Re: [QtExtended] some things
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I also note that Lorn's been completely silent for the past 24 hours. I wonder if this is because he's (finally!) realised that he's been digging a hole for himself, or if it's just because he got pwned once again... Or perhaps he took my advice (yeah, right!) and spoke to his boss about it, and his boss said ARE YOU *INSANE*?!?!? HOW COULD YOU POST THAT FROM YOUR TROLLTECH ADDRESS?!?!?!?! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJwJeWFbVnQRV3OEYRAnd7AKChMds4wmfaBl9o1J3pBe+BOS5xfQCdGsF+ 7/VhnhkCcQS6BEi1ULF2kpY= =x3A1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
On Wednesday 18 March 2009, Dale Maggee wrote: Personal insults are completely valid and infact necessary when someone provokes me by lying to me and/or being an idiot. I'm sorry but I disagree entirely, if you have to resort to that then you have already lost the argument. Now will both of you please take this flame war to private email where it belongs. -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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hear hear - take it elsewhere. That said, having had involvement in a similar situation elsewhere, it's always emotional when a project moves from a closed pool of developers into the an open source model. Exactly the same issues and accusations. 2009/3/18 Chris Samuel ch...@csamuel.org: On Wednesday 18 March 2009, Dale Maggee wrote: Personal insults are completely valid and infact necessary when someone provokes me by lying to me and/or being an idiot. I'm sorry but I disagree entirely, if you have to resort to that then you have already lost the argument. Now will both of you please take this flame war to private email where it belongs. -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Russ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 02:22:14PM +1100, Dale Maggee wrote: I'd suggest you filter out this conversation if you're not interested. Good idea. :0 * ^From: (Dale Maggee|Lorn Potter) |/dev/null ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 04:15:53PM +0900, Russell Steicke wrote: :0 * ^From: (Dale Maggee|Lorn Potter) |/dev/null Oops... :0 * ^From: (Dale Maggee|Lorn Potter) /dev/null ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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sorry, but this is way over the top ... personal insults don't belong to a public mailing list. Please stop this, Dale. On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 12:29 AM, Dale Maggee anti...@internode.on.netwrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lorn Potter wrote: Dale Maggee wrote: Aah, the fun continues... [snip utter nonsense] Utter nonsense, again, including questions which you persist in ignoring, and discussion of the issues with your shit software which you categorically refuse to discuss or even acknowledge exist. http://www.netalert.gov.au/advice/behaviour/netiquette_emoticons/What_is_netiquette.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette So... you can copy and paste a web address, good for you! I guess, it *is* more than I would have expected from someone of your special-ness. Were the people at the spastic society proud of you for accomplishing that? did they give you a gold star? You *really are* a fucking retard, you know that, don't you? from the netalert website that YOU LINKED TO: Examples of netiquette include: * responding appropriately to requests Congratulations, Lorn, you complete fucking idiot, you fucking liar, you absolute wanker - You've just demonstrated, once again, for the entire world's verification, that you're the stupidest motherfucker on it. I can't believe you would link to a page which confirms that you broke netiquette first, and that any response telling you that you're a fucking liar, or a fucking wanker, or a fucking retard is entirely justified and warranted. Actually, I can believe it - why stop contradicting yourself just because you look like a retard? I have links, too! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deception http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honour http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morality http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot_(usage)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot_%28usage%29 Given that you insist on ignoring the issues at hand: Wow, I have to give you credit - you certainly are good at completely ignoring damning evidence and not answering questions directly put to you multiple times. Ever considered a career in politics? You'd fit in really well there! How Long does it take to type your address on your freerunner, using the methods described...errr...three(?) emails ago? and now, how long does it take on your PC? How long did it take you to type up my sample sms on your FR running QTe? and why did you do that Many Times, as you claim? seems like wasted effort to me... [snip useless drivel] This useless drivel Lorn refers to is me demonstrating that Lorn is either lying or a complete retard. The fact that he refuses to even acknowledge this and attempted to trim it from all further correspondence indicates to me that it's malice, not stupidity. I'll restore this in the vain hope that perhaps he might address it, rather than ignore it as he has consistently done all afternoon: No one said to use the little qwerty keyboard with fingers. I BEG YOUR PARDON?!?!? Lorn Potter wrote at 12:41pm: Then you can easily switch to the qwerty keyboard. Lorn Potter wrote at 12:41pm: You can even use this with big fingers and hit in between letters and it will still work (suggestively) well. Now, we were discussing the predictive keyboard, and you told me that I could easily switch to the qwerty keyboard... which qwerty keyboard were you referring to, exactly, if not the little qwerty keyboard? There are only two: the predictive keyboard and the qwerty keyboard. Unless you're trying to tell me that there's a difference between 'keyboard' and 'docked keyboard'. I call bullshit. Lorn, you're either completely full of shit, or you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Due to the old adage never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity, I'll give you an opportunity to publicly apologise and explain exactly what the hell you're on about... the way it works, because IT DOESN'T WORK THE WAY YOU'RE SAYING. It does. No, it doesn't. You're either a liar or a fucking retard. I lean towards Liar. If you're a liar, you're *also* a fucking retard - when lying, the non-retard would come up with a *credible* lie, which you're not even bothering with... Or is it that you're just not clever enough? You have absolutely no idea which parts of Qtopia I worked on, so you cannot say I have done a bad job, when in fact, I had no contact with this code. I didn't say Bad, I said shit, which is worse than bad. and, Yeah, I can: Watch me: You've done a shit job. Regardless of any contact you may or may not have had with the code, or your contributions or lack thereof to qtopia, you have done a shit job. Firstly, where's the QTe release that was coming in December? why such inadequate communication? You've done a shit Job. Secondly, you've done an absolutely abysmal job today. Refusing to
Re: [QtExtended] some things
Dale Maggee wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'd suggest you filter out this conversation if you're not interested. This discussion *is* actually leading somewhere, though: Lorn is digging a deeper and deeper hole for himself. And I'm amazed he hasn't just given up and said something like OK, you're right but I'm not going to do anything about it. If not only for appearances! To debates someone's opinion, especially when you _know_ their position is firm, is just ludicrous and even more so when the case put forward is completely valid. Besides contributing to a conversation no company in their right mind would approve of. Speaking of which, you mustn't work for Hutchison ... or you would have run into plenty of Lorns by now :). If you do, you're a rare one. Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Franky, As I said to others, If you don't want to read it, filter out this thread. Personal insults are completely valid and infact necessary when someone provokes me by lying to me and/or being an idiot. Personal attacks are appropriate and warranted in a public forum in this case, because Lorn is trying to spread mistruth in said public forum, and refuses to even discuss the issues, hence he should be shouted out of it. Which is what I'll be doing from now on - any message sent by Lorn to this mailing list from now on will receive a reply indicating that Lorn is a liar and not to be trusted, with links to evidence of him lying. Interestingly enough, this isn't the first time Lorn has been called out for publicly lying: http://zecke.blogspot.com/2007/07/lovely-respond-to-lorn-potter-of.html Feel free to start with some personal attacks of your own now... ;) Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: sorry, but this is way over the top ... personal insults don't belong to a public mailing list. Please stop this, Dale. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJwB9gFbVnQRV3OEYRAs3hAJ4uY1V97Tnpbsa4Krv9xf7W+af76wCfRKId haRfH8qsUi/F2KZVRdGxcTY= =/4v3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Well, personally, I'd recommend you do it by the email subject rather than sender - there's a chance I might say something useful to you in another conversation... ...Lorn won't, though, cuz he's a liar - filtering out by his email address is probably a wise move. Russell Steicke wrote: On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 04:15:53PM +0900, Russell Steicke wrote: :0 * ^From: (Dale Maggee|Lorn Potter) |/dev/null Oops... :0 * ^From: (Dale Maggee|Lorn Potter) /dev/null ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJwCGMFbVnQRV3OEYRAiqFAKCRFVgxHxrWT9AUBObIw/dwCGhYSgCdG/tS owLgCWzX3rPJfB2qh4n9snA= =JoQT -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 roguem...@roguewrt.org wrote: Dale Maggee wrote: This discussion *is* actually leading somewhere, though: Lorn is digging a deeper and deeper hole for himself. And I'm amazed he hasn't just given up and said something like OK, you're right but I'm not going to do anything about it. If not only for appearances! To debates someone's opinion, especially when you _know_ their position is firm, is just ludicrous and even more so when the case put forward is completely valid. Yeah, it's kinda scary. If Lorn had simply acknowledged the issue as valid, this debate would have been over at least 24 hours and 100,000 words ago. Instead, He's managed to initiate a flame war. But then, I don't know if he knows that my position is valid, really - I don't think he's actually reading my emails. If he was, surely by now he would have just run the experiment I asked and reported the times... surely that's easier than consistently ignoring a question I have directly asked five times now... but no. As far as I'm concerned there are two possible reasons for this: He's either not really reading my emails, or he's trying to provoke me. If he's out to provoke me, then mission accomplished. This is not something I would choose to do from my work email address, though. Besides contributing to a conversation no company in their right mind would approve of. Yeah. Sending that kind of crap from his company address, and signing it with a company signature is really scary - is he providing Trolltech / Nokia's official position with regards to this? he is their official representative on this mailing list... Coincidentally enough, minutes after I finished typing up my complaint to Nokia yesterday, I saw a slashdot article come up on my RSS reader: Nokia to slash 1700 jobs... Speaking of which, you mustn't work for Hutchison ... or you would have run into plenty of Lorns by now :). Nope. I don't usually run into these guys that often, perhaps they hear me coming and scatter like the cockroaches they are. When I do run into them, I tend to just bulldoze over them by demonstrating their incompetence. Which is what it boils down to, really - - Lorn is obviously incompetent to do the job he's doing, or pretending to do. People like these don't deserve employment, certainly not in a technical field. As far as I'm concerned, Lorn isn't even qualified to serve me burgers at McDonalds - you need to provide a public face for that too. - -Dale -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJwCTCFbVnQRV3OEYRAu47AJ0VS+nuUqYcy1CJ+rb1uvhapXavfQCgrTgE cvWLYXY3HzhjGq78dFCCaag= =LRLl -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 W.Kenworthy wrote: Sounds even worse than shr/2008x/FSO then - why oh why cant some of the time spent on keyboards for any OM version be put into something that works. Oh, it's ass-and-a-half-of-full-cream-dairy-milk... ;) Yeah, I can't fathom how something so simple could be fucked up so completely, repeatedly... makes you wonder what the hell is going on in less-visible areas, Although given the travesty that is 2008.x, nothing would suprise me really. Never been able to run qt - always tried it on the