Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see

[Ivo Anjo]

>  so one could set up a xmpp server at home, turn on server side logging and
>  some transports to other networks as needed, and then just have a xmpp client
>  on the neo that connects to it?

I've never tried installing my own xmpp server, but I'm guessing it's
pretty easy to enable/add server-side logging (if you don't use
end-to-end encryption, of course). A quick search in google revealed
this http://www.nabble.com/logging-conversations-for-big-brother-td13754126.html
.

>  or have google done some kind of custom mod for their xmpp server to get this
>  to work?

>  would be nice if the logs showed up in a imap connection ;)

Google has its own xmpp server implementation, and if you use their
server, you can enable server-side logging. As the logs are added to
the gmail interface, I'm guessing they would show up on imap, but
never tried it (I don't use their xmpp server, since I started using
xmpp before they even had a server).

Ivo Anjo

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Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see

[kenneth marken]

so one could set up a xmpp server at home, turn on server side logging and 
some transports to other networks as needed, and then just have a xmpp client 
on the neo that connects to it? 

or have google done some kind of custom mod for their xmpp server to get this 
to work?

would be nice if the logs showed up in a imap connection ;)

hmm, a imap/xmpp bridge, now thats a thought.

On Wednesday 05 March 2008 00:22:56 Ivo Anjo wrote:
> When you use google as a jabber/xmpp server, you can enable
> server-side logs (they show up on the gmail interface).
>
> With settings, you can always user jabber and transports for other IM
> services, so that with one log in you get into all of them.
>
> As for logs, maybe the easiest way is to just write a simple app that
> gets them from the neo and merges them with the ones on your pc,
> shouldn't be that hard.
>
> Ivo Anjo
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 9:23 PM, kenneth marken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tuesday 04 March 2008 21:28:11 Jeff Andros wrote:
> >  > On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Thufir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  > > On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:23:07 +0100, kenneth marken wrote:
> >  > >
> >  > > like pidgin for im support of any kind.
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > > Now *that* is a cool idea :)
> >  >
> >  > probably not pidgin itself, it's not set up for a full screen
> >  > display... but libpurple is the engine behind pidgin, all that's
> >  > needed is a custom front-end
> >  >
> >  > Personally, I'd like to see a plugin for pidgin that turns it into an
> >  > IM proxy... the NEO would connect in to my system here and use pidgin
> >  > on it... that way I have unified logs, a single place to sign in, etc
> >
> >  well, i guess one option would be a xmpp server...
> >
> >  but i dont know about server side logs...
> >
> >  i have been mentally toying with turning xmpp into a kind of "mail"
> > server...
> >
> >
> >
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Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Jeff Andros ha scritto:



On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Thufir 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:23:07 +0100, kenneth marken wrote:

like pidgin for im support of any kind.


Now *that* is a cool idea :)


probably not pidgin itself, it's not set up for a full screen display... 
but libpurple is the engine behind pidgin, all that's needed is a custom 
front-end


Personally, I'd like to see a plugin for pidgin that turns it into an IM 
proxy... the NEO would connect in to my system here and use pidgin on 
it... that way I have unified logs, a single place to sign in, etc



I was thinking that maybe the same way should be used for chatting (and 
maybe more) with skype clients until an openmoko version of skype will 
be relesed (maybe based on that for Nokia maemo) since the closed 
(blah...!) skype client supports has API that maybe could help us!



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Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see

[Ivo Anjo]

When you use google as a jabber/xmpp server, you can enable
server-side logs (they show up on the gmail interface).

With settings, you can always user jabber and transports for other IM
services, so that with one log in you get into all of them.

As for logs, maybe the easiest way is to just write a simple app that
gets them from the neo and merges them with the ones on your pc,
shouldn't be that hard.

