Re: First impressions of Neo1973
On Friday 25 May 2007 13:37, Sven Neuhaus wrote: The software seems a lot worse than the hardware at the moment. Every reaction to user input is slow. The GUI is quite pretty but the speed is worrysome. What CPU is going to be in the upcoming faster version? I would not be surprised to hear the emphasis is on the hardware, as sofware can be field-upgraded and customized, the hardware cannot. Perhaps not the best example, but a similar thing happened/is happening to the GP2X linux mobile gaming console, the hardware differences among production runs were not that much different, software OTOH improved quite a bit compared to the not really impressive first releases. As I said, not really surprising in a homebrew target audience. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
On May 25, 2007, at 9:01 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 25 May 2007 13:37, Sven Neuhaus wrote: The software seems a lot worse than the hardware at the moment. Every reaction to user input is slow. The GUI is quite pretty but the speed is worrysome. What CPU is going to be in the upcoming faster version? I would not be surprised to hear the emphasis is on the hardware, as sofware can be field-upgraded and customized, the hardware cannot. Perhaps not the best example, but a similar thing happened/is happening to the GP2X linux mobile gaming console, the hardware differences among production runs were not that much different, software OTOH improved quite a bit compared to the not really impressive first releases. As I said, not really surprising in There is a small core team at the moment that's working on the 'vital' phone applications. The problems with speed are not inherent - simply that very little work has gone in to optimising the existing software, most work is going into adding essential features, and moving on to new broken bits as soon as it works, even though it may not be as fast as would be liked. Let me also add that the reason the hardware is getting better faster now is because the coreteam is working on the hardware. At the expense, of the software ;-) Once we get this hardware shipping we can finally all concentrate more time again on software. -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
Hello, I've just done a fast sizeasy comparison: http://www.sizeasy.com/page/comp/1840 And, yes, the Neo1973 is big! 2007/5/16, Tim Newsom [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 15 May 2007 22:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 15 May 2007, Tigran Zakoyan wrote: Jason Elwell wrote: I dont know whats more sad... You creating a paperdoll of an OpenMoko, or the fact that I downloaded it and made one for myself! LOL! Me too :) BTW, can't agree 1973 is too big. It just fits the size of my QTEKs110, which size's been really handy for me two years I use it. Not to mention the difference in functionality :) Me three. Next to my Sidekick, the Neo is petite. It's all relative. M Could you, or someone who just happens to have both, post a picture containing them side by side and edge on for comparison? I figured it would be about the same dimensionally (HxWxD) as the sidekick. Is it smaller? Thinner? Wider? Shorter? --Tim ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- J. Manrique López de la Fuente http://www.jsmanrique.net msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
Nice Jose, I added the Sidekick3 dimensions... http://www.sizeasy.com/page/comp/1842 -Pete On 16/05/07, Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I've just done a fast sizeasy comparison: http://www.sizeasy.com/page/comp/1840 And, yes, the Neo1973 is big! 2007/5/16, Tim Newsom [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 15 May 2007 22:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 15 May 2007, Tigran Zakoyan wrote: Jason Elwell wrote: I dont know whats more sad... You creating a paperdoll of an OpenMoko, or the fact that I downloaded it and made one for myself! LOL! Me too :) BTW, can't agree 1973 is too big. It just fits the size of my QTEKs110, which size's been really handy for me two years I use it. Not to mention the difference in functionality :) Me three. Next to my Sidekick, the Neo is petite. It's all relative. M Could you, or someone who just happens to have both, post a picture containing them side by side and edge on for comparison? I figured it would be about the same dimensionally (HxWxD) as the sidekick. Is it smaller? Thinner? Wider? Shorter? --Tim ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- J. Manrique López de la Fuente http://www.jsmanrique.net msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
Thanks, that helps quite a bit. But if that's accurate, the neo is not that big. The sidekick 3 is slightly smaller and thinner than a sidekick 2 (my current phone) and the neo is considerably smaller than that... Maybe its large to someone who uses a flip phone or set616 type phone. To me, it seems perfect. In comparison, the Ipod phone is only about 2/3 or 3/4 the thickness (yeah, that a large gap.. But hey its eyeballed) and only a tiny fraction shorter. The widths are pretty much the same. --Tim On Wed, 16 May 2007 2:38, Peter A Trotter wrote: Nice Jose, I added the Sidekick3 dimensions... http://www.sizeasy.com/page/comp/1842 -Pete On 16/05/07, Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I've just done a fast sizeasy comparison: http://www.sizeasy.com/page/comp/1840 And, yes, the Neo1973 is big! 2007/5/16, Tim Newsom [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 15 May 2007 22:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 15 May 