SD card, which in hindsight, needed a slow clock. Wasn't game to flash it as I needed a phone and if it didnt work on SD ... I've never tried it on the SD card, only flashed it. Works *okay* most of the time. All the software in 2008.x is simply the QTe software hacked to run on X, basically what you get with QTe is kind of like a version of 2008.x which isn't a total abomination - it's actually somewhat responsive - pressing 'answer' actually answers the call, rather than initiating a 10 second preparing to think about acting on your keypress period. With QTe, at Idle, your CPU usage isn't sitting at 20%! :O Think of 2008.x as the bastard, horribly mutated and deformed offspring of QT Extended and some deranged genetic scientist. It also has it's bugs though: * you need to reboot at least once a day or it'll just stop working, period. (A call will come in, and you'll press 'answer' 300 times, and nothing will happen. Eventually you'll just pull the battery and call whoever was trying to call you). * Also, as mentioned, typing an SMS (especially a long one) is a bit of a joke, particularly if you're in a car / on a train - it takes so long to type anything that you may as well just get yourself some carrier pigeons. * Often when you receive a call, it will come in twice, resulting in a missed call from the same number at the same time. * Whenever you answer a call, it will automagically (and very helpfully) switch itself into speakerphone mode, which usually results in a wonderful burst of ear-splitting feedback. This makes for an excellent conversation point, and serves to liven up your day: *RING* *RING* *SCRCH* me: Hang on a second (Switches to handset mode) me: Hello? caller: Hello? Dale? me: Yeah caller: What the hell was that?!? me: Oh, just my phone, it's a piece of junk. caller: Man, your phone really really sucks ass. I can't believe you actually paid money for it. And I can't believe it *still* doesn't work! you can usually fix anything! Linux must be really shit. me: Actually, linux is good, it's just OpenMoko that sucks ass. But with the evidence you're seeing/hearing, I can't really argue it, can I? caller: Nope. There's no way you'll get me using linux after seeing your phone in action. * Also, most/all messages in your inbox will be duplicated whenever you recieve a new SMS, meaning that your inbox will fill up very quickly if you don't delete your sms messages religiously. Moving these messages to trash and emptying trash may or may not delete them from the inbox, depending on the current weather conditions. This is obviously some super-duper kind of backup mechanism, intended to stop me from accidentally deleting SMS messages which I don't want anymore. I am finding shr much more usable than the others at the moment - but even it does have its quirks if you want to use it everyday. I haven't tried SHR yet, can't be bothered with the bullshit involved with backing up your phone, importing contacts, etc. Plus IIUC SHR is based on FSO, which still doesn't have any PIM except for contacts stored on the sim, and for me PIM is important. I was very impressed with the last FSO I flashed, but PIM is the dealbreaker for me there - I'm hanging out for FSO to have PIM integrated, then I might actually have a phone. (Well, actually, I'm not hanging out for it - I'm getting my money back on this godawful abortion of a thing and buying a blackberry) - -D -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJvfFzFbVnQRV3OEYRAucnAJ9c6Cl3OTtQa704ePyiPhd/glLrqACfQ2eD kvYhHAQ6ikLHqH/uJP890BE= =Rrf9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lorn Potter wrote: Sounds even worse than shr/2008x/FSO then - why oh why cant some of the time spent on keyboards for any OM version be put into something that works. Well, obviously that is only his one opinion. Actually, these are facts. actually, Qtopia is by far the best and most usable phone software for the Neo. Notice the phrasing: he said qtopia, not QT Extended. There were a whole lot of bugs introduced in 4.4.2. Clever misdirection there. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJvfK+FbVnQRV3OEYRAuOHAJwOAaM3XG0K8MmQ73tI1rAeIU/6GQCbBFGz 7+cXf1Nchq90xO7Ew8ggomk= =WkVu -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Dale Maggee wrote: _insert previous email here_ With optimism, I have to say qte is rather polished and shows what potential can be gleamed from the FR in certain areas. Optimism aside, I have to agree with Dale on pretty much every point. Although 2008.x is actually quite usable at the moment, comparatively. Lorn, Dale did get personal towards the end but I agree with him in that any rational person would admit or agree that improvements need to be made. Ignoring, sidestepping and belittling his opinion is only going to cause frustration. If you think he is wrong, it takes a simple email to ask the people and gain a consensus. Meanwhile, my FR is currently water logged from a surprise downpour (yay for Melbourne, if we're not burning we're drowning). I doubt it will boot again, it been drying for a day, I'll leave it for a week and see what happens. If it fails to boot, I'm buying an iphone. I've never ever owned anything apple so don't start ;) I used to play logo on a IIe though :) Looking at the bluish corrosion on the battery terminals ... err ... yeah, I think it's gone. It was an abysmal phone but I still feel like I've lost a sheep from the flock or a gnu from the hurd :) The Australian component is diminishing quickly :( Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lorn Potter wrote: Quite actually, I was using the predictive keyboard long before anyone on this list was, so yes, I have done this. Many times. Quite actually??? Quite what? work on your english. So you've done it, many times... awesome... I note however that you didn't actually answer my question: How Long does it take? and now, how long does it take on your PC? How long did it take you to type up my sample sms on your FR running QTe? and why did you do that Many Times, as you claim? seems like wasted effort to me... Also, if you'd like to explain why I should CARE IN THE SLIGHTEST that you were using it long before anyone else, I'd love to hear it. umm, yes. I can access the menu just fine with my finger. Options - Change Input Method. ok, fair enough, so you can do it in 2 clicks, which cycles input methods. Neat! Unfortunately, however, as is your usual, you've not really answered my question: I was interested in bringing up the list of input methods, not cycling through them. It should be 2 clicks to change from predictive to qwerty, and 2 to go back. You're advocating 2 clicks to get to the qwerty keyboard, and 7 clicks to get back. How efficient. A use case is usually something that is very often used and repeatable for any user. Typing 'antidisestablishmentarianism' is hardly typical. So, you're going to squibble over semantics, rather than actually discussing the issues at hand? right. Sure sounds like you're interested in quality. In all the work I've ever done, I'd consider a worst-case-scenario to be a use case, and very worthy of concern. As far as I'm concerned, if you don't agree with that assessment, then that's a good explanation as to why your software is shit. No, but he will need to add those words to the common dictionary before they will show up in the list of words. To enter a word in the dictionary - simply press and hold the letters method. Are you saying that any word I type which isn't in the dictionary is automatically added? if this is the case then why is the word 'wot', which I use *all the time*, not in my dictionary? Where is 'antidisestablishmentarianism', which I typed earlier today? There are too many niche scenarios to target, so we targeted common, most used ones. ...and when someone brings up one you didn't target? Ignore it? stick your head in the sand? tell them that they're imagining it? This is a really great way to write shit software. News flash: Users don't care what your software is designed to do, or what use cases you have designed it to meet, they're interested in what it ACTUALLY DOES and whether it FITS THEIR REQUIREMENTS. This 'uncommon' scenario which you'd like to ignore is a valid, real-world scenario, and worthy of your attention if you're actually serious about writing decent software. If you're not interested in writing decent software, then fine, but you should at least stop pretending it's useful for anybody other than you if you're not interested in other people's scenarios (I'll refrain from using the term use-case because I'd hate for you to confuse it with something you care about). No, it was not a suggested word, as it was longer than any suggestions it could find, so it just took the letters I was typing in. So... you've completely ignored the entire point of my example, and have not addressed the concerns I raise at all. I did. its not in the dictionary. see my statement above. So... you now have a *misspelled* word in your sms editor? and you not only typed it out, but then corrected that to a properly spelled 'antidisestablishmentarianism', all in under 10 seconds? Obviously this is not what you are claiming... What I'd suggest you do is try actually reading my previous email, following my example steps, and making an informed comment regarding my concerns. As opposed to completely ignoring them and focusing on semantics, which is all you've really done in this email. Once you do that, your missEnglish word will be in the dictionary, or it should be. Then it will find it and you won't have to tap the whole word ever again. Thus saving you hours of tapping time if you would have used even a desktop keyboard. Right, so you *are* saying that anything I type is added automatically... So, you're telling me that if I accidentally misspell 'antidisestablishmentarianism', the misspelling will be added to the dictionary, and from now on it will *only* suggest the misspelt version, meaning that next time I am *forced* to type it letter-by-letter. wow, how awesome! I think, however, that you're really just digging a big fucking hole for yourself, because 'antidisestablishmentarianism' is *NOT* in my dictionary, and neither are any of the intentional mis-spellings I've typed today (or, in fact, ever, as far as I can see). If I were you, I'd steer clear of espousing the virtues of FEATURES THAT DO NOT WORK - it just makes you sound
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 roguem...@roguewrt.org wrote: Dale Maggee wrote: _insert previous email here_ With optimism, I have to say qte is rather polished and shows what potential can be gleamed from the FR in certain areas. Optimism aside, I have to agree with Dale on pretty much every point. Although 2008.x is actually quite usable at the moment, comparatively. Lorn, Dale did get personal towards the end but I agree with him in that any rational person would admit or agree that improvements need to be made. Ignoring, sidestepping and belittling his opinion is only going to cause frustration. If you think he is wrong, it takes a simple email to ask the people and gain a consensus. Meanwhile, my FR is currently water logged from a surprise downpour (yay for Melbourne, if we're not burning we're drowning). I doubt it will boot again, it been drying for a day, I'll leave it for a week and see what happens. If it fails to boot, I'm buying an iphone. I've never ever owned anything apple so don't start ;) I used to play logo on a IIe though :) Looking at the bluish corrosion on the battery terminals ... err ... yeah, I think it's gone. It was an abysmal phone but I still feel like I've lost a sheep from the flock or a gnu from the hurd :) The Australian component is diminishing quickly :( Sarton Thanks for your support. It is clearly completely unacceptable to sidestep the issues and focus on semantics. burying your head in the sand doesn't make problems go away. That's bad news on the FR, although personally I wouldn't be too upset - you'll now be able to get a real, usable phone. And Personally I'd recommend blackberry's products over an iphone. If you think he is wrong, it takes a simple email to ask the people and gain a consensus. Exactly. but we all know this isn't going to happen - how idiotic would you feel when the public survey agrees 98% to 2% that your input methods are absolute shit, especially after you've spent an afternoon defending your retarded position? Cheers, - -Dale -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJvg2MFbVnQRV3OEYRAqbhAKCFxu1o0wcqNe5xz8gRk++pQ/AwEACdHmwk AozxpcayY23DSXhpwYBBaLs= =Hxju -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
