Re: Money makes the world go round? Yes: new paid developer program for OpenPhoenux/Goldelico
Am 10.07.2012 um 16:33 schrieb rakshat hooja: On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote: On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 01:14:26 PM Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: The idea is that there is a mailing list where we (the project leading team) propose subtasks needing development (e.g. camera driver, bug fixing etc.) and interested developers can also make proposals what they could offer. We did something similar for the freerunner with cofundus. I can't seem to fing the website now. Maybe it wound down. I guess a wiki page with bounty offers would serve a similar purpose. We did have that, but IMHO failed. To my surprise there were more offers for bounties (even free GTA04 boards) than developers willing to do something. Maybe a bounty of 50/100 bucks doesn't attract anyone these days? Therefore, we now start the other way round. Find people first who generally want to work for the projects. This is what the developer network is for. So if you know anyone who wants to do software (or maybe some hardware) development, please invite them subscribe to the developer-network list. So that we can contact them directly when we need them (sending an e-mail through a list is better than just posting on a wiki and waiting for people to walk by). And they can say what the conditions are, that they really commit themselves to do something. This all has the positive side-effect that we get more developers from outside interested in this community. Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Money makes the world go round? Yes: new paid developer program for OpenPhoenux/Goldelico
2012/7/11 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com: We did have that, but IMHO failed. To my surprise there were more offers for bounties (even free GTA04 boards) than developers willing to do something. Maybe a bounty of 50/100 bucks doesn't attract anyone these days? If 50/100 bucks doesn't attract anyone, maybe 500/1000 could. I thought about using a reward offering page for each feature or bug important for some people. Do you have a bugtracker or something to track those ? Maybe we could add a plugin for people to offer bounties on specific tickets and for dev to see how much people want them fixed and what they can earn by stepping in. Maybe I can help finding/writing such a plugin (depending of the language used) Of course, that is just useful when we have some dev around. I, myself, won't step in as I don't have much time, and enough skill to work on GTA04 even if I had some money to buy one. Hardware/embedded development is somewhat harder than just software development. Good luck with this project. And thank you for your work. -- Christophe. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Money makes the world go round? Yes: new paid developer program for OpenPhoenux/Goldelico
As a professional full time employed software developer (in Australia), I am on around 300AU a day, I can't see the incentive scheme working ... sorry On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Christophe Drevet christophe.dre...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/7/11 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com: We did have that, but IMHO failed. To my surprise there were more offers for bounties (even free GTA04 boards) than developers willing to do something. Maybe a bounty of 50/100 bucks doesn't attract anyone these days? If 50/100 bucks doesn't attract anyone, maybe 500/1000 could. I thought about using a reward offering page for each feature or bug important for some people. Do you have a bugtracker or something to track those ? Maybe we could add a plugin for people to offer bounties on specific tickets and for dev to see how much people want them fixed and what they can earn by stepping in. Maybe I can help finding/writing such a plugin (depending of the language used) Of course, that is just useful when we have some dev around. I, myself, won't step in as I don't have much time, and enough skill to work on GTA04 even if I had some money to buy one. Hardware/embedded development is somewhat harder than just software development. Good luck with this project. And thank you for your work. -- Christophe. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Money makes the world go round? Yes: new paid developer program for OpenPhoenux/Goldelico
Maybe not as a replacement for someones income, but I am very interested in the competitive aspect of having bounties and completing the tasks. It's a lot like reputation points on the websites like http://stackoverflow.com/ having actual money compensation is a great incentive IMHO. -Jason On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 8:11 AM, Dave dave...@gmail.com wrote: As a professional full time employed software developer (in Australia), I am on around 300AU a day, I can't see the incentive scheme working ... sorry On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Christophe Drevet christophe.dre...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/7/11 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com: We did have that, but IMHO failed. To my surprise there were more offers for bounties (even free GTA04 boards) than developers willing to do something. Maybe a bounty of 50/100 bucks doesn't attract anyone these days? If 50/100 bucks doesn't attract anyone, maybe 500/1000 could. I thought about using a reward offering page for each feature or bug important for some people. Do you have a bugtracker or something to track those ? Maybe we could add a plugin for people to offer bounties on specific tickets and for dev to see how much people want them fixed and what they can earn by stepping in. Maybe I can help finding/writing such a plugin (depending of the language used) Of course, that is just useful when we have some dev around. I, myself, won't step in as I don't have much time, and enough skill to work on GTA04 even if I had some money to buy one. Hardware/embedded development is somewhat harder than just software development. Good luck with this project. And thank you for your work. -- Christophe. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Money makes the world go round? Yes: new paid developer program for OpenPhoenux/Goldelico
