Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
On Sat, 2009-04-18 at 13:55 +0200, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: On Saturday 18 April 2009 02:20:47 William Kenworthy wrote: Try screen - run screen -L and it will log anything in the window to file (screenlog.0) - advantage also in that you can reattach and check whats happening as well. I presume there is no loading problems on normal operation leaving mickeyterm running? No problem as long as you don't want to use GPRS. ogsmd uses 3 out of 4 channels for the Calypso in normal operation, so the 4th is free for direct communication (mickeyterm) or ppp. :M: Thanks. Nothing yet (vodafone australia) I know they send the timezone occasionally as the timezone tried to be overwritten until I turned it off. My Treo was never able to get network time over a number of years, and now the FR has never shown any indication so I dont think its used. Will keep watching! BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
I'm not getting anything, except +CRING: VOICE which I assume is a call. Perhaps they do it some other way? I know it's getting done somehow, I just haven't the foggiest idea how. :P Telcos may not be the most cooperative creatures, but perhaps you could just ask one how they do it? You'd have to dig deep to find someone who knows, but surely someone would. Or maybe I'm just being naive. :P ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
On Saturday 18 April 2009 02:20:47 William Kenworthy wrote: Try screen - run screen -L and it will log anything in the window to file (screenlog.0) - advantage also in that you can reattach and check whats happening as well. I presume there is no loading problems on normal operation leaving mickeyterm running? No problem as long as you don't want to use GPRS. ogsmd uses 3 out of 4 channels for the Calypso in normal operation, so the 4th is free for direct communication (mickeyterm) or ppp. :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
The Digital Pioneer wrote: I'm not sure where it gets the zone from, but if someone knows a way to sync from GSM without screwing up the TZ, I'd love to hear it. Hi, GSM can't be used as a time source, only as a zone source. That's what i understand when i look at otimed.py: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=blob;f=framework/subsystems/otimed/otimed.py;h=8f57a80667abaabc7b77bfdaa95d572a880602e8;hb=HEAD time sources: GPS and/or NTP zone sources: GSM Chris ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
...Which makes the FR pretty much the only phone in the USA that doesn't get its time from the network... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
On Friday 17 April 2009 18:03:51 The Digital Pioneer wrote: ...Which makes the FR pretty much the only phone in the USA that doesn't get its time from the network... I thought get time from network is cdma feature. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
On Friday 17 April 2009 17:03:51 The Digital Pioneer wrote: ...Which makes the FR pretty much the only phone in the USA that doesn't get its time from the network... I have not seeing you answering http://www.mail- archive.com/de...@lists.openmoko.org/msg02181.html ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
I have no idea how, I just know that pretty much every phone in the USA syncs time from the network. They also change timezones automatically. Michael Lauer: Not entirely sure what that page is saying... Is it saying we don't know exactly how to get time from the network? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
On Friday 17 April 2009 17:30:37 The Digital Pioneer wrote: Michael Lauer: Not entirely sure what that page is saying... Is it saying we don't know exactly how to get time from the network? Once someone sends me an unsolicited response code from a FreeRunner that shows that the network sent the a timezone report, I will add support for it in ogsmd. Open mickeyterm and issue AT%CTZV=1. Then, wait for any %CTZV messages coming in. :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
Am Freitag, 17. April 2009 17:43:03 schrieb Michael 'Mickey' Lauer: On Friday 17 April 2009 17:30:37 The Digital Pioneer wrote: Michael Lauer: Not entirely sure what that page is saying... Is it saying we don't know exactly how to get time from the network? Once someone sends me an unsolicited response code from a FreeRunner that shows that the network sent the a timezone report, I will add support for it in ogsmd. Open mickeyterm and issue AT%CTZV=1. Then, wait for any %CTZV messages coming in. :M: In Alice/Hansenet's network I don't get any response to AT%CTZV=1: d-a318:~/pyhelpers/mickeyterm# ./mickeyterm --- Mickey's Term V2.9.3 @ /dev/pts/4 --- AT-Command Interpreter ready AT+CMEE=2;+CRC=1 OK AT%CTZV=1 AT%CTZV=1 OK Waited for over 2 minutes now. I think this corresponds to your findings. So you actually need someone in the USA to test this? (Finally the enlightenment has come...) -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
I am in USA, on ATT's 3G network (I think) and I never got a response either... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
