Re: Not just a phone
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RE: Not just a phone
like so http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2008/07/when_is_a_phone.ht ml _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of doron Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 6:44 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Cc: Michael Shiloh Subject: Re: Not just a phone Hi Michael / all, Sorry for my late response. I think that innovation is the big and the first challenge that the Openmoko and the community have. After 35 years of property industry (the cellular industry) it is easy to talk about innovation but it is not easy to be innovative - we all have some "imagination blocking". To be innovative the first thing to do is define what is the FreeRunner device. some of us talk about "phone" or "cellphone", my Freerunner is not phone or cellphone. as far as I know cellphones have a limited OS with a limited functionality, I didn't see any of those in my Freerunner (it use cellular network) . It's also not a "smart phone", smartphones is a phone that the manufacturer add it some extra functionality, smartphone was plan to be an extension of my computer, but my smartphone did't do it, the reason is the limitation of the property software. Basically, the manufacturer defined what is the extensions - and thats all. so, my Freerunner is not a cellphone and is not a smartphone and it definitely not a pda . It is a personal communication device (or center) that connecting my with the rest of the world, on the other side it is an extension of my computer. so basically, I am looking for a new ways to connect me to the world from one side and from the other side I am looking for a new way to connect with my computer. for example, we can check what is the blackberry. Rim, didn't build a new way to communicate, they just think different and build a device that use a regular tools to connect me to the world - this is innovation of the connection process between people based on regular tools. I don't know what's about your freerunner - but I want that my freerunner will be more then that. but, first of all, we need to think different. location aware services - it easy .. voip - also easy (etc) - all this services and tools it's great (must to have)(and of course, we can improve this services for better live), but I hope that we can do more then that , I think that this is the real challenge. also, I hope that the next hardware version have a bigger screen (I need to communicate with the device ) and a wimax chip ..it will make my life easier. :-) - doron Michael Shiloh wrote: Peter, your email below is the one I've been trying to write for the past few months. Like you, what got me excited about this project was NOT the possibility of building better cellphone applications, but rather the possibility of creating radically new uses for a general purpose, location aware, connected handheld computer. I'd like a phone that syncs seamlessly with Thunderbird and the rest of my Linux workstyle. But what really turns me on is the potential uses that I can't even imagine yet. It is that innovation that I hope to see come out of this community, and I hope that in some way I can help make it happen. Michael Peter Harrison wrote: I wouldn't focus on the age of the hardware at all. The real question is whether this will be a hardware platform that others will be able to build innovation on top of. With phone companies making available only applications which earn them money you have not really seen the same kind of innovation that we saw in the PC space in the early 90's. It will no doubt be a success in its own right, but what about other ideas... * IP phone over Wifi and integrate with Asterisk IP phone systems - changes to GSM outside the office. * In car navigation system. * Low cost taxi fare system. * Courier driver system that minimizes route time and allows dispatch to communicate. * Robotic platform and robotic control * Hospitals - used by nurses and doctors for prescriptions and observations as low cost tablet. The Neo could open up hundreds of vertical market opportunities that the Telco's currently have no interest in tapping. If you think that the Neo is simply a different kind of iPhone you are missing the point. Many applications may use GPRS, but may not even implement phone functionality. Some may not even use GSM. To me the attraction is that it has been designed from the ground up to run Linux, and there is a dedicated team working on the frameworks that will make delivery of these applications possible. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community _
Re: Not just a phone
Hi Michael / all, Sorry for my late response. I think that innovation is the big and the first challenge that the Openmoko and the community have. After 35 years of property industry (the cellular industry) it is easy to talk about innovation but it is not easy to be innovative - we all have some "imagination blocking". To be innovative the first thing to do is define what is the FreeRunner device. some of us talk about "phone" or "cellphone", my Freerunner is not phone or cellphone. as far as I know cellphones have a limited OS with a limited functionality, I didn't see any of those in my Freerunner (it use cellular network) . It's also not a "smart phone", smartphones is a phone that the manufacturer add it some extra functionality, smartphone was plan to be an extension of my computer, but my smartphone did't do it, the reason is the limitation of the