Re: OEM market,any thoughts about that??
Am Mo 16. Juni 2008 schrieb Al Johnson: On Sunday 15 June 2008, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: Am Sa 14. Juni 2008 schrieb steve: A big percentage of requests I get are for this, however, they always want some hardware twist. They don't exactly know our hw, I guess (e.g it's not commonly known we have a low-voltage-RS232, I2C, and separate power feed on internal debug-con / testpoints). Also some mods on hw are quite easy to accomplish, either for us or for them. I suggest, you forward their requests to me, and I'll have a look at it and see what's feasible EE-side with reasonable effort/cost. Would be a pity to send them away, just because we didn't check what we can do for them, no? cheers jOERG Is there any documentation available for these interfaces? They may be a good alternative to USB for adding extra buttons, sensors or whatever in alternative cases. The debugcon should be kinda documented in the wiki IIRC. Most of the testpoints are documented right on the board by a printing. But no, I don't think there is a complete comprehensive doc yet. Maybe if I really don't know how to kill my time eventually... ;-) Anyway you're wellcome to ask. I'm not allowed to publish schematics, but I shall answer _every_ reasonable question regarding hardware. cheers jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OEM market,any thoughts about that??
I'm curious about If when released, if a volunteer makes a detailed photoguide of where/what/for what/how about the hardware. Can count with openmoko help? It's recommended to no distribute those kinds of docs? or better do it under openmoko supervision? Only to talk about it, meanwhile the freerunner arrives, ... waiter, another beer, please. --- El mar, 17/6/08, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: De: Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: OEM market,any thoughts about that?? Para: community@lists.openmoko.org CC: Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fecha: martes, 17 junio, 2008 11:51 Am Mo 16. Juni 2008 schrieb Al Johnson: On Sunday 15 June 2008, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: Am Sa 14. Juni 2008 schrieb steve: A big percentage of requests I get are for this, however, they always want some hardware twist. They don't exactly know our hw, I guess (e.g it's not commonly known we have a low-voltage-RS232, I2C, and separate power feed on internal debug-con / testpoints). Also some mods on hw are quite easy to accomplish, either for us or for them. I suggest, you forward their requests to me, and I'll have a look at it and see what's feasible EE-side with reasonable effort/cost. Would be a pity to send them away, just because we didn't check what we can do for them, no? cheers jOERG Is there any documentation available for these interfaces? They may be a good alternative to USB for adding extra buttons, sensors or whatever in alternative cases. The debugcon should be kinda documented in the wiki IIRC. Most of the testpoints are documented right on the board by a printing. But no, I don't think there is a complete comprehensive doc yet. Maybe if I really don't know how to kill my time eventually... ;-) Anyway you're wellcome to ask. I'm not allowed to publish schematics, but I shall answer _every_ reasonable question regarding hardware. cheers jOERG___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __ Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OEM market,any thoughts about that??
On Tuesday 17 June 2008, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: Am Mo 16. Juni 2008 schrieb Al Johnson: On Sunday 15 June 2008, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: Am Sa 14. Juni 2008 schrieb steve: A big percentage of requests I get are for this, however, they always want some hardware twist. They don't exactly know our hw, I guess (e.g it's not commonly known we have a low-voltage-RS232, I2C, and separate power feed on internal debug-con / testpoints). Also some mods on hw are quite easy to accomplish, either for us or for them. I suggest, you forward their requests to me, and I'll have a look at it and see what's feasible EE-side with reasonable effort/cost. Would be a pity to send them away, just because we didn't check what we can do for them, no? cheers jOERG Is there any documentation available for these interfaces? They may be a good alternative to USB for adding extra buttons, sensors or whatever in alternative cases. The debugcon should be kinda documented in the wiki IIRC. Most of the testpoints are documented right on the board by a printing. But no, I don't think there is a complete comprehensive doc yet. Maybe if I really don't know how to kill my time eventually... ;-) Anyway you're wellcome to ask. I'm not allowed to publish schematics, but I shall answer _every_ reasonable question regarding hardware. cheers jOERG Thanks for the pointer. I should have looked harder before asking. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_hardware#Debug_Connector This seems to have the serial, JTAG and i2c on the debug connector, and GSM on testpoints. I'll wait until I've got one to have a look at the printing on the board before asking for more. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OEM market,any thoughts about that??
David Samblas Martinez wrote: I'm curious about If when released, if a volunteer makes a detailed photoguide of where/what/for what/how about the hardware. Can count with openmoko help? that depends on which part of the hw. most of the generic soc is kinda 'public documented' anyways. the gsm modem and the gps in case of gta01 for example will need to stay blackboxes for what i know. It's recommended to no distribute those kinds of docs? or better do it under openmoko supervision? i do not really know what you mean. our policy for hw-informations needs to differ depending on the questions you're asking (due to 3rd parties). so it was much easier and less time consuming to document whats obviously of interest and let the rest open for 'on request'. if you want to do a exact and detailed photostory, draw stuff and do proper documentation and so on, be sure nobody will stop you aslong as you try to keep gps and gsm a 'blackbox'. in the end people without a high-end-lab can't do much with the pure hw of a 'well-hung' gsm chipset. in case you're unsure if one should publish a specific information, just ask. we do not bite Only to talk about it, meanwhile the freerunner arrives, ... waiter, another beer, please. just have fun. be sure we will give you a note before you trip any lines we need to keep ;) kind regards -- Joachim Steiger Openmoko Central Services ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OEM market,any thoughts about that??
