Any chance to have a dual-SIM slot on futures products?
I remembered a discussion about how to use more than one SIM card in the neo. Until recently, I've only seen some kind of hack about it. For example, in the battery or in a SIM card adapter (or by cloning a sim card = illegal). http://www.dualsim.de/ http://ucables.com/ref/SIM-CLONE It seems that some manufacturers (Samsung and Verzio) have integrated a dual-SIM slot in their products. And both SIMs are active at the same time! http://www.verzioworld.com/as/pressroom.html http://www.mobilegazette.com/samsung-duos-d880-07x10x08.htm snip The Samsung DuoS gets around this by having two SIM slots in the back, and both SIMs are active at the same time. ... At the moment, the Samsung DuoS / D880 has only been confirmed for release in Russia later this month. It's a relatively expensive device at 18,000 rubles (around £350 or €510) before tax. Expect to have to pay the full price without any discount, because no carrier will want to subsidise a handset that another carrier will use and locking the device to a single network would be pointless. snip I'll have use of it (professional/private number with two differents operators) and imagine that will be wished too by people which travel a lot (in a way to reduce roaming costs). Any chance to have it on a future product (gta-03 or 04 ;-)? Regards, ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RFC: replacement of wifi chips Atheros AR6001 by AR6002 in (GTA-02 and) futurs products
Atheros announced a new wifi chips, the AR6002. http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5024332766.html 30 Oct. 2007 snip The Atheros AR6002 Radio on Chip for Mobile (ROCm) draws near-zero power when in standby, and 70 percent less power than previous WiFi technologies when active, the company claims. snip snip The AR6002 is said to be software-compatible with the company's prior AR6001 (AR6K). A GPL-licensed Linux driver for that chip is available, and has already been adopted by the OpenMoko project. snip snip The AR6002 is currently sampling, and due for volume production in Q1, 2008. snip Perhaps, it's a good reason to considere replacement of AR6001 by AR6002 in futurs products... And already in GTA-02 if another hardware revision is needed and if the AR6002 has the same pinout as AR6001. Does anybody know if: a) it's another revision of GTA-02 already planned? b) are the Atheros chips's pinout identical? Regards, ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Total Control over the phone
On the wiki, I've seen this information (assumption): http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counterredirect=no#P2_.28GTA02.29 snip GTA02 Hardware: Probably: New power management (Upgrade or change: Should now allow to remove power completely from GSM part) snip Does it mean that, in GTA01, we can totally switch off the GSM part to prevent a 'switch on' ordered by the carrier? But not on GTA02? Any pointer to the source of this information (IRC, maillist,...)? Regards, Le samedi 28 avril 2007 à 03:44 +0200, kenneth marken a écrit : Marco Miani wrote: snip I recently bought a Motorola Motofone F3 and my carrier ( Vodafone Italy ) called me for a firmware upgrade because the cellphone sends periodically an sms to a UK number, even if the phone is power off. Call me paranoid but I don't like a features like this. If my phone is power off, it must be like death . given that more and more phones use a soft key like power switch. the only way to be 100% sure a phone is dead is to yank the battery iirc. snip ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Touchscreen enable/disable
Le mercredi 04 juillet 2007 à 16:53 +0200, Frederic Kettelhoit a écrit : the iPhone has a proximity sensor. But it is patented afaik. Since a long time, proximity sensors are used in robotics... So, how it's possible (for Apple) to patent it? Regards, ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Minor correction
Le jeudi 28 juin 2007 à 21:27 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz a écrit : Dear Community, Copy and paste was working too well last night. snip Do you always plan to replace the 1200 mAh battery (GTA-01) by a 1700 mAh in GTA-02? http://sicherheitsschwankung.de/gallery/v/openmoko/IMG_8662-slide.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1 Regards, ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer
2D or 3D chip? Regards, Le mercredi 24 janvier 2007 à 19:33 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz a écrit : On 1/24/07 11:41 AM, kkr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody know more about price and precision of the accelerometers's chips on the market now? About US$3. -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo1973 Update!
If I well understand, three accelerometers are necessary to fully define all phone's movements. Isn't it? http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-May/005216.html So, what's the reason to have only two, and not three 3D accelerometers? - the cost?... 3 $US (But I don't know if it's a 2D or 3D chip). http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-January/002085.html - the lack of free space? - ... Is-it a 3D or a 2D chip? Regards, Le dimanche 03 juin 2007 à 17:00 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip And the finally thing everybody has been asking for: 2 Accelerometers. F**k yeah. Looking forward to it. snip ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No stylus on V1 release?
