Re: [WikiReader] Battery Life

2009-12-13 Thread Al Johnson
On Saturday 12 December 2009, David Garabana Barro wrote:
 O Sábado, 12 de Decembro de 2009, Jeff escribiu:
  Alkaline, the original energizer batteries that came with the device. I
  may have some NiMH batteries lying around somewhere, but I don't have
  any AAA lithium polymer nor a suitable charger.
 
 NiMH will be even worse.
 They autodischarge 5-10% on first day, and 1% every next day...

That depends on the NiMH. Several manufacturers are now making them with very 
low self discharge (~5%/month). They work very well in applications where I 
previously stuck to alkalines, such as my Psion 5 which probably has a lot in 
common with the wikireader.

I would also suggest trying a different brand of alkalines. The discharge 
voltage characteristic varies significantly between brands, and some devices 
stop working with the battery at a relatively high voltage. The Psion often 
works well with alkalines that other devices claim are dead. Even when the 
Psion has finished with them, they can be recharged with a suitable charger.

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Re: [WikiReader] Battery Life

2009-12-13 Thread Glenn
At 17:50 + 13/12/09, Al Johnson wrote:
On Saturday 12 December 2009, David Garabana Barro wrote:
  O Sábado, 12 de Decembro de 2009, Jeff escribiu:
   Alkaline, the original energizer batteries that came with the device. I
   may have some NiMH batteries lying around somewhere, but I don't have
   any AAA lithium polymer nor a suitable charger.

  NiMH will be even worse.
  They autodischarge 5-10% on first day, and 1% every next day...

That depends on the NiMH. Several manufacturers are now making them with very
low self discharge (~5%/month). They work very well in applications where I
previously stuck to alkalines, such as my Psion 5 which probably has a lot in
common with the wikireader.

I would also suggest trying a different brand of alkalines. The discharge
voltage characteristic varies significantly between brands, and some devices
stop working with the battery at a relatively high voltage. The Psion often
works well with alkalines that other devices claim are dead. Even when the
Psion has finished with them, they can be recharged with a suitable charger.
...

Hey!

It is these batteries:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_self-discharge_NiMH_battery

Glenn

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Re: [WikiReader] Battery Life

2009-12-13 Thread Glenn
At 20:36 +0100 13/12/09, Glenn wrote:
At 17:50 + 13/12/09, Al Johnson wrote:
On Saturday 12 December 2009, David Garabana Barro wrote:
  O Sábado, 12 de Decembro de 2009, Jeff escribiu:
   Alkaline, the original energizer batteries that came with the device. I
   may have some NiMH batteries lying around somewhere, but I don't have
   any AAA lithium polymer nor a suitable charger.

  NiMH will be even worse.
  They autodischarge 5-10% on first day, and 1% every next day...

That depends on the NiMH. Several manufacturers are now making them with very
low self discharge (~5%/month). They work very well in applications where I
previously stuck to alkalines, such as my Psion 5 which probably has a lot in
common with the wikireader.

I would also suggest trying a different brand of alkalines. The discharge
voltage characteristic varies significantly between brands, and some devices
stop working with the battery at a relatively high voltage. The Psion often
works well with alkalines that other devices claim are dead. Even when the
Psion has finished with them, they can be recharged with a suitable charger.
...

Hey!

It is these batteries:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_self-discharge_NiMH_battery

Glenn

Here you have an older version with a list of battery names:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Low_self-discharge_NiMH_batteryoldid=180982680

Glenn



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Re: [WikiReader] Battery Life

2009-12-12 Thread David Garabana Barro
O Sábado, 12 de Decembro de 2009, Jeff escribiu:
 Alkaline, the original energizer batteries that came with the device. I
 may have some NiMH batteries lying around somewhere, but I don't have
 any AAA lithium polymer nor a suitable charger.

NiMH will be even worse.
They autodischarge 5-10% on first day, and 1% every next day...

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[WikiReader] Battery Life

2009-12-11 Thread Jeff
I just burned through the 2nd set of batteries with my wikireader in a 
month and a half. I know I have averaged less than 15 minutes a day of 
on time, so I am getting no where near the 90 hours of battery life 
advertised. Don't know if I have a bad one, or if the code needs tweaking.

Anyone else notice the battery life has not been so good?

Jeff

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Re: [WikiReader] Battery Life

2009-12-11 Thread Alex Teiche
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Jeff jcolb...@netins.net wrote:

 I just burned through the 2nd set of batteries with my wikireader in a
 month and a half. I know I have averaged less than 15 minutes a day of
 on time, so I am getting no where near the 90 hours of battery life
 advertised. Don't know if I have a bad one, or if the code needs tweaking.

 Anyone else notice the battery life has not been so good?

 Jeff


I don't have a WikiReader, but are you using Alkaline or Lithium batteries?
The voltage of Alkali based batteries will decrease over time, so that often
they will not be able to power an electronic device even though they are not
fully discharged.  Lithium batteries are best for things like the WikiReader
because the voltage stays constant for the most part.
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Re: [WikiReader] Battery Life

2009-12-11 Thread Jeff
Alkaline, the original energizer batteries that came with the device. I 
may have some NiMH batteries lying around somewhere, but I don't have 
any AAA lithium polymer nor a suitable charger.

Alex Teiche wrote:


 On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Jeff jcolb...@netins.net 
 mailto:jcolb...@netins.net wrote:

 I just burned through the 2nd set of batteries with my wikireader in a
 month and a half. I know I have averaged less than 15 minutes a day of
 on time, so I am getting no where near the 90 hours of battery life
 advertised. Don't know if I have a bad one, or if the code needs
 tweaking.

 Anyone else notice the battery life has not been so good?

 Jeff


 I don't have a WikiReader, but are you using Alkaline or Lithium 
 batteries?  The voltage of Alkali based batteries will decrease over 
 time, so that often they will not be able to power an electronic 
 device even though they are not fully discharged.  Lithium batteries 
 are best for things like the WikiReader because the voltage stays 
 constant for the most part.

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