Re: [OT] Re: OpenMoko and LCD TV
On Wednesday 06 May 2009, Stefan Monnier wrote: They run Linux on TVs now?? What kind of processing is a TV doing that needs an OS overseeing it? I think it started with MHEG engines for DVB, and EPG. Next they started adding things like SD and USB with media viewers. This one's got an ethernet port that's currently unused, but some use them for streaming media playback. The problem is the usual one - things that don't quite behave as you want them to, or functions the hardware's capable of but they haven't implemented. Is the firmware's source available somewhere? http://www.am-linux.jp/dl/EUIDTV6 This has source tarballs for a few packages. I've not found the firmware itself available for download. The URL is given along with the text of the GPL and LGPL v2 under the Software Licence menu. It notes that some of the software is GPL, some LGPL and some software developed by third parties and available under certain terms and conditions. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko and LCD TV
roby wrote: sorry for continuing the ot, but.. i always dreamt of a tv adblocker, anybody know of some project in this direction? The easy way is to get a harddisk recorder/receiver, capable of pausing tv. When your movie/show/sport event begins, just pause it. Then, wait about as long as a commercial breaks usually is, before resuming and watching the movie slightly timeshifted. When an ad comes, just fast-forward past it. :-) An additional advantage is that you can pause the tv anytime, if you get a phonecall for example. And of course, recording stuff to watch at a completely different time. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: PS3 Linux [was - Re: OpenMoko and LCD TV]
roguem...@roguewrt.org wrote: On 6/05/2009 6:39 PM, Yorick Moko wrote: have you tried pairing yourn FR to the ps3 to use it as a controller/keyboard/music(or picture)streamer/whatever ? Since I left my FR out in the rain, I haven't done much with it. Surprisingly, it still works ... but the touch area of the shelf doesn't function. So I can boot, take a call but as soon as I load an app I can't go back etc. I've been meaning to throw the debian sd card back in Just turn the display upside down using xrandr, then the shelf is placed in a touch area that works. Or perhaps 90 degrees. Try it out with the terminal. If it works well, add the command to some startup script so it happens automatically. It is still fully useable if you connect a usb mouse (and enable the X cursor, which is easy.) But you probably don't want to use a phone with a mouse. :-) Also consider taking the display apart for cleaning. Water quickly cause corrotion wherever there is electricity. Might be worth a try taking the display off and cleaning with something like alcohol. Alcohol dissolves any water left over, it doesn't conduct electricity, and lefover alcohol evaporate quickly. If you get rid of any trapped water and corroded gunk, then the touchscreen might improve. There is the risk of breaking the thing further, but it seems sufficiently broken alredy. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: PS3 Linux [was - Re: OpenMoko and LCD TV]
2009/5/7 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no: It is still fully useable if you connect a usb mouse (and enable the X cursor, which is easy.) But you probably don't want to use a phone with a mouse. :-) you could always add a trackpad, maybe on the back case? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko and LCD TV
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 2:05 AM, roby hariseldo...@gmail.com wrote: sorry for continuing the ot, but.. i always dreamt of a tv adblocker, anybody know of some project in this direction? http://compression.ru/video/tv_commercial_detector/index_en.html http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/How_to_write_a_new_method_of_commercial_detection KP ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko and LCD TV
Am Mi 6. Mai 2009 schrieb roguem...@roguewrt.org: Although they become redundant pretty quick in our circles, they are great for the non-technical. I just wish they would support some viable way of upgrading/flashing to support more codecs. I don't think I'll be seeing an rs232 port an LCD TV anytime soon :) 32LG3000 http://de.lge.com/products/model/detail/lcdtv_32lg3000.jhtml • 32“ (81cm) Bildschirmdiagonale • Bildschirmgröße 708 x 398mm im 16:9 Format • 1.366 x 768 Pixel Auflösung, 8 bit Farbauflösung • Spitzenhelligkeit 500cd/m² / Kontrastverhältnis 15.000:1 (dynamisch) • Film Mode (3:2 / 2:2 Pull Down), Just Scan, Eye Care, Fresh White • HDMI Deep-Color-Technologie • 1 DVB-T- analoger Hyperband-Tuner mit 8-Tage DVB-T EPG • Eingangssignale: VGA-SXGA, PAL / SECAM / NTSC, SDTV HDTV (480i, 480p, 576i, 576p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p mit 30fps, 60fps, 24fps und 50fps) • Invisible Speaker System • Clear-Voice-Technologie für kristallklaren Sound • SRS TruSurround XT Soundoptimierung • Expert Mode, ISF ready, AV Mode • Eingänge: PC, RS-232C, PC Audio, 2 Scart (1 x RGB), Video, S-Video, 3 HDMI ^^^ +USB (Service) (1.3) mit HDCP und SIMPLINK, Komponente (YUV), Kopfhöreranschluss • Gehäusefarbe: Pianolackdesign • + 20° drehbarer Standfuß • HD ready signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko and LCD TV