Le mardi 27 mars 2007 à 18:07 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz a écrit : On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 10:54 +0200, Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: On Sunday 25 March 2007 01:16:46 Clare Johnstone wrote: Dear all, This frightens me in my role as mother, grandmother etc, i.e. a representative of the public to which you hope to sell this phone. Essentially any laser device powerful enough to be useful has no place in a home which may ever have children in it. (Even quite old ones). Basically, yes, laser pointers can be dangerous, however, actual damage is not very likely: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_pointer#Hazards. As for the rest, I agree with Joe. You could also just take the batteries out ;-) -Sean IANAL, but as I've read on Internet, in England and in France, the ownership of laser could be punished by the law... So, if his power exceeds the maximum allowed (1 mW), it could be to seize by the authorities (even without battery) and the owner fined for owning it. http://www.answers.com/topic/laser-pointer The output power of a laser pointer is measured in milliwatts (mW). Typically in Europe/UK the legal requirement is that a laser pointer output not exceed 1 mW; in USA this output is limited to 5 mW for presentation lasers. Lasers with outputs over 5 mW need to be registered with the FDA in the USA. Another interesting link : http://en.allexperts.com/e/l/la/laser_pointer.htm In Switzerland, the sale to the minors (18) is forbidden and all laser pointers (any class) are illegal in football stadium. So, in my case, I'll put it in a drawer and use the stylus of my HTC Himalaya. Perhaps would it be better to replace it by a normal stylus and save some US$ (or replace it by a bigger SDCard)? Or to propose it as an option (with extra charge)? As it would be nice to have the choice of the SDCard capacity (and an extra charge for it, of course). Regard, ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com
Le jeudi 01 mars 2007 à 12:45 +, Ian Stirling a écrit : snip I uploaded to rapidshare http://rapidshare.com/files/18781887/rect.avi which is a better encoding of the video - 66M, but with most of the larger text visible. With the screen and a little bit to the right of it only. snip Why not use an open format (.ogg) rather than proprietary one (.avi)? Regards, ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Possible security hole for Dialers/troyan horses
Le jeudi 01 mars 2007 à 09:48 -0600, Jonathon Suggs a écrit : snip Isn't this something along the lines of SELinux? If that is the case, is that something we should look at implementing? snip As I understood SELinux, it would be a good tool for security. Many (or most) other (close) Linux phone use SELinux to (successfully) block hacker who want to free their phone. But if we use it for our interest, I feel, it would be fine. But if a user doesn't want to think about the problem of security, as he will download anything from everywhere (binary from untrusted source), he will simply switch off SELinux in a way of making working his new (downloaded) application... As I remember, with Fedora Core 6 (which use SELinux), when I've installed some application from official repository, some application doesn't work because the policy of SELinux is not, or badly implemented for them. So, I did have the chose to: - write by myself a new SELinux policy (but I do not have enough skill to do that) - disable SELinux to use it - not use it So, if I've chose to wait an update of the SELinux policy, I guess, some users would simply chose to disable SELinux... We can do nothing for users which doesn't care about security concern, except trying to educated them... Or simply don't care about their problem. Regards, ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Itch3: Anti-lost/theft protection
Le mercredi 28 février 2007 à 18:00 +0100, Gabriel Ambuehl a écrit : snip Improving on the idea: get someone to operate one of those 0900 numbers in each country (usualy they dont really work cross country very well) who will then give the proceeds to the owner of the stolen phone so he can buy a new one... Or even just sending over priced SMS, that's even less obvious. snip That's exactly what I'm thinking too :-) Globally, the idea to protect the phone against the theft has already been expressed many time before: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-February/002910.html And even much more before (12 Dec 2006): http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2006-December/000748.html It could be good to summarize on the wiki all these ideas expressed before on this mailing list (google: site:openmoko.org phone thief). It seem to me that two ideas are news: - the overtaxed calling number (for the profit of the victim) - bluetooth localisation (with the headset or another phone) Regards, ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shipment of phones
Le lundi 26 février 2007 à 00:04 +0100, Marc Verwerft a écrit : Hi all, Since the order and shipment of the phones is coming closer, I thought I should share this. snip On the wiki, it seem the launch date as been pushed away... - Did I miss an e-mail? - Is it a fresh announce from FOSDEM? - Or is it a mistake on the wiki? Wiki (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973): Around 2007-03-25 Phase 1: Official Developer Launch E-mail from Sean (20 Jan 2007) on the announce@lists.openmoko.org: 2007-03-11 Phase 1: Official Developer Launch Regards, ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Back from FOSDEM
Le lundi 26 février 2007 à 01:39 +0100, Jens Muecke a écrit : snip And neo ist not matrix neo. It is matrix agent smith. snip !? What do you mean? Regards, ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Which colors will be available for the phase 1?