2007, Tigran Zakoyan wrote: Jason Elwell wrote: I dont know whats more sad... You creating a paperdoll of an OpenMoko, or the fact that I downloaded it and made one for myself! LOL! Me too :) BTW, can't agree 1973 is too big. It just fits the size of my QTEKs110, which size's been really handy for me two years I use it. Not to mention the difference in functionality :) Me three. Next to my Sidekick, the Neo is petite. It's all relative. M Could you, or someone who just happens to have both, post a picture containing them side by side and edge on for comparison? I figured it would be about the same dimensionally (HxWxD) as the sidekick. Is it smaller? Thinner? Wider? Shorter? --Tim ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- J. Manrique López de la Fuente http://www.jsmanrique.net msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community --Tim ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
Christopher Tokarczyk wrote: not having a neo yet I can't comment on how it actually performs now, but I just think it's worth pointing out that this is still very very early. personally, i'm not too worried because i have faith that once the phones are out and the community at large has a crack at them, things will improve. that said, it is hard to be patient because this thing seems so cool ;-) Why do we keep saying it's still early? The phone was due in March, and it's now not going to ship (if we're lucky) until June. It's not early, it's late! Yes, the hardware has had issues, and yes we want it right, but the software should have been ready to go in March when it was scheduled to be released. Everyone keeps saying that it doesn't matter that this thing is going to be released around the iPhone's release - but just try and get some PR during the iPhone's rollout. Timing is everything, and in June all eyes will be on Apple. Say what you want, but this latest ship was just another shot in the foot towards the product's success. Dunc ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
Why do we keep saying it's still early? The phone was due in March, and it's now not going to ship (if we're lucky) until June. It's not early, it's late! Yes, the hardware has had issues, and yes we want it right, but the software should have been ready to go in March when it was scheduled to be released. Everyone keeps saying that it doesn't matter that this thing is For a mass market phone I agree that it is late - and to be precise, it was announced for January: http://www.openmoko.com/files/ OpenMoko_20061107.pdf But for a really unique open developer platform it is never too late. going to be released around the iPhone's release - but just try and get some PR during the iPhone's rollout. Timing is everything, and in June all eyes will be on Apple. Say what you want, but this latest ship was just another shot in the foot towards the product's success. That depends on whether you believe this iPhone killer positioning does matter at all. I think what more matters is whether Apple opens the iPhone or not. Apple appears to be undecided themselves: http://www.macrumors.com/2007/05/11/apple-still-considering-3rd-party- iphone-app-development/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
Jason Elwell wrote: I dont know whats more sad... You creating a paperdoll of an OpenMoko, or the fact that I downloaded it and made one for myself! LOL! Me too :) BTW, can't agree 1973 is too big. It just fits the size of my QTEKs110, which size's been really handy for me two years I use it. Not to mention the difference in functionality :) BW, Tigran Zakoyan. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
Hello Community, I am reading this mailing list about a month. And finally here is my first post :) Can any of happy neo1973 owners talk about its audio quality? Comparing sound quality to iPod or SonyEricsson K750/W800/W810 with their native headphones (using known non-professional ones with neo, e.g. KOSS PortaPro). BTW, I'm from Ukraine. Are there anybody too? Thanks to OpenMoko team for great work!!! =#=-===-===#=--- - -- -=#=-- - - - - Best regards, Denis ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
Denis, There are not many neo1973 owners yet. Only about 36 developers have received a free phone. From what we hear, there is alot of work still to be be done on the basic software. Hopefully in the the very near future, FIC will begin selling to the rest of the development community so that we can start writing all sorts of new applications for it. Then, somethime in the distant future, FIC will open sales up to thegeneral public. Regards, Jason On Tuesday 15 May 2007 04:53:41 Denis Parchenko wrote: Hello Community, I am reading this mailing list about a month. And finally here is my first post :) Can any of happy neo1973 owners talk about its audio quality? Comparing sound quality to iPod or SonyEricsson K750/W800/W810 with their native headphones (using known non-professional ones with neo, e.g. KOSS PortaPro). BTW, I'm from Ukraine. Are there anybody too? Thanks to OpenMoko team for great work!!! =#=-===-===#=--- - -- -=#=-- - - - - Best regards, Denis ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
