Re: OM IDE (was: Re: Common Lisp for OM (Was: Programming OM))
Hi, I want to use it with Ubuntu ;) I'm new to the OM community, so I'm wondering if you are the first one who want to build such thing. Isn't there any existing IDE integration for the OM? Lally Singh schrieb: Nah, I'd been planning on getting haskell up for OM. They already have a basic ARM target for ghc, and there's already a haskell-GTK mapping. But, now that we're talking about development environments, who'd be interested in using an IDE for developing OM? I was thinking about putting together a Netbeans plugin to dev for it. I'm wondering: 1. anyone want to use such a thing? 2. anyone wanna help? I'll be using Mac OS X solaris personally (probably more of the latter), but if someone'd be up for testing it on Linux, I'd be happy to support that too. A nice little basis to create wizards for all kinds of OM applications, plugins, etc. sounds like good community open-source fun. I'd consider this my first big contribution to OM, so I'm happy to do it. Please, no religious wars on Java/NetBeans, etc. Feel free to use the work for your own desires after, but I've been through enough dev cycles on other platforms that I'm feeling pretty firm on this. If you say 'Eclipse', I'm going to traceroute you from a cell modem in my car, and bring a baseball bat with me. On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Oliver Uvman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jesus! I thought I was the only one wanting to program CL on the OM. I've had lots of interesting ideas on how to use a gesture-based interface for writing CL, which could work only thanks to the sparse syntax, and plan to make that some of the first things I program for my OM. Hooray! /Oliver Uvman ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OM IDE
Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just to clarify, NB would run on a desktop computer, and cross compile for OM. I'm imagining a situation not unlike CW for Palm (I had to dev on that a few years ago). It compiles the code and uploads it to the emulator, which you can run the debugger on. Then you upload it to your OM device, and maybe do some more debugging on there. I'll have to see what's required to get the debugger working on both the emulator and the actual dev. It would be nice if the scripts to build and push code off to the emulator and such were written as scripts or small utility programs rather than being part of a Java IDE. Then different interfaces could all use the convenience scripts (e.g. your netbeans IDE, Emacs, folks manually pushing things the hard way). Getting GDB to work on the emulator and device shouldn't be too different; see chapter 17[0][1] of the GDB manual for info on how remote debugging works. It should just be a matter of changing the network address to which the gdb frontend is set to connect. [0] (info (gdb)Remote Debugging) [1] http://sourceware.org/gdb/current/onlinedocs/gdb_18.html#SEC162 -- Corinne: this is why we should have designated bath buddies Corinne: to get places you cant reach because youre slippery and in case you get a lil tooo slippery and crack your head open someone can call the coast guard and save you ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: OM IDE (was: Re: Common Lisp for OM (Was: Programming OM))
Just to clarify, NB would run on a desktop computer, and cross compile for OM. I'm imagining a situation not unlike CW for Palm (I had to dev on that a few years ago). It compiles the code and uploads it to the emulator, which you can run the debugger on. Then you upload it to your OM device, and maybe do some more debugging on there. I'll have to see what's required to get the debugger working on both the emulator and the actual dev. On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Jeremy List [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: div class=moz-text-flowed style=font-family: -moz-fixedBastian Muck ha scritto: Soulnds like a good idea, even if i preferred Eclipse more ;-). I don't have any problems with Eclipse and use it for Java, PHP and C. But if you prefer Netbeans and you want to write the plugin it's over to you. So when it's finished I will install Netbeans, too. Completely agree...! :) Eclipse is alright if you can't type very fast, or if you have a very fast computer, but cutting it down enough to be remotely usable on a freerunner is probably more effort than it would be worth. When I was using it I found I had to disable so much just so it would operate at the speed I write code that I would have been better off just coding with nano. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIIjkBjK3MZIZPmKIRAkWlAJ9IZ/HM3GEL3/p35WyghGQ1eYr+XQCeN2kc XAnt5vrsVjJmQXwCovSPEF4= =ydPg -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OM IDE (was: Re: Common Lisp for OM (Was: Programming OM))
