Re: New looker where to start?
Tim Milliken wrote: I am looking into joining in on this project. Welcome aboard! Welcome aboard! I am a windows programmer and know almost nothing about Linux. Where should I start? Can anyone give me some starting points on getting started. Like do I have to be running Linux as a host development OS? While it is in theory possible to develop on other *NIX-like OSes than Linux (such as BSD), I believe it would be a major amount of work. Doing so on Windows is probably beyond the capabilities of most individuals. I am really lost but very interested in this. I have thought about running Win CE 6.0 sine it is kinda like and opensource, MS now includes the all the source for 6.0. Really? Allow me to ask a rhetorical question: Where can I download the complete source of Wince without paying anything, without signing anything and without confirming any license agreement? If I can't, it is not anything like open source. :-) Seriously, there is no reason you could not run another OS (like Wince), but you should not expect people on this list to divert from what they're doing to help you. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
New looker where to start?
I am looking into joining in on this project. I am a windows programmer and know almost nothing about Linux. Where should I start? Can anyone give me some starting points on getting started. Like do I have to be running Linux as a host development OS? I am really lost but very interested in this. I have thought about running Win CE 6.0 sine it is kinda like and opensource, MS now includes the all the source for 6.0. Thanks in advance, Tim Milliken ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New looker where to start?
Well, then we have luck that you do not define what open source is :) There's a official definition of open source: http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd Thanks to all guys in the whole open source scene. 2007/8/3, wim delvaux [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Friday 03 August 2007 17:14:36 Ian Darwin wrote: Tim Milliken wrote: I am looking into joining in on this project. Welcome aboard! Welcome aboard! I am a windows programmer and know almost nothing about Linux. Where should I start? Can anyone give me some starting points on getting started. Like do I have to be running Linux as a host development OS? While it is in theory possible to develop on other *NIX-like OSes than Linux (such as BSD), I believe it would be a major amount of work. Doing so on Windows is probably beyond the capabilities of most individuals. I am really lost but very interested in this. I have thought about running Win CE 6.0 sine it is kinda like and opensource, MS now includes the all the source for 6.0. Really? Allow me to ask a rhetorical question: Where can I download the complete source of Wince without paying anything, without signing anything and without confirming any license agreement? If I can't, it is not anything like open source. :-) well for me 'open source' does not mean GPL. 'Open source' for me means the source is available to you and you can modify it but it does not give you the right to do what you want with it. GPL that is another story. It allows you to explicitely do what you want with it (to some extent) Mind you IANAL Seriously, there is no reason you could not run another OS (like Wince), but you should not expect people on this list to divert from what they're doing to help you. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New looker where to start?
Not to belabor the point, but I disagree: wim delvaux wrote: well for me 'open source' does not mean GPL. 'Open source' for me means the source is available to you and you can modify it but it does not give you the right to do what you want with it. GPL that is another story. It allows you to explicitely do what you want with it (to some extent) Open Source is a term that's been hijacked by many commercial entities that do not adhere to the definition. For the Open Source Definition, see here: http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd ... this is from the Open Source Initiative, which was started by Eric Raymond (who coined the phrase open source) and a bunch of others who thought that the main point of having free software was that it resulted in better software, as opposed to the FSF's main aim to spread freedom. The first criteria in the open source definition is Free Redistribution. If software isn't freely redistributable, it's not open source. Lots of companies are hijacking the term to mean what Wim is saying, but doing so makes it harder to tell what is really open source. While there are many open source licenses that are not the GPL, all of them allow free redistribution. For a list of OSI-approved open source licenses, see here: http://www.opensource.org/licenses/alphabetical . The main thing that sets the GPL apart from other open source licenses is that it prevents people from closing the code, makes it so if you create derivative software of GPL'd code, you can't restrict the people you give/sell/provide the code to from redistributing it under the GPL, and you must provide them with source code. Other open source licenses like the Apache or BSD licenses can be used in commercial, closed software without any need to provide source code or rights to further distribute. Cheers, -- John Locke Open Source Solutions for Small Business Problems published by Charles River Media, June 2004 http://www.freelock.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
