Re: GSM detection/identification
Matt Joyce wrote: The wiki has some interesting info on GSM : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsm The AT commands to interact with the hardware are here : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AT_Commands (I wonder if they are an extension of the earlier dial up modem commands ala Hayes?) here's how you use the commands: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsmd#Usage_of_shell_mode these command may work for you : r Register to network R Register to given operator (R=number) U Unregister from netowrk P Print current operator N Print current operator in numeric L List available operators Q Read signal quality nr Query network registration As I mentioned, I wanted to find all contactable sites, but didn't find a command for that. That was a huge help. What I need now is a way to pass commands from the cli and have it return values to the cli rather than operating in the shell. So then I can write a script to do it and log to a file. I want it to run while I drive around, so I don't have to stop on tap on the tiny keyboard. Any suggestions? I was able to do the following today, from home: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/log# libgsmd-tool -m shell libgsm-tool - (C) 2006-2007 by Harald Welte and OpenMoko, Inc. This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY L # # List operators 31026 T - Mobile, T - Mob for short, is our current operator 31056 Cellular One DC, Cell On for short, is available 31041 Cingular, Cingula for short, is available ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM detection/identification
Paul Buede wrote: Matt Joyce wrote: The wiki has some interesting info on GSM : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsm The AT commands to interact with the hardware are here : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AT_Commands (I wonder if they are an extension of the earlier dial up modem commands ala Hayes?) here's how you use the commands: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsmd#Usage_of_shell_mode these command may work for you : r Register to network R Register to given operator (R=number) U Unregister from netowrk P Print current operator N Print current operator in numeric L List available operators Q Read signal quality nr Query network registration As I mentioned, I wanted to find all contactable sites, but didn't find a command for that. That was a huge help. What I need now is a way to pass commands from the cli and have it return values to the cli rather than operating in the shell. So then I can write a script to do it and log to a file. I want it to run while I drive around, so I don't have to stop on tap on the tiny keyboard. Any suggestions? I was able to do the following today, from home: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/log# libgsmd-tool -m shell libgsm-tool - (C) 2006-2007 by Harald Welte and OpenMoko, Inc. This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY L # # List operators 31026 T - Mobile, T - Mob for short, is our current operator 31056 Cellular One DC, Cell On for short, is available 31041 Cingular, Cingula for short, is available ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I think you want is : For your operator echo -e AT+COPS\n | libgsmd-tool -m atcmd For availabel operators echo -e AT+COPS=?\n | libgsmd-tool -m atcmd Please report back if this helps. Matt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM detection/identification
Paul Buede wrote: Matt Joyce wrote: The wiki has some interesting info on GSM : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsm The AT commands to interact with the hardware are here : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AT_Commands (I wonder if they are an extension of the earlier dial up modem commands ala Hayes?) here's how you use the commands: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsmd#Usage_of_shell_mode these command may work for you : r Register to network R Register to given operator (R=number) U Unregister from netowrk P Print current operator N Print current operator in numeric L List available operators Q Read signal quality nr Query network registration As I mentioned, I wanted to find all contactable sites, but didn't find a command for that. That was a huge help. What I need now is a way to pass commands from the cli and have it return values to the cli rather than operating in the shell. So then I can write a script to do it and log to a file. I want it to run while I drive around, so I don't have to stop on tap on the tiny keyboard. Any suggestions? I was able to do the following today, from home: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/log# libgsmd-tool -m shell libgsm-tool - (C) 2006-2007 by Harald Welte and OpenMoko, Inc. This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY L # # List operators 31026 T - Mobile, T - Mob for short, is our current operator 31056 Cellular One DC, Cell On for short, is available 31041 Cingular, Cingula for short, is available So, I drove around and stopped, and everytime I had any reception at all, meaning the L gave me any carriers, it gave me the same three carriers. This modifies my initial theory, and leads to a new one. So, my new theory is that the SIM card is what allows the phone to see any carriers at all. And that the three operators I could see in my tests must all allow roaming on each others networks, which is why my T-Mobile SIM lets me see only those three. I should be able to see Verizon, US Cellular, and who knows what other operators from some of the places I tested, including my house. So, right now, I took the SIM card out, rebooted my phone, and am testing to see if I can see any carriers at all (doing this from home), and I see no carriers at all. In fact, here is the output: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# libgsmd-tool -m shell libgsm-tool - (C) 2006-2007 by Harald Welte and OpenMoko, Inc. This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY # cme error: 315 