To Dale (and in a lesser extent to Lorn): let's agree to disagree, shall we? Some like the predictive keyboard, some don't. There should be an easy way to disable the predictive part, for those that don't like it (or indeed the word you typed should always be the first suggested). But that aside: stop ranting please. I agree with you, Dale, that the keyboard needs work (well, it was my mail that started this all) but I also agree with Lorn that qtopia (the former name for qtextended) is by far the best distribution for the openmoko for now (no other even comes close to a pim, and qtextended imported all my contacts just nicely, with picture even). qtextended needs work, the keyboard needs work (in my opinion), etc ... we all now it :-) Personal attacks should be left aside here, Lorn was one of the major developpers of qtextended, and give credit where credit is due ... Franky On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Dale Maggee anti...@internode.on.netwrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lorn Potter wrote: Quite actually, I was using the predictive keyboard long before anyone on this list was, so yes, I have done this. Many times. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dale Maggee wrote: (Alot, handing Lorn his ass on a silver platter, with dill leaves for garnish and Lorn's choice of Chips with salad or vegetables on the side, Pwning him back to whatever hole he crawled from after 3 months of complete silence followed by an afternoon of complete bullshit). I Forgot one thing in my previous email: PREDICTION: Lorn won't reply cuz I pwned him so hard he has to go to perth to look for his dignity. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJvhAEFbVnQRV3OEYRAu3sAJ0Td2avFYHnfD3M8W2q9whoGHwmwQCgv4zM olwNzOGIciOxPzwV8ndNf5Q= =P/PA -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Franky, This is not about agreeing or disagreeing, this is about Lorn's refusal to acknowledge that there are issues with his software. All he has to do is a) acknowledge that there are issues b) address the concerns I have raised, rather than commenting that my use of the word use-case does not fit his definition and c) stop the lying / idiocy he's currently demonstrating. You'll note that at no point have I ever said that QT Extended isn't the best software currently available for the FreeRunner - I will happily, clearly, and unequivacobly state that QT Extended *is* the best software currently available for the freerunner. However that doesn't mean it isn't shit. Personal attacks are merited, warranted, and infact neccessary when somebody starts lying and/or being monumentally stupid, which is exactly what Lorn has done today. Yes, Lorn was one of the major developers of QT Extended, and credit should be given where it's due: Lorn, as one of the major developers of what is currently the best piece of software available for the FreeRunner, I'd like to take this opportunity to say that you have written a buggy piece of shit. Congrats on that. - -Dale Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: To Dale (and in a lesser extent to Lorn): let's agree to disagree, shall we? Some like the predictive keyboard, some don't. There should be an easy way to disable the predictive part, for those that don't like it (or indeed the word you typed should always be the first suggested). But that aside: stop ranting please. I agree with you, Dale, that the keyboard needs work (well, it was my mail that started this all) but I also agree with Lorn that qtopia (the former name for qtextended) is by far the best distribution for the openmoko for now (no other even comes close to a pim, and qtextended imported all my contacts just nicely, with picture even). qtextended needs work, the keyboard needs work (in my opinion), etc ... we all now it :-) Personal attacks should be left aside here, Lorn was one of the major developpers of qtextended, and give credit where credit is due ... Franky On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Dale Maggee anti...@internode.on.netwrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lorn Potter wrote: Quite actually, I was using the predictive keyboard long before anyone on this list was, so yes, I have done this. Many times. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJvhJ3FbVnQRV3OEYRAn6FAKC1zLbAEs9rEcMTl8CJkol7fZDpgQCfQ8aF z9O4xrhu66kJCKnJwDHvRfA= =w4rD -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
Dale, you must have a problem not related to Qt Extended at all. Do you think someone is interested in your long and offensive mails that have nearly zero information? Don't you like the keyboard? Send a patch. If you have idea - write it down as short as it can be. If the idea's good someone will pick it up. Otherwise please stop spamming this list with this offensive nonsence. Thanks Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Radek, I'm just going to address this in quick dot points: you must have a problem not related to Qt Extended at all. My issue *is* with QT Extended. You suggesting that it is otherwise indicates that you haven't read my emails properly / thoroughly. I'd suggest you do that. Do you think someone is interested in your long and offensive mails * I'm not interested in whether people want to read my opinion of the software, or whether people take offense at it. What I am interested in is expressing my concerns including a description of the issues I'm seeing using the software. What I am *more* interested in is the developer trying to tell me that my problems are not actually problems, trying to pretend like his software is infallible and/or it's me at fault, when it is clearly and demonstrably the software which is at issue. that have nearly zero information? * My emails contain quite a lot of information, much of it highly detailed. I'd suggest you read through them in their entirety with detachment, rather than allowing their tone to feed your emotions and provoke a kneejerk reaction. Don't you like the keyboard? Send a patch. * Already addressed in my previous emails, try actually reading them to find out what I said about this. If you have idea - write it down as short as it can be. Yep, I did that, and Lorn proceeded to tell me that this was not a valid use case. Which is utter bullshit. If the idea's good someone will pick it up. At least two people have replied agreeing with the issue, but not the developer of the software. If you'd read my emails properly you'd most likely also agree. Otherwise please stop spamming this list with this offensive nonsence. 1. I'll stop when Lorn acknowledges that his software is not perfect, and apologises to me for effectively trying to tell me that the issues I and others have with the software do not matter, or are imaginary. 2. Re-read my emails, they contain no nonsence, and neither do they contain any nonsense. I'd suggest you actually read them as a thread, and you'll find that I have legitimate concerns, which Lorn refuses to acknowledge. 3. If you have a problem with this thread, filter it out. I'd suggest actually reading it in entirety before you do so, though. 4. Please feel free to participate constructively to this thread ONCE YOU HAVE ACTUALLY READ MY EMAILS. Regards, - -Dale -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJviKOFbVnQRV3OEYRAiVtAKCvg8WW/Wg+yXX2I9ewtZ4redtDQQCdGfUa usbvnWT0N69yGXU0moQSBVw= =w82z -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On 16/03/2009, at 6:38 PM, Dale Maggee wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dale Maggee wrote: [snip BS] PREDICTION: Lorn won't reply cuz I pwned him so hard he has to go to perth to look for his dignity. I think your spell checker is failing, because you use nonsensical words and misspellings. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 07:27:57PM +1100, Dale Maggee wrote: boot again, it been drying for a day, I'll leave it for a week and see what happens. If it fails to boot, I'm buying an iphone. Thanks for your support. It is clearly completely unacceptable to sidestep the issues and focus on semantics. burying your head in the sand doesn't make problems go away. It's funny but I think I'm one of few people who will actually get out of your mails what you are trying to get across, though you are clearly at the end of a major bout of frustration, which I can't blame you for :) You actually remind me of my father, that kind of wit and intellect makes him a rather good businessman (and very high paid one at a very large telco). I too don't understand why some devs aren't willing to take a completely presented and well constructed criticism, and admit that more could be done (or redone). I don't think that anyone who has replied has understood that prior to the use of colourful language, there was no acceptance of your criticism or your opinion. Luckily, this is more a qte thing within the OM world. All others have at least attempted to accomodate more useful features, or ways of implementing additional features. In some ways I'm tempted to think there was or is intent there. But that would be their prerogative I suppose, which then comes back to what is actually disclosed. That's bad news on the FR, although personally I wouldn't be too upset - you'll now be able to get a real, usable phone. And Personally I'd recommend blackberry's products over an iphone. Hah! you are my father! hehe ...besides him owning every incantation, I think it's actually a telco thing, they like their blackberries. And I wasn't upset, funnily enough, it wasn't like actually losing a phone, with the whole 5 contacts I bothered to store from the last flash. I would buy a blackberry but: 1). I couldn't tell my dad ever! 2). I'm a gamer and love my toys. Actually, 3). I can't help spending money on things that might do more than they are suppose to :) Some things turn out to do less, or other tasks entirely! ;) If you think he is wrong, it takes a simple email to ask the people and gain a consensus. Exactly. but we all know this isn't going to happen - how idiotic would you feel when the public survey agrees 98% to 2% that your input methods are absolute shit, especially after you've spent an afternoon defending your retarded position? If nothing, I've been having a good ol' chuckle, prolly cause my phone is dead, but it is good to see a passionate aussie on an open source maillinglist :) Doubt I'll be posting again on this list any time soon (but fingers crossed and hopefully I'm still welcome hehe). Take it easy mate. Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
I had to chime in one more time. On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 08:40:03PM +1000, Lorn Potter wrote: On 16/03/2009, at 6:38 PM, Dale Maggee wrote: [snip BS] Dale may have been direct in his oppinion of you but he included everything you deemed constructive. PREDICTION: Lorn won't reply cuz I pwned him so hard he has to go to perth to look for his dignity. I think your spell checker is failing, because you use nonsensical words and misspellings. But the correct answer is: Dale, there _are_ concerns with the input method, they could definitely be better, but I'm not the one who will address your concerns (and nobody ever will?). Thank you for using QTE. BTW. I use mutt ... is there a spell checker? Never bothered looking :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
On 16/03/2009, at 7:57 PM, Dale Maggee wrote: seeing using the software. What I am *more* interested in is the developer trying to tell me that my problems are not actually problems, trying to pretend like his software is infallible and/or it's me at fault, when it is clearly and demonstrably the software which is at issue. There is no 'the' developer. Qtopia was a project that had many developers. There were more than 30 developers of qtopia, not including the Qt part. Include that, and you near about 80. I am quite flattered that you think I was a major contributor to Qtopia. In reality, I was only a major developer for the Neo device configuration. that have nearly zero information? * My emails contain quite a lot of information, much of it highly detailed. I'd suggest you read through them in their entirety with detachment, rather than allowing their tone to feed your emotions and provoke a kneejerk reaction. Don't you like the keyboard? Send a patch. agreed. * Already addressed in my previous emails, try actually reading them to find out what I said about this. How can we when you just rant on and on and on? If you have idea - write it down as short as it can be. Yep, I did that, and Lorn proceeded to tell me that this was not a valid use case. Which is utter bullshit. That's fine if you do not like my opinion, but that doesn't make it invalid. You need to separate opinions from facts, because you seem to be getting them mixed up. If the idea's good someone will pick it up. At least two people have replied agreeing with the issue, but not the developer of the software. If you'd read my emails properly you'd most likely also agree. Otherwise please stop spamming this list with this offensive nonsence. 1. I'll stop when Lorn acknowledges that his software is not perfect, and apologises to me for effectively trying to tell me that the issues I and others have with the software do not matter, or are imaginary. For one, it isn't MY software, and I never said it didn't have issues. I have no reason to apologize. Show me where I stated your issues do not matter, or were imaginary? What I told you was a way to work with the software, as it is. You could have found that out yourself, it you would have read the help to see how it works. It is not that complicated, but you must know how it works to use it correctly. Like driving a car. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 How can we when you just rant on and on and on? It's easy: What you do is read the emails, and then address the concerns I raised. Things you shouldn't do include: Contradicting yourself, telling me about the virtues of features that don't work, and playing word-games with semantics while avoiding the actual issues. What I told you was a way to work with the software, as it is. You could have found that out yourself, it you would have read the help to see how it works. It is not that complicated, but you must know how it works to use it correctly. Like driving a car. Um, no. What you have told me is a) nothing I didn't already know b) inadequate to address the concerns I raised. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJvjXdFbVnQRV3OEYRAjdwAJ9o6N49KUcH/x8sOMMIMsLXSMDPQwCbB6sL Zy6ko1OMupZCqNhBpEvaezQ= =u0x8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
