Re: [2008.8][testing][kernel] image and modules not in sync?

2008-09-06 Thread Vasco Névoa
Now in ticket:  https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1967

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I've followed the discussion about dual booting, kernel packaging, and  
> kernel vs. distros, and the conclusion I reach is that the devs are  
> inclined to use (mostly-)monolithic kernels, leaving just the "extras"  
> out in the sysfs "modules" dir.
> This is fine by me, but there seems to be a little mess here.
> There are modules in the file system that are not loadable because  
> they are already built in.
> This is not a good thing, because it induces the user in error - I  
> thought there was something wrong with the kernel or with the modules,  
> when the problem is just a question of cleaning up the repository &  
> filesystem images.
> If the modules are built-in, they should not be present in the  
> filesystem, IMHO.
> If a user follows the wiki howtos about networking, she may be trying  
> to modprobe bnep for example, and scratching her head because  
> "bluetooth" and "l2cap" won't load (let alone "bnep"). Only after  
> grepping /proc/kallsyms I understood these modules where already  
> built-in. duh! total time loss.
> So please clean up a little, ok? At least the fs images on the  
> downloads server should be consistent with the given kernel. If an  
> update breaks things, that another issue entirely.
> Thank you! Keep up the good work.
>
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[2008.8][testing][kernel] image and modules not in sync?

2008-09-05 Thread vasco . nevoa
I've followed the discussion about dual booting, kernel packaging, and  
kernel vs. distros, and the conclusion I reach is that the devs are  
inclined to use (mostly-)monolithic kernels, leaving just the "extras"  
out in the sysfs "modules" dir.
This is fine by me, but there seems to be a little mess here.
There are modules in the file system that are not loadable because  
they are already built in.
This is not a good thing, because it induces the user in error - I  
thought there was something wrong with the kernel or with the modules,  
when the problem is just a question of cleaning up the repository &  
filesystem images.
If the modules are built-in, they should not be present in the  
filesystem, IMHO.
If a user follows the wiki howtos about networking, she may be trying  
to modprobe bnep for example, and scratching her head because  
"bluetooth" and "l2cap" won't load (let alone "bnep"). Only after  
grepping /proc/kallsyms I understood these modules where already  
built-in. duh! total time loss.
So please clean up a little, ok? At least the fs images on the  
downloads server should be consistent with the given kernel. If an  
update breaks things, that another issue entirely.
Thank you! Keep up the good work.

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