L # List operators Q # Signal strength EVENT: Netreg registration denied cme error: 32 EVENT: Signal Quality: 11 Signal quality -91 dBm Error rate undetectable EVENT: Signal Quality: 9 EVENT: Signal Quality: 11 EVENT: Signal Quality: 9 EVENT: Signal Quality: 11 EVENT: Signal Quality: 9 EVENT: Signal Quality: 11 # L List operators cme error: 13 So, I am disappointed. I am going to need SIM cards from other operators to test reception anywhere. This makes things harder, or at least slower, as I will have to remove SIM cards and insert new ones at any given area to test the various carriers. Does anyone else in the US use a carrier I have not listed as visible with T-Mobile? And would you be willing to test and see what other carriers you are able to see? Maybe we can build a list of carrier teams, for lack of a better term. I have 6 days left to back out of my TMobile contract, so I need to get SIM cards for testing quickly... Will let you all know how it goes. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM detection/identification
And that the three operators I could see in my tests must all allow roaming on each others networks, which is why my T-Mobile SIM lets me see only those three. I should be able to see Verizon, US Cellular, and who knows what other operators from some of the places I tested, including my house. I don't know why you'd ever expect to see CDMA carriers with a GSM phone. You won't see Verizon or US Cellular or Sprint. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM detection/identification
Paul, Sounds like what you want is to run the GSM radio in promiscuous mode, like some wireless Ethernet radios can do. My old Razr and the Iphone would do something like that. It won't tell you the carrier but it will list the available sites, with their ID and signal strength. There is a web page with all the site id's on it connected to google maps. Can't remember the address off the top of my head. If you could mash up the site ID's gathered from your phone to the web site Scott There might be an AT command to do just that. On my old razr Paul Buede wrote: Paul Buede wrote: Matt Joyce wrote: The wiki has some interesting info on GSM : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsm The AT commands to interact with the hardware are here : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AT_Commands (I wonder if they are an extension of the earlier dial up modem commands ala Hayes?) here's how you use the commands: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsmd#Usage_of_shell_mode these command may work for you : r Register to network R Register to given operator (R=number) U Unregister from netowrk P Print current operator N Print current operator in numeric L List available operators Q Read signal quality nr Query network registration As I mentioned, I wanted to find all contactable sites, but didn't find a command for that. That was a huge help. What I need now is a way to pass commands from the cli and have it return values to the cli rather than operating in the shell. So then I can write a script to do it and log to a file. I want it to run while I drive around, so I don't have to stop on tap on the tiny keyboard. Any suggestions? I was able to do the following today, from home: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/log# libgsmd-tool -m shell libgsm-tool - (C) 2006-2007 by Harald Welte and OpenMoko, Inc. This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY L # # List operators 31026 T - Mobile, T - Mob for short, is our current operator 31056 Cellular One DC, Cell On for short, is available 31041 Cingular, Cingula for short, is available So, I drove around and stopped, and everytime I had any reception at all, meaning the L gave me any carriers, it gave me the same three carriers. This modifies my initial theory, and leads to a new one. So, my new theory is that the SIM card is what allows the phone to see any carriers at all. And that the three operators I could see in my tests must all allow roaming on each others networks, which is why my T-Mobile SIM lets me see only those three. I should be able to see Verizon, US Cellular, and who knows what other operators from some of the places I tested, including my house. So, right now, I took the SIM card out, rebooted my phone, and am testing to see if I can see any carriers at all (doing this from home), and I see no carriers at all. In fact, here is the output: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# libgsmd-tool -m shell libgsm-tool - (C) 2006-2007 by Harald Welte and OpenMoko, Inc. This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY # cme error: 315 L # List operators Q # Signal strength EVENT: Netreg registration denied cme error: 32 EVENT: Signal Quality: 11 Signal quality -91 dBm Error rate undetectable EVENT: Signal Quality: 9 EVENT: Signal Quality: 11 EVENT: Signal Quality: 9 EVENT: Signal Quality: 11 EVENT: Signal Quality: 9 EVENT: Signal Quality: 11 # L List operators cme error: 13 So, I am disappointed. I am going to need SIM cards from other operators to test reception anywhere. This makes things harder, or at least slower, as I will have to remove SIM cards and insert new ones at any given area to test the various carriers. Does anyone else in the US use a carrier I have not listed as visible with T-Mobile? And would you be willing to test and see what other carriers you are able to see? Maybe we can build a list of carrier teams, for lack of a better term. I have 6 days left to back out of my TMobile contract, so I need to get SIM cards for testing quickly... Will let you all know how it goes. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM detection/identification
