Re: No more optimization team
I opted for the G1, partly for the reasons you've given, but mainly because it turned out to be available as a free upgrade from my old handset. I can't say I'm terribly happy with it. I haven't had my hands on a Freerunner yet for comparison, but depending upon what you want to do with your phone, you may find that the Freerunner gets there first, or has already got there. Is the G1 having problems calling, sending/receiving sms or sound issues? If anyone in the Netherlands is interested in buying my Freerunner please contact me. I'm not a good advocate for the movement anymore, it will probably will be better if someone with a fresh attitude owns it. Based on my experience owning a G1, I'd suggest you try out whatever phone you're planning to use instead before you ditch your Freerunner. Also look at the forums, etc, to see some of the issues people are having. There's no perfect phone out there at the moment. Not looking for a perfect phone, but the basic stuff should be working. Nobody showed up to buy my phone yet, so I might try some images in a few days. I think I will try hackable:1and SHR. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No more optimization team
The goal of the optimization team was getting us a workable phone. I've installed the testing version yesterday and run into a lot of issues (echo, buzz, not able to wake up) I love the idea of this phone, the openness, the capabilities, but my patience has been stretched beyond tolerance. I have waited more than 2 years for an open phone. Now I have one, I can't use it and I will probably have to wait another half year before the phone will be able to do what any basic phone should be capable of. It is frustrating to see the appearance of great phones like HTC touch or even an iPhone that can do not only basic stuff, but also have the fun part from day one. Android phones are starting to appear. The HTC G1 is not available yet (in the Netherlands), but will be soon. It might not be as open as Openmoko, but it works, has got great features and it is open enough for me.. I'm really dissapointed, it feels like losing a bit of faith in a good cause. If anyone in the Netherlands is interested in buying my Freerunner please contact me. I'm not a good advocate for the movement anymore, it will probably will be better if someone with a fresh attitude owns it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[todays testing image] can't enter sim
Hi, I've just installed the daily testing image http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing/. I have no idea which distro this is, 2008.9? Some more information (e.g. a readme.txt) would have been nice. Anyway.. after installing I needed to enter a SIM pincode and the only thing I can choose from are letters! Would be nice if someone could tell me how I can install a usable keyboard without unlocking my simcard on another phone. My old phone just died on me... Thanks. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [todays testing image] can't enter sim
Thanks! Works indeed. Can't say that for the image itself though... already had to remove my battery once to reset the phone and got complaints about echo and buzz. On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 8:10 PM, Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: 2008/12/10 t m [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've just installed the daily testing image http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing/. I have no idea which distro this is, 2008.9? Some more information (e.g. a readme.txt) would have been nice. Anyway.. after installing I needed to enter a SIM pincode and the only thing I can choose from are letters! Would be nice if someone could tell me how I can install a usable keyboard without unlocking my simcard on another phone. My old phone just died on me... slide your finger up to change keyboard to one with numbers. it's in the wiki and yes, it's 2008.x, and yes a readme would be very useful ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Updates/November 2nd, 2008
Great overview, thanks! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03 - buttons or touchscreen
Less bulky would be nice. KB would be nice. To be able to phone with it would also be nice. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Community newsletter, October 4th to 19th
Great overview what has happened in a relatively short period of time. Very well written for its purpose. Short, to the point. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: consider buying Neo Freerunner
Frankly speaking I'm not sure anymore if the bugs are only software related. As long as there is no image that has stable phoning capabilities I would not advise anyone to buy one. The hardware might be able to provide it in the future, but the unstable software haven't proven itself yet. Only if you really want to support OM / Free software by buying one (this is one of my main reason for buying it) you could do that. For now my money is a donation for the good cause and I still hope to get the best phone ever in return. So to summarize, if you want to play it safe wait for GTA03. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience
The problem with some of the comments on images, are people not using the phone to the extend as others do. I need my phone, also for business reasons. I receive and send sms messages and also phone during driving a car and in crowded surroundings. There are also people praising an image after a 2 hour testrun. I also praised Qtopia 4.2 before someone started complaining about echo and missing some sms messages and the phone went in coma once in a while. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: consider buying Neo Freerunner
So to summarize, if you want to play it safe wait for GTA03. How do you know that they'll not go through the same process with GTA03 that we've all been doing with GTA02? Wasn't GTA02 supposed to be the stable version? You're right. I should have said something else. If you want to play it safe wait for a fully working image on GTA02 (or GTA03) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Weekly Engineering News 41/2008: back to the basics
Seems like everybody is cheering the new strategy. I hope we will see some results in the near future. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 10:15 AM, W.Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008.9 + updates A phone that works: reliably make and receive calls reliably make and receive sms's At the moment, totally losing sms messages (phone sometimes hangs/crashes when one comes in) or not waking up if suspended when one comes in means that its almost unusable as a phone. It often takes several boots before the pin dialog comes up. If you forget while waiting and it does come up but its awhile until you get to it, it will hang so you have to reboot anyway. Sometimes restarting X helps, but not always Stability: My average in normal usage is at least two boots a day due to crashes, and often extra rebooting to check if an sms comes in (sometimes they will only show on fresh re-registration. Leaving the phone on and registered for hours doesnt seem to help - not sure how vodafone australia takes to retry messages but surely its less that 12 hours. The only way to stop crashes is not to use the thing! No GPS, no wireless, no phone calls, and definitely never send/receive an sms :) I suspect the event/0 thread is at the root of a lot of this so I am waiting a fix for that. I dont think I am alone in this - hopefully the new focus means that these issues can be dealt with. I am a little concerned though that you think things like boot time is important enough to mention, but not basic issues like being able to reliably make a phone call. Though a faster boot means less time wasted going through multiple bootups to get the thing registered. :) I should mention that 2007.2 seemed more stable and mature than 2008 anything still is up until work stopped on it. BillK Totally, totally agree! Who cares a beep about wifi , speed, gps, accelerometer, booting time when the phone itself doesn't work. Please fix this issues first, use the precious developing time for these priorities , so whe can finally use the phone for daily use. The fun and fancy stuff can come later. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FBReader now working on the FreeRunner
