Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution

[Al Johnson]

On Tuesday 03 March 2009, Helge Hafting wrote:
> Pander wrote:
> > It is more that it is available via easy to controls, i.e. "my mother
> > could use it".
>
> "Settings" should be fine. it is where you go to make changes.
> Rename "GSM" to "Phone", and
> "GSM antenna" to "Flight mode" (and swap on/off around)

"Flight mode" would need to disable WiFi and Bluetooth too. Or possibly just 
WiFi and Bluetooth, given that GSM picocells are now being deployed in some 
planes.

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Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution

[Helge Hafting]

Pander wrote:

> It is more that it is available via easy to controls, i.e. "my mother
> could use it". 

"Settings" should be fine. it is where you go to make changes.
Rename "GSM" to "Phone", and
"GSM antenna" to "Flight mode" (and swap on/off around)

Your mother ought to find it then. :-)

Helge Hafting

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Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution

[Pander]

Nacho Seijo wrote:
> I agree, with Phone Log you have an overview log. That's great! But this
> is the only way you have to realize you have missed calls.
> Could it be possible to notify missed calls by a notification screen? Or
> even better, could it be possible to notify them by an icon on top
> shelf? Some new top shelf gadget as clock, wifi or gsm.
> Raster, could this gadget be possible in illume? :)
> And maybe another icon to notify unread sms, instead of see the unread
> sms' content in the screen. Since anybody near the Freerunner can read it.

In the Wiki was talk about differnt kind of LED flash scheme's. A simple
flash-flash scheme of the power buttpn LED could be an indicator for a
missed call or recieved message.

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Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

In my Am Dienstag, den 03.03.2009, 05:10 +0100 schrieb Nacho Seijo:
> I agree, with Phone Log you have an overview log. That's great! But
> this is the only way you have to realize you have missed calls.
> Could it be possible to notify missed calls by a notification screen?
> Or even better, could it be possible to notify them by an icon on top
> shelf? Some new top shelf gadget as clock, wifi or gsm.

I'd appreciate something such as an FSO-gadget that can be used to
display various status messages from FSO subsystems (missed calls, data
connection active, alarm active, GPS status, etc.)

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Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution

[Nacho Seijo]

I agree, with Phone Log you have an overview log. That's great! But this is
the only way you have to realize you have missed calls.
Could it be possible to notify missed calls by a notification screen? Or
even better, could it be possible to notify them by an icon on top shelf?
Some new top shelf gadget as clock, wifi or gsm.
Raster, could this gadget be possible in illume? :)
And maybe another icon to notify unread sms, instead of see the unread sms'
content in the screen. Since anybody near the Freerunner can read it.

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Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution

[Steven **]

You should probably specify exactly which image your testing on the Wiki page.

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Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution

[Pander]

Helge Hafting wrote:
> Pander wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have started a feature overview for out of the box SHR unstable
>> distribution.
>>
>> This will show the current status of the functionality you get after
>> installing SHR and using only the high level GUI to use and manage it.
>>
>>   http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release#Feature_overview
>>
>> This overview is both reflecting the currect status, as is it focussing
>> on basic functionality which should be available on Neo FreeRunner.
> 
> The page indicates that flight mode isn't available.
> But one can use SHR settings and turn the GSM modem off. That is flight 
> mode by another name - other equipment shouldn't see radio interference.
> The phone even works after turning GSM on again, although this takes 
> some time.

It is more that it is available via easy to controls, i.e. "my mother
could use it". Hence that the table indicates that it is not yet
available. But many things are not yet available, let the table evolve
as time over time :)

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Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution

[Helge Hafting]

Pander wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I have started a feature overview for out of the box SHR unstable
> distribution.
> 
> This will show the current status of the functionality you get after
> installing SHR and using only the high level GUI to use and manage it.
> 
>   http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release#Feature_overview
> 
> This overview is both reflecting the currect status, as is it focussing
> on basic functionality which should be available on Neo FreeRunner.

The page indicates that flight mode isn't available.
But one can use SHR settings and turn the GSM modem off. That is flight 
mode by another name - other equipment shouldn't see radio interference.
The phone even works after turning GSM on again, although this takes 
some time.