Steven Kurylo wrote: And that the three operators I could see in my tests must all allow roaming on each others networks, which is why my T-Mobile SIM lets me see only those three. I should be able to see Verizon, US Cellular, and who knows what other operators from some of the places I tested, including my house. I don't know why you'd ever expect to see CDMA carriers with a GSM phone. You won't see Verizon or US Cellular or Sprint. Oh, I guess I thought Verizon did GSM as well as CDMA. I also expected US Cellular to do GSM too, guess I was wrong. So then, I guess it doesn't really matter what carrier I go with if they all have the same coverage.. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM detection/identification
Paul Buede [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I need now is a way to pass commands from the cli and have it return values to the cli rather than operating in the shell. What you want is a non interactive interface to the gsm daemon and I'm very surprised it's not implemented this way. -- Esben Stien is [EMAIL PROTECTED] s a http://www. s tn m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@n n ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM detection/identification
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Esben Stien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Buede [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I need now is a way to pass commands from the cli and have it return values to the cli rather than operating in the shell. What you want is a non interactive interface to the gsm daemon and I'm very surprised it's not implemented this way. `libgsmd-tool -m atcmd` outputs results to stdout. (tested on 2007.2) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM detection/identification
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 09:57:01PM -0400, Paul Buede wrote: Dimitri wrote: Are you able to make and receive calls? If not, perhaps the sim isn't touching all the phone's connections. At least, that's the problem I had when I tried to connect to ATT. It would show that I had 5 bars, but it would always say Registering I was able to wiggle the sim a little, reboot the phone, and have it properly connect to the ATT network (i.e., it changed from Registering... to ATT and I was able to make/receive calls and text messages). D Paul Buede wrote: So, I picked up a tmobile sim, and signed up with them (I have another week to cancel), and so the phone registers with tmobile. I am finding the coverage isn't great in the rural areas I find myself. When driving around, if out of reach of tmobile, it will say registering as if there is no sim card. But, on the little image of the antenna, that shows how strong my connection is, I still have 2 bars. Is that a bad guage of connectivity? Is it wrong? Or does that maybe tell me that it has 2 bars of strength with some sort of other gsm network? Is there a way I can query the phone from the cli to have it show me the different carriers it can sense network for? I am interested in running a little cron to pipe all carriers it detects into a file every minute as I drive around the countryside, so I can see who i will get the best coverage with. Thanks Yes, I am able to make and receive calls when it reads T-Mobile in the upper left. But then, as I get further away from civilization it switches to Registering, but a bar or two remain in the upper right. Hmm. Has anyone ported Kismet to the OpenMoko yet? Also, has anyone created a GSM Kismet, or some kind of tool that will list all carriers and their relative signal strengths. Since the phone has a built in GPS, it seems like it would be the absolutely ideal Kismet platform, and also for something similar to map cell phone signal strength and coverage. With GPRS, it could also upload that coverage data to a public site somewhere and create nice interactive maps. Could be helpful for people choosing which carrier to use: you could see who's got what coverage where in places that you commonly travel to, live in, and work in. The carriers would hate it, but so what. The people might find it useful. -ken ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM detection/identification. Kismet on Freerunner
On 31 Jul 2008, at 09:31, Ken Restivo wrote: ... Hmm. Has anyone ported Kismet to the OpenMoko yet? ... Since the phone has a built in GPS, it seems like it would be the absolutely ideal Kismet platform, and also for something similar to map cell phone signal strength and coverage. Hi there, I don't think the Freerunner's wifi driver (chip firmware?) will do passive mode. I think you may be able to run Kismet without this, but if so it is MUCH less useful. Also, has anyone created a GSM Kismet, or some kind of tool that will list all carriers and their relative signal strengths. ... With GPRS, it could also upload that coverage data to a public site somewhere and create nice interactive maps. Could be helpful for people choosing which carrier to use: you could see who's got what coverage where in places that you commonly travel to, live in, and work in. I think this idea was suggested a while ago, with some positive responses. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM detection/identification
ian douglas wrote: Paul Buede wrote: the coverage isn't great in the rural areas I find myself. When driving around, if out of reach of tmobile, it will say registering as if there is no sim card. But, on the little image of the antenna, that shows how strong my connection is, I still have 2 bars. Is that a bad guage of connectivity? As far as I recall, TMobile only uses the higher-frequency band, (1800 or 1900? I can never remember), and probably won't drop down to the 850MHz band unless they've signed an agreement with ATT to piggyback on their lower-frequency network in the rural areas where you've been. -id Anybody else know what I can query or run to view available cell carriers at any given time? Is this even possible? Correct me if I am wrong, I am kind of making this up to try and figure out how it works: Phone with no SIM card listens and transmits on given frequency, in Neo's case its 1800/1900 and 850 in the US. I assume it can see all the various cell carriers, but cannot register until it has the SIM card, which acts as a key, maybe analogous to a public key? Once it has that, it can register with the provider, and the provider queries its systems to see if the SIM has an account associated, and if so what level of service is associated with the SIM. Under my completely made up scenario, without a SIM I ought to be able to see the various carriers who respond to queries, but who I cannot register with, due to my lack of their public key (probably a bad analogy, but its all I have right now). Thanks, and please enlighten me. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM detection/identification