On 8/05/2009 1:36 AM, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: Am Mi 6. Mai 2009 schrieb roguem...@roguewrt.org: Although they become redundant pretty quick in our circles, they are great for the non-technical. I just wish they would support some viable way of upgrading/flashing to support more codecs. I don't think I'll be seeing an rs232 port an LCD TV anytime soon :) 32LG3000 http://de.lge.com/products/model/detail/lcdtv_32lg3000.jhtml • 32“ (81cm) Bildschirmdiagonale • Bildschirmgröße 708 x 398mm im 16:9 Format • 1.366 x 768 Pixel Auflösung, 8 bit Farbauflösung • Spitzenhelligkeit 500cd/m² / Kontrastverhältnis 15.000:1 (dynamisch) • Film Mode (3:2 / 2:2 Pull Down), Just Scan, Eye Care, Fresh White • HDMI Deep-Color-Technologie • 1 DVB-T- analoger Hyperband-Tuner mit 8-Tage DVB-T EPG • Eingangssignale: VGA-SXGA, PAL / SECAM / NTSC, SDTV HDTV (480i, 480p, 576i, 576p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p mit 30fps, 60fps, 24fps und 50fps) • Invisible Speaker System • Clear-Voice-Technologie für kristallklaren Sound • SRS TruSurround XT Soundoptimierung • Expert Mode, ISF ready, AV Mode • Eingänge: PC, RS-232C, PC Audio, 2 Scart (1 x RGB), Video, S-Video, 3 HDMI ^^^ +USB (Service) (1.3) mit HDCP und SIMPLINK, Komponente (YUV), Kopfhöreranschluss • Gehäusefarbe: Pianolackdesign • + 20° drehbarer Standfuß • HD ready Well there you go :) ... maybe I just didn't look properly, I probably do have one ;) One of my media players supports upgrading via rs232 but I've yet to find an image and a documented method of upgrade. So despite them existing, I'm not holding my breath for an upgrade path that consumers are able to perform. I imagine this would be brand specific however. Or maybe you just have to take it to an authorised service centre ... or maybe it's just there in case they decide at some point it might be useful to support their consumers. I've yet to put more than a passing thought into it ... but it's good to know some manufacturers are leaving the option open :) Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko and LCD TV
Am Mittwoch, 6. Mai 2009 04:05:56 schrieb roby: sorry for continuing the ot, but.. i always dreamt of a tv adblocker, anybody know of some project in this direction? Just have a look at vdr (video disk recorder) and noad. You can't watch live TV without ad but you are able to record and watch the recording (also timeshift is possible) with no ad. Most time I watch recordings, you save time and if someone disturbs you, just pause and resume later ;-) http://www.cadsoft.de/vdr/ and http://vdr-portal.de -- Erik Geiger ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko and LCD TV
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ...An OM Device which doesn't comply with EMI Standards? :O hands up if you're suprised. hands go behind back Sam Kuper wrote: 2009/5/5 Marcel tan...@googlemail.com Am Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 18:38:42 schrieb Mile Davidovic: Yesterday I accidentally put my OM phone near LCD TV (Samsung). SW on OM is QT Extended and when I press power button (to wake up mobile) TV immediately turn off. I tried again and TV changed channel. So, on my phone this behavioure is repeatable. If the neo had an infrared led I'd have guessed it sends some random signal, but since it does not... Voodoo... °_° Seriously: Electromagnetic fields? GSM? I really have to try that with my TV... There are various standards that define the kinds/amount of EMI that an electrical device must: (1) be able to cope with, and/or (2) not produce in excess of. It sounds like either your OM or your TV might not be fully compliant. Sam ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKAUDuFbVnQRV3OEYRAlwIAJ41CxHJ6C2rPAtcQ4IjoS6k7UyCUQCgqnPg vihdyOM/k+yFp6s7PmyFTYE= =Wf+N -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko and LCD TV
On Wednesday 06 May 2009, The Digital Pioneer wrote: They run Linux on TVs now?? What kind of processing is a TV doing that needs an OS overseeing it? I think it started with MHEG engines for DVB, and EPG. Next they started adding things like SD and USB with media viewers. This one's got an ethernet port that's currently unused, but some use them for streaming media playback. The problem is the usual one - things that don't quite behave as you want them to, or functions the hardware's capable of but they haven't implemented. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: PS3 Linux [was - Re: OpenMoko and LCD TV]