Great job, thanks! FBreader is a very nice e-book reader and from the looks of it seem to suit the FR perfectly. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The Lost Openmoko Community
I agree with what you are saying. When I bought the phone I knew there were some issues, but I had confidence in the hardware. I also had the impression it wouldn't take much time to be able to use it as a very basic phone. Maybe I was wrong with my assumption. Even the so called reliable and stable qtopia had missing sms messages, picking up a call and no sound, lost pin enter screens, echo and resume not functional. Would be nice to have one basic image with a focus on these issues. Even if it slowed down development. I guess developers also need a phone, don't they? When people complain about their FR not being usable as a phone, they get answers like this one: ``I appreciate that many of you purchased the FR to use as your daily phone. But I really believe that the magic of Openmoko comes from what we do with this platform that is different from, and way beyond, a mere phone.''[1] Exaggerating just a bit, it sounds like: ``My FR is not working as a phone!'' - ``Well son, it was never meant to be a phone.'' That's just one random example but to me it feels like the general direction of many OM staff postings. So to pick up my earlier point: Why does openmoko.com not explicitly state that the phone's software is not ready for reliable daily use? There should also be a note about the possibility that the FR with your provider in your region will be suffering from GSM buzz. Thus being unusable as a phone. Ole ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The Lost Openmoko Community
I think the guys from OM are really working hard to get us a great phone. I'm not always sure if they got the same priorities as we have. For me the most important thing right now is a working pone. Until I've seen some reports of more than 1 person that an image has got phoning, smsing and battery under control I'm not going to use mine. I'd like to file in bug reports, but hey.. these are so obvious I don't care about investing more time in the phone. It's collecting dust right now, and I'm using a phone I know I can count on. So instead of bringing us everything, bring us less, but stable. That said, I still have confidence in the team and I'm sure we will see something amazing in the (hopefully) near future. Other community members: * How do you feel about the current situation? How happy are you with the community? * Do you feel well informed? Do you know what's the direction we're heading to? * How would you like to contribute? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stable OM distro
You can try FDOM. It's somewhat bloated, but works nicely for me. Nice, I will try this as well. Even Qtopia didn't work out for me. Other users have the same experience? It usually takes a while before problems show, and I'm really hoping I will be able to at least phone and sms with a normal battery life (and resume that works) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia 4.4 ?
Well, working sms, phone without echo and resume would be very nice :) The rest is nice to have. On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Russell Hay wrote: Keen to try the Qtopia 4.4 image if/when it's available - does anyone have an outlook? There are comments going back to June/July saying 'coming soon'... Only someone working in Qt Software. :) 4.4 is right around the corner. It has dynamic rotation, webkit/example browser, a location API/example gps apps, Gtalk jabber thingy. and I cannot remember what else. And something else that you'll have to read about when the announcement comes out. :) -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Qt Software, Nokia Pty Ltd ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QTopia 4.3.3 doesn't suspend at first
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Jean-Eric Cuendet [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: This appends also for me... same thing fyi, this has been fixed in 4.4 Fine to hear! But when is 4.4? An updated 4.3.3 would be nice as well, the current snapshot is a bit buggy. Incoming volume, lot worse batterylife and also had a disappearing pin screen. 4.3.2 wasn't bad, the only major issue it had was missing some sms messages. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
volume phone very low after upgrade to qtopia-4.3.3-snapshot-09012242
Hi, I've upgraded to qtopia-4.3.3-snapshot-09012242 because of the improved sound quality and sms problem that was solved. After upgrading the volume (incoming) is much lower. Changing the volume in the settings didn't help. Looks like the volume needs to be adjusted manually. Any suggestions? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stable Distro Recommendation for Business trip
I have just installed qtopia-4.3.3-snapshot-09012242 I expect this one to be pretty stable. Have been using qtopia for a while now and the only major issue for me was not receiving all sms messages. That should have been taken care of with this release. On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Warren Baird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, I've been running OM2008.8 with testing updates for a few weeks now, and I'm finding it generally pretty good - however, it isn't terrifically stable - I've had incoming calls where they couldn't hear me, or where the 'answer call' page doesn't show up until after the caller hangs up. In my day-to-day life I'm usually near a land-line, so these haven't been serious problems. In a few weeks I'm going on a week long business trip, and my cell is going to be my main source of connectivity, so I'm going to need something a lot more stable. I'd love to hear what the community recommends for a distro providing stable connectivity - phone and sms is the highest priority - although GPS capability would be a bonus. The two leading candidates are either FSO or Qtopia. Any opinions on which of these options would work best? My backup position is to put my SIM back in my old Motorola and use it as a phone, and just use my FR as a hand-held computer... Thanks, Warren I'm considering either installing FSO or Qtopia ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtopia update
I've upgraded to the latest snapshot and the incoming volume was very low. I have upgraded the kernel + qtopia image that were in the compressed file. Any way to get the volume up again? Call options in the settings didn't help. On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 9:37 PM, Jim Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Zanetti wrote: On Tuesday 02 September 2008 02:30:14 Lorn Potter wrote: I have updated qtopia at qtopia.net What feeds should I use to update? The preinstalled ones for buildhost.openmoko.org don't seem to work and I couln't find a qtopia repos on downloads.openmoko.org. Yes that would be good to know. I use the update method, and I updated the kernel from the last release, but knowing what versions of all the libraries etc you use would help to keep in sync. Thanks it is looking really good. -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