Lally Singh ha scritto: Just to clarify, NB would run on a desktop computer, and cross compile for OM. I'm imagining a situation not unlike CW for Palm (I had to dev on that a few years ago). It compiles the code and uploads it to the emulator, which you can run the debugger on. Then you upload it to your OM device, and maybe do some more debugging on there. I'll have to see what's required to get the debugger working on both the emulator and the actual dev. You're figuring it really cool! :) -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OM IDE (was: Re: Common Lisp for OM (Was: Programming OM))
Nah, I'd been planning on getting haskell up for OM. They already have a basic ARM target for ghc, and there's already a haskell-GTK mapping. But, now that we're talking about development environments, who'd be interested in using an IDE for developing OM? I was thinking about putting together a Netbeans plugin to dev for it. I'm wondering: 1. anyone want to use such a thing? 2. anyone wanna help? I'll be using Mac OS X solaris personally (probably more of the latter), but if someone'd be up for testing it on Linux, I'd be happy to support that too. A nice little basis to create wizards for all kinds of OM applications, plugins, etc. sounds like good community open-source fun. I'd consider this my first big contribution to OM, so I'm happy to do it. Please, no religious wars on Java/NetBeans, etc. Feel free to use the work for your own desires after, but I've been through enough dev cycles on other platforms that I'm feeling pretty firm on this. If you say 'Eclipse', I'm going to traceroute you from a cell modem in my car, and bring a baseball bat with me. On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Oliver Uvman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jesus! I thought I was the only one wanting to program CL on the OM. I've had lots of interesting ideas on how to use a gesture-based interface for writing CL, which could work only thanks to the sparse syntax, and plan to make that some of the first things I program for my OM. Hooray! /Oliver Uvman ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OM IDE (was: Re: Common Lisp for OM (Was: Programming OM))
Hey! I personally really like this idea and I'd be glad to test your plugin :) It'd fit fine into my NetBeans. Finally it'll get a use besides being abused for php-scripting... Testing on Kubuntu Hardy 8.04 Mac OS X 10.5.2 if you want. Greetings, Fabian Off - Ursprüngliche Mail Von: Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Gesendet: Mittwoch, den 7. Mai 2008, 18:08:27 Uhr Betreff: OM IDE (was: Re: Common Lisp for OM (Was: Programming OM)) Nah, I'd been planning on getting haskell up for OM. They already have a basic ARM target for ghc, and there's already a haskell-GTK mapping. But, now that we're talking about development environments, who'd be interested in using an IDE for developing OM? I was thinking about putting together a Netbeans plugin to dev for it. I'm wondering: 1. anyone want to use such a thing? 2. anyone wanna help? I'll be using Mac OS X solaris personally (probably more of the latter), but if someone'd be up for testing it on Linux, I'd be happy to support that too. A nice little basis to create wizards for all kinds of OM applications, plugins, etc. sounds like good community open-source fun. I'd consider this my first big contribution to OM, so I'm happy to do it. Please, no religious wars on Java/NetBeans, etc. Feel free to use the work for your own desires after, but I've been through enough dev cycles on other platforms that I'm feeling pretty firm on this. If you say 'Eclipse', I'm going to traceroute you from a cell modem in my car, and bring a baseball bat with me. On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Oliver Uvman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jesus! I thought I was the only one wanting to program CL on the OM. I've had lots of interesting ideas on how to use a gesture-based interface for writing CL, which could work only thanks to the sparse syntax, and plan to make that some of the first things I program for my OM. Hooray! /Oliver Uvman ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Lesen Sie Ihre E-Mails jetzt einfach von unterwegs. www.yahoo.de/go ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: OM IDE (was: Re: Common Lisp for OM (Was: Programming OM))