property software. Basically, the manufacturer defined what is the extensions - and thats all. so, my Freerunner is not a cellphone and is not a smartphone and it definitely not a pda . It is a personal communication device (or center) that connecting my with the rest of the world, on the other side it is an extension of my computer. so basically, I am looking for a new ways to connect me to the world from one side and from the other side I am looking for a new way to connect with my computer. for example, we can check what is the blackberry. Rim, didn't build a new way to communicate, they just think different and build a device that use a regular tools to connect me to the world - this is innovation of the connection process between people based on regular tools. I don't know what's about your freerunner - but I want that my freerunner will be more then that. but, first of all, we need to think different. location aware services - it easy .. voip - also easy (etc) - all this services and tools it's great (must to have)(and of course, we can improve this services for better live), but I hope that we can do more then that , I think that this is the real challenge. also, I hope that the next hardware version have a bigger screen (I need to communicate with the device ) and a wimax chip ..it will make my life easier. :-) - doron Michael Shiloh wrote: Peter, your email below is the one I've been trying to write for the past few months. Like you, what got me excited about this project was NOT the possibility of building better cellphone applications, but rather the possibility of creating radically new uses for a general purpose, location aware, connected handheld computer. I'd like a phone that syncs seamlessly with Thunderbird and the rest of my Linux workstyle. But what really turns me on is the potential uses that I can't even imagine yet. It is that innovation that I hope to see come out of this community, and I hope that in some way I can help make it happen. Michael Peter Harrison wrote: I wouldn't focus on the age of the hardware at all. The real question is whether this will be a hardware platform that others will be able to build innovation on top of. With phone companies making available only applications which earn them money you have not really seen the same kind of innovation that we saw in the PC space in the early 90's. It will no doubt be a success in its own right, but what about other ideas... * IP phone over Wifi and integrate with Asterisk IP phone systems - changes to GSM outside the office. * In car navigation system. * Low cost taxi fare system. * Courier driver system that minimizes route time and allows dispatch to communicate. * Robotic platform and robotic control * Hospitals - used by nurses and doctors for prescriptions and observations as low cost tablet. The Neo could open up hundreds of vertical market opportunities that the Telco's currently have no interest in tapping. If you think that the Neo is simply a different kind of iPhone you are missing the point. Many applications may use GPRS, but may not even implement phone functionality. Some may not even use GSM. To me the attraction is that it has been designed from the ground up to run Linux, and there is a dedicated team working on the frameworks that will make delivery of these applications possible. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Not just a phone
Good, good. Keep those ideas coming, and I encourage you all to think way outside the traditional box of cellphone applications. Michael Jay Vaughan wrote: >> Let's see more crazy/interesting ideas! > > > As soon as we've got voice-recognition onboard, we can use it to > automate such things as adding credit to the cell account. I thought > about this on the drive in to work today - wouldn't it be nice to be > able to 'train' a phone to navigate through a voice-response system, > and do all the navigation for you automatically? > > ; > -- > Jay Vaughan > > > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Not just a phone
> Let's see more crazy/interesting ideas! As soon as we've got voice-recognition onboard, we can use it to automate such things as adding credit to the cell account. I thought about this on the drive in to work today - wouldn't it be nice to be able to 'train' a phone to navigate through a voice-response system, and do all the navigation for you automatically? ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Not just a phone
Once we all have such data collected, google could probably offer to publish it... They already do so for their own car fleet : http://www.google.org/recharge/dashboard Of course, not so many people are ready to publish such private data !! About crazy ideas... the same thing could also be done for yourself... monitoring heart rate, walk speed, cerebral activity, >> On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Excellent. I look forward to blogging about your setup. Please keep >>> me/us informed. >>> >>> One fun thing to do: send this data to a web server, and plot it (using >>> GPS) on a map showing your current consumption as a function of location? >>> >>> Steven ** wrote: I'm hoping to use it not just for in-car navigation, but also data readout. I intend to rig it to display voltage and current in my electric car. I'd like to see someone do that with an iPhone :-P -Steven >> ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Not just a phone
