Re: Neopwn
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didier Raboud wrote: Russell Hay wrote: I'm assuming they're not intending to release the full code? Certainly cant see any mentions of license or downloads on their site. Formally, they only have to release the source code to their buyers... ... and then that buyer can release it publicly for everyone else under the terms of the GPL. Who's going to volunteer to buy one? [In reality, I'm expecting they will make the source code available at the same time they start shipping their first units. A security testing system without source code available for security review would not fly with most people ...] So far they've either redirected or ignored my requests for their custom kernel changes. They also claim all of the source code for the security apps can be downloaded from their software page. Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neopwn
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 3:05 AM, Angus Ainslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didier Raboud wrote: Russell Hay wrote: I'm assuming they're not intending to release the full code? Certainly cant see any mentions of license or downloads on their site. Formally, they only have to release the source code to their buyers... ... and then that buyer can release it publicly for everyone else under the terms of the GPL. Who's going to volunteer to buy one? [In reality, I'm expecting they will make the source code available at the same time they start shipping their first units. A security testing system without source code available for security review would not fly with most people ...] So far they've either redirected or ignored my requests for their custom kernel changes. They also claim all of the source code for the security apps can be downloaded from their software page. Their software page provides links to the upstream homepages. This is not sufficient to comply with GPL requirements. Under GPLv2, and possibly GPL v3, you must distribute all source code yourself, whether or not it has been modified. You cannot rely solely upon upstream source. A quick look for references on the FSF website has not revealed the relevant info, but this issue bit MEPIS back in 2006 and had widespread media coverage: http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS4218186268.html -- Andrew ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neopwn
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Andrew Stephen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] A quick look for references on the FSF website has not revealed the relevant info, but this issue bit MEPIS back in 2006 and had widespread media coverage: http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS4218186268.html An official reference for this interpretation: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#SourceAndBinaryOnDifferentSites -- Andrew Stephen http://www.evil.geek.nz/ It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious. - Oscar Wilde ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neopwn
Angus Ainslie wrote: On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didier Raboud wrote: Russell Hay wrote: I'm assuming they're not intending to release the full code? Certainly cant see any mentions of license or downloads on their site. Formally, they only have to release the source code to their buyers... ... and then that buyer can release it publicly for everyone else under the terms of the GPL. Who's going to volunteer to buy one? [In reality, I'm expecting they will make the source code available at the same time they start shipping their first units. A security testing system without source code available for security review would not fly with most people ...] So far they've either redirected or ignored my requests for their custom kernel changes. They also claim all of the source code for the security apps can be downloaded from their software page. Did you purchase a device from them? The GPL does not require source code availability to just anyone who wants it - the distributor only needs to provide it to those people to whom they distribute the binary. I agree that a good open source citizen should provide the source publicly as soon as it is available (i.e. even before the binary is distributed), but the GPL simply doesn't require that so you can't demand that. -- Rod ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neopwn
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 6:09 PM, Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you purchase a device from them? The GPL does not require source code availability to just anyone who wants it - the distributor only needs to provide it to those people to whom they distribute the binary. I agree that a good open source citizen should provide the source publicly as soon as it is available (i.e. even before the binary is distributed), but the GPL simply doesn't require that so you can't demand that. I didn't purchase anything from them but I did ask very politely for their changes. I think it does show the true colours of a company that isn't willing to return its changes to the general public. Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neopwn
2008/9/22 Joseph Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm sure others have seen the Slashdot article, but in case you haven't: http://mobile.slashdot.org/mobile/08/09/21/1730256.shtml I'm just looking forward to being able to download the code to run on one of my phones :) i did. the most interesting thing for me, was the addition of a USB OTG device, hosted on the freerunner's usb port. a nice, if slightly bulky, way of providing automatic host-mode switching ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neopwn
I'm assuming they're not intending to release the full code? Certainly cant see any mentions of license or downloads on their site. 2008/9/22 Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008/9/22 Joseph Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm sure others have seen the Slashdot article, but in case you haven't: did. the most interesting thing for me, was the addition of a USB OTG device, hosted on the freerunner's usb port. a nice, if slightly bulky, way of providing automatic host-mode switching http://mobile.slashdot.org/mobile/08/09/21/1730256.shtml I'm just looking forward to being able to download the code to run on one of my phones :) i did. the most interesting thing for me, was the addition of a USB OTG device, hosted on the freerunner's usb port. a nice, if slightly bulky, way of providing automatic host-mode switching ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Russ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neopwn
Russell Hay wrote: I'm assuming they're not intending to release the full code? Certainly cant see any mentions of license or downloads on their site. Formally, they only have to release the source code to their buyers... -- Swisslinux.org − Le carrefour GNU/Linux en Suisse − http://www.swisslinux.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neopwn
Didier Raboud wrote: Russell Hay wrote: I'm assuming they're not intending to release the full code? Certainly cant see any mentions of license or downloads on their site. Formally, they only have to release the source code to their buyers... ... and then that buyer can release it publicly for everyone else under the terms of the GPL. Who's going to volunteer to buy one? [In reality, I'm expecting they will make the source code available at the same time they start shipping their first units. A security testing system without source code available for security review would not fly with most people ...] One thing they don't specify is whether the hardware is 850MHz (USA) or 900MHz (rest of world). -- Rod ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Neopwn
I'm sure others have seen the Slashdot article, but in case you haven't: http://mobile.slashdot.org/mobile/08/09/21/1730256.shtml I'm just looking forward to being able to download the code to run on one of my phones :) Joseph ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
