Re: Fwd: tomtom on the Neo1973
Hello, that is right, but only the Kernel and other GPLed Software is free to use. The TomTom Software is closed. TomTom musst optimize the software for the use on openmoko and the Neo1973. I hope they support the Openmoko platform in the future :) With kind regards Patrick Beck Am Freitag, den 08.06.2007, 17:54 +0200 schrieb Kero van Gelder: Now the answer from TomTom: Dear Mr. Beck, Currently TomTom has no plans to extend our navigation software to other platforms. However the Openmoko is an interesting development and we will keep an eye on it to see how this project evolves into the future. With kind regards, The TomTom PRO support team A friend of mine mentioned the TomTom GO is a linux device. FWIW: http://www.tomtom.com/page.php?Page=gpl Bye, Kero. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: tomtom on the Neo1973
Well, OpenMoko still is mainly a phone platform, not a gps platform. ;) The Neo will me sold als phone with the option to install software, not because of its GPS chip. There will be much free software which will make the Neo a great smartphone (hopefully ^^). TomTom ported its software to series60 as smartphones became popular. They also ported it to WinCE/Mobile. I'm sure they will port it to OpenMoko as they see a market. This is a totally new platform, so nobody could expect that TomTom promises a port. As you see I'm confident. :-) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: tomtom on the Neo1973
Ian Darwin wrote: I'd like to have good maps, and as you implied, OpenStreetMap (OSM) is probably years - maybe decades - from having comprehensive maps of the world. Much digitization required :-). this actually depends on where you're located. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: tomtom on the Neo1973
Well, I hope you're right! And I hope enough Neos get sold that it becomes worth their while. I'd like to have good maps, and as you implied, OpenStreetMap (OSM) is probably years - maybe decades - from having comprehensive maps of the world. Much digitization required :-). Ian Darwin A simple app to add data for the OpenStreetMap project on OpenMoko will probably help a lot. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: tomtom on the Neo1973
Raphaël Jacquot wrote: Ian Darwin wrote: I'd like to have good maps, and as you implied, OpenStreetMap (OSM) is probably years - maybe decades - from having comprehensive maps of the world. Much digitization required :-). this actually depends on where you're located. Yes, clearly some major cities like London and STockholm have been heavily mapped. However many of us travel either off the beaten track, or, don't know in advance where we'll get sent, so in both cases reliable mapping data at 100% coverage is desirable. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: tomtom on the Neo1973
A simple app to add data for the OpenStreetMap project on OpenMoko will probably help a lot. Absolutely. And I'm sure several of these will come into being. If you want reuse, however, you should think about writing it in Java. Believe that there will be good Java ME implementations for OpenMoko. The coverage on modern cell phones and smart phones for Java is maybe 80 or 90%. The coverage of GTK+ is pretty close to zero (though obviously OpenMoko will change this!). If you write in Java you can have one code base that runs on most phones AND most Blackberries AND Treo AND (someday soon) OpenMoko. and so on. Not all of which have GPS anyway, but you get the idea. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Fwd: tomtom on the Neo1973
Well, this answer is not too bad and maybe better than expected. will keep an eye on it could mean, that TomTom will wait and see how the first OpenMoko Phones (Neo1973 Phase 2) sell. If the sales are ok, maybe they release their software for OpenMoko. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: tomtom on the Neo1973
Hi, you are right. I hope they change that information in the future :) With kind regards, Patrick Beck Am Dienstag, den 29.05.2007, 21:55 +0200 schrieb Thomas Gstädtner: Well, this answer is not too bad and maybe better than expected. will keep an eye on it could mean, that TomTom will wait and see how the first OpenMoko Phones (Neo1973 Phase 2) sell. If the sales are ok, maybe they release their software for OpenMoko. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: tomtom on the Neo1973
Thomas Gstädtner wrote: Well, this answer is not too bad and maybe better than expected. will keep an eye on it could mean, that TomTom will wait and see how the first OpenMoko Phones (Neo1973 Phase 2) sell. If the sales are ok, maybe they release their software for OpenMoko. I think you're right; after the first 250,000 or so Neo 1973 phones have been sold, they *may* look again. There are currently under 350 signups, so I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. If you just want to use a $350 Neo as a $200 GPS, you might as well spend the time on a mashup of RoadMap and OpenStreetMap. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: tomtom on the Neo1973
Ian Darwin wrote: I think you're right; after the first 250,000 or so Neo 1973 phones have been sold, they *may* look again. There are currently under 350 signups, so I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. If you just want to use a $350 Neo as a $200 GPS, you might as well spend the time on a mashup of RoadMap and OpenStreetMap. In re-reading my post I see it could be taken as critical of the project; no, I am a big fan of the project. I just don't think people should expect instant recognition from big vendors that are used to dealing in huge (comparatively) sales volumes. According to tomtom.com, as of this very month they have sold TEN MILLION GPS units. It costs most big software companies many, many thousands of dollars to do what we think of as a port because of their overhead, and they won't generally do it just to be cool but because they expect to recoup what it costs. I would be glad to be proven wrong in certain individual cases, but this is how the system works in general. And besides, wouldn't you rather have an open source program drawing your maps? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: tomtom on the Neo1973
Yes, but if I am relying on my device to be able to get from point A to point B then I would MUCH rather have it be able to give me an accurate map and directions. Its almost a chicken and egg problem. TomTom only sells/ports to high volume platforms. Platforms need TomTom (not specifically, just in general) to be mass marketable. I fully plan on supporting OpenStreetMap (although the US coverage is terrible), but it is NOT ready for use outside of enthusiasts and certainly NOT ready to be a mass marketable option. Ian Darwin wrote: And besides, wouldn't you rather have an open source program drawing your maps? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