2007/5/14, Ole Tange [EMAIL PROTECTED]: = Software = Software is very limited at this point: I have yet to place my first call using the phone. Features and overall software quality can (and will) improve in future, but poor performance worries me much. Long time ago I had Palm III which had 16MHz CPU and it's responsiveness was far, far better than Neo. My wife took working Neo1973, tapped random icon once, twice and a few times more and said device is hanging. I came to her, pointed small hourglass in top bar and after a while... dialer application started. Typical PDA, PalmOS or Windows Mobile based, boots in a few seconds and fires application in a second or two (or it displays splash if it's big software, like navigation one). Neo boots long minutes and even most basic applications starts too long - you can even watch GUI elements are drawn just like Java AWT or Swing widgets do on very slow machines. Maybe 200MHz ARM is just to weak to handle heavyweight GTK? Ot is there any other reason it works so slow? -- Tomek Z. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
not having a neo yet I can't comment on how it actually performs now, but I just think it's worth pointing out that this is still very very early. personally, i'm not too worried because i have faith that once the phones are out and the community at large has a crack at them, things will improve. that said, it is hard to be patient because this thing seems so cool ;-) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
On Tue, 15 May 2007 22:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 15 May 2007, Tigran Zakoyan wrote: Jason Elwell wrote: I dont know whats more sad... You creating a paperdoll of an OpenMoko, or the fact that I downloaded it and made one for myself! LOL! Me too :) BTW, can't agree 1973 is too big. It just fits the size of my QTEKs110, which size's been really handy for me two years I use it. Not to mention the difference in functionality :) Me three. Next to my Sidekick, the Neo is petite. It's all relative. M Could you, or someone who just happens to have both, post a picture containing them side by side and edge on for comparison? I figured it would be about the same dimensionally (HxWxD) as the sidekick. Is it smaller? Thinner? Wider? Shorter? --Tim ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
First impressions of Neo1973
= Hardware = == Size == The phone is BIG. There is no other word for it. It makes it even worse when you open the phone and see that a lot of space is wasted: Half of the thickness is taken by the battery, a very small vibrator, 2 small loud speakers and half of the 2 antennas - leaving 50% of half of the phone as empty space. The carrying hole is just making this worse. I am not sure if you could have made the phone slimmer, but it seems that it would have been easy to make room for a battery twice the size. I usually carry my Siemens S55 and my Samsung NV3 camera in one pocket. But swapping the S55 with the Neo is going to take some time getting used to. == The screen == The resolution of the screen is awesome. I still need to try it in sunshine. == The hardware button == There is a hardware button on the left side. But it is hard to press (I have to use force), which will limit its usefulness. Had it been extended a few mm then it is in the perfect location for my thumb and might be useful as a CTRL key. == The power button == To turn the phone on you have to hold the power button for 5 seconds. You get no feedback during this and it is hard to feel if the button is actually pressed. It would have been nice with some feedback. A status LED would be sufficient. == Connecting the USB == I still have doubt whether the USB cable is actually plugged in and the phone charging, because I cannot turn on a completely discharged phone as soon as I plug it in. If my Siemens S55 is completely discharged I plug it in and from that second I can use the phone normally again. An LED on the phone to should it when it was charging and show when it was ready to turn on would help a lot. == The MicroSD holder == Putting the MicroSD card into the phone takes some practice. The holder is very fragile, so you probably only want to do this once and do data transfer via USB/Bluetooth. If this is not improved for the mass market phone the package must contain a how-to-install-microSD-card otherwise I predict broken MicroSD holders. = Software = Software is very limited at this point: I have yet to place my first call using the phone. == Placement of buttons == I read from left to right. I will expect most people, who will use the phone, will do that. I believe it is because of this, that I find it natural that if presented with 2 buttons 'previous' and 'next' I will expect 'previous' to on the left side. That is similar to the web browsers I use: Left means back, right means forward. If I click something wrong in the web browser and want to undo that I press back (i.e. left) again. So to me the following actions should be put on the left side: left, undo, back, cancel, previous, no, reject-call and these should be put on the right hand side: right, apply, forward, OK, next, yes, answer-call, do-it From this I also find the following gestures natural: Drag-left = backspace Drag-right = space Backspace is similar to undo and if a gesture is needed for the left-grouped buttons then this should be it. The right-grouped buttons should have the opposite (similar to space). == UI improvements == I like to drag things. In the calendar I cannot see the whole day. I have to use the scrollbar (which BTW seems not to be proportionally resized). I would like to simply click on the time and drag that up or down (like when you drag around a PDF file in e.g. Acroread). And do the same with the days in week view. The feedback is bad. I was often in doubt whether I had clicked or not. Using the hour glass icon more would help some but not solve everything. == Application: Screen rotate == This rotates to landscape and back. Neat. But again the feedback is too slow. /Ole ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