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Paul Buede [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody else know what I can query or run to view available cell carriers at any given time? Is this even possible? Correct me if I am wrong, I am kind of making this up to try and figure out how it works: I had a play last night, I was trying to find out what towers were contactable. I wasn't successful, but you might be with your investigations. The wiki has some interesting info on GSM : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsm The AT commands to interact with the hardware are here : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AT_Commands (I wonder if they are an extension of the earlier dial up modem commands ala Hayes?) here's how you use the commands: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsmd#Usage_of_shell_mode these command may work for you : r Register to network R Register to given operator (R=number) U Unregister from netowrk P Print current operator N Print current operator in numeric L List available operators Q Read signal quality nr Query network registration As I mentioned, I wanted to find all contactable sites, but didn't find a command for that. Regards Matt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GSM detection/identification
So, I picked up a tmobile sim, and signed up with them (I have another week to cancel), and so the phone registers with tmobile. I am finding the coverage isn't great in the rural areas I find myself. When driving around, if out of reach of tmobile, it will say registering as if there is no sim card. But, on the little image of the antenna, that shows how strong my connection is, I still have 2 bars. Is that a bad guage of connectivity? Is it wrong? Or does that maybe tell me that it has 2 bars of strength with some sort of other gsm network? Is there a way I can query the phone from the cli to have it show me the different carriers it can sense network for? I am interested in running a little cron to pipe all carriers it detects into a file every minute as I drive around the countryside, so I can see who i will get the best coverage with. Thanks ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM detection/identification
Paul Buede wrote: the coverage isn't great in the rural areas I find myself. When driving around, if out of reach of tmobile, it will say registering as if there is no sim card. But, on the little image of the antenna, that shows how strong my connection is, I still have 2 bars. Is that a bad guage of connectivity? As far as I recall, TMobile only uses the higher-frequency band, (1800 or 1900? I can never remember), and probably won't drop down to the 850MHz band unless they've signed an agreement with ATT to piggyback on their lower-frequency network in the rural areas where you've been. -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM detection/identification
Are you able to make and receive calls? If not, perhaps the sim isn't touching all the phone's connections. At least, that's the problem I had when I tried to connect to ATT. It would show that I had 5 bars, but it would always say Registering I was able to wiggle the sim a little, reboot the phone, and have it properly connect to the ATT network (i.e., it changed from Registering... to ATT and I was able to make/receive calls and text messages). D Paul Buede wrote: So, I picked up a tmobile sim, and signed up with them (I have another week to cancel), and so the phone registers with tmobile. I am finding the coverage isn't great in the rural areas I find myself. When driving around, if out of reach of tmobile, it will say registering as if there is no sim card. But, on the little image of the antenna, that shows how strong my connection is, I still have 2 bars. Is that a bad guage of connectivity? Is it wrong? Or does that maybe tell me that it has 2 bars of strength with some sort of other gsm network? Is there a way I can query the phone from the cli to have it show me the different carriers it can sense network for? I am interested in running a little cron to pipe all carriers it detects into a file every minute as I drive around the countryside, so I can see who i will get the best coverage with. Thanks -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/GSM-detection-identification-tp640786p640891.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM detection/identification
Paul, I inexperience the same behavior on the ATT(850 1900) network. When the signal drops below a certain level on the left is says registering on the right the signal icon indicates some bogus value.. I think there is an update issue with the icon, and the message for no service, registering.. doesn't make a lot of sense either. If you bring up the gsm/status dialog sometimes it will provide a saner reason for no connection, but then sometimes its message is bogus to.. Scott ian douglas wrote: Paul Buede wrote: the coverage isn't great in the rural areas I find myself. When driving around, if out of reach of tmobile, it will say registering as if there is no sim card. But, on the little image of the antenna, that shows how strong my connection is, I still have 2 bars. Is that a bad guage of connectivity? As far as I recall, TMobile only uses the higher-frequency band, (1800 or 1900? I can never remember), and probably won't drop down to the 850MHz band unless they've signed an agreement with ATT to piggyback on their lower-frequency network in the rural areas where you've been. -id signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