have you tried pairing yourn FR to the ps3 to use it as a controller/keyboard/music(or picture)streamer/whatever ? On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 7:02 AM, roguem...@roguewrt.org wrote: On 6/05/2009 1:53 PM, The Digital Pioneer wrote: Yeah, I know the PS3 has very little RAM, but it's extremely fast RAM is it not? I've also been told 3D isn't working... Do you have any idea if/when it will? And how's the actual system speed? You've got 8 threads available to you, do you not? Two PPU threads, and 6 SPU? I know one SPU is kept disabled, and another is reserved for the PS3 OS. Still, 8 threads at 3.2GHz each should be blazing fast. But that's all theory. To be honest I haven't really got dirty on the command line yet, I was more interested in out-of-the-box functionality in-so-far as the distro's X capabilities were concerned. As I said before, 3D acceleration is not available at this time, this is something I believe they imposed so that PS2 emulation is not possible. It's always possible that it will become available but I've not heard of anything yet. Utilising the vram as swap effectively adds ram. So general performance is fine. It's when you do something gpu intensive that the cpus load up and the system slows down significantly. Openoffice and printing work fine though :) So as for the specifics, I can't say much. I haven't looked at the available CPUs but gkrellm was only reporting 2 at the time. If I get a chance I might delve deeper and revisit this thread but no promises :) I get the impression, though this is speculative, that YDL utilises more of the system. Or maybe it just does it better. Either way the experience is more polished. Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[OT] Re: OpenMoko and LCD TV
They run Linux on TVs now?? What kind of processing is a TV doing that needs an OS overseeing it? I think it started with MHEG engines for DVB, and EPG. Next they started adding things like SD and USB with media viewers. This one's got an ethernet port that's currently unused, but some use them for streaming media playback. The problem is the usual one - things that don't quite behave as you want them to, or functions the hardware's capable of but they haven't implemented. Is the firmware's source available somewhere? Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] Re: OpenMoko and LCD TV
Is the firmware's source available somewhere? http://products.sel.sony.com/linux/source.htm from sony. KP ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: PS3 Linux [was - Re: OpenMoko and LCD TV]
On 6/05/2009 6:39 PM, Yorick Moko wrote: have you tried pairing yourn FR to the ps3 to use it as a controller/keyboard/music(or picture)streamer/whatever ? Since I left my FR out in the rain, I haven't done much with it. Surprisingly, it still works ... but the touch area of the shelf doesn't function. So I can boot, take a call but as soon as I load an app I can't go back etc. I've been meaning to throw the debian sd card back in but haven't had the motivation, although debian may allow me to get around, it's not like it's going to fix the problem with that region of the touchscreen. There's also some wierd, faint, background effects going on. They have that wierd mirror/3d effect happening :) Have to admit I'm rather impressed it even still works at all. Unfortunately I've had to move on, at least until I can figure out another use for it, other than a phone. Not that I can't think of anything but my life is pretty device saturated at the moment and the touchscreen issue limits it's use. Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OpenMoko and LCD TV
Hello, Yesterday I accidentally put my OM phone near LCD TV (Samsung). SW on OM is QT Extended and when I press power button (to wake up mobile) TV immediately turn off. I tried again and TV changed channel. So, on my phone this behavioure is repeatable. Is it normal behavioure? Thanks in advance Mile ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko and LCD TV
Am Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 18:38:42 schrieb Mile Davidovic: Hello, Yesterday I accidentally put my OM phone near LCD TV (Samsung). SW on OM is QT Extended and when I press power button (to wake up mobile) TV immediately turn off. I tried again and TV changed channel. So, on my phone this behavioure is repeatable. If the neo had an infrared led I'd have guessed it sends some random signal, but since it does not... Voodoo... °_° Seriously: Electromagnetic fields? GSM? I really have to try that with my TV... -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko and LCD TV