if we look at the steadily growing number of applications initiated e.g. by the iOS developer program and compare it to our OpenPhoenux, there is obviously some fundamental factor driving one and missing in the other... Thousands of students and developers are subscribing to such programs for one reason: it opens an opportunity to earn some money. While pure FLOSS projects have no such direct return. Well, FLOSS is a lot of fun, gives reputation and knowledge, but if you can get additional benefits through such programs, the choice is obvious. Especially in times where it is no longer for sure that one has a paid full-time job + enough spare time for volunteer work. Since money and freedom are not antagonists (free as in free speech and not in free beer), I think we should try to combine both to the benefit of our OpenPhoenux project. The first step is to create a program [1] where developers (and other contributors) can subscribe who are interested in getting some money as compensation for non-volunteer (i.e. directed with clear targets, deliverables and deadlines) work. So that we know them and their expertise areas and levels. The idea is that there is a mailing list where we (the project leading team) propose subtasks needing development (e.g. camera driver, bug fixing etc.) and interested developers can also make proposals what they could offer. The rough idea is to resemble a permantently installed GSoC that is not limited to students. Or e.g. the Linux kernel and other FLOSS projects where companies send employees to contribute. But there may also be non-software tasks to be done, e.g. hardware development, marketing etc. Where does the money come from? The plan is that it comes from some % of the hardware sales of OpenPhoenux devices (as soon as the fundamental production problems are vanquished). And from donations. Currently there isn't very much honey in pot, but it is not completely empty (thanks to some donations). So the more OpenPhoenux devices are sold, the more money becomes available for the developer program. This makes the OpenPhoenux better and better and more attractive to new users who buy devices - forming a positive feedback loop. So this is just a start of the idea and the details may be refined in the future based on the experiences we make in this process. Nikolaus PS: this is not limited to future devices but also for new developments for the GTA01/GTA02 which we think as part of the OpenPhoenux family. [1]: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/openphoenux/page/PaidDeveloper/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Money makes the world go round? Yes: new paid developer program for OpenPhoenux/Goldelico
On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 01:14:26 PM Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: The idea is that there is a mailing list where we (the project leading team) propose subtasks needing development (e.g. camera driver, bug fixing etc.) and interested developers can also make proposals what they could offer. I can donate money for project that makes GTA04 spend less mA in suspend. It would be nice if we could get where Freerunner is now, it would be great to consume even less. My offer is 50EUR for getting GTA04 to consume below 15 mA in suspend, 100EUR for going below 10mA. Maybe we can put the project list and offers to the PaidDeveloper wiki page? Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Money makes the world go round? Yes: new paid developer program for OpenPhoenux/Goldelico
Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz writes: My offer is 50EUR for getting GTA04 to consume below 15 mA in suspend, 100EUR for going below 10mA. So GSM enabled but everything else powered down and CPU in suspend? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Money makes the world go round? Yes: new paid developer program for OpenPhoenux/Goldelico
On Tue, 10 Jul 2012, Radek Polak wrote: On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 01:14:26 PM Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: The idea is that there is a mailing list where we (the project leading team) propose subtasks needing development (e.g. camera driver, bug fixing etc.) and interested developers can also make proposals what they could offer. I can donate money for project that makes GTA04 spend less mA in suspend. It would be nice if we could get where Freerunner is now, it would be great to consume even less. My offer is 50EUR for getting GTA04 to consume below 15 mA in suspend, 100EUR for going below 10mA. Good idea - I would give another 50/100 EUR for this. A. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Money makes the world go round? Yes: new paid developer program for OpenPhoenux/Goldelico
On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 03:01:02 PM Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz writes: My offer is 50EUR for getting GTA04 to consume below 15 mA in suspend, 100EUR for going below 10mA. So GSM enabled but everything else powered down and CPU in suspend? Exactly. It would be even more cool if CPU was on... Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Money makes the world go round? Yes: new paid developer program for OpenPhoenux/Goldelico
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote: On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 01:14:26 PM Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: The idea is that there is a mailing list where we (the project leading team) propose subtasks needing development (e.g. camera driver, bug fixing etc.) and interested developers can also make proposals what they could offer. We did something similar for the freerunner with cofundus. I can't seem to fing the website now. Maybe it wound down. I guess a wiki page with bounty offers would serve a similar purpose. Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Money makes the world go round? Yes: new paid developer program for OpenPhoenux/Goldelico
On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 14:53:40 +0200 Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote: On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 01:14:26 PM Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: The idea is that there is a mailing list where we (the project leading team) propose subtasks needing development (e.g. camera driver, bug fixing etc.) and interested developers can also make proposals what they could offer. I can donate money for project that makes GTA04 spend less mA in suspend. It would be nice if we could get where Freerunner is now, it would be great to consume even less. My offer is 50EUR for getting GTA04 to consume below 15 mA in suspend, 100EUR for going below 10mA. If anyone want to look into this, the place to start is 'off_mode'. /sys/kernel/debug/enable_off_mode I think I've tried enabling that before and something didn't work - don't remember the details. Then you need to be sure that the 'off_mode' signalling between CPU and PMIC (the twl4030) is working. There is a output pin on the OMAP which indicates when it is in off_mode (sys_off_mode), and an input pin on the PMIC which handles that signal. When I last looked into this, I concluded that the default polarity of the two pins were different, or maybe one was edge-triggered and the other was level based. Or something. But I might have been wrong. Then you need to set up some power-management scripts in the twl4030 to turn regulators off when in off-mode, and back on again for resume. NeilBrown signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