What's wrong with Eclipse? It's much more common for embedded IDE's isn't it? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lally Singh Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 12:08 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: OM IDE (was: Re: Common Lisp for OM (Was: Programming OM)) Nah, I'd been planning on getting haskell up for OM. They already have a basic ARM target for ghc, and there's already a haskell-GTK mapping. But, now that we're talking about development environments, who'd be interested in using an IDE for developing OM? I was thinking about putting together a Netbeans plugin to dev for it. I'm wondering: 1. anyone want to use such a thing? 2. anyone wanna help? I'll be using Mac OS X solaris personally (probably more of the latter), but if someone'd be up for testing it on Linux, I'd be happy to support that too. A nice little basis to create wizards for all kinds of OM applications, plugins, etc. sounds like good community open-source fun. I'd consider this my first big contribution to OM, so I'm happy to do it. Please, no religious wars on Java/NetBeans, etc. Feel free to use the work for your own desires after, but I've been through enough dev cycles on other platforms that I'm feeling pretty firm on this. If you say 'Eclipse', I'm going to traceroute you from a cell modem in my car, and bring a baseball bat with me. On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Oliver Uvman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jesus! I thought I was the only one wanting to program CL on the OM. I've had lots of interesting ideas on how to use a gesture-based interface for writing CL, which could work only thanks to the sparse syntax, and plan to make that some of the first things I program for my OM. Hooray! /Oliver Uvman ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OM IDE (was: Re: Common Lisp for OM (Was: Programming OM))
Eclipse has a faster widget toolkit, but it tends to be a lot buggier dumber about a lot of things. You end up spending a lot more time fiddling with it to work right than NB. The tradeoff w/NB is that it tends to do the right thing, but is slower. Definitely so on my mac, but the speed difference on Solaris isn't noticeable on my opteron sun box. Also, it comes with some stuff that you have to get separately (sometimes at cost, or with a annoyware freeware version) for eclipse. UML editing comes to mind. On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Crane, Matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's wrong with Eclipse? It's much more common for embedded IDE's isn't it? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lally Singh Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 12:08 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: OM IDE (was: Re: Common Lisp for OM (Was: Programming OM)) Nah, I'd been planning on getting haskell up for OM. They already have a basic ARM target for ghc, and there's already a haskell-GTK mapping. But, now that we're talking about development environments, who'd be interested in using an IDE for developing OM? I was thinking about putting together a Netbeans plugin to dev for it. I'm wondering: 1. anyone want to use such a thing? 2. anyone wanna help? I'll be using Mac OS X solaris personally (probably more of the latter), but if someone'd be up for testing it on Linux, I'd be happy to support that too. A nice little basis to create wizards for all kinds of OM applications, plugins, etc. sounds like good community open-source fun. I'd consider this my first big contribution to OM, so I'm happy to do it. Please, no religious wars on Java/NetBeans, etc. Feel free to use the work for your own desires after, but I've been through enough dev cycles on other platforms that I'm feeling pretty firm on this. If you say 'Eclipse', I'm going to traceroute you from a cell modem in my car, and bring a baseball bat with me. On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Oliver Uvman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jesus! I thought I was the only one wanting to program CL on the OM. I've had lots of interesting ideas on how to use a gesture-based interface for writing CL, which could work only thanks to the sparse syntax, and plan to make that some of the first things I program for my OM. Hooray! /Oliver Uvman ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OM IDE (was: Re: Common Lisp for OM (Was: Programming OM))
Hmm... KDevelop 4? (it's being reimplemented and is looking super-nifty by now) :) Wednesday 07 May 2008 skrev Lally Singh: Nah, I'd been planning on getting haskell up for OM. They already have a basic ARM target for ghc, and there's already a haskell-GTK mapping. But, now that we're talking about development environments, who'd be interested in using an IDE for developing OM? I was thinking about putting together a Netbeans plugin to dev for it. I'm wondering: 1. anyone want to use such a thing? 