Re: Re: [CU,Templates] DistributionBox template latest changes
[cut] 1) if I look back, yes it was me mistake now I thing is better make Template:DistributionBox for each distribution. It will be better for use on wiki and It will be on all page actual Lets discuss this in separate thread, and after new year begins, as this will be long discussion I suppose, OK? 2) If you want history what distro's versions were working on what hardware, I thing is better start make new page on wiki call something like: History what distributions versions working on what hardware In this system if you wan this information, you must brows the wiki and remember how it's changing Will you create AND *maintain* such a wiki page? If you think you have enough time to maintain another wiki page then you are welcome to do it :), but maybe you could dedicate this free time of yours to take care of many old and outdated wiki pages that need fixing? [cut] 1) it about translating templates and using on localize page on wiki if you use sub-templates, it will be actual also on localize page which use translate Template:DistributionBox I think templates should be universal, not translated. This can be done, but after new year, OK? 2) if some distributions start work on new hardware, it thing it will be written like text on news I do not understand, please explain. 3) I don't know, I'm not programmer... I thing the history page of changing sub-templates can be use automatically on page: History what distributions versions working on what hardware I do not understand. But lets leave this history stuff for now. 4) On wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions In the Names of Distibutions you don't use number of version And what is the question? Because i do not know if you think it is good or bad? Anyway, I'll try to explain according to my knowledge. First of all there is no section called Names of Distributions on this wiki page, so please be precise. I guess you are talking about Overview section? If you are talking about Hardware/Works boxes in Overview section, than I have to admit I didn't know that these templates are used anywhere else besides Community Updates. Now since I know that, it changes my point of view. Those Hardware/Works boxes can't be used to keep history anymore. But they fit nicely to reduce amount of work for wiki editors (like us). What I do not like, is their naming schemes. Now their names suggests that these boxes shows, what software can run under some distro. Additionally you need to keep naming scheme consistent with other templates (do not use spaces). IMHO it need to be changed to reflect their purpose. Example: Template:Works on Android - Template:AndroidSupportedHardware Template:Works_on_Debian - Template:DebianSupportedHardware Template:Works on Gentoo - Template:GentooSupportedHardware ... Do you mind if I ask you to rename these templates according to these examples? In order to help you within this work, I will add these templates to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Templates page, as they are not listed there. Oops, I forgot to add Template:DistributonBox also, mea culpa. Does everyone agree for this solution? 5) News can use Distributions box and under him write changes now is change in DistributonBox and it make this template useful only for news page I assume you want to make separate Template:DistributonBox for each distro? Lets discuss this in separate thread, and after new year begins, as this will be long discussion I suppose, OK? I hope some of me ideas it will be useful. Kukide Indeed, ideas were useful. Thanks -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments Email secured by Check Point ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [CU,Templates] DistributionBox template latest changes
Dnia 2009-12-09, śro o godzinie 19:45 +0100, Patryk Benderz pisze: Hi all, Recently wiki editor Kukide, changed DistributionBos template. It was on [cut] Tomorrow is a release date for next CU and it looks like nobody (including author of the changes - Kukide) is interested in this topic. May I assume Kukide has abandoned his project of changes in Templates for DistributionBox ? -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments Email secured by Check Point ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [CU,Templates] DistributionBox template latest changes
I can't speak for Kukide - but I'd agree that the changes don't seem to make sense --- I like having a history available, and I don't think it makes sense to have to twiddle the templates everytime a new distro variant comes along. Warren On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Patryk Benderz patryk.bend...@esp.plwrote: Dnia 2009-12-09, śro o godzinie 19:45 +0100, Patryk Benderz pisze: Hi all, Recently wiki editor Kukide, changed DistributionBos template. It was on [cut] Tomorrow is a release date for next CU and it looks like nobody (including author of the changes - Kukide) is interested in this topic. May I assume Kukide has abandoned his project of changes in Templates for DistributionBox ? -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments Email secured by Check Point ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist http://www.synergisticimages.ca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [CU,Templates] DistributionBox template latest changes
Dnia 2009-12-22, wto o godzinie 10:57 -0500, Warren Baird pisze: I can't speak for Kukide - but I'd agree that the changes don't seem to make sense --- I like having a history available, and I don't think it makes sense to have to twiddle the templates everytime a new distro variant comes along. Hi Warren, thank you for your answer. I will wail till tomorrow just to be sure nobody feels otherwise. If not, i will revert Kukide's changes. -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments Email secured by Check Point ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[CU,Templates] DistributionBox template latest changes
Hi all, Recently wiki editor Kukide, changed DistributionBos template. It was on wiki also, thus i assume i can quote his email to me: Hi, I change your templates http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Template:DistributionBox and rewrite on all back-links. I make some new templates for this page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions In the future if some distribution start work on new hardware, it will be easy change in template for this distribution and it will change on all places in wiki. :) And I thing in the future distributions will work on more hardware and it will be helpful split information about other device. This is a possible on this page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Template:Works I hope it will be useful. Kukide Today i started to add some entries to Community Updates. One of them was SHR-Testing branch. I have 2 considerations about this: 1) It appeared, that after Kukide's modifications you have to add new sub-template for each new distribution, describing hardware it works on. In my opinion it is a flaw. Kukide kindly made template for SHR and few other distros, but didn't make new one for SHR-Testing. This scenario will repeat for future distributions and generates additional work for wiki editors. 2) It also appeared, that using sub-templates we loose all history of what distro's versions were working on what hardware. Example: if you modify template for lets say QtMoko v123, by adding new hardware (lets consider that QtMoko V123 works on PS3) it will appear in all previous Community Updates, that all previous versions of QtMoko starting from V1, V2,... also are working on PS3... which is not true. This is a flaw also IMHO. Conclusions: I think we should revert these changes and use old DistributionBox template. Of course keeping in mind freedom in all aspects I am asking all of you, what is your opinion (especially you Kukide) before reverting those changes. -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments Email secured by Check Point ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
