Re: ARMv4 rating
You all don't seem to get what Openmoko is. Openmoko is based on and built with OpenEmbedded, a buildsystem for embedded devices, source-based and strongly inspired by gentoo's portage. If Openmoko is vor armv4, armv5 or so on only depends on the settings for the image in bitbake. And yes, armv4 is pretty old, but it's also pretty common nowadays and Openmoko is no armv4 distribution - it's built for specific devices, and in the case of the neos, that's armv4. It is of course not comparable with x86 architectures and successors are of course faster, else they wouldn't be there. :) @Marco: To say Android won't run on Neo is not more wrong than to say Android will run, like you do. Android is not yet fully opensource. Maybe it will be, maybe it won't be, I'm pretty sure you are no clairvoyant, too. It *might* be available in future, it *might* run on the neo (even if also opensource is no guarantee for that), but it just isn't yet. On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 5:08 AM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Bernreuther wrote: the Neo 1973 (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_hardware#Processor) as well as the Neo Freerunner ( http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#Processor) have Processors based on the ARMv4 instruction Set. Apparently one consequence (stated on these pages) is, that Android, requiring ARMv5, will not run on the Neo. (also see http://benno.id.au/blog/2007/11/21/android-neo1973) Well, saying Android won't run on Neo maybe could be a wrong statement since when Android source code will be available, it will be possible to recompile it for other platforms (maybe after few changes, who knows...), including AMRv4. -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
ARMv4 rating
Hello, the Neo 1973 (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_hardware#Processor) as well as the Neo Freerunner (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#Processor) have Processors based on the ARMv4 instruction Set. Apparently one consequence (stated on these pages) is, that Android, requiring ARMv5, will not run on the Neo. (also see http://benno.id.au/blog/2007/11/21/android-neo1973) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#ARM_cores lists ARM architecture versions up to ARMv7, which gives the impression that ARMv4 CPUs today might not be state-of-the-art and future-proof any more. One the other side, quite a few devices today seem to be still build upon ARMv4 based CPUs. Are there any OpenMoko compatible smartphone devices with an ARM achitecture v4? (Any plans?) Will OpenMoko and the Neos stick to the ARMv4 architecture in the future? If the next generation Neos use ARMv4 instruction sets, how long will OpenMoko distributions still support ARMv4? (How about Qtopia?) There should be no problem, if the source code is available, right? (BTW, a gentoo-like (http://www.gentoo.org/) distribution, which lets the user compile the packages, should always work.) What are the main (dis)advantages of ARMv4 compared to its successors? Ratings? (Is this comparable to x386, x686, x86_64,...?) Thank you, Martin -- _ Martin Bernreuther [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ARMv4 rating
On 4/26/08, Martin Bernreuther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [..] Are there any OpenMoko compatible smartphone devices with an ARM achitecture v4? (Any plans?) There has been discussions about this on both the kernel and the hardware list and I recommend you to read the hardware mailing list archive. Will OpenMoko and the Neos stick to the ARMv4 architecture in the future? If the next generation Neos use ARMv4 instruction sets, how long will OpenMoko distributions still support ARMv4? You can always compile Openmoko yourself ( ref.: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Cross_Compile and http://gentoo-wiki.com/TinyOS and http://wiki.openmoko.org/ ) and I am sure somebody will provide images for ARMv4 when/if Openmoko at some point should stop precompiling for this (How about Qtopia?) There should be no problem, if the source code is available, right? (BTW, a gentoo-like (http://www.gentoo.org/) distribution, which lets the user compile the packages, should always work.) It is good to see other Gentoo users here:) Maybe we should make an Openmoko ebuild file that builds the complete Openmoko image. (Could enable features with USE flags, e.g. $ echo dev-embedded/openmoko freerunner \ touchscreen bluetooth 802.11 \ /etc/portage/package.use \ emerge openmoko ) -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ARMv4 rating
Martin Bernreuther wrote: the Neo 1973 (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_hardware#Processor) as well as the Neo Freerunner (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#Processor) have Processors based on the ARMv4 instruction Set. Apparently one consequence (stated on these pages) is, that Android, requiring ARMv5, will not run on the Neo. (also see http://benno.id.au/blog/2007/11/21/android-neo1973) Well, saying Android won't run on Neo maybe could be a wrong statement since when Android source code will be available, it will be possible to recompile it for other platforms (maybe after few changes, who knows...), including AMRv4. -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