Do we already know which colors will be available for the phase 1? On internet, I saw images (computer generated images?) having the following colors: - black/silver - white/green - white/orange - white/red On the official Web site, I saw only these: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Introduction#Photos - black/silver - white/orange And on this list, it would seem that we can add the white/green: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Buying_Interest_List black/silver white/orange white/green Do we have an official announcement? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Automatic Updates Notification for the Neo?
Would it be possible to have, as in Fedora Core 6, a kind of Automatic Updates Notification? In other words, when it's connected to Internet (USB or Bluetooth), it check the repository to determine if a new version (for any software inside: OS/core applications) is available. And if yes, indicates it to us by a small icone, give us the chose to upgrade it or not, and an easy way to do it. Regards, ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Automatic Updates Notification for the Neo?
Le vendredi 16 février 2007 à 13:00 -0500, Perry E. Metzger a écrit : kkr [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Would it be possible to have, as in Fedora Core 6, a kind of Automatic Updates Notification? Anything is possible -- but remember, this is an open source project. The things we really want, we, the community, may have to write. This can be far better than any ordinary phone, but only if we make it possible. Perry It's true :-) I've expressed this idea because I believe that so, the feedback, from beta tester, for developers, will be better... If 99% of the phones have the version on which work developers (because update to the last version is automatic, fast and easy), the feedback will be better. There will be more luck than somebody finds and report an error. If only 10% of the phones have the current version (of any core application: dialer, contacts,...), the feedback will be poor or unrelevant... Isn't it? I doesn't know how works fedora's module, but perhaps, it's easy to port it to this phone (as it already exist and is too in open source). Without this, how will we make the upgrade? Download and install a full image and restore the data of the user? Regards, ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
No stylus on V1 release?
I can't see a stylus on the pictures (on openmoko.org)... Has it one? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No stylus on V1 release?
:-( I hope it will have a place for it on the V2... For not to lose it. Le jeudi 15 février 2007 à 01:19 +0100, Stefan Schmidt a écrit : Hello. On Thu, 2007-02-15 at 01:01, kkr wrote: I can't see a stylus on the pictures (on openmoko.org)... Has it one? It has a stylus, but no place in the case to hide it. regards Stefan Schmidt ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re:T-Mobile finagling advice?
Le vendredi 09 février 2007 à 20:33 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : snip For example, imagine an application that uses GPS location information to determine your car's proximity to your favorite grocery store on your way home. When you get to within 5 miles of the store, your Neo uses the GPRS to access a personal website page where your spouse keeps a grocery list. If there are any items on the list, the application downloads the and alerts you via your bluetooth earbud. snip I really like this idea :-) She must be added on the wiki not to be lost! ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea: Desktop wakeup on user proximity
Another way to do it: http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Bluetooth_Proximity_Monitor Regards Le mercredi 24 janvier 2007 à 01:42 +, Robert McQueen a écrit : This already does half of what you want: http://matthew.ath.cx/projects/bluemon/ The problem with this kind of thing is that bluetooth really guzzles the battery of your phone, especially when the computer sits there pinging it every few seconds. Activating bluetooth based on the location is a really smart idea though, but doesn't quite address the knowing when you've gone away side of things - GPS probably isn't quite accurate enough to know when you're moving away but are still within sight of the computer, and you wouldn't want it to only lock your screen once you'd walked 50m down the road. Regards, Rob Richard Franks wrote: So when I walk into my office in the morning my computer wakes the monitor and logs in, opens up a browser with slashdot, etc. So when I walk towards my house at night, my computer is already cuing up some music for me. Detection could be via GPS/data connection, but in many workplaces, bluetooth detection could be sufficient, plus your Neo only needs to start up bluetooth when it already knows that it is close to an activation spot. Richard ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: music applications: piano, drum, bell...