On Sunday 15 June 2008, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: Am Sa 14. Juni 2008 schrieb steve: A big percentage of requests I get are for this, however, they always want some hardware twist. They don't exactly know our hw, I guess (e.g it's not commonly known we have a low-voltage-RS232, I2C, and separate power feed on internal debug-con / testpoints). Also some mods on hw are quite easy to accomplish, either for us or for them. I suggest, you forward their requests to me, and I'll have a look at it and see what's feasible EE-side with reasonable effort/cost. Would be a pity to send them away, just because we didn't check what we can do for them, no? cheers jOERG Is there any documentation available for these interfaces? They may be a good alternative to USB for adding extra buttons, sensors or whatever in alternative cases. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: OEM market,any thoughts about that??
A big percentage of requests I get are for this, however, they always want some hardware twist. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joerg Reisenweber Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 7:42 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OEM market,any thoughts about that?? I thought about similar things some time ago. This device makes for a nice embedded controller for industries etc. For sure it will be no big problem to sell without housing, and save a few bucks per device. cheers jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: OEM market,any thoughts about that??
Send me a proposal. This is what I do -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Samblas Martinez Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 4:40 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: OEM market,any thoughts about that?? Only babbling wating to the Neo to come out ;) I work on a PLC manufacturer (well the corp. do a lot of other products but PLC are my little puppet) so I was thinking about the openness of this architecture, the need for processing power and flexibility of engineers making production machines an the need they have of communication , and I for my thoughts I have to confirm it with engineers of that the department about specs. but some PLC we propose the hardware is less powerful and less powerful I was thinking about adding an I/O interfaces (digital or analogical) I have seen it at my work distributed I/O interfaces with ethernet output and with rs232 serial output, both with and open standard protocol of PLC communication modbus, I thing there is some implementation on Linux in lgpl http://copyleft.free.fr/wordpress/index.php/libmodbus/; Think's I don't know, Neo is able to have an rj45 ethernet connection as see it as an standard ethernet network interface in kernel?. I have eared about an usb to rj45 adaptor, has been tested by any one?, serial connection is included in the debug board.and surelly the usb port included in the phone will do the trick with an rs232 usb convertor. but any one has treat it as a serial port?, can be both with a usb hub? neo has a lot of cool thing inside with a not bad price, I imagine than make a deal to openmoko inc to buy some mount naked neos , example buying in 100 packs or so to mount directly in a box after the rom is flashed with the desired configuration (an OM with graphics rippoff and the application compiled ) I have to madurate the part of the Who and how will program this solution: -the oem or - as full solution application included If first approach is taken, then to even think to enter in that market we must emulate in the neo some kind of PLC programing interface as they are used to work with, but even letting the door open to access it directly and they do on C directly but not OEM has this kind of knowledge well a has to been asked and redefined in my mind schema of things but all of this things will be unuseful if the nacked neo hardware part was unable to be posible or more expensive than buy a mounted neo. or any other technical constraint that this marketing guy has ignored. __ Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OEM market,any thoughts about that??
Am Sa 14. Juni 2008 schrieb steve: A big percentage of requests I get are for this, however, they always want some hardware twist. They don't exactly know our hw, I guess (e.g it's not commonly known we have a low-voltage-RS232, I2C, and separate power feed on internal debug-con / testpoints). Also some mods on hw are quite easy to accomplish, either for us or for them. I suggest, you forward their requests to me, and I'll have a look at it and see what's feasible EE-side with reasonable effort/cost. Would be a pity to send them away, just because we didn't check what we can do for them, no? cheers jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OEM market,any thoughts about that??
Only babbling wating to the Neo to come out ;) I work on a PLC manufacturer (well the corp. do a lot of other products but PLC are my little puppet) so I was thinking about the openness of this architecture, the need for processing power and flexibility of engineers making production machines an the need they have of communication , and I for my thoughts I have to confirm it with engineers of that the department about specs. but some PLC we propose the hardware is less powerful and less powerful I was thinking about adding an I/O interfaces (digital or analogical) I have seen it at my work distributed I/O interfaces with ethernet output and with rs232 serial output, both with and open standard protocol of PLC communication modbus, I thing there is some implementation on Linux in lgpl http://copyleft.free.fr/wordpress/index.php/libmodbus/; Think's I don't know, Neo is able to have an rj45 ethernet connection as see it as an standard ethernet network interface in kernel?. I have eared about an usb to rj45 adaptor, has been tested by any one?, serial connection is included in the debug board.and surelly the usb port included in the phone will do the trick with an rs232 usb convertor. but any one has treat it as a serial port?, can be both with a usb hub? neo has a lot of cool thing inside with a not bad price, I imagine than make a deal to openmoko inc to buy some mount naked neos , example buying in 100 packs or so to mount directly in a box after the rom is flashed with the desired configuration (an OM with graphics rippoff and the application compiled ) I have to madurate the part of the Who and how will program this solution: -the oem or - as full solution application included If first approach is taken, then to even think to enter in that market we must emulate in the neo some kind of PLC programing interface as they are used to work with, but even letting the door open to access it directly and they do on C directly but not OEM has this kind of knowledge well a has to been asked and redefined in my mind schema of things but all of this things will be unuseful if the nacked neo hardware part was unable to be posible or more expensive than buy a mounted neo. or any other technical constraint that this marketing guy has ignored. __ Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OEM market,any thoughts about that??
I thought about similar things some time ago. This device makes for a nice embedded controller for industries etc. For sure it will be no big problem to sell without housing, and save a few bucks per device. cheers jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