Ivo Anjo

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 9:23 PM, kenneth marken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Tuesday 04 March 2008 21:28:11 Jeff Andros wrote:
>  > On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Thufir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > > On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:23:07 +0100, kenneth marken wrote:
>  > >
>  > > like pidgin for im support of any kind.
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > Now *that* is a cool idea :)
>  >
>  > probably not pidgin itself, it's not set up for a full screen display...
>  > but libpurple is the engine behind pidgin, all that's needed is a custom
>  > front-end
>  >
>  > Personally, I'd like to see a plugin for pidgin that turns it into an IM
>  > proxy... the NEO would connect in to my system here and use pidgin on it...
>  > that way I have unified logs, a single place to sign in, etc
>
>  well, i guess one option would be a xmpp server...
>
>  but i dont know about server side logs...
>
>  i have been mentally toying with turning xmpp into a kind of "mail" server...
>
>
>
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Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see

[ian douglas]

Jeff Andros wrote:
Personally, I'd like to see a plugin for pidgin that turns it into an IM 
proxy... the NEO would connect in to my system here and use pidgin on 
it... that way I have unified logs, a single place to sign in, etc


I concur -- running Pidgin on three different platforms, it's a serious 
pain to copy logs and account settings to all machines. The proxy idea 
is an interesting thought.


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Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see

[kenneth marken]

On Tuesday 04 March 2008 21:28:11 Jeff Andros wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Thufir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:23:07 +0100, kenneth marken wrote:
> >
> > like pidgin for im support of any kind.
> >
> >
> > Now *that* is a cool idea :)
>
> probably not pidgin itself, it's not set up for a full screen display...
> but libpurple is the engine behind pidgin, all that's needed is a custom
> front-end
>
> Personally, I'd like to see a plugin for pidgin that turns it into an IM
> proxy... the NEO would connect in to my system here and use pidgin on it...
> that way I have unified logs, a single place to sign in, etc

well, i guess one option would be a xmpp server...

but i dont know about server side logs...

i have been mentally toying with turning xmpp into a kind of "mail" server...

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Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see

[Jeff Andros]

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Thufir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:23:07 +0100, kenneth marken wrote:
>
> like pidgin for im support of any kind.
>
>
> Now *that* is a cool idea :)
>
>
probably not pidgin itself, it's not set up for a full screen display... but
libpurple is the engine behind pidgin, all that's needed is a custom
front-end

Personally, I'd like to see a plugin for pidgin that turns it into an IM
proxy... the NEO would connect in to my system here and use pidgin on it...
that way I have unified logs, a single place to sign in, etc

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Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see

[Thufir]

On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:23:07 +0100, kenneth marken wrote:


> heh, i suspect that many of those are in the works or will show up as
> the openmoko phones start to spread out. some of those can even be done
> by ports of existing software, like pidgin for im support of any kind.


Now *that* is a cool idea :)



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Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see

[Tilman Baumann]

joerg wrote:

Am Mo  3. März 2008 schrieb Tilman Baumann:

David Samblas Martinez wrote:

22. Digital level 
Is any side of the phone straigh enough to be able to 
develop such a freaking geek widget?

I could be a funny exercice to play with the
accelerometers.


Sure, at least backside.


No camera, no point. ;)

  Tilman


???


I assumed that this would use the camera and overlay some horizontal 
bars or something like that on the live picture to help to level something.
But i realise that you could also simulate a water level on the screen 
and hold the device with it's side onto something.

Sometimes i think a bit complicated...

 Tilman

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Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see

[David Samblas Martinez]

I was thinking on freerunner not 1973 sorry gora

Andrea Debortoli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: FreeRunner has accelerometers...
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#Accelerometers

GTA01 does not :-(
 
2008/3/3, Gora Mohanty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:17:42 +0100 
(CET)
 David Samblas Martinez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 [...]
 
> 22. Digital level
 > Is any side of the phone straigh enough to be able to
  > develop such a freaking geek widget?
 > I could be a funny exercice to play with the
 > accelerometers.
 
[...]
 
 The Neo 1973 does not have accelerometers, does it?
 
 The above would tickle my geek bone enough to do it
  if the Neo 1973 had accelerometers. I have an old
 Simputer that does have accelerometers, and has a
 great game which is a computer analogue of a child's
 handheld game. The real-life game is usually made
  out of cheap plastic, and has a series of concentric
 circular ridges with offset openings. A set of
 (usually) three ball bearings can be rolled around
 along the ridges. The objective of the game is to get
  all three bearings into the inner most circle.
 
 See
 

  for a picture of the game.
 