2009/5/5 Marcel tan...@googlemail.com Am Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 18:38:42 schrieb Mile Davidovic: Yesterday I accidentally put my OM phone near LCD TV (Samsung). SW on OM is QT Extended and when I press power button (to wake up mobile) TV immediately turn off. I tried again and TV changed channel. So, on my phone this behavioure is repeatable. If the neo had an infrared led I'd have guessed it sends some random signal, but since it does not... Voodoo... °_° Seriously: Electromagnetic fields? GSM? I really have to try that with my TV... There are various standards that define the kinds/amount of EMI that an electrical device must: (1) be able to cope with, and/or (2) not produce in excess of. It sounds like either your OM or your TV might not be fully compliant. Sam ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko and LCD TV
I agree. Luckily I have additional Samsung TV (19 inch) and 5 OM phones. I will check with more phones. Regards Mile On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Sam Kuper sam.ku...@uclmail.net wrote: 2009/5/5 Marcel tan...@googlemail.com Am Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 18:38:42 schrieb Mile Davidovic: Yesterday I accidentally put my OM phone near LCD TV (Samsung). SW on OM is QT Extended and when I press power button (to wake up mobile) TV immediately turn off. I tried again and TV changed channel. So, on my phone this behavioure is repeatable. If the neo had an infrared led I'd have guessed it sends some random signal, but since it does not... Voodoo... °_° Seriously: Electromagnetic fields? GSM? I really have to try that with my TV... There are various standards that define the kinds/amount of EMI that an electrical device must: (1) be able to cope with, and/or (2) not produce in excess of. It sounds like either your OM or your TV might not be fully compliant. Sam ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko and LCD TV
On Tuesday 05 May 2009 12:57:17 pm Sam Kuper wrote: There are various standards that define the kinds/amount of EMI that an electrical device must: (1) be able to cope with, and/or (2) not produce in excess of. It sounds like either your OM or your TV might not be fully compliant. It sounds like its his TV I just tried it with my OM and my Toshiba 21 inch LCD and the TV didn't turn off signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko and LCD TV
On Tuesday 05 May 2009, Adam Jimerson wrote: On Tuesday 05 May 2009 12:57:17 pm Sam Kuper wrote: There are various standards that define the kinds/amount of EMI that an electrical device must: (1) be able to cope with, and/or (2) not produce in excess of. It sounds like either your OM or your TV might not be fully compliant. It sounds like its his TV I just tried it with my OM and my Toshiba 21 inch LCD and the TV didn't turn off No interaction with my Panasonic either. On an OT note the Panasonic, along with most recent Sonys, is running linux. Is anyone aware of any custom TV firmware projects? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko and LCD TV
They run Linux on TVs now?? What kind of processing is a TV doing that needs an OS overseeing it? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko and LCD TV
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 3:05 AM, The Digital Pioneer digitalpion...@gmail.com wrote: They run Linux on TVs now?? What kind of processing is a TV doing that needs an OS overseeing it? automatic zapping when boring.. -- roby ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko and LCD TV
sorry for continuing the ot, but.. i always dreamt of a tv adblocker, anybody know of some project in this direction? -- roby ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko and LCD TV
On 6/05/2009 11:05 AM, The Digital Pioneer wrote: They run Linux on TVs now?? What kind of processing is a TV doing that needs an OS overseeing it? I haven't read the previous posts but nearly all late model flat panels I've dealt with have some sort of divx/mpeg4 compatible media player built in with USB access. My 2yr old TCL LCD 40 has one. It works great although some slowdown on intense scenes. I haven't touched it since I got my PS3 :) ... actually, I haven't watched anything not originating from my PS3 since I got it :) Although they become redundant pretty quick in our circles, they are great for the non-technical. I just wish they would support some viable way of upgrading/flashing to support more codecs. I don't think I'll be seeing an rs232 port an LCD TV anytime soon :) Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko and LCD TV
Maybe boot Linux on it from a USB CD drive? :P Do you run Linux on your PS3? I'm thinking about getting one sometime, and I'm trying to determine what my options of Linux are on one. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
PS3 Linux [was - Re: OpenMoko and LCD TV]