On 5/14/07, Ole Tange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = Hardware = I have been asked which phone versions this covers Phone version: GTA01B_V3 and GTA01B_V4 Both are phase-0 phones. /Ole ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
On 5/14/07, Ole Tange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So to me the following actions should be put on the left side: left, undo, back, cancel, previous, no, reject-call and these should be put on the right hand side: right, apply, forward, OK, next, yes, answer-call, do-it I just want to point out that the Neo wouldn't be the only phone to put answer-call on the left and reject-call/end on the right. I'm pretty sure every phone I've ever had did it that way as well. Definitely the phone I have right now has it that way. So, for consistency, it makes sense to leave it that way. It also occurs to me that in an OK/Cancel dialog, OK is always on the left. So again, consistency would suggest leaving it that way. -Steven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
From all phones I saw being sold in Europe (and few years ago in Asia) only Motorola (and not in all models) use the reject-on-left and answer-on-right style. Maybe Im mistaken but I always tought that all others just do the oposite? Have no idea where did it come from, considering that first mobile phones was made in Motorola as I believe, and others perhaps should follow. But since the most phones use answer-on-left and reject-on-right style, it should be more intuitive for most users (despite that as right-handed I prefer Motorola style). Maybe in future someone will implement some configuration or maybe some different themes/skins will be enough to choose which style is best for me. :-) Piotr Steven ** napisał(a): On 5/14/07, *Ole Tange* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So to me the following actions should be put on the left side: left, undo, back, cancel, previous, no, reject-call and these should be put on the right hand side: right, apply, forward, OK, next, yes, answer-call, do-it I just want to point out that the Neo wouldn't be the only phone to put answer-call on the left and reject-call/end on the right. I'm pretty sure every phone I've ever had did it that way as well. Definitely the phone I have right now has it that way. So, for consistency, it makes sense to leave it that way. It also occurs to me that in an OK/Cancel dialog, OK is always on the left. So again, consistency would suggest leaving it that way. -Steven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
Piotr Duda napisał(a): models) use the reject-on-left and answer-on-right style. Maybe Im mistaken but I always tought that all others just do the oposite? Have no idea where did it come from, considering that first mobile phones was made in Motorola as I believe, and others perhaps should follow. But since the most The problem is same as slash and backslash or little endian and big endian. People just love incompatibility... Regards. -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard Insurance Ltd. Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
On 14/05/07, Piotr Duda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From all phones I saw being sold in Europe (and few years ago in Asia) only Motorola (and not in all models) use the reject-on-left and answer-on-right style. Maybe Im mistaken but I always tought that all others just do the oposite? Have no idea where did it come from, considering that first mobile phones was made in Motorola as I believe, and others perhaps should follow. But since the most phones use answer-on-left and reject-on-right style, it should be more intuitive for most users (despite that as right-handed I prefer Motorola style). Maybe in future someone will implement some configuration or maybe some different themes/skins will be enough to choose which style is best for me. :-) I guess when you hold a phone in your right hand, the left button is easiest to hit with your thumb... Piotr Steven ** napisał(a): On 5/14/07, *Ole Tange* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So to me the following actions should be put on the left side: left, undo, back, cancel, previous, no, reject-call and these should be put on the right hand side: right, apply, forward, OK, next, yes, answer-call, do-it I just want to point out that the Neo wouldn't be the only phone to put answer-call on the left and reject-call/end on the right. I'm pretty sure every phone I've ever had did it that way as well. Definitely the phone I have right now has it that way. So, for consistency, it makes sense to leave it that way. It also occurs to me that in an OK/Cancel dialog, OK is always on the left. So again, consistency would suggest leaving it that way. -Steven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Vincent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