2. anyone wanna help? I'll be using Mac OS X solaris personally (probably more of the latter), but if someone'd be up for testing it on Linux, I'd be happy to support that too. A nice little basis to create wizards for all kinds of OM applications, plugins, etc. sounds like good community open-source fun. I'd consider this my first big contribution to OM, so I'm happy to do it. Please, no religious wars on Java/NetBeans, etc. Feel free to use the work for your own desires after, but I've been through enough dev cycles on other platforms that I'm feeling pretty firm on this. If you say 'Eclipse', I'm going to traceroute you from a cell modem in my car, and bring a baseball bat with me. On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Oliver Uvman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jesus! I thought I was the only one wanting to program CL on the OM. I've had lots of interesting ideas on how to use a gesture-based interface for writing CL, which could work only thanks to the sparse syntax, and plan to make that some of the first things I program for my OM. Hooray! /Oliver Uvman ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- ..Dan // Leinir.. http://www.leinir.dk/ Co- existence or no existence - Piet Hein ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OM IDE (was: Re: Common Lisp for OM (Was: Programming OM))
You're welcome to do so :-) I use NB for development for my day job the PhD. I also have no respect for KDevelop. I think it's almost as terrible as Visual Studio. On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm... KDevelop 4? (it's being reimplemented and is looking super-nifty by now) :) Wednesday 07 May 2008 skrev Lally Singh: Nah, I'd been planning on getting haskell up for OM. They already have a basic ARM target for ghc, and there's already a haskell-GTK mapping. But, now that we're talking about development environments, who'd be interested in using an IDE for developing OM? I was thinking about putting together a Netbeans plugin to dev for it. I'm wondering: 1. anyone want to use such a thing? 2. anyone wanna help? I'll be using Mac OS X solaris personally (probably more of the latter), but if someone'd be up for testing it on Linux, I'd be happy to support that too. A nice little basis to create wizards for all kinds of OM applications, plugins, etc. sounds like good community open-source fun. I'd consider this my first big contribution to OM, so I'm happy to do it. Please, no religious wars on Java/NetBeans, etc. Feel free to use the work for your own desires after, but I've been through enough dev cycles on other platforms that I'm feeling pretty firm on this. If you say 'Eclipse', I'm going to traceroute you from a cell modem in my car, and bring a baseball bat with me. On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Oliver Uvman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jesus! I thought I was the only one wanting to program CL on the OM. I've had lots of interesting ideas on how to use a gesture-based interface for writing CL, which could work only thanks to the sparse syntax, and plan to make that some of the first things I program for my OM. Hooray! /Oliver Uvman ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- ..Dan // Leinir.. http://www.leinir.dk/ Co- existence or no existence - Piet Hein ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OM IDE (was: Re: Common Lisp for OM (Was: Programming OM))
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Soulnds like a good idea, even if i preferred Eclipse more ;-). I don't have any problems with Eclipse and use it for Java, PHP and C. But if you prefer Netbeans and you want to write the plugin it's over to you. So when it's finished I will install Netbeans, too. Greetings Bastian Lally Singh schrieb: | Nah, I'd been planning on getting haskell up for OM. They already | have a basic ARM target for ghc, and there's already a haskell-GTK | mapping. | | But, now that we're talking about development environments, who'd be | interested in using an IDE for developing OM? | | I was thinking about putting together a Netbeans plugin to dev for it. | I'm wondering: | 1. anyone want to use such a thing? | 2. anyone wanna help? | | I'll be using Mac OS X solaris personally (probably more of the | latter), but if someone'd be up for testing it on Linux, I'd be happy | to support that too. A nice little basis to create wizards for all | kinds of OM applications, plugins, etc. sounds like good community | open-source fun. | | I'd consider this my first big contribution to OM, so I'm happy to do it. | | Please, no religious wars on Java/NetBeans, etc. Feel free to use the | work for your own desires after, but I've been through enough dev | cycles on other platforms that I'm feeling pretty firm on this. | | If you say 'Eclipse', I'm going to traceroute you from a cell modem in | my car, and bring a baseball bat with me. | | On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Oliver Uvman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Jesus! I thought I was the only one wanting to program CL on the OM. | I've had lots of interesting ideas on how to use a gesture-based | interface for writing CL, which could work only thanks to the sparse | syntax, and plan to make that some of the first things I program for | my OM. Hooray! | | /Oliver Uvman | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | | | | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIIe3wlYiDScJJ+7QRAl9zAJ9e/oSEWTufVxEkIhwzAuCByMBfgQCfVjGW 0unqJs7mhDcg6Rfvk171AnA= =Eosp -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: OM IDE (was: Re: Common Lisp for OM (Was: Programming OM))
