
 than ssh -Y localhost, which actually opens another
 vala-terminal on my FR ;-) 
  echo $DISPLAY
 gives me
  localhost:10.0
 so that seems in order.

 Thanks!

 Boudewijn

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Re: [SHR] X forwarding: export DISPLAY?

2010-08-17 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

... and this one should have some answer, before sending it.. (do I already 
have a monopoly on this list? Sorry for spamming)

 --- On Tue, 8/17/10, Xavier Cremaschi omega.xav...@gmail.com
  a computer with :
  - a working X server (mainly Xorg)
  - a working ssh client with -X option (mainly
  openssh-client)
OK 

  a Freerunner with :
  - a working X client (the app you want to launch,
 tangogps
  for example)
  - a working ssh server with X11Forwarding yes in
That was the culprit!

  On the freerunner, and after a ssh -X, $DISPLAY should
 NOT
  be :
      localhost:0
It is 10.0 now :-)


Thankyou and the others for the quick replies!

Boudewijn


  

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Re: [SHR] X forwarding: export DISPLAY?

2010-08-17 Thread W. B. Kranendonk



--- On Tue, 8/17/10, Xavier Cremaschi omega.xav...@gmail.com wrote:
 - if you use kdm or xdm, I don't know :S
I recall having edited /etc/kde/kdmrc to set XDMCP to true instead of false, 
and Xacces (in /etc/X11?) to get XDMCP between laptop and desktop, but too long 
ago to recall the details ;-)


 If you want to control the freerunner desktop from your PC,
 you could
 use vnc.
 On the freerunner you start x11vnc :
     faraway$   x11vnc
 but NOT from a ssh -X, you don't want any redirection
 here.
I thought about that, but I am not sure how to use VNC at a higher resolution 
than the host. My goal was to use the higher resolution of the laptop screen, 
so VNC was not an option. Still, thanks for the suggestion :-)

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Re: order from Pulster

2008-07-21 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

--- On Mon, 7/21/08, Christoph Pulster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The stock (..)new delivery on 15.08. (..)
Thanks for the update. Does it mean that the 25.07 stock has been sold out as 
well?

I also only got the automatic reply so far. Is there a way to find out whether 
one is on the 25.07 or 15.08 list?

Kind regards,

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Re: Reason for GPS problems found!

2008-07-15 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

--- On Tue, 7/15/08, Olivier Migeot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Maybe we should only insert the card once the fix is
 acquired. At
 least at times where we want to use both GPS and SD. Not
 much of a
 solution, 

It takes removal of the battery to insert the SD, so it's a bit of a cumbersome 
solution indeed ;-)


  

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Number of shipped devices

2008-07-02 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

Hi all,

Is there information on the number of produced, tested and shipped devices? 

Is that information public, or is it sensitive in some way? I was triggered by 
Pulster having sold out for this month, and wondered how demand and supply line 
up.

Any comments?


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Re: Slashdot post but no web store?

2008-06-27 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

--- On Fri, 6/27/08, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

(...troll-hunting/killing...)
 
 To me he looks quite trollish.

I think so too, but thanks for the in depth and clear reply!

Boudewijn


  

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Re: bluetooth proximity

2008-06-18 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

--- On Mon, 6/16/08, Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 AVee wrote:
   (...) There are a lot of reasons
  why this is not feasible. Sorry. 
  
  I tend to agree, however, things might change if you
 add gps. You'd might just (...) That leaves only the
 'exact measurement' to be 
  solved.
  
  It might work, but the precision will probably still
 be far to low to be 
  useable for anything.

 (absolute position...) But the 
 relative position should be extremely high. (As high as
 DGPS can get)
 
 At least in theory.

Thanks for thinking along.

What I was thinking of, in a game setting, to use the phone as some sort of 
hack  slash device. Given my opponent and me are withing reasonable proximity, 
she with -say- a spear-device, me with a sword or so. She could try stabbing 
me, while I parry. The devices have to calculate the hit ratio.

Would a sound-code offer a possible solution? Could we measure some doppler 
effect with the built in microphone?

And, on a side note... How impact proof will the phone be, might she try 
throwing her spear? :-P




  

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Re: tossing contacts / bluetooth proximity

2008-06-18 Thread W. B. Kranendonk


 (Macross tossing...) 
 Would be a cool application of the gesture project.   The
 receiver would
 have to catch, not exactly at the same time, in order to
 confirm
 receipt. 
 
 Possibly incompatible with consumption of buttered
 toast.

Hey, that app would also enable my opponent to throw her spear!

