Re: [ASU 2008.9] Is it required to reflash, or opkg update upgrade is enough?
Why won't we just invent cool codenames for the distros? Maybe because they are not really distributions, but just point releases / milestones of the same branch ? Distribution = ASU ASU release point zéro = Om 2008.8 ASU release point one = Om 2008.9 ASU 2008.8 + updates = ASU 2008.8 + updates = packages fresh from latest daily builds = ASU head = no name yet. Minh Actually, that was kind of my point. As was said 2008.8 and 2008.9 are basically the same thing, only one is updated. It will get even harder to keep track of the names next year. There should be one name for all this mess and a way to check the exact version in case for some reason the system can not be updated but needs to be debugged. Yogiz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ASU 2008.9] Is it required to reflash, or opkg update upgrade is enough?
William Lai wrote: Yes. This is all correct. Those with 2008.8-update will already be ahead of 2008.9. It's the name that throws people off. We're looking to change to 2008-update or 2008-stable. Please stay tuned. Will I wouldn't change to something with 2008 in it. That's because in a few months we are 2009. Also stable isn't that good, because people will think it is stable, while it is far from stable. (I would call om2008.9 usable). Maybe change it into 'Omd' (=Openmoko Distribution) and call point releases Omd 2008.9. Variations: Mom (Main openmoko) Momd (Main openmoko distribution) MainOm OpenOm oOm (Open openmoko) FreeOm fOm (free openmoko) Ood (Open openmoko distribution) -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-ASU-2008.9--Is-it-required-to-reflash%2C-or-opkg-update---upgrade-is-enough--tp1101738p1102731.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ASU 2008.9] Is it required to reflash, or opkg update upgrade is enough?
Yes. This is all correct. Those with 2008.8-update will already be ahead of 2008.9. It's the name that throws people off. We're looking to change to 2008-update or 2008-stable. Please stay tuned. Will Also stable isn't that good, because people will think it is stable, while it is far from stable. (I would call om2008.9 usable). Maybe change it into 'Omd' (=Openmoko Distribution) and call point releases Omd 2008.9. I would like to second this point. Please don't call anything stable. In Debian world, stable means that 1/ It won't crash, 2/ You are free from worrying about OS reinstallation or upgrades for a long time and 3/ Updating is a BAD thing. With ASU we only have 1/ Moreover, the stable word is already preempted. To be technically precise, .stable is the name of a familly of subbranches in the git. For the rest of the list subscriber's: Patches land in org.openmoko.$(release_name).dev, go through org.openmoko.$(release_name).testing, and finally reach org.openmoko.$(release_name).stable from where packages are made Reusing that word for anything else than a subbranch tag is confusing. And everybody is confused enough, as you rightly noticed. Please empathize with the pain of the documentation team. Without clear names we can't make clear explanations. Leave stable out. Minh -- Minh HA DUONG, Chargé de Recherche, CNRS CIRED, Centre International de Recherches sur l'Environnement et le Développement http://minh.haduong.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ASU 2008.9] Is it required to reflash, or opkg update upgrade is enough?
Why won't we just invent cool codenames for the distros? Ever wondered why Ubuntu is so popular? It's because their releases sound awsome : D. What would I prefer: Slackware 12.0 or Ubuntu Kinky Kangaroo. I know which I would pick. We're allowed to have a little fun here. Yogiz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ASU 2008.9] Is it required to reflash, or opkg update upgrade is enough?
Why won't we just invent cool codenames for the distros? Maybe because they are not really distributions, but just point releases / milestones of the same branch ? Distribution = ASU ASU release point zéro = Om 2008.8 ASU release point one = Om 2008.9 ASU 2008.8 + updates = ASU 2008.8 + updates = packages fresh from latest daily builds = ASU head = no name yet. Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[ASU 2008.9] Is it required to reflash, or opkg update upgrade is enough?
The question is in subject. Does anybody know? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ASU 2008.9] Is it required to reflash, or opkg update upgrade is enough?
I think (by looking at the bugs that are fixed and aren't fixed) that the om2008.9 is the same as om2008.8 updated between 16 september and 18 september. Because on 18 september there were updates for the om2008.8 that aren't included by default in 2008.9. But the updates are also available for the 2008.9. So If you install om2008.9 you can directly update it. So this review is valid for the om2008.9: http://onlinedev.blogspot.com/2008/09/openmoko-om20088-status-review_16.html And if you update your om2008.9, this review is valid: http://onlinedev.blogspot.com/2008/09/openmoko-om20088-status-review_18.html Bottom line: - an updated 2008.8 is the same as an updated 2008.9 - an 2008.8 updated on 17 September is the same an an 2008.9 Martin Šenkeřík wrote: The question is in subject. Does anybody know? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-ASU-2008.9--Is-it-required-to-reflash%2C-or-opkg-update---upgrade-is-enough--tp1101738p1102190.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ASU 2008.9] Is it required to reflash, or opkg update upgrade is enough?
Alasal wrote: I think (by looking at the bugs that are fixed and aren't fixed) that the om2008.9 is the same as om2008.8 updated between 16 september and 18 september. Because on 18 september there were updates for the om2008.8 that aren't included by default in 2008.9. But the updates are also available for the 2008.9. So If you install om2008.9 you can directly update it. So this review is valid for the om2008.9: http://onlinedev.blogspot.com/2008/09/openmoko-om20088-status-review_16.html And if you update your om2008.9, this review is valid: http://onlinedev.blogspot.com/2008/09/openmoko-om20088-status-review_18.html Bottom line: - an updated 2008.8 is the same as an updated 2008.9 - an 2008.8 updated on 17 September is the same an an 2008.9 I'm not sure I trust that line of logic enough... Is there a way to check if we have the latest? If the opkg feeds have not changed, then it is logical that updated2008.8 = 2008.9 ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ASU 2008.9] Is it required to reflash, or opkg update upgrade is enough?
Alasal wrote: I think (by looking at the bugs that are fixed and aren't fixed) that the om2008.9 is the same as om2008.8 updated between 16 september and 18 september. Because on 18 september there were updates for the om2008.8 that aren't included by default in 2008.9. But the updates are also available for the 2008.9. So If you install om2008.9 you can directly update it. So this review is valid for the om2008.9: http://onlinedev.blogspot.com/2008/09/openmoko-om20088-status-review_16.html And if you update your om2008.9, this review is valid: http://onlinedev.blogspot.com/2008/09/openmoko-om20088-status-review_18.html Bottom line: - an updated 2008.8 is the same as an updated 2008.9 - an 2008.8 updated on 17 September is the same an an 2008.9 Yes. This is all correct. Those with 2008.8-update will already be ahead of 2008.9. It's the name that throws people off. We're looking to change to 2008-update or 2008-stable. Please stay tuned. Will ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