On ma, 2007-05-14 at 07:21 -0500, Steven ** wrote: It also occurs to me that in an OK/Cancel dialog, OK is always on the left. So again, consistency would suggest leaving it that way. OpenMoko uses GTK, which per default uses the Mac-style OK on bottom right approach, which I find to be better argued for. So, incorrect. Also not all phones have answer/call on left and reject/end-call on right, though it is true that it seems to be the majority vote. I have seen phones where it is reversed, but don't recall the models. I have no strong opinions on the answer/call and reject/end-call ordering, but would like it if the GTK practice was adhered to. This _would_ logically place also answer/call on the right, of course... Perhaps for the answer/call buttons at least the order should be settable, default maybe the order most phones do it in. (And of course it is in the end settable anyway, but from a GUI ;) -- Mikko J Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Helsinki ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd. wrote: Piotr Duda napisał(a): models) use the reject-on-left and answer-on-right style. Maybe Im mistaken but I always tought that all others just do the oposite? Have no idea where did it come from, considering that first mobile phones was made in Motorola as I believe, and others perhaps should follow. But since the most The problem is same as slash and backslash or little endian and big endian. People just love incompatibility... Well, I can tell you not all Motorola phones are laid out like this. On my Motorola phone, the call is on the right, and the disconnect on the left. On my wife's Motorola phone, the call/OK is on the left, and the cancel/disconnect on the right. Messes both of us up all the time, when we use each other's phones! Cheers, -- John Locke Open Source Solutions for Small Business Problems published by Charles River Media, June 2004 http://www.freelock.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
On Mon, 2007-05-14 at 15:53 +0200, Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd. wrote: Piotr Duda napisał(a): models) use the reject-on-left and answer-on-right style. Maybe Im mistaken but I always tought that all others just do the oposite? Have no idea where did it come from, considering that first mobile phones was made in Motorola as I believe, and others perhaps should follow. But since the most The problem is same as slash and backslash or little endian and big endian. People just love incompatibility... No they dont, just money hungry monopolist like it. But thats another thread on another forum. E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
I would be interested to know what you thought were strong suits of the phone. Programs you liked, and other things that the phone does well. Just curious I guess. I like hearing about the phone from people who have actual models. Thanks, Matt ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
The same for me. Especially I'm interessted in the speed, the phone functions (address book, dialer, history, ...) and the voice quality. 2007/5/14, mathew davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I would be interested to know what you thought were strong suits of the phone. Programs you liked, and other things that the phone does well. Just curious I guess. I like hearing about the phone from people who have actual models. Thanks, Matt ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
I too would love to hear more about the phone, even if its an early release. Take it outside for us, and tell us about the sunlight reading! Send us a photo of it being 'big', maybe in comparison to another phone or a soda can or mouse pad! Does anyone know if there are plans for the final design to be shrunk down a bit, if there really seems to be this much empty space? FYI my Nokia bar phone (don't know the model but its been pretty standard over the last three phones like this) has the Call/Answer on the left, and disconnect on the right. -- start using Free software http://www.linux.org http://www.fsf.org It's a matter of Liberty not Price: Free Software exists to free you from the artificial constraints set by Apple and Microsoft. Free software is Unrestricted software. Get Free. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
On 5/14/07, mathew davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would be interested to know what you thought were strong suits of the phone. Programs you liked, and other things that the phone does well. Just curious I guess. I like hearing about the phone from people who have actual models. It is a developer phone, so it is hardly surprising that the quality of the software is lacking. Thus, I have so far not been able to place a call. The other applications can hardly be called strong. The size is surprisingly accurate to my paperdoll http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/2/27/Neo1973-doll.pdf So if you want to get a feel of how big it is - print it out and start folding. A picture of the (bangend up) doll, a couple of phones and a CD is here: https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:PhoneSizeComparison.jpg /Ole ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
I dont know whats more sad... You creating a paperdoll of an OpenMoko, or the fact that I downloaded it and made one for myself! LOL! Hopefully it will confort me till I get the real thing. :) -Jason On Monday 14 May 2007 15:40:31 Ole Tange wrote: On 5/14/07, mathew davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would be interested to know what you thought were strong suits of the phone. Programs you liked, and other things that the phone does well. Just curious I guess. I like hearing about the phone from people who have actual models. It is a developer phone, so it is hardly surprising that the quality of the software is lacking. Thus, I have so far not been able to place a call. The other applications can hardly be called strong. The size is surprisingly accurate to my paperdoll http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/2/27/Neo1973-doll.pdf So if you want to get a feel of how big it is - print it out and start folding. A picture of the (bangend up) doll, a couple of phones and a CD is here: https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:PhoneSizeComparison.jpg /Ole ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