Which eclipse version were you using? I think in the past, like 2y ago, it was buggier. I'd say it's pretty solid these days. And it's way faster. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lally Singh Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 1:19 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: OM IDE (was: Re: Common Lisp for OM (Was: Programming OM)) Eclipse has a faster widget toolkit, but it tends to be a lot buggier dumber about a lot of things. You end up spending a lot more time fiddling with it to work right than NB. The tradeoff w/NB is that it tends to do the right thing, but is slower. Definitely so on my mac, but the speed difference on Solaris isn't noticeable on my opteron sun box. Also, it comes with some stuff that you have to get separately (sometimes at cost, or with a annoyware freeware version) for eclipse. UML editing comes to mind. On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Crane, Matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's wrong with Eclipse? It's much more common for embedded IDE's isn't it? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lally Singh Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 12:08 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: OM IDE (was: Re: Common Lisp for OM (Was: Programming OM)) Nah, I'd been planning on getting haskell up for OM. They already have a basic ARM target for ghc, and there's already a haskell-GTK mapping. But, now that we're talking about development environments, who'd be interested in using an IDE for developing OM? I was thinking about putting together a Netbeans plugin to dev for it. I'm wondering: 1. anyone want to use such a thing? 2. anyone wanna help? I'll be using Mac OS X solaris personally (probably more of the latter), but if someone'd be up for testing it on Linux, I'd be happy to support that too. A nice little basis to create wizards for all kinds of OM applications, plugins, etc. sounds like good community open-source fun. I'd consider this my first big contribution to OM, so I'm happy to do it. Please, no religious wars on Java/NetBeans, etc. Feel free to use the work for your own desires after, but I've been through enough dev cycles on other platforms that I'm feeling pretty firm on this. If you say 'Eclipse', I'm going to traceroute you from a cell modem in my car, and bring a baseball bat with me. On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Oliver Uvman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jesus! I thought I was the only one wanting to program CL on the OM. I've had lots of interesting ideas on how to use a gesture-based interface for writing CL, which could work only thanks to the sparse syntax, and plan to make that some of the first things I program for my OM. Hooray! /Oliver Uvman ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OM IDE (was: Re: Common Lisp for OM (Was: Programming OM))
Latest one as of maybe a month ago. NB 6.1 is pretty fast now. What I don't like about eclipse isn't stuff that changes overnight. And again, I don't spend my time compensating for eclipse being stupid. I used to write plugins/compilers for eclipse, it's even worse on the inside. Feel free to use my stuff for an eclipse port! The NB stuff is (AFAIK, haven't started fiddling with it yet) all swing, which you can wrap in SWT and put on eclipse. On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 2:05 PM, Crane, Matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which eclipse version were you using? I think in the past, like 2y ago, it was buggier. I'd say it's pretty solid these days. And it's way faster. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lally Singh Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 1:19 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: OM IDE (was: Re: Common Lisp for OM (Was: Programming OM)) Eclipse has a faster widget toolkit, but it tends to be a lot buggier dumber about a lot of things. You end up spending a lot more time fiddling with it to work right than NB. The tradeoff w/NB is that it tends to do the right thing, but is slower. Definitely so on my mac, but the speed difference on Solaris isn't noticeable on my opteron sun box. Also, it comes with some stuff that you have to get separately (sometimes at cost, or with a annoyware freeware version) for eclipse. UML editing comes to mind. On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Crane, Matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's wrong with Eclipse? It's much more common for embedded IDE's isn't it? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lally Singh Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 12:08 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: OM IDE (was: Re: Common Lisp for OM (Was: Programming OM)) Nah, I'd been planning on getting haskell up for OM. They already have a basic ARM target for ghc, and there's already a haskell-GTK mapping. But, now that we're talking about development environments, who'd be interested in using an IDE for developing OM? I was thinking about putting together a Netbeans plugin to dev for it. I'm wondering: 1. anyone want to use such a thing? 2. anyone wanna help? I'll be using Mac OS X solaris personally (probably more of the latter), but if someone'd be up for testing it on Linux, I'd be happy to support that too. A nice little basis to create wizards for all kinds of OM applications, plugins, etc. sounds like good community open-source fun. I'd consider this my first big contribution to OM, so I'm happy to do it. Please, no religious wars on Java/NetBeans, etc. Feel free to use the work for your own desires after, but I've been through enough dev cycles on other platforms that I'm feeling pretty firm on this. If you say 'Eclipse', I'm going to traceroute you from a cell modem in my car, and bring a baseball bat with me. On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Oliver Uvman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jesus! I thought I was the only one wanting to program CL on the OM. I've had lots of interesting ideas on how to use a gesture-based interface for writing CL, which could work only thanks to the sparse syntax, and plan to make that some of the first things I program for my OM. Hooray! /Oliver Uvman ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OM IDE (was: Re: Common Lisp for OM (Was: Programming OM))
Wednesday 07 May 2008 skrev Lally Singh: You're welcome to do so :-) I use NB for development for my day job the PhD. I also have no respect for KDevelop. I think it's almost as terrible as Visual Studio. Note, please, that i said KDevelop 4, not KDevelop ;) There's a huge difference, you see :) They *know* the old code is dodgy, enough to be unfixable - so they're basically doing it from scratch. Give the new one a shot, is all i can say :) On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm... KDevelop 4? (it's being reimplemented and is looking super-nifty by now) :) Wednesday 07 May 2008 skrev Lally Singh: Nah, I'd been planning on getting haskell up for OM. They already have a basic ARM target for ghc, and there's already a haskell-GTK mapping. But, now that we're talking about development environments, who'd be interested in using an IDE for developing OM? I was thinking about putting together a Netbeans plugin to dev for it. I'm wondering: 1. anyone want to use such a thing? 2. anyone wanna help? I'll be using Mac OS X solaris personally (probably more of the latter), but if someone'd be up for testing it on Linux, I'd be happy to support that too. A nice little basis to create wizards for all kinds of OM applications, plugins, etc. sounds like good community open-source fun. I'd consider this my first big contribution to OM, so I'm happy to do it. Please, no religious wars on Java/NetBeans, etc. Feel free to use the work for your own desires after, but I've been through enough dev cycles on other platforms that I'm feeling pretty firm on this. If you say 'Eclipse', I'm going to traceroute you from a cell modem in my car, and bring a baseball bat with me. On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Oliver Uvman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jesus! I thought I was the only one wanting to program CL on the OM. I've had lots of interesting ideas on how to use a gesture-based interface for writing CL, which could work only thanks to the sparse syntax, and plan to make that some of the first things I program for my OM. Hooray! /Oliver Uvman ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- ..Dan // Leinir.. http://www.leinir.dk/ Co- existence or no existence - Piet Hein ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- ..Dan // Leinir.. http://www.leinir.dk/ Co- existence or no existence - Piet Hein ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: OM IDE (was: Re: Common Lisp for OM (Was: Programming OM))
Ouch.. Kdevelop is a great way to quickly get an autotooled project going, work with a shell, doxygen, cvs, gdb. Yea, it may have a few more stability issues then even eclipse. I mean, if you are expecting perfection, open-source tools just aren't going to appeal. I guess Netbeans was comercially developed and may have a bit more robustness, but lacks the open integration of eclipse and kdev? Visual Studio is terrible, I agree with that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lally Singh Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 1:57 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: OM IDE (was: Re: Common Lisp for OM (Was: Programming OM)) You're welcome to do so :-) I use NB for development for my day job the PhD. I also have no respect for KDevelop. I think it's almost as terrible as Visual Studio. On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm... KDevelop 4? (it's being reimplemented and is looking super-nifty by now) :) Wednesday 07 May 2008 skrev Lally Singh: Nah, I'd been planning on getting haskell up for OM. They already have a basic ARM target for ghc, and there's already a haskell-GTK mapping. But, now that we're talking about development environments, who'd be interested in using an IDE for developing OM? I was thinking about putting together a Netbeans plugin to dev for it. I'm wondering: 1. anyone want to use such a thing? 