Let's see more crazy/interesting ideas! Steven ** wrote: > That's a crazy/interesting idea. I would not do it real-time though. > Data rates are rather high for my tastes. I could do a daily dump. > But either way, it'd be really boring with my route. The same 2 miles > every day... :-/ > > -Steven > > On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Excellent. I look forward to blogging about your setup. Please keep >> me/us informed. >> >> One fun thing to do: send this data to a web server, and plot it (using >> GPS) on a map showing your current consumption as a function of location? >> >> Steven ** wrote: >>> I'm hoping to use it not just for in-car navigation, but also data >>> readout. I intend to rig it to display voltage and current in my >>> electric car. I'd like to see someone do that with an iPhone :-P >>> >>> -Steven > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Not just a phone
1. Thank you. Crazy/interesting is exactly where innovation comes from, I think 2. Same route every day is good - then you smooth out any aberrations and get a realistic average. A low-pass filter. Steven ** wrote: > That's a crazy/interesting idea. I would not do it real-time though. > Data rates are rather high for my tastes. I could do a daily dump. > But either way, it'd be really boring with my route. The same 2 miles > every day... :-/ > > -Steven > > On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Excellent. I look forward to blogging about your setup. Please keep >> me/us informed. >> >> One fun thing to do: send this data to a web server, and plot it (using >> GPS) on a map showing your current consumption as a function of location? >> >> Steven ** wrote: >>> I'm hoping to use it not just for in-car navigation, but also data >>> readout. I intend to rig it to display voltage and current in my >>> electric car. I'd like to see someone do that with an iPhone :-P >>> >>> -Steven > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Not just a phone
That's a crazy/interesting idea. I would not do it real-time though. Data rates are rather high for my tastes. I could do a daily dump. But either way, it'd be really boring with my route. The same 2 miles every day... :-/ -Steven On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Excellent. I look forward to blogging about your setup. Please keep > me/us informed. > > One fun thing to do: send this data to a web server, and plot it (using > GPS) on a map showing your current consumption as a function of location? > > Steven ** wrote: >> I'm hoping to use it not just for in-car navigation, but also data >> readout. I intend to rig it to display voltage and current in my >> electric car. I'd like to see someone do that with an iPhone :-P >> >> -Steven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Not just a phone
Excellent. I look forward to blogging about your setup. Please keep me/us informed. One fun thing to do: send this data to a web server, and plot it (using GPS) on a map showing your current consumption as a function of location? Steven ** wrote: > I'm hoping to use it not just for in-car navigation, but also data > readout. I intend to rig it to display voltage and current in my > electric car. I'd like to see someone do that with an iPhone :-P > > -Steven > > On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Peter, your email below is the one I've been trying to write for the >> past few months. >> >> Like you, what got me excited about this project was NOT the possibility >> of building better cellphone applications, but rather the possibility of >> creating radically new uses for a general purpose, location aware, >> connected handheld computer. >> >> I'd like a phone that syncs seamlessly with Thunderbird and the rest of >> my Linux workstyle. But what really turns me on is the potential uses >> that I can't even imagine yet. >> >> It is that innovation that I hope to see come out of this community, and >> I hope that in some way I can help make it happen. >> >> Michael >> >> Peter Harrison wrote: >>> I wouldn't focus on the age of the hardware at all. >>> >>> The real question is whether this will be a hardware platform that >>> others will be able to build innovation on top of. With phone companies >>> making available only applications which earn them money you have not >>> really seen the same kind of innovation that we saw in the PC space in >>> the early 90's. >>> >>> It will no doubt be a success in its own right, but what about other >>> ideas... >>> >>> * IP phone over Wifi and integrate with Asterisk IP phone systems - >>> changes to GSM outside the office. >>> * In car navigation system. >>> * Low cost taxi fare system. >>> * Courier driver system that minimizes route time and allows dispatch to >>> communicate. >>> * Robotic platform and robotic control >>> * Hospitals - used by nurses and doctors for prescriptions and >>> observations as low cost tablet. >>> >>> The Neo could open up hundreds of vertical market opportunities that the >>> Telco's currently have no interest in tapping. If you think that the Neo >>> is simply a different kind of iPhone you are missing the point. Many >>> applications may use GPRS, but may not even implement phone >>> functionality. Some may not even use GSM. To me the attraction is that >>> it has been designed from the ground up to run Linux, and there is a >>> dedicated team working on the frameworks that will make delivery of >>> these applications possible. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Openmoko community mailing list >>> community@lists.openmoko.org >>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Not just a phone (was: Re: ancient hardware?)