Helge Hafting

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Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution

[Klaus Kurzmann]

* Petr Vanek  [090301 21:59]:
> >No, we don't have solved, as that would be fix only for systems on
> >microsd cards and only with Qi. AFAIK Qi already sets low loglevel as
> >default (as u-boot in NOR), so fix is needed by people, who use u-boot
> >(in NAND of course). And that fix isn't suitable for u-boot systems.

> correct... hmm we could perhaps provide boot_env image with correct
> parameters... but then they would have to flash it... anyhow... 

> the bottom line is, though that once people flash shr on a standard
> freerunner, the suspend/resume will be slow.
well... I can't see how this is SHR related... resume will be slow on
anything they flash, no?

Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann


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Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution

[Johny Tenfinger]

I think FR users should be able to change loglevel manually ;)

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Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution

[Petr Vanek]

>No, we don't have solved, as that would be fix only for systems on
>microsd cards and only with Qi. AFAIK Qi already sets low loglevel as
>default (as u-boot in NOR), so fix is needed by people, who use u-boot
>(in NAND of course). And that fix isn't suitable for u-boot systems.

correct... hmm we could perhaps provide boot_env image with correct
parameters... but then they would have to flash it... anyhow... 

the bottom line is, though that once people flash shr on a standard
freerunner, the suspend/resume will be slow.

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Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution

[Johny Tenfinger]

On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 21:19, Petr Vanek  wrote:
> shr already supports  /boot/uImage-GTA02.bin, why not just
> include /boot/append-GTA02 with loglevel=1 inside and from _not_ours_
> we have _solved_

No, we don't have solved, as that would be fix only for systems on
microsd cards and only with Qi. AFAIK Qi already sets low loglevel as
default (as u-boot in NOR), so fix is needed by people, who use u-boot
(in NAND of course). And that fix isn't suitable for u-boot systems.

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Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution

[Petr Vanek]

On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 17:11:29 +0100
Johny Tenfinger  (JT) wrote:

>On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 17:07, Pander 
>wrote:
>> Will this be fixed in the boot loader? (ticket)
>
>Bootloader is not part of SHR.

shr already supports  /boot/uImage-GTA02.bin, why not just
include /boot/append-GTA02 with loglevel=1 inside and from _not_ours_
we have _solved_

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Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution

[Johny Tenfinger]

On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 17:07, Pander  wrote:
> Will this be fixed in the boot loader? (ticket)

Bootloader is not part of SHR.

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Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution

[Pander]

Johny Tenfinger wrote:
> Slow suspend isn't distro issue - it is your bootloader.

Will this be fixed in the boot loader? (ticket)

Should one already use Qi with current SHR unstable distro?

If you will
> set loglevel=1 in kernel cmdline, suspend/resume would be much faster.

I assume this won't be necessary once the bootloader is fixed regarding
 this?


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Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution

[Johny Tenfinger]

On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 16:07, Rask Ingemann Lambertsen  wrote:
>   Yes, but look at
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release#GPS>, where it
> says you need to do so manually.

And that's wrong.

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Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution

[Rask Ingemann Lambertsen]

On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 03:41:25PM +0100, Pander wrote:
> Petr Vanek wrote:
> > On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:09:10 +0100 (CET)
> > Richy  (R) wrote:
> > 
> >> Concering GPS: It is true, that it isn't turned on at boot, but it is
> >> turned on automatically if needed.
> >>
> >> The article sounds like it's a must to turn it on manually if you want
> >> to use it.
> > 
> > i think this causes confusion all the time, but in reality works great:
> > you don't turn anything on or off, daemon runs all the time
> > automatically from init scripts and if client (TangoGPS) connects to it,
> > gps is auto turned on, after TangoGPS disconnects, gps is turned off.
> 
> as is documented here
>   http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release#Feature_overview

   Yes, but look at
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release#GPS>, where it
says you need to do so manually.

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Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution

[Johny Tenfinger]

On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 16:01, Johny Tenfinger  wrote:
> "Overview Log (In, Out, Answered, All)" - it should be red, instead of
> orange, as it probably won't be implemented in nearly future.