On 16/03/2009, at 6:21 PM, Dale Maggee wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lorn Potter wrote: Quite actually, I was using the predictive keyboard long before anyone on this list was, so yes, I have done this. Many times. Quite actually??? Quite what? work on your english. So you've done it, many times... awesome... I note however that you didn't actually answer my question: How Long does it take? and now, how long does it take on your PC? How long did it take you to type up my sample sms on your FR running QTe? and why did you do that Many Times, as you claim? seems like wasted effort to me... Also, if you'd like to explain why I should CARE IN THE SLIGHTEST that you were using it long before anyone else, I'd love to hear it. because just perhaps I have an insight in how one is supposed to actually be using it. umm, yes. I can access the menu just fine with my finger. Options - Change Input Method. ok, fair enough, so you can do it in 2 clicks, which cycles input methods. Neat! Unfortunately, however, as is your usual, you've not really answered my question: I was interested in bringing up the list of input methods, not cycling through them. It should be 2 clicks to change from predictive to qwerty, and 2 to go back. You're advocating 2 clicks to get to the qwerty keyboard, and 7 clicks to get back. How efficient. The list of input methods was actually depreciated. What you are seeing is that someone didn't have the time or inspiration to remove that from the neo's theme. A use case is usually something that is very often used and repeatable for any user. Typing 'antidisestablishmentarianism' is hardly typical. So, you're going to squibble over semantics, rather than actually discussing the issues at hand? right. Sure sounds like you're interested in quality. In all the work I've ever done, I'd consider a worst-case-scenario to be a use case, and very worthy of concern. As far as I'm concerned, if you don't agree with that assessment, then that's a good explanation as to why your software is shit. No, but he will need to add those words to the common dictionary before they will show up in the list of words. To enter a word in the dictionary - simply press and hold the letters method. Are you saying that any word I type which isn't in the dictionary is automatically added? if this is the case then why is the word 'wot', which I use *all the time*, not in my dictionary? Where is 'antidisestablishmentarianism', which I typed earlier today? There are too many niche scenarios to target, so we targeted common, most used ones. ...and when someone brings up one you didn't target? Ignore it? stick your head in the sand? tell them that they're imagining it? This is a really great way to write shit software. News flash: Users don't care what your software is designed to do, or correction: _you_ don't care what the software was designed to do. Right, so you *are* saying that anything I type is added automatically... No, I didn't say that. So, you're telling me that if I accidentally misspell 'antidisestablishmentarianism', the misspelling will be added to the dictionary, and from now on it will *only* suggest the misspelt version, meaning that next time I am *forced* to type it letter-by-letter. wow, how awesome! I can't believe you failed to read the help for the input method. Actually I can. In fact, I can even edit those misspellings, but I will leave that as an endeavor for the reader. I think, however, that you're really just digging a big fucking hole for yourself, because 'antidisestablishmentarianism' is *NOT* in my dictionary, and neither are any of the intentional mis-spellings I've typed today (or, in fact, ever, as far as I can see). If I were you, I'd steer clear of espousing the virtues of FEATURES THAT DO NOT WORK - it just makes you sound even more stupid, really. well, it certainly works for me. [snip useless drivel] I am merely explaining to you the way it works. No, you're trying to minimise the impact of my concerns, and pretend that they're not valid. You're pretending like you haven't written shit software when you have. You're acting like a complete retard, posting what are either outright lies or uninformed bullshit. Either is unacceptable from the developer of a product. You're not even explaining the way it works, because IT DOESN'T WORK THE WAY YOU'RE SAYING. It does. You'll note that I never said I could do a better job, only that *you have done a shit job*. These are two completely different things... So, what's your point? You have absolutely no idea which parts of Qtopia I worked on, so you cannot say I have done a bad job, when in fact, I had no contact with this code. I suppose, 'those that cannot do, just complain and expect someone else to fix things for them'.
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sarton, A *big* Thank You to you for actually bothering to take the time to read my emails in their entirety! I too don't understand why some devs aren't willing to take a completely presented and well constructed criticism, and admit that more could be done (or redone). I don't think that anyone who has replied has understood that prior to the use of colourful language, there was no acceptance of your criticism or your opinion. Luckily, this is more a qte thing within the OM world. All others have at least attempted to accomodate more useful features, or ways of implementing additional features. In some ways I'm tempted to think there was or is intent there. But that would be their prerogative I suppose, which then comes back to what is actually disclosed. Yeah, it's very strange. In my opinion, there's only really one explanation: Incompetence. Not necessarily incompetence in software development, more a general failure at a human level. To be able to do that, you'd have to not really care about the software you've written. Personally, I want the guys who wrote all the software I use to put in the same kind of dedication as I do into my projects - when a user comes to me with really weird requirements, I see it as a challenge! I immediately say to myself How can I accommodate that. This mentality of that's not a problem is ridiculous and as far as I'm concerned harmful. I've dealt with people who take the that's not a problem approach before, and I've seen their contracts come and go (and they *do* come and go - invariably they piss off their clients, and their contracts don't get renewed), and then I often get to redesign their projects with some sanity and care, and they work much better, and everyone is happy. Yeah, it actually occurred to me today to me that Trolltech seem to be doing their very best to get me to buy a Nokia... Strange, that... ;) A couple of days ago I was actually thinking Nokia. Now, I'll be getting a blackberry after today's little debacle, just in case. In fact, I might just point that out to somebody at Nokia's PR department: Congratulations: an employee of one of your subsiduaries has just ensured that I will never purchase another Nokia, and that I'll tell all my friends to steer clear of Nokia products from now on. Hah! you are my father! hehe ...besides him owning every incantation, I think it's actually a telco thing, they like their blackberries. hahaha... and you know what? I work at a telco... but I don't remember ever having kids! I deny everything! ;) I would buy a blackberry but: 1). I couldn't tell my dad ever! 2). I'm a gamer and love my toys. Actually, 3). I can't help spending money on things that might do more than they are suppose to :) Some things turn out to do less, or other tasks entirely! ;) hehe, well in that case, I guess an iphone is probably your best bet. My major issue with the iphone is their app store crap, and then there's the non-removable battery. Plus it's Apple. I'm not really into mobile gaming (I play my games on a 2.5m Projector screen!), so that's not an issue for me. although right now I'd choose Apple over Nokia! If nothing, I've been having a good ol' chuckle, prolly cause my phone is dead, but it is good to see a passionate aussie on an open source maillinglist :) Well I'm glad that *somebody* is reading my mails and actually getting them - facts, humor, vicious stabs, and all... Cheers, - -Dale -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJvjyvFbVnQRV3OEYRAm4OAKCNI3czWr2u/KWaGI0VeuqqdSNlMQCgvx+8 e6dizZ+bWxnhTMt9Wsmf+Rc= =3H6k -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lorn Potter wrote: Nah, I'm not concerned with symantics, I'm all about software development. If it appears that in every single email I've sent this afternoon, I have dealt entirely with grammar, spelling, and choice of words, you're actually imagining it. Yep, that's the result of you hallucinating - I was actually talking software the whole time, and went over some really full-on technical issues. It was a productive afternoon. Anyone accusing me of focusing on the trivialities of the english language while somebody was attempting to engage me in a discussion of the software's shortcomings was also hallucinating. I'm not being evasive, I promise! Would I lie to you (more than 5 times in a single conversation)? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJvlJXFbVnQRV3OEYRAusqAJoCqx++MQdey7zeUfwai4lElQxB2ACeMALC WCFFWd/Izuw67RcMrQSfjvM= =W/P+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Aah, the fun continues... because just perhaps I have an insight in how one is supposed to actually be using it. I think it's pretty clear at this point that the word insight is completely foreign to you. Wow, I have to give you credit - you certainly are good at completely ignoring damning evidence and not answering questions directly put to you multiple times. Ever considered a career in politics? You'd fit in really well there! How Long does it take to type your address on your freerunner, using the methods described...errr...three(?) emails ago? and now, how long does it take on your PC? How long did it take you to type up my sample sms on your FR running QTe? and why did you do that Many Times, as you claim? seems like wasted effort to me... The list of input methods was actually depreciated. What you are seeing is that someone didn't have the time or inspiration to remove that from the neo's theme. Translation from asshat to english: The software is shit. We couldn't be bothered doing it properly, and our test plans and use cases, which we value more highly than actual real-world scenarios, are a joke. Oh, and I'm still going to ignore all your concerns and refuse to answer the questions you've posed. correction: _you_ don't care what the software was designed to do. Again, you demonstrate your ignorance in a shining example of your inadequacy as a both a human being and a software developer. It's pretty obvious from this statement that you've never even bothered to speak with an end-user. Your correction is fundamentally flawed and incorrect, and my original statement remains valid. No, I didn't say that. You really are a shifty motherfucker, I'll give you that. I just absolutely love the oh, that's not what I said, without any explanation of what you actually *did* say, or addressing the concerns I raised. Brilliant. It's getting to be a recurring theme, though, what with you contradicting yourself in your previous email via the same mechanism. Maybe next time you should try something different, like... oh, I don't know... maybe... being honest? Addressing the issues I've raised? I know that's not your style, but maybe you could try it, just for something completely different? I can't believe you failed to read the help for the input method. Actually I can. In fact, I can even edit those misspellings, but I will leave that as an endeavor for the reader. So basically what you're saying is that an intuitive interface is optional, not really desirable because you know how to use it, and really just too much effort... [snip useless drivel] This useless drivel Lorn refers to is me demonstrating that Lorn is either lying or a complete retard. The fact that he refuses to even acknowledge this and attempted to trim it from all further correspondence indicates to me that it's malice, not stupidity. I'll restore this in the vain hope that perhaps he might address it, rather than ignore it as he has consistently done all afternoon: No one said to use the little qwerty keyboard with fingers. I BEG YOUR PARDON?!?!? Lorn Potter wrote at 12:41pm: Then you can easily switch to the qwerty keyboard. Lorn Potter wrote at 12:41pm: You can even use this with big fingers and hit in between letters and it will still work (suggestively) well. Now, we were discussing the predictive keyboard, and you told me that I could easily switch to the qwerty keyboard... which qwerty keyboard were you referring to, exactly, if not the little qwerty keyboard? There are only two: the predictive keyboard and the qwerty keyboard. Unless you're trying to tell me that there's a difference between 'keyboard' and 'docked keyboard'. I call bullshit. Lorn, you're either completely full of shit, or you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Due to the old adage never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity, I'll give you an opportunity to publicly apologise and explain exactly what the hell you're on about... the way it works, because IT DOESN'T WORK THE WAY YOU'RE SAYING. It does. No, it doesn't. You're either a liar or a fucking retard. I lean towards Liar. If you're a liar, you're *also* a fucking retard - when lying, the non-retard would come up with a *credible* lie, which you're not even bothering with... Or is it that you're just not clever enough? You have absolutely no idea which parts of Qtopia I worked on, so you cannot say I have done a bad job, when in fact, I had no contact with this code. I didn't say Bad, I said shit, which is worse than bad. and, Yeah, I can: Watch me: You've done a shit job. Regardless of any contact you may or may not have had with the code, or your contributions or lack thereof to qtopia, you have done a shit job. Firstly, where's the QTe release that was coming in December? why such inadequate communication? You've done a shit Job. Secondly, you've done an