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Re: Possible Camera

2008-06-18 Thread W. B. Kranendonk


 just expressing my interest in this thread.
Replying for the same reason. 

I was comparing the phone with the PCB,
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Menu9.jpg with
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gta02a5_pcba_cs.JPG ,
and it seems that there is quite not a lot of space left.

The site got a link to such a nice datasheet 
(http://www.sparkfun.com/datasheets/Sensors/Imaging/TCM8240MD.pdf); it seems 
not up to date though: the last page (30) states:
Reference Drawing 
Module shape is not finalized yet in detail. Following drawings are only 
reference for initial study. 

The properties say it is a document from somewhere in 2004, so you'd say we're 
on the safe side then. The numbers are not so easy to read, do you also read 
the total height of the module is 7 mm?
 
Anyway, it seems interesting.

Boudewijn

 
 On 6/18/08, christopher bradski
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Good Morning Community,
   I was browsing around the other day and found a cmos
 camera at
 
 http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8668.
 Its a
  1.3 mega pixel camera and doesn't have much
 current draw and under $10. I'm
  not an electrical engineer but was wondering how
 feasible(with some
  soldering skills and a basic electronic understanding)
 it would be to attach
  this the the freerunner? The data sheet is included on
 the site. Thank you
  all in advance for your help.
 
 
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bluetooth proximity

2008-06-16 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

Hi List,

I wondered, can two bluetooth devices ping each other and find out their 
distance or relative speeds?

Not in the first place as some security tag to unlock my PC or house, but to 
use in a game-like setting. Imagine some live role playing game, where weapons 
not only are simulated using acceleration, but also their speed/distance 
relative to each other.

Any ideas on this?

Boudewijn


  

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Re: Openmoko official resell partners

2008-06-11 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

Great news, thanks for the update!

--- On Wed, 6/11/08, Harry Tsai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Harry Tsai [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Openmoko official resell partners
 To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org
 Date: Wednesday, June 11, 2008, 11:43 AM
 Dear Community,
 You should already know Pulster and IDA, they are our
 official reseller 
 in the Germany and India.
 Today, I want to introduce new partners in Germany and UK, 
 you can buy 
 freerunner from them for save your shipping cost and time.
 We also have a formal press will release to public later.

 Germany
 Golden Delicious Computers- _http://www.goldelico.com 
 _Dr.Nikolaus Schaller

 UK
 TrueBox Technologies - http://www.TrueBox.co.uk  Mr. Rob
 wood

 Besides, I am talking with CEO of Bearstech France about
 cooperation, so 
 far they are very closely to become my next official
 partner.

 BR

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Congratulations! Re: Cleared to start Mass production

2008-06-05 Thread W. B. Kranendonk


Way to go! Please send best regards to all who have
made it possible so far :-))

Kind regards,

Boudewijn


--- steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  The latest update I have from the factory indicates
 that mass Production (
 that means running the SMT line without stopping to
 check stuff every two
 seconds) has been CLEARED TO START.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 It will be available soon (within one month would be
 my guess).  Does anyone
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 You cannot book an order at present.  I reckon they
 will be able to ship to
 Pakistan.
 
 Cheers
 Dennis
 
 Masoom Alam wrote:
  Hi every one,
  
  I wanted to ask, that when the latest version of
 the openmoko will be 
  available (seems a stupid question, as we can see
 a lot of posts on 
  the mailing list :)).
  Actually, I dont want to wait for one year this
 time, therefore asking 
  this question.
  
  Plus, is there is any possiblity at the moment to
 book an order for me 
  in advance now?
  
  Plus, I want to ship the latest version to
 Pakistan, any 
  recommendation in this regard?
  
  Regards,
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combined shopping/shipping to the Netherlands

2007-07-09 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

Dear Listers!

It almost slipped my mind that today it already IS the
9 of Juli. Checked the website and did not find it
offline, as before. Everything seems to work out fine,
congratulations Sean and the team!

I guess there are quite a few Dutch subscribers to the
list. Does anyone want to share in an order?

Maybe exchanging phone numbers or creating a page in
the wiki would be easiest? 

Best regards, 

Boudewijn

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Re: AND donate entire Netherlands to OpenStreetMap

2007-07-06 Thread W. B. Kranendonk

  From: Frank Coenen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Subject: Re: AND donate entire Netherlands to
 OpenStreetMap
 Message: 5

 Whoops. I was to excited to read the rest of the
 article:

 India and China as well. That is just mindblowing
 good news!

  see: http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=223

Wow! That is quite great indeed... looking forward to
using and extending it!

Regards,

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