Re: GSM Carrier
arne anka wrote: > i'm sure, if it was that easy to circumvent the restrictions imposed on a > 5$ plan, t-mobile would have dropped it already. I'm guessing that their current lineup of phones are so locked up in terms of software ability, it's never been *tried* before on TMobile's network? Perhaps I'm wrong. -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM Carrier
On Fri, 4 Jul 2008, arne anka wrote: >> Or with a little more work you can make the entire thing transparent by >> setting up a VPN on one of those ports and just directing linux to >> route all traffic over the VPN. > > i'm sure, if it was that easy to circumvent the restrictions imposed on > a 5$ plan, t-mobile would have dropped it already. If you think that's funny, T-Mobile wifi (in the US) allows you to route port 53/UDP to the world before you pay them. So OpenVPN to a machine on port 53 and you're golden. There is a common mistake in the geek community that once people are aware of the problems, they fix them. -- Asheesh. -- Hildebrant's Principle: If you don't know where you are going, any road will get you there. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM Carrier
Well that's not really "easy". Remember, this is a mobile phone. So it's either completely closed or closed enough to make a project like that exceedingly difficult. So unless you happen to have a truly open phone (say, one running openmoko?) it's close enough to impossible that the carriers don't worry about it. And it'll probably take a lot of openmoko-based phones doing this before it becomes worth their time to try to plug the "hole". - Michael -Original Message- From: "arne anka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, Jul 4, 2008 4:19 am Subject: Re: GSM Carrier To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" Reply-To: List for Openmoko community discussion > Or with a little more work you can make the entire thing transparent by setting up a VPN on one of those ports and just directing linux to route all traffic over the VPN. i'm sure, if it was that easy to circumvent the restrictions imposed on a 5$ plan, t-mobile would have dropped it already. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM Carrier
Normally it is. If the provider allows you to access SSL sites, there's not much the can do. Google for proxytunnel. On 7/4/08, arne anka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Or with a little more work you can make the entire thing transparent by >> setting up a VPN on one of those ports and just directing linux to route >> all traffic over the VPN. > > i'm sure, if it was that easy to circumvent the restrictions imposed on a > 5$ plan, t-mobile would have dropped it already. > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM Carrier
> Or with a little more work you can make the entire thing transparent by > setting up a VPN on one of those ports and just directing linux to route > all traffic over the VPN. i'm sure, if it was that easy to circumvent the restrictions imposed on a 5$ plan, t-mobile would have dropped it already. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM Carrier
On Thu, 3 Jul 2008, ian douglas wrote: > Brad Pitcher wrote: >> That is exactly right. I thought I read about some work around for the >> port restriction, but I didn't dare to try it so I stuck with the >> add-on. > > > Well, in theory, if you're writing your own app and have a spare IP > address, you could write the app to answer on port 12345 and configure > that IP address via iptables to listen on port 80 but forward internally > to your app on port 12345. Pretty simple redirection. What I have done in the past is use 'ssh -D' to create a local SOCKS proxy to tunnel to another machine running SSHD on port 993. There are weird latency effects involved in laying all your connections over a single TCP connection; better would be see if one can abuse TCP packets to a remote port 993 and treat it as UDP, and then do OpenVPN. (Or just see if you can do UDP on that network.) -- Asheesh. -- It's always sad when the fleas leave, because that means your dog is dead. -- Wesley T. Williams ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM Carrier
Or with a little more work you can make the entire thing transparent by setting up a VPN on one of those ports and just directing linux to route all traffic over the VPN. -Original Message- From: ian douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, Jul 3, 2008 3:25 pm Subject: Re: GSM Carrier To: List for Openmoko community discussion Reply-To: List for Openmoko community discussion Brad Pitcher wrote: That is exactly right. I thought I read about some work around for the port restriction, but I didn't dare to try it so I stuck with the add-on. Well, in theory, if you're writing your own app and have a spare IP address, you could write the app to answer on port 12345 and configure that IP address via iptables to listen on port 80 but forward internally to your app on port 12345. Pretty simple redirection. -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM Carrier
Brad Pitcher wrote: > That is exactly right. I thought I read about some work around for the > port restriction, but I didn't dare to try it so I stuck with the add-on. Well, in theory, if you're writing your own app and have a spare IP address, you could write the app to answer on port 12345 and configure that IP address via iptables to listen on port 80 but forward internally to your app on port 12345. Pretty simple redirection. -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM Carrier
That is exactly right. I thought I read about some work around for the port restriction, but I didn't dare to try it so I stuck with the add-on. Matt Luzum wrote: > Geoff Ruscoe wrote: > >> So with T-Mobile they have a web and email option for like $5 / month >> (which says unlimited), but then they also have an internet plan which >> is like $40 / month. Does anybody have these plans and will I be able >> to use the FreeRunner as a web device with the $5 plan? >> > > I don't have any first hand experience with T-Mobile data plans, but > this site might help you: > > http://wiki.howardforums.com/index.php/T-Mobile_Data > > It looks like the $5.99/month plan really is unlimited, but there are > port restrictions. The $19.99/month plan has no restrictions. These > are both add-ons for people with a voice plan. The more expensive plan > is a stand alone data plan. > > At least that's how I read it. Anyone who knows better feel free to > correct or expand. > > Matt > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM Carrier
Geoff Ruscoe wrote: > So with T-Mobile they have a web and email option for like $5 / month > (which says unlimited), but then they also have an internet plan which > is like $40 / month. Does anybody have these plans and will I be able > to use the FreeRunner as a web device with the $5 plan? I don't have any first hand experience with T-Mobile data plans, but this site might help you: http://wiki.howardforums.com/index.php/T-Mobile_Data It looks like the $5.99/month plan really is unlimited, but there are port restrictions. The $19.99/month plan has no restrictions. These are both add-ons for people with a voice plan. The more expensive plan is a stand alone data plan. At least that's how I read it. Anyone who knows better feel free to correct or expand. Matt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GSM Carrier
Okay so I started looking into the GSM carriers around here [U.S. / Spefically midwest] and basically it seems to me that our only _real_ options are T-Mobile and AT&T. So I looked into them and was wondering if anybody had any feedback on this. I've seen some other threads, but they didn't cover this exactly. So with T-Mobile they have a web and email option for like $5 / month (which says unlimited), but then they also have an internet plan which is like $40 / month. Does anybody have these plans and will I be able to use the FreeRunner as a web device with the $5 plan? Also do we have the ability to do SMS messages with the FreeRunner as shipped? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