You're right, the first version will not be able of it. But in the V2 (2007-09-11), on the basis of this link (http://cs.nyu.edu/~jhan/ftirtouch/), I think that it will be possible :-) Quotation: Our technique is force-sensitive, and provides unprecedented resolution and scalability... But I don't know if it will use exactly the same technology. Could anybody confirm it? Regards, Le mardi 30 janvier 2007 à 19:36 -0800, Christopher Heiny a écrit : On Tuesday 30 January 2007 18:39, kkr scribbled in crayon on the back of a kid's menu: I am not sure to well understand how works this new screen generation (multi-point touch screen)... Can he discern the force of pressure exercised with the finger over the screen (weak, normal or strong)? Can anybody confirm it? I do not believe that can be done with the resistive screen on the V1 system. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea for one of the next Neos: Projecting the display via LEDs
Le dimanche 21 janvier 2007 à 19:01 +0100, Ulrik Rasmussen a écrit : On Sunday 21 January 2007 18:46, Wil Chung wrote: Dr. H., I agree that it needs a beam scanner, on first though, but does it have to be mechanical? I know you can direct radio waves with something like a phase array, might not light be directed with a phase array? I don't know, as it's just a guess since they're both EM. I don't think it is possible to bend light, so you'll probably need some sort of mechanical device for it. However, I stumbled on this some times ago, which seems to fullfill the needs: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/5359724.stm It's basically a red and blue laser diode, aimed at a very tiny vibrating mirror. The problem is, as the article says, that they can't use green diodes, because these aren't small enough. I don't know the technical details for this obstacle though. Red and blue should be enough for text though, at least you will be able to render red, purple and blue. This article (19 September 2006) seems to be already obsolete, look at this one (4 January 2007): http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=114723p=irol-newsArticleID=946694highlight= or this one (unfortunately, in French): http://www.netppc.com/shownews.php3?n=1314 It would seem that problem is resolved :-) Regards, ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
music applications: piano, drum, bell...
I am not sure to well understand how works this new screen generation (multi-point touch screen)... Can he discern the force of pressure exercised with the finger over the screen (weak, normal or strong)? Can anybody confirm it? If yes, we would be able to built a music application like a piano (or synthesizer). Sound would be different according to the force exercised by the finger (Like a true one, or, at least, a more realistic). And of course, to be able of playing several notes simultaneously (Do+Re +Mi) Regards, PS: And the same for a drum. PS2: And with an accelerometer, we can play other instruments, like a bell. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: addon sleeves / casings - wish
Or look like a hole on this one: http://www.infogiciel.info/article0325.html Le samedi 27 janvier 2007 à 19:31 +0100, Marcel de Jong a écrit : On 1/27/07, Lars Hallberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: polz skrev: According to this image: http://www.areamobile.de/images/handies/FIC/Neo1973/200611081450Neo1973_Rot-Gruen.jpg, the Neo1973's casing is supposed to have two pairs of grooves on each side. If I look at the larger version of that picture: http://www.linuxdevices.com/files/misc/fic_traveler_handset_fic-gta001.jpg It seems more like it's a button. --- Marcel de Jong ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer
I think the idea is good! But why only one? With one 3-axis accelerometer, we detect a move in the space XYZ: We move our arm. If we use 3 3-axis accelerometer (one in each angle of a triangle), we can detect more movements: We can detect if the neo turn over himself (with no global XYZ move). For exemple, we can detect too, movements as: 1. a rotation of the hand 2. waves with the hand (not like hello, but more as approximately) ... Does anybody know more about price and precision of the accelerometers's chips on the market now? Regards, Le mercredi 24 janvier 2007 à 12:50 +1100, Tehn Yit Chin a écrit : Not too sure how doable this is, but how about having a 3axis accelerometer in the 2nd generation of the Neo? This will give us the ability to link hand movements as command sets, sort of like mouse gestures but in a 3d space. The obvious usage is for 3d gestures command the phone, eg shake the phone three times to answer when a calls comes in, or move the phone in a cross motion to put it into do not disturb mode. cheers, tyc ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