 Regards,
 
Gora
 

 
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Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see

[Andrea Debortoli]

FreeRunner has accelerometers...
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#Accelerometers

GTA01 does not :-(

2008/3/3, Gora Mohanty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:17:42 +0100 (CET)
> David Samblas Martinez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [...]
>
> > 22. Digital level
> > Is any side of the phone straigh enough to be able to
> > develop such a freaking geek widget?
> > I could be a funny exercice to play with the
> > accelerometers.
>
> [...]
>
> The Neo 1973 does not have accelerometers, does it?
>
> The above would tickle my geek bone enough to do it
> if the Neo 1973 had accelerometers. I have an old
> Simputer that does have accelerometers, and has a
> great game which is a computer analogue of a child's
> handheld game. The real-life game is usually made
> out of cheap plastic, and has a series of concentric
> circular ridges with offset openings. A set of
> (usually) three ball bearings can be rolled around
> along the ridges. The objective of the game is to get
> all three bearings into the inner most circle.
>
> See
> <
> http://brainchunk.blogspot.com/2007/11/n95-application-wishlist-golgoli-game.html
> >
> for a picture of the game.
>
> Regards,
>
> Gora
>
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Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see

[Gora Mohanty]

On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:17:42 +0100 (CET)
David Samblas Martinez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
> 22. Digital level 
> Is any side of the phone straigh enough to be able to 
> develop such a freaking geek widget?
> I could be a funny exercice to play with the
> accelerometers.
[...]

The Neo 1973 does not have accelerometers, does it?

The above would tickle my geek bone enough to do it
if the Neo 1973 had accelerometers. I have an old
Simputer that does have accelerometers, and has a
great game which is a computer analogue of a child's
handheld game. The real-life game is usually made
out of cheap plastic, and has a series of concentric
circular ridges with offset openings. A set of
(usually) three ball bearings can be rolled around
along the ridges. The objective of the game is to get
all three bearings into the inner most circle.

See

for a picture of the game.

Regards,
Gora


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Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see

[joerg]

Am Mo  3. März 2008 schrieb Tilman Baumann:
> David Samblas Martinez wrote:
> 
> > 22. Digital level 
> > Is any side of the phone straigh enough to be able to 
> > develop such a freaking geek widget?
> > I could be a funny exercice to play with the
> > accelerometers.

Sure, at least backside.

> 
> No camera, no point. ;)
> 
>   Tilman

???

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Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see

[Tilman Baumann]

David Samblas Martinez wrote:

22. Digital level 
Is any side of the phone straigh enough to be able to 
develop such a freaking geek widget?

I could be a funny exercice to play with the
accelerometers.


No camera, no point. ;)

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Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see

[David Samblas Martinez]

I agree with kenneth ,
visit  
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Core_Applications
and 
http://projects.openmoko.org
to do the matching beetween this list and the
developed/working progress/planned application for
openmoko

but there is one on this list that is not in any of
the pages above.

22. Digital level 
Is any side of the phone straigh enough to be able to 
develop such a freaking geek widget?
I could be a funny exercice to play with the
accelerometers.
 --- kenneth marken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: 
> On Monday 03 March 2008 13:44:53 Breakable wrote:
> > Hello there,
> > I found this link in Google news. Its a list of
> applications users might
> > want for iPhone.
> >
>
http://www.macworld.com/article/132322/2008/03/iphoneapps.html
> >
> > I think by replacing iPhone with OpenMoko we would
> not make a big mistake.
> > Regards,
> > Ignas
> 
> heh, i suspect that many of those are in the works
> or will show up as the 
> openmoko phones start to spread out. some of those
> can even be done by ports 
> of existing software, like pidgin for im support of
> any kind.
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Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see

[kenneth marken]

On Monday 03 March 2008 13:44:53 Breakable wrote:
> Hello there,
> I found this link in Google news. Its a list of applications users might
> want for iPhone.
> http://www.macworld.com/article/132322/2008/03/iphoneapps.html
>
> I think by replacing iPhone with OpenMoko we would not make a big mistake.
> Regards,
> Ignas

heh, i suspect that many of those are in the works or will show up as the 
openmoko phones start to spread out. some of those can even be done by ports 
of existing software, like pidgin for im support of any kind.

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25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see

[Breakable]

Hello there,
I found this link in Google news. Its a list of applications users might
want for iPhone.
http://www.macworld.com/article/132322/2008/03/iphoneapps.html

I think by replacing iPhone with OpenMoko we would not make a big mistake.
Regards,
Ignas
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