Re: [QtExtended] some things
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Lorn Potter lpot...@trolltech.com wrote: Unfortunately, however, as is your usual, you've not really answered my question: I was interested in bringing up the list of input methods, not cycling through them. It should be 2 clicks to change from predictive to qwerty, and 2 to go back. You're advocating 2 clicks to get to the qwerty keyboard, and 7 clicks to get back. How efficient. The list of input methods was actually depreciated. What you are seeing is that someone didn't have the time or inspiration to remove that from the neo's theme. Hi Lorn, now this is interesting ... do you know what it should've become then? Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009, roguem...@roguewrt.org wrote: BTW. I use mutt ... is there a spell checker? Never bothered looking :) I use mutt as well, and have it configured to use vim as the editor, where you can have spell checking (and a ton of other features). [please let's not start a Emacs/Vim flamewar :)] --gera. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha That's *really* funny! I don't know what would you say, if I'll tell you that I'm programming on FreeRunner using qwerty keyboard and only with finger (for instance in train - PM module in shr-settings is from train and was written only with finger) ;) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 07:28, Dale Maggee anti...@internode.on.net wrote: I haven't tried SHR yet, can't be bothered with the bullshit involved with backing up your phone, importing contacts, etc. Plus IIUC SHR is based on FSO, which still doesn't have any PIM except for contacts stored on the sim, and for me PIM is important. FSO has had PIM (opimd) since milestone5 (but disabled by default). SHR will use it in nearly future. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Johny Tenfinger wrote: I don't know what would you say, if I'll tell you that I'm programming on FreeRunner using qwerty keyboard and only with finger (for instance in train - PM module in shr-settings is from train and was written only with finger) ;) Is this in SHR? If so, maybe it's worth trying out. Programming on FR with finger only = Impressive! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJvlz4FbVnQRV3OEYRAtz2AJ9ClmBTMHS6IkwCzAKCKad7G+6Z4gCeIWFk CLZcl3BAf0bI0fw6O3b2mx4= =OSNs -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 15:06, Dale Maggee anti...@internode.on.net wrote: Is this in SHR? If so, maybe it's worth trying out. Yes, it's standard Illume keyboard. SHR is using that ;) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Johny Tenfinger wrote: FSO has had PIM (opimd) since milestone5 (but disabled by default). SHR will use it in nearly future. O RLY?!? :D Awesome! So there's progress being made on that front at least, that's great to hear! SHR is sounding more and more like it's worth checking out! And the developers actually read emails in their entirety! ;) Any Idea how soon near future might be? (I know, it's probably hard to answer, but even a rough guess would be great... days? weeks? months?). Thanks for chipping in! This thread has now actually provided me with some useful info! :) - -Dale -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJvmRVFbVnQRV3OEYRAu4ZAJ9DvaLYSnMsBASDmr4Q7KW0dsctGQCghPnL D5gkXXBZPxY3MJVCQDUe7DI= =1jKr -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Johny Tenfinger wrote: On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 15:06, Dale Maggee anti...@internode.on.net wrote: Is this in SHR? If so, maybe it's worth trying out. Yes, it's standard Illume keyboard. SHR is using that ;) aah, excellent - that keyboard works quite well once you force it to always use the terminal keyboard, as Bill suggested earlier in this thread. Yup, 'Trying out SHR' just got added to my list of things to do. :) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJvmTgFbVnQRV3OEYRAi9BAJ0RVOfmln5WEe+hFAGVqp7qU47tygCfYITm DiptnRhM8dEjSuk1OdvWWYc= =XFej -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Dale Maggee anti...@internode.on.netwrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Johny Tenfinger wrote: FSO has had PIM (opimd) since milestone5 (but disabled by default). SHR will use it in nearly future. O RLY?!? :D Awesome! So there's progress being made on that front at least, that's great to hear! SHR is sounding more and more like it's worth checking out! And the developers actually read emails in their entirety! ;) Any Idea how soon near future might be? (I know, it's probably hard to answer, but even a rough guess would be great... days? weeks? months?). Thanks for chipping in! This thread has now actually provided me with some useful info! :) - -Dale hehe :-) But anyway, SHR will use it in the near future, but so far, I haven't seen any commits in the git concerning this part. As long as pim is not in shr, I'll be sticking with qtextended ... Paroli also uses pim, but it disables everything else on the phone (you can just do the phone stuff, not reading docs, playing games, etc ...) So my top 3 distro list goes: 1) QtExtended, for fast response time and pim. Would be nice to see a good gps app integrated though, and a webbrowser that works :-) 2) SHR (but since there's no pim ...) 3) Paroli (if nothing else is there, I need the pim ...), and paroli is not yet ready for production use. Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
On Monday 16 March 2009, Dale Maggee wrote: Johny Tenfinger wrote: On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 15:06, Dale Maggee anti...@internode.on.net wrote: Is this in SHR? If so, maybe it's worth trying out. Yes, it's standard Illume keyboard. SHR is using that ;) aah, excellent - that keyboard works quite well once you force it to always use the terminal keyboard, as Bill suggested earlier in this thread. The 'corrective' part also works really well once you know how it works, and the more you use it the better it gets because it picks up your words and their usage frequency. It always offers exactly what you entered too. It's not perfect, but it's better than anything else I've used onscreen for ordinary text. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
Dale Maggee wrote: Aah, the fun continues... [snip utter nonsense] http://www.netalert.gov.au/advice/behaviour/netiquette_emoticons/What_is_netiquette.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lorn Potter wrote: Dale Maggee wrote: Aah, the fun continues... [snip utter nonsense] Utter nonsense, again, including questions which you persist in ignoring, and discussion of the issues with your shit software which you categorically refuse to discuss or even acknowledge exist. http://www.netalert.gov.au/advice/behaviour/netiquette_emoticons/What_is_netiquette.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette So... you can copy and paste a web address, good for you! I guess, it *is* more than I would have expected from someone of your special-ness. Were the people at the spastic society proud of you for accomplishing that? did they give you a gold star? You *really are* a fucking retard, you know that, don't you? from the netalert website that YOU LINKED TO: Examples of netiquette include: * responding appropriately to requests Congratulations, Lorn, you complete fucking idiot, you fucking liar, you absolute wanker - You've just demonstrated, once again, for the entire world's verification, that you're the stupidest motherfucker on it. I can't believe you would link to a page which confirms that you broke netiquette first, and that any response telling you that you're a fucking liar, or a fucking wanker, or a fucking retard is entirely justified and warranted. Actually, I can believe it - why stop contradicting yourself just because you look like a retard? I have links, too! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deception http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honour http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morality http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot_(usage) Given that you insist on ignoring the issues at hand: Wow, I have to give you credit - you certainly are good at completely ignoring damning evidence and not answering questions directly put to you multiple times. Ever considered a career in politics? You'd fit in really well there! How Long does it take to type your address on your freerunner, using the methods described...errr...three(?) emails ago? and now, how long does it take on your PC? How long did it take you to type up my sample sms on your FR running QTe? and why did you do that Many Times, as you claim? seems like wasted effort to me... [snip useless drivel] This useless drivel Lorn refers to is me demonstrating that Lorn is either lying or a complete retard. The fact that he refuses to even acknowledge this and attempted to trim it from all further correspondence indicates to me that it's malice, not stupidity. I'll restore this in the vain hope that perhaps he might address it, rather than ignore it as he has consistently done all afternoon: No one said to use the little qwerty keyboard with fingers. I BEG YOUR PARDON?!?!? Lorn Potter wrote at 12:41pm: Then you can easily switch to the qwerty keyboard. Lorn Potter wrote at 12:41pm: You can even use this with big fingers and hit in between letters and it will still work (suggestively) well. Now, we were discussing the predictive keyboard, and you told me that I could easily switch to the qwerty keyboard... which qwerty keyboard were you referring to, exactly, if not the little qwerty keyboard? There are only two: the predictive keyboard and the qwerty keyboard. Unless you're trying to tell me that there's a difference between 'keyboard' and 'docked keyboard'. I call bullshit. Lorn, you're either completely full of shit, or you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Due to the old adage never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity, I'll give you an opportunity to publicly apologise and explain exactly what the hell you're on about... the way it works, because IT DOESN'T WORK THE WAY YOU'RE SAYING. It does. No, it doesn't. You're either a liar or a fucking retard. I lean towards Liar. If you're a liar, you're *also* a fucking retard - when lying, the non-retard would come up with a *credible* lie, which you're not even bothering with... Or is it that you're just not clever enough? You have absolutely no idea which parts of Qtopia I worked on, so you cannot say I have done a bad job, when in fact, I had no contact with this code. I didn't say Bad, I said shit, which is worse than bad. and, Yeah, I can: Watch me: You've done a shit job. Regardless of any contact you may or may not have had with the code, or your contributions or lack thereof to qtopia, you have done a shit job. Firstly, where's the QTe release that was coming in December? why such inadequate communication? You've done a shit Job. Secondly, you've done an absolutely abysmal job today. Refusing to acknowledge or address my concerns, as far as I'm concerned, means that you're just a fucking wanker who has no sense of pride in his work, and would rather pretend that a product is adequate, when it's clearly not, than even acknowledge it's faults. This is a *SHIT JOB*, and you've done it. Hence, sing it with me: *YOU HAVE DONE A
Re: [QtExtended] some things