I'm hoping to use it not just for in-car navigation, but also data readout. I intend to rig it to display voltage and current in my electric car. I'd like to see someone do that with an iPhone :-P -Steven On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Peter, your email below is the one I've been trying to write for the > past few months. > > Like you, what got me excited about this project was NOT the possibility > of building better cellphone applications, but rather the possibility of > creating radically new uses for a general purpose, location aware, > connected handheld computer. > > I'd like a phone that syncs seamlessly with Thunderbird and the rest of > my Linux workstyle. But what really turns me on is the potential uses > that I can't even imagine yet. > > It is that innovation that I hope to see come out of this community, and > I hope that in some way I can help make it happen. > > Michael > > Peter Harrison wrote: >> I wouldn't focus on the age of the hardware at all. >> >> The real question is whether this will be a hardware platform that >> others will be able to build innovation on top of. With phone companies >> making available only applications which earn them money you have not >> really seen the same kind of innovation that we saw in the PC space in >> the early 90's. >> >> It will no doubt be a success in its own right, but what about other >> ideas... >> >> * IP phone over Wifi and integrate with Asterisk IP phone systems - >> changes to GSM outside the office. >> * In car navigation system. >> * Low cost taxi fare system. >> * Courier driver system that minimizes route time and allows dispatch to >> communicate. >> * Robotic platform and robotic control >> * Hospitals - used by nurses and doctors for prescriptions and >> observations as low cost tablet. >> >> The Neo could open up hundreds of vertical market opportunities that the >> Telco's currently have no interest in tapping. If you think that the Neo >> is simply a different kind of iPhone you are missing the point. Many >> applications may use GPRS, but may not even implement phone >> functionality. Some may not even use GSM. To me the attraction is that >> it has been designed from the ground up to run Linux, and there is a >> dedicated team working on the frameworks that will make delivery of >> these applications possible. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Not just a phone (was: Re: ancient hardware?)
Peter, your email below is the one I've been trying to write for the past few months. Like you, what got me excited about this project was NOT the possibility of building better cellphone applications, but rather the possibility of creating radically new uses for a general purpose, location aware, connected handheld computer. I'd like a phone that syncs seamlessly with Thunderbird and the rest of my Linux workstyle. But what really turns me on is the potential uses that I can't even imagine yet. It is that innovation that I hope to see come out of this community, and I hope that in some way I can help make it happen. Michael Peter Harrison wrote: > I wouldn't focus on the age of the hardware at all. > > The real question is whether this will be a hardware platform that > others will be able to build innovation on top of. With phone companies > making available only applications which earn them money you have not > really seen the same kind of innovation that we saw in the PC space in > the early 90's. > > It will no doubt be a success in its own right, but what about other > ideas... > > * IP phone over Wifi and integrate with Asterisk IP phone systems - > changes to GSM outside the office. > * In car navigation system. > * Low cost taxi fare system. > * Courier driver system that minimizes route time and allows dispatch to > communicate. > * Robotic platform and robotic control > * Hospitals - used by nurses and doctors for prescriptions and > observations as low cost tablet. > > The Neo could open up hundreds of vertical market opportunities that the > Telco's currently have no interest in tapping. If you think that the Neo > is simply a different kind of iPhone you are missing the point. Many > applications may use GPRS, but may not even implement phone > functionality. Some may not even use GSM. To me the attraction is that > it has been designed from the ground up to run Linux, and there is a > dedicated team working on the frameworks that will make delivery of > these applications possible. > > > > > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