Oh, i'm wrong. I thought that it is all about Illume integration, not
only hint "it should be" :) As "won't be implemented" I mean
integration with Illume of course, as pyphonelog is working well :)

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Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution

[Johny Tenfinger]

Slow suspend isn't distro issue - it is your bootloader. If you will
set loglevel=1 in kernel cmdline, suspend/resume would be much faster.

"Overview Log (In, Out, Answered, All)" - it should be red, instead of
orange, as it probably won't be implemented in nearly future.

"headphones work, microphone does not work" - can you say more about that?

Looks like actual SHR-unstable is stable enough to be new testing
image, which we want to release in few days ;) After that we will work
on opimd integration and few other "cutting-edge" functionalities (so
it won't be so stable then!) ;)

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Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution

[Pander]

Petr Vanek wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:09:10 +0100 (CET)
> Richy  (R) wrote:
> 
>> Concering GPS: It is true, that it isn't turned on at boot, but it is
>> turned on automatically if needed.
>>
>> The article sounds like it's a must to turn it on manually if you want
>> to use it.
> 
> i think this causes confusion all the time, but in reality works great:
> you don't turn anything on or off, daemon runs all the time
> automatically from init scripts and if client (TangoGPS) connects to it,
> gps is auto turned on, after TangoGPS disconnects, gps is turned off.

as is documented here
  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release#Feature_overview

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Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution

[Petr Vanek]

On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:09:10 +0100 (CET)
Richy  (R) wrote:

>Concering GPS: It is true, that it isn't turned on at boot, but it is
>turned on automatically if needed.
>
>The article sounds like it's a must to turn it on manually if you want
>to use it.

i think this causes confusion all the time, but in reality works great:
you don't turn anything on or off, daemon runs all the time
automatically from init scripts and if client (TangoGPS) connects to it,
gps is auto turned on, after TangoGPS disconnects, gps is turned off.

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Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution

[Richy]

Concering GPS: It is true, that it isn't turned on at boot, but it is turned on automatically if needed.The article sounds like it's a must to turn it on manually if you want to use it.On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 13:10, Franky Van Liedekerke  wrote:On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 12:40:10 +0100
Pander  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have started a feature overview for out of the box SHR unstable
> distribution.
>
> This will show the current status of the functionality you get after
> installing SHR and using only the high level GUI to use and manage it.
>
>   http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release#Feature_overview
>
> This overview is both reflecting the currect status, as is it
> focussing on basic functionality which should be available on Neo
> FreeRunner.
>
> Regards,
>
> Pander
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Hi,

you mention something about changing ringtones on the wiki, but that is
still mostly commandline info. Why not mention shr-settings that can do
this gui-wise (see
http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr-settings.git;a=commitdiff;h=f9fba44b7038f00bf2399df6e755779bfc511571)?

And of course a small question: fso is very busy to using the opimd via
paroli, so why doesn't shr start on this as well? I've checked the git
repo, but haven't found anything lately that points to opimd usage ...

Franky

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Re: Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution

[Franky Van Liedekerke]

On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 12:40:10 +0100
Pander  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I have started a feature overview for out of the box SHR unstable
> distribution.
> 
> This will show the current status of the functionality you get after
> installing SHR and using only the high level GUI to use and manage it.
> 
>   http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release#Feature_overview
> 
> This overview is both reflecting the currect status, as is it
> focussing on basic functionality which should be available on Neo
> FreeRunner.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Pander
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Hi,

you mention something about changing ringtones on the wiki, but that is
still mostly commandline info. Why not mention shr-settings that can do
this gui-wise (see
http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr-settings.git;a=commitdiff;h=f9fba44b7038f00bf2399df6e755779bfc511571)?

And of course a small question: fso is very busy to using the opimd via
paroli, so why doesn't shr start on this as well? I've checked the git
repo, but haven't found anything lately that points to opimd usage ...

Franky

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Feature overview out of the box SHR unstable distribution

[Pander]

Hi all,

I have started a feature overview for out of the box SHR unstable
distribution.

This will show the current status of the functionality you get after
installing SHR and using only the high level GUI to use and manage it.

  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release#Feature_overview

This overview is both reflecting the currect status, as is it focussing
on basic functionality which should be available on Neo FreeRunner.

Regards,

Pander

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