Dale Maggee wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lorn Potter wrote: Dale Maggee wrote: Aah, the fun continues... [snip utter nonsense] and you have just demonstrated your maturity level. Go home, your parents want to wash your mouth out with soap. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Dale, lorn ... please, go take a cold shower and a few deep breaths to cool down. This discussion isn't leading anywhere ... W On Tuesday 17 March 2009 01:39:22 Lorn Potter wrote: Dale Maggee wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lorn Potter wrote: Dale Maggee wrote: Aah, the fun continues... [snip utter nonsense] and you have just demonstrated your maturity level. Go home, your parents want to wash your mouth out with soap. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lorn Potter wrote: [snip utter nonsense] and you have just demonstrated your maturity level. Go home, your parents want to wash your mouth out with soap. Haha, says he who repeatedly and persistently refuses to discuss the issues! Wow, now you can *really* add hypocrite to the ever expanding list on your resume! I mean, sending me a link to nettiquette rules that you broke first was pretty damn hypocritical, but two entirely hypocritical emails in one day! So now the list that goes something along the lines of: * Highly skilled at evasive responses with no real content * Able to blatantly lie with a straight face * Actions are Not influenced by morality or human decency * Stupid enough to contradict self in public * Complete Hypocrite. No, really, I'm gonna write up a couple of letters of recommendation for you: I'm gonna email the head of Microsoft's HR on your behalf, and I'll also email the Liberal Party - I hear they're looking for a new leader, and you're certainly slippery, evasive, and deceitful enough. I'll post them here for all to see. Hopefully you'll get your dream job as 'chief bullshit artist' at MS. Although I think you're probably over-qualified. I see your lips moving, but all I can hear is 'bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit'... For the record, I'm not going anywhere, and long after I've got my blackberry and kicked your godawful software to the curb where it belongs, I'll still be replying to your every post on this list with Lorn is a bullshit artist, be wary of believing anything he says. Here's a link to him contradicting himself. Utter nonsense, again, including questions which you persist in ignoring, and discussion of the issues with your shit software which you categorically refuse to discuss or even acknowledge exist. Given that you insist on ignoring the issues at hand: Wow, I have to give you credit - you certainly are good at completely ignoring damning evidence and not answering questions directly put to you multiple times. Ever considered a career in politics? You'd fit in really well there! How Long does it take to type your address on your freerunner, using the methods described...errr...five(?) emails ago? and now, how long does it take on your PC? How long did it take you to type up my sample sms on your FR running QTe? and why did you do that Many Times, as you claim? seems like wasted effort to me... [snip useless drivel] This useless drivel Lorn refers to is me demonstrating that Lorn is either lying or a complete retard. The fact that he refuses to even acknowledge this and attempted to trim it from all further correspondence indicates to me that it's malice, not stupidity. I'll restore this in the vain hope that perhaps he might address it, rather than ignore it as he has consistently done all afternoon: No one said to use the little qwerty keyboard with fingers. I BEG YOUR PARDON?!?!? Lorn Potter wrote at 12:41pm: Then you can easily switch to the qwerty keyboard. Lorn Potter wrote at 12:41pm: You can even use this with big fingers and hit in between letters and it will still work (suggestively) well. Now, we were discussing the predictive keyboard, and you told me that I could easily switch to the qwerty keyboard... which qwerty keyboard were you referring to, exactly, if not the little qwerty keyboard? There are only two: the predictive keyboard and the qwerty keyboard. Unless you're trying to tell me that there's a difference between 'keyboard' and 'docked keyboard'. I call bullshit. Lorn, you're either completely full of shit, or you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Due to the old adage never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity, I'll give you an opportunity to publicly apologise and explain exactly what the hell you're on about... the way it works, because IT DOESN'T WORK THE WAY YOU'RE SAYING. It does. No, it doesn't. You're either a liar or a fucking retard. I lean towards Liar. If you're a liar, you're *also* a fucking retard - when lying, the non-retard would come up with a *credible* lie, which you're not even bothering with... Or is it that you're just not clever enough? You have absolutely no idea which parts of Qtopia I worked on, so you cannot say I have done a bad job, when in fact, I had no contact with this code. I didn't say Bad, I said shit, which is worse than bad. and, Yeah, I can: Watch me: You've done a shit job. Regardless of any contact you may or may not have had with the code, or your contributions or lack thereof to qtopia, you have done a shit job. Firstly, where's the QTe release that was coming in December? why such inadequate communication? You've done a shit Job. Secondly, you've done an absolutely abysmal job today. Refusing to acknowledge or address my concerns, as far as I'm concerned, means that you're just a fucking wanker who has no
Re: [QtExtended] some things
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'd suggest you filter out this conversation if you're not interested. This discussion *is* actually leading somewhere, though: Lorn is digging a deeper and deeper hole for himself. wim.delv...@adaptiveplanet.com wrote: Dale, lorn ... please, go take a cold shower and a few deep breaths to cool down. This discussion isn't leading anywhere ... W -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJvxdmFbVnQRV3OEYRAu+uAKCmUHe6cNkv0VaH5VbFCwI0wg6jGwCgw7lY QkpWzFEFiwu2HxYZ7Fqk5BQ= =xWhZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
On Sunday 15 March 2009, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: Some initial things I found after a first boot: Out of interest, which version of QtExtended were you testing ? -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:38:58 +1100 Chris Samuel ch...@csamuel.org wrote: On Sunday 15 March 2009, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: Some initial things I found after a first boot: Out of interest, which version of QtExtended were you testing ? the one from here: http://dashi-x02.karadog.net/~lihouyu/qtextended/4.4.3/ with afterwards, the echo-fix tar ball from http://dashi-x02.karadog.net/~lihouyu/qtextended/snapbuild/ Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke liede...@telenet.be wrote: Some initial things I found after a first boot: - upon boot, there's something about a ASoC driver (about the last thing you see before the graphical stuff begins), but it also says that this driver is only for gta01 hardware. Don't know if this affects anything though ... It seems that it does not matter. - upon first boot, you're required to set the time/timezone, but this setting is afterwards ignored and you need to redo this. So, if possible, this first setting screen should be removed. We can remove it... - the power management settings for plugged in mention that the phone should suspend when plugged in. This seems illogical. Also upon first boot, suspend doesn't work (when set to suspend after x secs when on battery), upon second boot it does ... But even then, when plugged in, it suspends (although the battery icon shows that it is loading, so the software detected that is plugged in). Hmmm ... tested it again (after putting the improved echo fix version on it) and the suspends no longer happens. If you are using build from dashi-x02.karadog.net, then try to disable the FSO frameworkd. Just remove the /etc/rc5.d/Sxxframeworkd. Then do a reboot. - upon first boot, pressing the phone icon without sim card in it, results in a black screen. You then need to press the powerbutton for 10 secs to reboot the device. Upon second boot, this doesn't happen anymore. So for now: reboot twice and put the improved version on it :-) Now on to the phone testing! Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Best Regards HouYu Li, Karajan karajan_ii (at) hotmail.com karadog (at) gmail.com lihouyu (at) phpex.net PHP Developer Red Hat Certified Engineer Shanghai, China ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:26:51 +0800 HouYu Li kara...@gmail.com wrote: - upon first boot, you're required to set the time/timezone, but this setting is afterwards ignored and you need to redo this. So, if possible, this first setting screen should be removed. We can remove it... well, either removing or making it work are the options :-) - the power management settings for plugged in mention that the phone should suspend when plugged in. This seems illogical. Also upon first boot, suspend doesn't work (when set to suspend after x secs when on battery), upon second boot it does ... But even then, when plugged in, it suspends (although the battery icon shows that it is loading, so the software detected that is plugged in). Hmmm ... tested it again (after putting the improved echo fix version on it) and the suspends no longer happens. If you are using build from dashi-x02.karadog.net, then try to disable the FSO frameworkd. Just remove the /etc/rc5.d/Sxxframeworkd. Then do a reboot. I am using this version. But the frameworkd is not started in runlevel 5 (in which qtextended is booted), and doesn't seem to be running either. I took testing-om-gta02-20090120.uImage.bin and qt-extended-4.4.3-rootfs.jffs2 from http://dashi-x02.karadog.net/~lihouyu/qtextended/4.4.3/ (and afterwards, updated qtextended to the snapshot echo-fix build) But from what I'm reading at http://moko.mwester.net/qtextended.html, it seems that apm-qtopia-v2.tgz is not on the image (some fix/script for gsm suspend/resume). Is this still needed? If so, it should be in the jffs image ... Also at mwester, there's mentioning about extra modules that need to be installed (next to the jffs2 image). Is this needed? And another thing at mwester, http://moko.mwester.net/download/qmemoryfile_unix_open_args.patch has a change that is not in the git. Is this patch relevant or not? Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
On 15/03/2009, at 2:17 AM, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:24:20 +0100 Franky Van Liedekerke liede...@telenet.be wrote: Some initial things I found after a first boot: - upon boot, there's something about a ASoC driver (about the last thing you see before the graphical stuff begins), but it also says that this driver is only for gta01 hardware. Don't know if this affects anything though ... - upon first boot, you're required to set the time/timezone, but this setting is afterwards ignored and you need to redo this. So, if possible, this first setting screen should be removed. - the power management settings for plugged in mention that the phone should suspend when plugged in. This seems illogical. Also upon first boot, suspend doesn't work (when set to suspend after x secs when on battery), upon second boot it does ... But even then, when plugged in, it suspends (although the battery icon shows that it is loading, so the software detected that is plugged in). Hmmm ... tested it again (after putting the improved echo fix version on it) and the suspends no longer happens. - upon first boot, pressing the phone icon without sim card in it, results in a black screen. You then need to press the powerbutton for 10 secs to reboot the device. Upon second boot, this doesn't happen anymore. So for now: reboot twice and put the improved version on it :-) Now on to the phone testing! ok, first simple tests: - writing an sms is an almost impossible task ... unless you can disable predictiveness and use a good keyboard, this will need attention. The thing is that I want to write an sms with my fingertips ... I find the 'predictive' keyboard quite usable. You just need to forget what it is suggesting until you are finished with the word. But for any language other than English, it might be a hassle. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lorn Potter wrote: I find the 'predictive' keyboard quite usable. You just need to forget what it is suggesting until you are finished with the word. But for any language other than English, it might be a hassle. It isn't too bad, but it's very painful as soon as the word you're typing isn't in it's dictionary. It should always offer exactly what you typed as an option, regardless of whether it's in the dictionay or not: If I type pwned, I should see both pwned and owned in the word list. It's also completely evil when you try to type just a single character, such as the word I or a full stop - I often have trouble tapping on these in the word list to get them to be added to what I'm typing - seems they're too small and require precise tapping. You should be able to add a word to the dictionary very easily, perhaps even automatically adding any word you type which isn't in the dictionary - I use *many* non-dictionary wrds wen im typin an sms, 2 da point where language other than english' would describe it. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJvYBLFbVnQRV3OEYRAouhAKCcPqoOISvoBpJI+M/y0CCgvfs60ACgknLW UEXls4NoRCHbn5CFHDK3DCc= =JgbT -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 06:31:43 +1000 Lorn Potter lpot...@trolltech.com wrote: - writing an sms is an almost impossible task ... unless you can disable predictiveness and use a good keyboard, this will need attention. The thing is that I want to write an sms with my fingertips ... I find the 'predictive' keyboard quite usable. You just need to forget what it is suggesting until you are finished with the word. But for any language other than English, it might be a hassle. well, indeed, I mostly write Dutch or sms-speak :-) So then, I should be able to be disabled the predictive part ... Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Dale Maggee wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lorn Potter wrote: I find the 'predictive' keyboard quite usable. You just need to forget what it is suggesting until you are finished with the word. But for any language other than English, it might be a hassle. It isn't too bad, but it's very painful as soon as the word you're typing isn't in it's dictionary. It should always offer exactly what you typed as an option, regardless of whether it's in the dictionay or not: If I type pwned, I should see both pwned and owned in the word list. It's also completely evil when you try to type just a single character, such as the word I or a full stop - I often have trouble tapping on these in the word list to get them to be added to what I'm typing - seems they're too small and require precise tapping. You should be able to add a word to the dictionary very easily, perhaps even automatically adding any word you type which isn't in the dictionary - I use *many* non-dictionary wrds wen im typin an sms, 2 da point where language other than english' would describe it. Just hold down on the letter you want to select. You will see a round 'spy glass' thing pop up with your letter. -- Lorn Potter Software Engineer, Qt Software R D, Nokia Pty Ltd. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 06:31:43 +1000 Lorn Potter lpot...@trolltech.com wrote: - writing an sms is an almost impossible task ... unless you can disable predictiveness and use a good keyboard, this will need attention. The thing is that I want to write an sms with my fingertips ... I find the 'predictive' keyboard quite usable. You just need to forget what it is suggesting until you are finished with the word. But for any language other than English, it might be a hassle. well, indeed, I mostly write Dutch or sms-speak :-) So then, I should be able to be disabled the predictive part ... You just need to add your words to the dictionary, so you wont have to tap so much. -- Lorn Potter Software Engineer, Qt Software R D, Nokia Pty Ltd. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
2009/3/16 Lorn Potter lpot...@trolltech.com: Dale Maggee wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lorn Potter wrote: I find the 'predictive' keyboard quite usable. You just need to forget what it is suggesting until you are finished with the word. But for any language other than English, it might be a hassle. It isn't too bad, but it's very painful as soon as the word you're typing isn't in it's dictionary. It should always offer exactly what you typed as an option, regardless of whether it's in the dictionay or not: If I type pwned, I should see both pwned and owned in the word list. It's also completely evil when you try to type just a single character, such as the word I or a full stop - I often have trouble tapping on these in the word list to get them to be added to what I'm typing - seems they're too small and require precise tapping. You should be able to add a word to the dictionary very easily, perhaps even automatically adding any word you type which isn't in the dictionary - I use *many* non-dictionary wrds wen im typin an sms, 2 da point where language other than english' would describe it. Totally agree on this, for me is ok that the machine tries to help me but is mandatory the machine let me the option to type whatever I want to type Just hold down on the letter you want to select. You will see a round 'spy glass' thing pop up with your letter. This add a lot of delay on typing. -- Lorn Potter Software Engineer, Qt Software R D, Nokia Pty Ltd. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, GP2X the Wiz, Letux 400, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lorn Potter wrote: Just hold down on the letter you want to select. You will see a round 'spy glass' thing pop up with your letter. This is all well and good, but it's for all intents and purposes totally useless in practical application - typing anything remotely long or complex (examples: My mail server address, somebody's surname, a phone number, an email address, a street/suburb name, GPS coordinates) takes an *inordinate* amount of time - just try typing out your postal address using that method - you'll soon find that you're developing a powerful urge to stab yourself in the eyeballs with a rusty fork... ;) If typing your postal address doesn't do it, see how long it takes you to type the following (spelling is important!): yo doodz wots up? im sendin this sms cuz i cbf typin an email you ya, and cuz i wanna demo jus how goddamn awful it is to type wen it takes 3 secs for each bluddy letta. Got ne rusty forks lyin round? How long does it take you to type 'antidisestablishmentarianism' using this method? Don't forget to also include in this figure the time it takes to type antidisestablishmentarianism, only to discover that it's not in the dictionary, then delete that, then type it out letter-by-letter. For comparison, here are some figures I just worked out, using a stopwatch to time myself typing 'antidisestablishmentarianism': * My PC - Standard US 101-key IBM Model M qwerty Keyboard - 6.18 seconds * My Ipaq - HP Ipaq 6515 with built-in mini-qwerty keyboard - 12.35 Seconds * FreeRunner running QT extended, using 'predictive keyboard': 81.95 Seconds (almost a minute and a half!) I can't think of a more dramatic way to point out how slow this method is. Obviously I don't expect it to match the Ipaq, but more than 6 times slower than the Ipaq is abysmal. It shouldn't take a minute and a half to type one word. The simple and easy solution is as I noted before: the predictive text should always offer you exactly what you type - if I type pwned, I want to see pwned and owned in the word list, regardless of whether pwned is in the dictionary. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJvahwFbVnQRV3OEYRAq6mAJ0To58Vc54Hru3M1ZKAn6i+xlmDtACfQ570 9m2TNlW85XJ/lAVLcLF0uLQ= =25K7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lorn Potter wrote: You just need to add your words to the dictionary, so you wont have to tap so much. ...which is exactly why it should be very easy, perhaps even automatic, to add words to the dictionary... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJvajUFbVnQRV3OEYRAhmqAJ40rBM2gTbrdyxIqj8rsC9KDhB3iQCeOych 9Hx4eiS4RUifG7soyrUBVIY= =1SJT -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
is there a way to disable the prediction without connect to the USB ssh??? On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Dale Maggee anti...@internode.on.netwrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lorn Potter wrote: You just need to add your words to the dictionary, so you wont have to tap so much. ...which is exactly why it should be very easy, perhaps even automatic, to add words to the dictionary... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJvajUFbVnQRV3OEYRAhmqAJ40rBM2gTbrdyxIqj8rsC9KDhB3iQCeOych 9Hx4eiS4RUifG7soyrUBVIY= =1SJT -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Best Regards HouYu Li, Karajan karajan_ii (at) hotmail.com karadog (at) gmail.com lihouyu (at) phpex.net PHP Developer Red Hat Certified Engineer Shanghai, China ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lorn Potter wrote: Typing numbers are not 'suggested'. Fine, be fastidious if you must, You know what I meant. How long did it take you to type your postal address? Now, how long does it take on your PC? Oh... you didn't test it? You didn't bother typing out the sample SMS in my email? Hmmm, Interesting... I personally do not find the delay all that troublesome. Well, that indicates to me that you're either not using it for everyday use, or that you happen to be a lucky person who's typing dictionary words, or, more likely, that as the developer all the words you use commonly happen to be in the dictionary already (strange, that...) As I said, if you can easily switch to the qwerty keyboard. bwahahaha, that's a funny joke. Have you ever tried actually switching to the qwerty keyboard using just your finger? for me, it usually takes at least 3-4 attempts just to bring up the list of input methods. Then there's actually attempting to type on the qwerty keyboard, which we'll get into later... This is not a very valid usecase. How many times are you going to type this into your phone in a real world situation? You're incorrect - it's a completely valid, worst-case scenario which serves very well to illustrate the inadequacy of the 'typing one letter at a time' method which you are advocating. In real-world usage, I'll concede that 'antidisestablishmentarianism' isn't used often, but long words which aren't in the dictionary are not at all uncommon, especially given long words combined with sms-speak spelling. How would you suggest a biologist or chemist use this input method to talk about his work? If you're trying to tell me that the biologist needs to put a biologist's dictionary on his phone before he can use it, I'll laugh my ass off, and I'll tell you exactly how utterly ludicrous that Idea really is. As a software developer, I'm *very* interested in worst-case scenarios, as they work very well to find all these little inefficiencies - if I can make my software usable in a worst case scenario, it's going to be absolutely brilliant for average, everyday use. I test (and sometimes write) all my software on low-powered machines for this reason If you're not interested in actually making your software robust and useful, maybe you should apply for a job at Microsoft. For a fact, though, this took me exactly as much time to tap it out, without having to use the press down method ~10 seconds. Care to clarify on that? to me, this statement makes no sense. If you're saying that you just typed in 'antidisestablishmentarianism' and it was suggested and you were able to choose it because it had no idea what you were typing and showed you what you typed, then you're doing it wrong, and your test is invalid. For it to be a valid test, you need to do the following: 1. *quickly* Type 'antidisestablishmentarianism', as if you're expecting it to be in the dictionary. (Type quickly, and ignore precision, assuming the dictionary will still suggest the correct word even if you accidentally hit a couple of letters wrong). (i.e: If I'm typing 'owned' in an SMS, I don't concern myself if I actually accidentally type pwned, because I know the dictionary will pick up on my mistake and suggest owned. For your test to be valid, you need to type 'antidisestablishmentarianism' as if you're expecting it to be in the dictionary - i.e quickly and without precision) 2. Since you typed quickly and without precision, you'll now have something like antidiseatablishmentaroanusm (note that my spelling wasn't precise, and I now have an incorrectly spelled word being suggested. 3. A this point, If I swipe my finger to the left (i.e: backspace) to correct the spelling mistakes, the entire word is erased, and I have to do the 'one letter at a time' bullshit. 4. Alternatively at step 3, I could have tapped on the incorrectly spelled word to have it added to the sms I'm composing, and then edited it by positioning the cursor, backspacing, fixing the mistakes, and repositioning the cursor at the end of the text. I can do that, that is, *if* the software happens to want to let me position the cursor, rather than selecting everything between where I'm trying to put the cursor and the end of the message. I haven't been able to determine exactly what factors influence whether it will let me position the cursor or select text to the end, but I think it has to do with the ambient humidity and wind speed/direction. Of course, This is all as much or more of a hassle than the 'one letter at a time' method which you advocate. Don't you dare even trying to tell me that my test is invalid, and that I need to type with precision in step 1, because if you try to tell me that, then I'll have one very simple and effective retort: What is the point of having a dictionary lookup system like the one in QTe unless it's to figure out what you were trying to type, and correct your mistakes?