2. anyone wanna help? I'll be using Mac OS X solaris personally (probably more of the latter), but if someone'd be up for testing it on Linux, I'd be happy to support that too. A nice little basis to create wizards for all kinds of OM applications, plugins, etc. sounds like good community open-source fun. I'd consider this my first big contribution to OM, so I'm happy to do it. Please, no religious wars on Java/NetBeans, etc. Feel free to use the work for your own desires after, but I've been through enough dev cycles on other platforms that I'm feeling pretty firm on this. If you say 'Eclipse', I'm going to traceroute you from a cell modem in my car, and bring a baseball bat with me. On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Oliver Uvman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jesus! I thought I was the only one wanting to program CL on the OM. I've had lots of interesting ideas on how to use a gesture-based interface for writing CL, which could work only thanks to the sparse syntax, and plan to make that some of the first things I program for my OM. Hooray! /Oliver Uvman ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- ..Dan // Leinir.. http://www.leinir.dk/ Co- existence or no existence - Piet Hein ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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I use vim, and it is the best IDE I have ever used:) (My point is that it is impossible to get people to agree on one IDE, since we all have different taste and needs) -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Bastian Muck ha scritto: Soulnds like a good idea, even if i preferred Eclipse more ;-). I don't have any problems with Eclipse and use it for Java, PHP and C. But if you prefer Netbeans and you want to write the plugin it's over to you. So when it's finished I will install Netbeans, too. Completely agree...! :) -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: OM IDE (was: Re: Common Lisp for OM (Was: Programming OM))
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: div class=moz-text-flowed style=font-family: -moz-fixedBastian Muck ha scritto: Soulnds like a good idea, even if i preferred Eclipse more ;-). I don't have any problems with Eclipse and use it for Java, PHP and C. But if you prefer Netbeans and you want to write the plugin it's over to you. So when it's finished I will install Netbeans, too. Completely agree...! :) Eclipse is alright if you can't type very fast, or if you have a very fast computer, but cutting it down enough to be remotely usable on a freerunner is probably more effort than it would be worth. When I was using it I found I had to disable so much just so it would operate at the speed I write code that I would have been better off just coding with nano. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIIjkBjK3MZIZPmKIRAkWlAJ9IZ/HM3GEL3/p35WyghGQ1eYr+XQCeN2kc XAnt5vrsVjJmQXwCovSPEF4= =ydPg -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I don't know how fast your computer is, but i never had performance issues. Even in a VMWare-Image my Eclipse worked very fine (and I don't think I'm a slow hacker). The only thing, which can be slow is the code-completion. But this can be deaktivated easily. Greetings Bastian Jeremy List schrieb: | Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: | div class=moz-text-flowed style=font-family: -moz-fixedBastian | Muck ha scritto: | Soulnds like a good idea, even if i preferred Eclipse more ;-). I | don't have any problems with Eclipse and use it for Java, PHP and C. | But if you prefer Netbeans and you want to write the plugin it's over | to you. So when it's finished I will install Netbeans, too. | Completely agree...! :) | | | Eclipse is alright if you can't type very fast, or if you have a very | fast computer, but cutting it down enough to be remotely usable on a | freerunner is probably more effort than it would be worth. When I was | using it I found I had to disable so much just so it would operate at | the speed I write code that I would have been better off just coding | with nano. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIIkOdlYiDScJJ+7QRAqvGAJ0bHG9U0bHxkBb7UFwwqsK3V1sQggCgqIex NIgQompT3HRZMpxgfRWDL7E= =DKsb -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