AT%CTVZ=1 just enables the unsolicited result code. There is no way to actually _query_ the time from the network. It depends on the operator whether it sends it to you or not. It also depends on the modem whether it can understand the network time report or not. The unsolicited result code can occur at any time, e.g. during cell handover or registration. You probably need to look for it (read: log data) for a couple of hours or days to spot it. In germany you will not get it at all. In fact whereever I have been since 2006 I never have seen one. Then again, I've not been in the US since 2002. :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
I was wondering where 'unsolicited' fit into all this... OK, so how do I log it without having it connected to my laptop all the time? :P ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
Am Samstag, 18. April 2009 00:14:15 schrieb The Digital Pioneer: I was wondering where 'unsolicited' fit into all this... OK, so how do I log it without having it connected to my laptop all the time? :P Maybe some construction with mickeyterm in a screen session and modifying the python code to print into a file instead of stdout? (Or, without hacking mterm, redirect stdout to a file?) In both cases you would have to start it once before to enable these special messages... (could have expressed that better :) ) -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
Meh, would `mickeyterm 21 AT%CTVZ=1 | tee mickeyterm.out` work? :P ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 1:11 AM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de wrote: AT%CTVZ=1 just enables the unsolicited result code. There is no way to actually _query_ the time from the network. It depends on the operator whether it sends it to you or not. It also depends on the modem whether it can understand the network time report or not. The unsolicited result code can occur at any time, e.g. during cell handover or registration. You probably need to look for it (read: log data) for a couple of hours or days to spot it. In germany you will not get it at all. In fact whereever I have been since 2006 I never have seen one. Then again, I've not been in the US since 2002. :M: My dumb nokia updated time when I was in finland. AFAIR it was Elisa and Teliasonera, so maybe some finnish openvoko users/devs can provide a logs? Regards, Evgeny. -- So long, and thanks for all the fish. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
Try screen - run screen -L and it will log anything in the window to file (screenlog.0) - advantage also in that you can reattach and check whats happening as well. I presume there is no loading problems on normal operation leaving mickeyterm running? BillK On Fri, 2009-04-17 at 17:33 -0500, The Digital Pioneer wrote: AT%CTVZ=1 -- William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
OK, I ran the mickeyterm and put in AT%CTZV=1 and then closed the terminal. I assume that left the mickeyterm running...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
Install screen on your desktop so you can man screen ^ad (^ is the control key) detaches, leaving screen running screen -r reattaches ^ac creates a new window in screen ^a1, ^a2, ^a3 etc to switch between active windows Nice feature is you can also ssh in or use the local terminal and reattach and see whats happening. Very useful app BillK On Fri, 2009-04-17 at 19:31 -0500, The Digital Pioneer wrote: OK, I ran the mickeyterm and put in AT%CTZV=1 and then closed the terminal. I assume that left the mickeyterm running...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: AT%CTVZ=1 just enables the unsolicited result code. There is no way to actually _query_ the time from the network. I don't know what method it uses but my Nokia 3500 phone gets the current time+date automatically (operator is Fido in Canada). I've tested this by manually setting an incorrect value and then power-cycling the phone, and it goes back to the correct time as soon as it boots up. I did a quick test with 'mickeyterm' on my Freerunner and I haven't seen any %CTZV messages yet. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
The Digital Pioneer wrote: You don't have to set timesources = NONE, but zonesources should. I assume it still acquires the actual time whenever it can if timesources has something in it... Perhaps not, though. Does this mean that time will no longer be synchronized with GSM? The thing is that otimed changes the zone, while it should only sync the time, no more, no less... Does NTP server sync timezone? No. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] timezone broken again
I'm not sure where it gets the zone from, but if someone knows a way to sync from GSM without screwing up the TZ, I'd love to hear it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[SHR] timezone broken again
This week in SHR was glad to see that editing /etc/timezone and copying from /usr/share/zoneinfo/smth to /etc/localtime did the trick --- changed from the London time to what one wanted to. But today I did an update/upgrade and it broke again. Now we get EEST timezone. Does anyone know how to fix it? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