Re: [QtExtended] some things
On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 14:48 +1100, Dale Maggee wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lorn Potter wrote: Typing numbers are not 'suggested'. ... As I said, if you can easily switch to the qwerty keyboard. bwahahaha, that's a funny joke. Have you ever tried actually switching Disable it - find the keyboard files and copy terminal.kbd over the top of default and numbers. No dictionary, and terminal pops up nicely instead of those brain dead ones - you wont miss them, I dont. BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 W.Kenworthy wrote: Disable it - find the keyboard files and copy terminal.kbd over the top of default and numbers. No dictionary, and terminal pops up nicely instead of those brain dead ones - you wont miss them, I dont. Thanks for the suggestion Bill, but we're actually talking about QT Extended, not 2008.X - we don't have those keyboards you're talking about. FYI, QTe has: * A (totally, utterly, completely useless) handwriting recognition method. * A (almost completely useless, unless you happen to have a needle, 10 minutes, and are completely still - keys are so tiny I struggle with a stylus) full qwerty terminal keyboard. * A (not quite completely useless, but working towards it, as per our discussion) 'predictive' keyboard, which the 2008.X one was obviously based on at some point. So, in QTe your input choices are SSH, complete shit, utter shit, or just shit. It's kinda like having to choose between death by disemboweling or death by dismemberment. - -D -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJvd/LFbVnQRV3OEYRAoUWAJ9E0Y9M57YP1FDFjjBnUOmONVQ8HQCeJkMw Uwe9YPuzAnXDk2XovTkDzhE= =I+pE -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 16:12 +1100, Dale Maggee wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 W.Kenworthy wrote: Disable it - find the keyboard files and copy terminal.kbd over the top ... It's kinda like having to choose between death by disemboweling or death by dismemberment. Sounds even worse than shr/2008x/FSO then - why oh why cant some of the time spent on keyboards for any OM version be put into something that works. Never been able to run qt - always tried it on the SD card, which in hindsight, needed a slow clock. Wasn't game to flash it as I needed a phone and if it didnt work on SD ... I am finding shr much more usable than the others at the moment - but even it does have its quirks if you want to use it everyday. Billk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
Dale Maggee wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lorn Potter wrote: Typing numbers are not 'suggested'. Fine, be fastidious if you must, You know what I meant. How long did it take you to type your postal address? Now, how long does it take on your PC? Oh... you didn't test it? You didn't bother typing out the sample SMS in my email? Hmmm, Interesting... Quite actually, I was using the predictive keyboard long before anyone on this list was, so yes, I have done this. Many times. I personally do not find the delay all that troublesome. Well, that indicates to me that you're either not using it for everyday use, or that you happen to be a lucky person who's typing dictionary words, or, more likely, that as the developer all the words you use commonly happen to be in the dictionary already (strange, that...) As I said, if you can easily switch to the qwerty keyboard. bwahahaha, that's a funny joke. Have you ever tried actually switching to the qwerty keyboard using just your finger? for me, it usually takes at least 3-4 attempts just to bring up the list of input methods. Then there's actually attempting to type on the qwerty keyboard, which we'll get into later... umm, yes. I can access the menu just fine with my finger. Options - Change Input Method. This is not a very valid usecase. How many times are you going to type this into your phone in a real world situation? You're incorrect - it's a completely valid, worst-case scenario which serves very well to illustrate the inadequacy of the 'typing one letter at a time' method which you are advocating. In real-world usage, I'll concede that 'antidisestablishmentarianism' isn't used often, but long words which aren't in the dictionary are not at all uncommon, especially given long words combined with sms-speak spelling. How would you suggest a biologist or chemist use this input method to talk about his work? A use case is usually something that is very often used and repeatable for any user. Typing 'antidisestablishmentarianism' is hardly typical. If you're trying to tell me that the biologist needs to put a biologist's dictionary on his phone before he can use it, I'll laugh my ass off, and I'll tell you exactly how utterly ludicrous that Idea really is. No, but he will need to add those words to the common dictionary before they will show up in the list of words. To enter a word in the dictionary - simply press and hold the letters method. As a software developer, I'm *very* interested in worst-case scenarios, as they work very well to find all these little inefficiencies - if I can make my software usable in a worst case scenario, it's going to be absolutely brilliant for average, everyday use. I test (and sometimes write) all my software on low-powered machines for this reason There are too many niche scenarios to target, so we targeted common, most used ones. If you're not interested in actually making your software robust and useful, maybe you should apply for a job at Microsoft. ... For a fact, though, this took me exactly as much time to tap it out, without having to use the press down method ~10 seconds. Care to clarify on that? to me, this statement makes no sense. Using the 'predictive keyboard', it took me 10 seconds to type 'antidisestablishmentarianism'. If you're saying that you just typed in 'antidisestablishmentarianism' and it was suggested and you were able to choose it because it had no idea what you were typing and showed you what you typed, then you're doing it wrong, and your test is invalid. No, it was not a suggested word, as it was longer than any suggestions it could find, so it just took the letters I was typing in. For it to be a valid test, you need to do the following: 1. *quickly* Type 'antidisestablishmentarianism', as if you're expecting it to be in the dictionary. (Type quickly, and ignore precision, assuming the dictionary will still suggest the correct word even if you accidentally hit a couple of letters wrong). I did. its not in the dictionary. see my statement above. (i.e: If I'm typing 'owned' in an SMS, I don't concern myself if I actually accidentally type pwned, because I know the dictionary will pick up on my mistake and suggest owned. For your test to be valid, you need to type 'antidisestablishmentarianism' as if you're expecting it to be in the dictionary - i.e quickly and without precision) 2. Since you typed quickly and without precision, you'll now have something like antidiseatablishmentaroanusm (note that my spelling wasn't precise, and I now have an incorrectly spelled word being suggested. 3. A this point, If I swipe my finger to the left (i.e: backspace) to correct the spelling mistakes, the entire word is erased, and I have to do the 'one letter at a time' bullshit. 4. Alternatively at step 3, I could have tapped on the incorrectly spelled word to have
Re: [QtExtended] some things
W.Kenworthy wrote: On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 16:12 +1100, Dale Maggee wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 W.Kenworthy wrote: Disable it - find the keyboard files and copy terminal.kbd over the top ... It's kinda like having to choose between death by disemboweling or death by dismemberment. Sounds even worse than shr/2008x/FSO then - why oh why cant some of the time spent on keyboards for any OM version be put into something that works. Well, obviously that is only his one opinion. Never been able to run qt - always tried it on the SD card, which in hindsight, needed a slow clock. Wasn't game to flash it as I needed a phone and if it didnt work on SD ... actually, Qtopia is by far the best and most usable phone software for the Neo. I am finding shr much more usable than the others at the moment - but even it does have its quirks if you want to use it everyday. -- Lorn Potter Software Engineer, Qt Software R D, Nokia Pty Ltd. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[QtExtended] some things
Some initial things I found after a first boot: - upon boot, there's something about a ASoC driver (about the last thing you see before the graphical stuff begins), but it also says that this driver is only for gta01 hardware. Don't know if this affects anything though ... - upon first boot, you're required to set the time/timezone, but this setting is afterwards ignored and you need to redo this. So, if possible, this first setting screen should be removed. - the power management settings for plugged in mention that the phone should suspend when plugged in. This seems illogical. Also upon first boot, suspend doesn't work (when set to suspend after x secs when on battery), upon second boot it does ... But even then, when plugged in, it suspends (although the battery icon shows that it is loading, so the software detected that is plugged in). Hmmm ... tested it again (after putting the improved echo fix version on it) and the suspends no longer happens. - upon first boot, pressing the phone icon without sim card in it, results in a black screen. You then need to press the powerbutton for 10 secs to reboot the device. Upon second boot, this doesn't happen anymore. So for now: reboot twice and put the improved version on it :-) Now on to the phone testing! Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] some things
On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:24:20 +0100 Franky Van Liedekerke liede...@telenet.be wrote: Some initial things I found after a first boot: - upon boot, there's something about a ASoC driver (about the last thing you see before the graphical stuff begins), but it also says that this driver is only for gta01 hardware. Don't know if this affects anything though ... - upon first boot, you're required to set the time/timezone, but this setting is afterwards ignored and you need to redo this. So, if possible, this first setting screen should be removed. - the power management settings for plugged in mention that the phone should suspend when plugged in. This seems illogical. Also upon first boot, suspend doesn't work (when set to suspend after x secs when on battery), upon second boot it does ... But even then, when plugged in, it suspends (although the battery icon shows that it is loading, so the software detected that is plugged in). Hmmm ... tested it again (after putting the improved echo fix version on it) and the suspends no longer happens. - upon first boot, pressing the phone icon without sim card in it, results in a black screen. You then need to press the powerbutton for 10 secs to reboot the device. Upon second boot, this doesn't happen anymore. So for now: reboot twice and put the improved version on it :-) Now on to the phone testing! ok, first simple tests: - writing an sms is an almost impossible task ... unless you can disable predictiveness and use a good keyboard, this will need attention. The thing is that I want to write an sms with my fingertips ... - selecting a contact and pressing call works, selecting the dialer app, and then from there go to the contacts and selecting the same user doesn't work. I can select the user, but the dialer app then gives me No as the phone number, while the number is obviously there and usable (since it works from the contact app) ... - call quality is excellent, no echo! - an incoming call sometimes arrives twice ... but this seems to have stopped after making one outgoing call after receiving a call. Seems some kind of initialization issue to me. I didn't test mediaplayer stuff and such ... Franky Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