On 6/05/2009 12:31 PM, The Digital Pioneer wrote: Maybe boot Linux on it from a USB CD drive? :P That'd be nice but I suspect I'm limited to umass attach/detach, fs indexing and the like, not boot related features. Even if possible, I doubt it would be worth my time with so many other resources available to me. I can get a portable media player with USB/DVD made by maya for AU$25 here. It's about the only gift I give to people these days and makes sharing media with the non-technical all that more accessible :) Do you run Linux on your PS3? I'm thinking about getting one sometime, and I'm trying to determine what my options of Linux are on one. Yeah I do. Xubuntu is way too slow, although once you map the GPU's vram as prioritised swap it's acceptable ... it's a bit of a hack though. YDL functions a lot better primarily due to there distro being more focused on the PS3. 3D acceleration doesn't exist (hence the mapping of vram) and there's a limit of around 250MB of available RAM ... so either option is going to be less than impressive. It's a bit like OM in that respect :) ... you get used to it :) Standard 2D apps function fine, just don't expect perfect streaming from youtube. In saying all that, I've found that running linux, although good, is kind of redundant from the media/connected to TV perspective. It'll be great if we ever get 3D acceleration but as is, I can do it all from the PS3's gameOS. Once you come to grips with the controls ... and hook up a wireless mouse and keyboard, it does pretty much everything. Oh, and you are limited to a 10GB partition for linux :S I run mediatomb from a xen NetBSD domu and have been able to play all files except MKV and VBR encoded AVIs via the PS3's gameOS. The former simply needs to be remuxed with an mpeg2 header (less than a minute) and the later just needs the mp3 stream to be reencoded as CBR (a minute or two per standard episode ... virtualdub batch encoding works a treat here, though I should prolly find a unix alternative). If you run a centralised download server like mldonkey, coupled with mediatomb, you can watch downloads as they arrive, meaning you never have to touch a file to determine if you are going to keep it. I love that. If it wasn't a domu and it was a dedicated media backend, mediatomb allows for on the fly transcoding, though you are presented with some limitations in that scenario. Honestly the best AU$600 I've spent on a computer system, for all that it entails. Possibly the cheapest computer I've bought since the late 90's. I couldn't recommend a PS3 highly enough. I haven't tested this yet but apparently being able to run linux makes it a tax write off aswell from a home office perspective :) I could probably go on but I'll leave at, it's a must have geek accessory. I spend so little time hunched over an actual PC now, it's great! Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: PS3 Linux [was - Re: OpenMoko and LCD TV]
Yeah, I know the PS3 has very little RAM, but it's extremely fast RAM is it not? I've also been told 3D isn't working... Do you have any idea if/when it will? And how's the actual system speed? You've got 8 threads available to you, do you not? Two PPU threads, and 6 SPU? I know one SPU is kept disabled, and another is reserved for the PS3 OS. Still, 8 threads at 3.2GHz each should be blazing fast. But that's all theory. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: PS3 Linux [was - Re: OpenMoko and LCD TV]
On 6/05/2009 1:53 PM, The Digital Pioneer wrote: Yeah, I know the PS3 has very little RAM, but it's extremely fast RAM is it not? I've also been told 3D isn't working... Do you have any idea if/when it will? And how's the actual system speed? You've got 8 threads available to you, do you not? Two PPU threads, and 6 SPU? I know one SPU is kept disabled, and another is reserved for the PS3 OS. Still, 8 threads at 3.2GHz each should be blazing fast. But that's all theory. To be honest I haven't really got dirty on the command line yet, I was more interested in out-of-the-box functionality in-so-far as the distro's X capabilities were concerned. As I said before, 3D acceleration is not available at this time, this is something I believe they imposed so that PS2 emulation is not possible. It's always possible that it will become available but I've not heard of anything yet. Utilising the vram as swap effectively adds ram. So general performance is fine. It's when you do something gpu intensive that the cpus load up and the system slows down significantly. Openoffice and printing work fine though :) So as for the specifics, I can't say much. I haven't looked at the available CPUs but gkrellm was only reporting 2 at the time. If I get a chance I might delve deeper and revisit this thread but no promises :) I get the impression, though this is speculative, that YDL utilises more of the system. Or maybe it just does it better. Either way the experience is more polished. Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
